Slashdot Mirror


The Bloodhound Will Stay On the Ground At 1,000 mph

Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that engineers designing the world's fastest car, the Bloodhound SSC, built to smash the world land speed record of 763 mph set by the Thrust SuperSonic Car in 1997, believe they have a solution to keep the vehicle flat on the ground at 1,000 mph after initial iterations of the car's aerodynamic shape produced dangerous amounts of lift at the vehicle's rear. John Piper, Bloodhound's technical director, said: 'We've had lift as high as 12 tonnes, and when you consider the car is six-and-a-half tonnes at its heaviest — that amount of lift is enough to make the car fly.' The design effort has been aided by project sponsor Intel, who brought immense computing power to bear on the lift problem. Before Intel's intervention, the design team had worked through 11 different 'architectures' in 18 months. The latest modelling work run on Intel's network investigated 55 configurations in eight weeks. By playing with the position and shape of key elements of the car's rear end, the design team found the best way to manage the shockwave passing around and under the vehicle as it goes supersonic. 'At Mach 1.3, we've close to zero lift, which is where we wanted to be,' says Piper. In late 2011, the Bloodhound, powered by a rocket bolted to a Eurofighter-Typhoon jet engine, will mount an assault on the land speed record, driving across a dried up lakebed known as Hakskeen Pan, in the Northern Cape of South Africa."

242 comments

  1. But what happens when... by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Funny

    Righto, time to ask the serious questions! But what happens when they hit 88 miles per hour?

    --
    Moved to http://soylentnews.org/. You are invited to join us too!
    1. Re:But what happens when... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Righto, time to ask the serious questions! But what happens when they hit 88 miles per hour?

      Accelerating or decelerating?

    2. Re:But what happens when... by drb_chimaera · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, in factors of 88mph this thing goes to 11 ;)

    3. Re:But what happens when... by Laser_iCE · · Score: 1

      It's not what happens when it hits 88 ... it's when it drops under 50 that you should be watching.

    4. Re:But what happens when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're gonna see some serious shit..

    5. Re:But what happens when... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You surely meant 880 miles per hour...

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    6. Re:But what happens when... by serialband · · Score: 1

      Righto, time to ask the serious questions! But what happens when they hit 88 miles per hour?

      Nothing without a flux capacitor.

    7. Re:But what happens when... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      The car goes back to a time when people actually cared about the land-speed record for vehicles.

      --
      Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
    8. Re:But what happens when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it an African car or a European car?

  2. Easier solution by Jeoh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why don't they make it drive on a treadmill?

    1. Re:Easier solution by PhongUK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They would have to then engineer a treadmill that can move the belt at 1000MPH, a wind machine that can blow wind at 1000MPH so that the Bloodhounds engines get the intake that it needs. They would then likely have to take care of all the exhaust gasses... ... AND IT WOULDN'T BE AS COOL!

    2. Re:Easier solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that wind machine would still generate the lift, throwing the machine into the ceiling. :)

    3. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since it's a jet engine (pushing against the air), it would be the old "Plane on a treadmill" problem. Meaning it would drive off the treadmill.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    4. Re:Easier solution by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is a high tech solution for that, it's called a "strap".

      --
      which is totally what she said
    5. Re:Easier solution by stiggle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its a jet engine pushing it up towards 1000mph, but its a solid fuelled rocket (liquid oxidiser) that pushes it over.
      A lot of their design towards the end of last year was deciding whether to put the Jet over Rocket (JoR) or Rocket over Jet (RoJ) in the tail of the vehicle.

      They decided on the JoR configuration as it provided better stability & airflow through the jet.

      This project is also about getting kids interested in engineering again, and they're making their data publicly available.

      They've been touring with the full size model of the car visiting towns doing workshops with the school kids about the stuff they're doing and experiments & tests the kids can do themselves. They were kind enough to park the car outside my office when they were in my home town.

    6. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      A rocket engine works like you explained. A jet engine still uses air pressure as a "pillow to push against".

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    7. Re:Easier solution by paiute · · Score: 1

      A rocket engine works like you explained. A jet engine still uses air pressure as a "pillow to push against".

      Interesting engineering question. If the jet engine depends on having air to push against, how can it go past Mach 1? Can air "push" faster than the speed of sound?

      --
      If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
    8. Re:Easier solution by vlm · · Score: 1

      AND IT WOULDN'T BE AS COOL!

      Says the guy whom never got together with his drunken buddies, turned a treadmill up all the way, dropped stuff on the belt, and watched it fly thru the air and crashland. If you prop up the end, a 15 MPH treadmill can launch a pumpkin surprisingly far. Not as far as one of those "pumpkin chucking compressed air gun" things, but still plenty of fun. One empty beer can launched through space is "eh". A couple dozen, simultaneously, is much louder, visually impressive, and funny. Especially if your buddies just consumed them and we're all quite drunken.

      A treadmill with a (mostly) worn out belt is still plenty of fun.

      Turn the speed up from 15 to 1000 MPH, add a 1000 MPH wind machine, make sure you don't run out of beer, and you're pretty much in "high tech redneck" heaven. It would be perfection if only you could add a rocket or jet engine, oh wait, you do have one, in the "car"!

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    9. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Informative

      The air it ejects backwards moves way faster than Mach 1 relatively to the engine. The momentum of ejected material must be higher than momentum of intake material. With rockets, there's no intake material, and it depends strictly on ejecting most of its mass backwards. Speed is a boon but even ejecting the mass slower than the speed of surrounding air (or near-void) gives it thrust.

      With jet, the momentum of air at the intake (which is zero, immobile air) must be lower than exhaust mix ejected backwards, and considering the mass of the jet fuel used is quite low comparing to mass of air used, the mass of the exhaust gas is not significantly higher than mass of intake air, so it must use higher speed to achieve higher momentum and thus thrust - so no matter how fast the plane moves, exhaust gas always moves backwards relative to static air - thus pushes against static air and as result creates a pressure pillow.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    10. Re:Easier solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Every time I have seen the 'plane on a treadmill' problem stated, the way in which it was stated has always been flawed to a point where its ambiguous and unanswerable - there are some ways to state it where the result potentially is that the plane will never leave the treadmill, depending on how you interpret the question.

      And I think that was the entire point of the question posed.

    11. Re:Easier solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't, it works on the same principle as a rocket engine - the only difference being source of propellant mass.

    12. Re:Easier solution by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Because if it vibrates at the right resonant frequency on the treadmill, it might accidentally be transported to the 30th century or to Earth-Two.

      --
      http://alternatives.rzero.com/
    13. Re:Easier solution by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Evidently, yes. Why would air lose its physical properties just because it's moving faster than compression waves travel through it?

      --
      http://alternatives.rzero.com/
    14. Re:Easier solution by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Funny

      thats what she said! /cries

      --
      By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. -- George Carlin
    15. Re:Easier solution by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      no way, engineer a treadmill that drives it a hundred miles an hour, and stack treadmill machines on top of each other as high as you want

    16. Re:Easier solution by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A rocket engine works like you explained. A jet engine still uses air pressure as a "pillow to push against".

      So does a rocket engine, until the air runs out.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    17. Re:Easier solution by jitterman · · Score: 1

      I dunno - from an engineering POV, that'd be really cool to see actually. You not only have to get the car right, but all the other stuff too.

      Also, think about the possibilities as an elaborate evil villain overly-complicated-death-mechanism in a spy movie: "You're going 1k MPH, and yet going nowhere, Mr. Bond. Now I expect you to DIE!"

      --
      For conscience is the wound, and there's naught to staunch it
    18. Re:Easier solution by Unsub · · Score: 1

      ok, how about a really big hamster wheel?

    19. Re:Easier solution by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but I think I really like the sound of the term "pressure pillow." But in plural form.

      --
      For conscience is the wound, and there's naught to staunch it
    20. Re:Easier solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kinda like a "doggie style" engine

    21. Re:Easier solution by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      A rocket engine works like you explained. A jet engine still uses air pressure as a "pillow to push against".

      So does a rocket engine, until the air runs out.

      Ummm - no.
      How does a rocket work in space with no air? Rockets have sealed front-ends, burning their fuel (and typically their on-board oxidizer) to produce thrust. No air needed for most/all.

    22. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      If the exhaust gas is faster than movement of the engine, it creates pressure pillow and pushes it extra. For pure rocket action, the exhaust gas must escape the engine as fast or slower than the engine moves, which, considering it's air-breathing engine, means the intake air must be actually propelled forward.

      Considering it has to propel all the oxidizer as it takes it in (plus inert nitrogen mixed in), it would have to waste enormous amounts of fuel just to propel the inert air.

      An engine traveling at 3 Mach, ejecting exhaust gases at 2 Mach relatively to self (thus propelling them 1Mach forward) would have to eject 2 kg of fuel mass for every 1 kg of intake air it takes in just to break even.

      Consider 1m^2 engine air intake surface, 1Mach = 340.3 m/s; 1m^3 of air = 1.2kg;

      At 3 Mach it would take (3*340.3)m/s * 1m^2 = 1020m^3/s that is 1225kg of air/s on the intake. That is two and a half ton of fuel ejected per second just to break even with the air intake.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    23. Re:Easier solution by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Didn't the Mythbusters do this with a full size plane and a giant piece of canvas?

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    24. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not necessarily - only while exhaust gas speed doesn't exceed the rocket speed. A rocket engine will -still- be propelled when the exhaust gas travels in the same direction as the engine, only slower than the engine. (engine travels at 3 Mach, exhaust speed is 2 Mach, per every kg of fuel ejected the engine gets 2 Mach*kg thrust, despite the ejected gas still traveling at 1 Mach in the same direction as the engine.)

      Of course the question remains whether the "break even" point (where exhaust speed equals rocket speed so exhaust gas remains static relative to surrounding air) can happen in the atmosphere, with air friction, but that's a technological barrier, not a physical one.

      Imagine: a cart with two catapults on it, (total wt. 1kg). First catapult is then loaded with 2kg ball and propels its load to 4m/s. The second one is loaded with 1kg ball and can propel its load by 2m/s.

      Spring the first catapult. The 2kg ball is launched at 2m/s while the cart with its 1kg ball payload starts traveling at 2m/s in the opposite direction.

      Now spring the second catapult: the 1kg ball gets launched at 1m/s backwards relative to the cart speed while the cart accelerates by another 1m/s.

      Now note the second ball travels at 1m/s forward in absolute terms...

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    25. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      even if you depend on compression wave speed, you can still propel solids faster than that using the sail effect - just like a windsurfer can go faster than the wind by going diagonally to it.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    26. Re:Easier solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The problem with your 'science' is that jet engines certainly work at supersonic speeds, up to and including Mach 3, and they don't do it by using up tonnes of fuel per second. You have no idea what you are talking about.

    27. Re:Easier solution by compro01 · · Score: 1

      NASCAR has a treadmill that will do 180MPH.

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/motorsports/4249316.html

      --
      upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
    28. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Sure, and the Moon is made of green cheese because if it was made of rock, the astronauts would crash into it during landing.
      Go away, troll.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    29. Re:Easier solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      This new concept of 'if it disagrees with me, its a troll' is fascinating. Your entire scientific premise is wrong, what about that makes me a troll?

    30. Re:Easier solution by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      1. Ignoring my other posts in this thread, where I explain in detail -how- jet engines work
      2. Disagreeing without providing any arguments other than "because I say so"
      3. Assuming that because one variable matches the reality ("engine at 3 Mach exists") and my claim about why your claim is wrong ("engine works just by ejecting fuel") by showing how unrealistic your claim is ("the fuel usage would be excessive"), it's -my proof- that is wrong, and not -your argument-.

      So, explaining like for an idiot: My argument made an essential assumption: gas ejection speed is lower than the engine speed, so the engine works strictly on rocket principles instead of using exhaust gas compression characteristic to jet engine. With this assumption, the engine can't work without ridiculous fuel usage.

      If you increase the exhaust gas speed to 3.5 Mach though (which means the actual air instead of getting propelled by 1 Mach -with- the engine gets propelled by 0.5 mach -against- it) the numbers turn around and there's completely no reason why this couldn't work, because the ejected air -reduces- fuel usage (adds actual thrust) instead of -increasing- it (serving only as oxidizer for fuel and creating drag).

      And that's how jet engines work - by displacing air through them at speed (relatively) higher than their movement speed, not by ejecting vehicle mass while using air as oxidizer to propel this mass.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    31. Re:Easier solution by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      There is NEVER a potential that the plane wont leave the treadmill. Aircraft use propellers or jet engines to fly, they dont care what the ground is doing.

      I've flown in a plane that had ZERO ground speed. we were doing 70mph airspeed and had lift, but our ground speed was zero mph. WE were in a 70mph headwind.

      Yes it was a small plane, and no we should not have been there in those conditions, we should have landed at a different airport and waited out the weather. BTW, the stall speed of the plane was less than 60mph for the pilots out there.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    32. Re:Easier solution by Deltaspectre · · Score: 1

      Whoosh is the sound of the rocket going over your head

      --
      My UID is prime... is yours?
    33. Re:Easier solution by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      As I said, it depends on how the problem is stated - I have seen variations of the treadmill problem where the way it was stated made it possible for the plane to never leave the ground.

      Your personal example has no bearing here, because even with the treadmill problem the plane will still require ground speed to achieve flight - neither the actions of the treadmill will produce airflow over the wings, which means the aircraft will still need to move forward on the treadmill before becoming airborne.

  3. Roosevelt said: by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    "Speed, more speed". And then: "You ain't seen nothing yet". Ha !

    --
    Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
  4. I'm debating if this thing really counts as a car. by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, you rip the wings off of a fighter jet and make it stay on the ground does it become a car? To really be a "car" I would almost argue it needs to be propelled by the wheels.

    --
    The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
  5. Intel FPU? by dltaylor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who in their right mind would trust an Intel FPU with their life?

    Yeah, it may look like a troll, but some of us remember the FDIV bug.

    Every billion, or so, calculations might be wrong, but, since you never know WHICH is wrong in an application, it must be assumed that they ALL are.

    1. Re:Intel FPU? by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      If there was a bug, it's unlikely the final result would make sense. "It would go fastest with the engine in the ground!", or "it would go fastest with the engine backwards!". With that many calculations, one error would be magnified.

    2. Re:Intel FPU? by u38cg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On stuff like this, you make damned sure your calculations are verifiable. That said, the dynamics of the sound barrier are so complex that I think the chances are their models will not be good enough and some fool will end up as landscape to prove it.

      --
      [FUCK BETA]
    3. Re:Intel FPU? by alanw · · Score: 3, Informative

      If there was a bug, it's unlikely the final result would make sense. "It would go fastest with the engine in the ground!", or "it would go fastest with the engine backwards!". With that many calculations, one error would be magnified.

      A floating point conversion error caused an Ariane 5 rocket to explode back in 1996

      http://www.ima.umn.edu/~arnold/disasters/ariane.html

    4. Re:Intel FPU? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      It's okay, they're checking the calculations with pencil and paper afterwards.

      --
      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    5. Re:Intel FPU? by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      I'd consider that evidence supporting my assertion. A minor bug caused a pretty obvious error in the software's output. In this case the output was rocket motion, in the bloodhound's case the software's output is only the design of the vehicle. A similar bug at the design stage should be just as obvious (e.g. "The wings should be minus 3000 meters long!") and not result in loss of life.

    6. Re:Intel FPU? by Xest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cos when a company fucks up like that, it's not like they ever learn anything from it, and that company remains static for the rest of it's existence in this respect.

      It is doomed to repeat these expensive costly mistakes, and would never do anything to rectify them.

      Seriously, you think a 16 year old bug is in any way relevant to Intel's modern line of chips where processes, architecture, and methods have changed drastically? You realise that AMD wasn't even building their own design chips until 1996 and was just producing reverse engineered Intel clones? It was only 1997 that Cyrix was consumed by VIA too. 16 years is such a long time in the processor world, because things have changed so much in that time, that a bug that old is utterly irrelevant to the quality and trusworthiness or lack of of modern Intel chips.

    7. Re:Intel FPU? by yams · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't think this has anything to do with floating point errors. From your linked article:

      Specifically a 64 bit floating point number relating to the horizontal velocity of the rocket with respect to the platform was converted to a 16 bit signed integer. The number was larger than 32,767, the largest integer storeable in a 16 bit signed integer, and thus the conversion failed.

      I would interpret this as:

      Some moron typecast a double to an int without thinking about allowable ranges

      In other words, it is a coding error.

    8. Re:Intel FPU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It actually an unhandled ecepetion that caused it to explode, not a floating point conversion error. The programmers did not decide to catch that error when they knew it could have happened. Ada already supplies a method (I think) that handle floating point to 16 bit integers.

    9. Re:Intel FPU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it must be assumed that they ALL are.

      Your computer must be wrong, you posted from your computer, therefore your post is also wrong!

  6. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 2

    Aside from the fact that that is a different world record in itself, I would like to point you to TFA which goes to great lengths to explain to complexity of even keeping this thing on the ground, so it's hardly some trivial feat.

  7. What a fracking waste!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I thought we were all waiting for cars that fly. What a terrible waste of money, time and resources!!!

    1. Re:What a fracking waste!!! by PhongUK · · Score: 0

      Yeah, do we actually make any technological gain from this? Is there any new technology at work here?

    2. Re:What a fracking waste!!! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It's being used to get kids excited about science, so the real benefit is whatever those kids possibly produce.

    3. Re:What a fracking waste!!! by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

      just put it in reverse.

  8. And for the rest of the world... by iJusten · · Score: 5, Informative

    763 mph=1 228 km/h
    1000 mph=1609 km/h

    --
    Chronologically late.
    1. Re:And for the rest of the world... by hcpxvi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Those are both wuss units. Real physicists measure speed in metres per second.

    2. Re:And for the rest of the world... by iJusten · · Score: 1

      You mean kilometres per second.

      --
      Chronologically late.
    3. Re:And for the rest of the world... by vikingpower · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or in furlongs per shake ( flg / sh ). 1000 mph = 8,991092 * 10E12 flg / sh

      --
      Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
    4. Re:And for the rest of the world... by selven · · Score: 1
    5. Re:And for the rest of the world... by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's the same unit. kilometers per second is kilo (1000s of) meters per second. The kilo part is an SI prefix, not part of the unit. Just like kilobytes means 1000s of bytes and kilograms means 1000s of grammes.

      Bob

    6. Re:And for the rest of the world... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      1.31 Mach.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    7. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Just like kilobytes means 1000s of bytes

      I just knew somebody would have to open that can of worms.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    8. Re:And for the rest of the world... by polar+red · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just like kilobytes means 1000s of bytes

      WRONG 'bytes' is NOT a SI unit, so the SI naming simply DOES NOT APPLY. a kilobyte is exactly 1024 bytes, not more, not less.

      --
      Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
    9. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 4, Funny

      I;m sure there is an equivalent of Godwin's Law for stories related to science or technology, regarding the correct size of the kilobyte.
      Until someone names it though, remember that Hitler would have supported decimal kilobytes :)

    10. Re:And for the rest of the world... by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      That's not what the IEEE or ISO say ;)

    11. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that grams actually mean 0.001s of kilograms. Kilo is part of the unit there. Why they don't call it a millikilogram escapes me.

    12. Re:And for the rest of the world... by fredrik70 · · Score: 1

      well, they are actually advising against using kilobyte to mean 1024. Nowadays it's supposed to mean 1000 bytes and you're supposed to use kibibyte when you mean 1024. I know, it's horrible

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte

      --
      if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
    13. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Fuck em. I'm sure there is some mention of 1 kilobyte equalling 1024 bytes somewhere in POSIX.

      If not, there should be.

      --
      "linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
    14. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      except for the fact that Mach isnt a fixed number, but rather the speed of sound in the same medium... a small change of humidity/air pressure will change what 1.31 Mach actually means...

      now c on the other hand... (oh and dont start on propagation speed in stuff like water, the photons still do c)

      --
      People, what a bunch of bastards
    15. Re:And for the rest of the world... by prefect42 · · Score: 1

      Well, not quite. I'd agree if it wasn't for an odd anomaly. SI unit for mass is kg, not g. Describe that as anything other than boneheaded.

      --

      jh

    16. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't a kilobyte 1000 bytes, but a kibibyte 1024 bytes?

    17. Re:And for the rest of the world... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      We need to find out who first coined the phrase "There are 10 types of people in the world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't."

      It should be named after that person.

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    18. Re:And for the rest of the world... by russotto · · Score: 1

      Real physicists measure speed as fractions of the speed of light in vacuum.

    19. Re:And for the rest of the world... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      What a wuss. You should have done the conversion for those of us who just don't understand.

      Let's see, how does that go? 30 days has november, except when it falls in september, unless it follows a C, and sometimes a Y, then all bets are off.

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
    20. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Only on USB 2.0 full speed.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    21. Re:And for the rest of the world... by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      parsecs per fortnight

      --
      -
    22. Re:And for the rest of the world... by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Fraid not, and POSIX being an IEEE standard, they'll agree with the IEEE.

  9. So... would a Star Wars Landspeeder not qualify? by popo · · Score: 1

    It seems to me there's something silly about the requirement of a physical connection to the ground. No one would argue that Luke Skywalker's land speeder wasn't a 'land based' vehicle -- and yet (if it existed) it would not qualify for the land-speed record by the rules currently set forth.

    Today's hovercraft are not "airships" per se. I would argue that an 'association' to the ground, and a strict limitation in terms of altitude still qualifies as ground based.

    --
    ------ The best brain training is now totally free : )
  10. Don't they realise what they've done?! by krou · · Score: 5, Funny

    "that amount of lift is enough to make the car fly"

    At last!

    --
    'If Christ had tweeted the sermon on the mount, it might have lasted until nightfall.' - John Perry Barlow
    1. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      Almost anything will fly with a rocket attached to it...

      --
      Why is common sense called that if it's not common?
    2. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially, a rocket.

    3. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by PhongUK · · Score: 0

      Unless the rocket doesn't have enough thrust to lift itself.

    4. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by chromas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then attach another rocket.

    5. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or move to a planet with lower gravity

    6. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      It will, you just need to start off high enough. And it will fly downwards.

      --
      45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B2
    7. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But how do you get there?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    8. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by bkr1_2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not flying. It's falling, with style.

      --
      "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    9. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      attach another rocket?

      --
      People, what a bunch of bastards
    10. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not too hard to make just about any car fly. All you need is enough thrust and the shape will provide the lift. One of the tricks of racing is actually keeping the car on the ground.

      The hard part of making a flying car is making it so it can sustain flight!

    11. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Falling is just flying with a bad glide angle.
      Any skydiver can confirm that.

    12. Re:Don't they realise what they've done?! by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 1

      Flying is just falling and forgetting to hit the ground.

      --
      I have a bad feeling about this...
  11. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by vikingpower · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please do remember that, originally, "car" was any vehicle drawn by animals.

    --
    Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
  12. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by confused+one · · Score: 1

    Since most fighter jets, even wingless, would come off the ground at 1000 mph, the answer is yes.

  13. Re: Real Physicists by confused+one · · Score: 2, Funny

    redshift.

  14. Re:So... would a Star Wars Landspeeder not qualify by RockModeNick · · Score: 1

    Hovercraft, which are neither land nor aircraft, are a 3rd category.

  15. Motor cars weren't by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Motor carriage -> motor car -> car.

    Horse drawn carriages were never called cars AFAIK. Though oddly railway carriages were.

    Then of course there were carts.

    1. Re:Motor cars weren't by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile#Etymology

      The...name car is believed to originate from the Latin word carrus or carrum ("wheeled vehicle"), or the Middle English word carre ("cart") (from Old North French), or karros (a Gallic wagon).

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    2. Re:Motor cars weren't by Ramze · · Score: 1

      car is a general term for any conveyance for passengers or "cargo"... elevator cars, boxcars, cable cars, etc etc... and yes, it was a general term for a cart, chariot, carriage, etc as well. Basically any area for storage or passengers on a vehicle is the "car"

      It's origin is the Latin word for a Celtic / Gallic 2 wheeled wagon which was generally pulled by an animal such as a horse.

      http://www.tfd.com/car

    3. Re:Motor cars weren't by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The...name car is believed to originate from the Latin word carrus or carrum ("wheeled vehicle")...

      Excellent point! You've totally refuted the OP's point about this not being a real car.

      Let me show you a few "cars."
      Here's one!
      Here is another "car"
      These are all really fast cars!

      There's no separate league for cars driven by internal combustion engine, but here is the fastest of those.

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    4. Re:Motor cars weren't by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trying to refute the OP. Funnily enough, I was trying to refute the person I actually replied to, who said:

      "Horse drawn carriages were never called cars"

      and gave an incorrect etymology of the word car.

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    5. Re:Motor cars weren't by dragonbutt · · Score: 0

      here is the fastest of those.

      Hay... Your "car" uses two "aircraft Engines"!!!

      --
      it was like that when I got here.. I wasen't here when that happened... second shift musta done that....
  16. I don't think it does by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only thing it has in common with a car is that it has wheels and runs on the ground. Given its size and weight it would be more accurate to call it a jet powered truck.

    IMO the real land speed record is the wheel driven ones , not the one where you just strap a huge rocket on the back and try and stay on the ground.

    1. Re:I don't think it does by hanabal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If this works it will be travelling across the land with a higher speed than anything that has ever travelled across the land, hence the title "land speed record". I agree with you that the wheel powered one is in some ways more important, but something has to be declared fastest land vehicle and it seems fitting for it to be the fastest vehicle on the land. If Fred Flinstone could run fast enough to make his car faster than any other car in history, would you deny him the land speed record?

    2. Re:I don't think it does by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      his record would be in doubt. look at the video of his record. Notice how the background seems to keep repeating over and over again.

      --
      rewriting history since 2109
    3. Re:I don't think it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh... Just because he's running in circles doesn't make it any less of a feat !

    4. Re:I don't think it does by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      This isn't even on land, though! This thing wants to fly, and some clever engineering trickery is keeping it on the ground.

      The fastest car driven by its wheels is from 1938, and hit 400mph

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    5. Re:I don't think it does by hanabal · · Score: 1

      lol how can it want to fly. Its a bunch of carbon fibre and steel. It doesn't have desires. And as you said, "engineering trickery is keeping on the ground" so you admit that it will be "on the ground" so what's the problem.

    6. Re:I don't think it does by hanabal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      planes fly by using engineering trickery to keep them in the air so why can't a car use engineering trickery to keep it on the ground

    7. Re:I don't think it does by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Everything with velocity and a trajectory wants to fly. Even you in your car. you just don't have enough energy to overcome gravity this deep in the gravity well.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    8. Re:I don't think it does by zebadee · · Score: 1

      Not really the fastest thing to travel on land. There have been unmanned rocket sleds going as fast as mach 8.5.

    9. Re:I don't think it does by hanabal · · Score: 1

      niiice. Imagine the g's on that thing. I looked it up and that thing does hold the land speed record for rail vehicles.

      I suppose the article should specify the record to be broken is the one for vehicles running on wheels. Which the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile views as the official land speed record.

    10. Re:I don't think it does by pthomann · · Score: 1

      If Fred could make his car run faster than any other car in history, I'd like to bet on him in track and field.
      And yes this simple example (and of course horses) does reveal that wheels do not need to be the source of propulsion.

    11. Re:I don't think it does by digitalsolo · · Score: 1

      Why do people keep saying this? Because Wikipedia said so? The Burkland racing team has went faster by 20+ mph than the Railton.

      --
      Just another ignorant American.
  17. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Depends on if it's a fixed aero-surface vehicle or not. F1 cars had variable surface aero-parts for one or two years before they were outright banned. The idea was that you could increase the angle of attack to increase downpressure in the corners, but make the car aerodynamically neutral in the straightaways so you're spending more power on thrust rather than dividing it between thrust and downforce. Depending on how the rules for "world's fastest car" are written, how the aero is done determines how impressive this really is. If John Carmack can write a javascript to control thrust for a vertical takeoff rocket (Armadillo Aerospace), you can design a fast car with dynamic aerosurfaces. Building a fixed aero car that's neutral at 1000mph but won't fly into the air and flip when you hit a rock is a lot harder to do. Check out this hella sweet video of a Le Mans car doing exactly that at 220mph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM4guvo6Ifo
     
    I'll admit this post was an excuse to post that video, but damn if it isn't cool. And that's at a quarter of the speed at which they'll be attempting this. It's not as easy as it looks.

    Here's another cool video of the same thing happening. It's relatively common, even though they design against this exact sort of thing from happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y65oUlBMSUs

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  18. Yeah, right by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    By your definition someone could break the land speed record by just flying a jet fighter at very low level.

    "Today's hovercraft are not "airships" per se"

    No , they're hovercrafts, not cars or ships.

    1. Re:Yeah, right by popo · · Score: 1

      My definition included: "and a strict limitation in terms of altitude".

      A jet fighter would not qualify.

      --
      ------ The best brain training is now totally free : )
    2. Re:Yeah, right by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      only if the jet fighter physically couldnt fly above, say 10 feet. The OP explicitely stated "an 'association' to the ground, and a strict limitation in terms of altitude still qualifies as ground based".

      i would find it rather difficult to classify a verhicle capable of going max 10 feet of the surface as an actual aircraft. Off course hovercraft are a peculiar issue, since they are amphibious.. the would be classifiable as both a 'land vehicle' and a 'sea vehicle'.

      Also, good luck trying to find a jet pilot willing to fly 1000mph 10 feet above groundlevel, im betting the ground effect would make the aerodynamics so unsuitable for the jet, that even if you could pull it off, a single disturbance (any obstacle on the surface impacting airflow) would be enough to send the jet up in the air, into the ground, or where-ever, depending on how the pilot reacts

      --
      People, what a bunch of bastards
    3. Re:Yeah, right by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Then chop part of the wings off so it could only fly using ground effect.

      Somehow I still don't think it could realistically be called a LAND speed record , do you?

    4. Re:Yeah, right by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      A ground effect craft is still an aircraft. Anything kept off the ground by aerodynamic forces is flying though there is the question of whether a helicopter actually flies or just has an ongoing fight with gravity.

      "jet up in the air, into the ground, or where-ever, depending on how the pilot reacts"

      I'm sure fly by wire autopilot could fix that.

  19. Re:that's fucking lame... by RockModeNick · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Yea, ok, it's sure as HELL offtopic. But ALL TRUE>

  20. Tsutomu's aerodynamic cellular automaton by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You all must remember Tsutomu Shimomura, who enjoyed his fifteen minutes of fame as a result of nabbing Ub3r-H4x0r Kevin Mitnick. Tsutomu and I were good friends at Caltech back in the early 80s. We were both "Scurves", or members of Ricketts House.

    Tsutomu never actually got his degree. I have long lost touch with him, so I don't know whether he ever went back to school, but at least for many years he was working as a research physicist with no degree of any sort. Not even a BS. I actually got better grades than he did. The reason Tsutomu didn't do so well is school was that he was spending all his time publishing original research.

    Anyway, Tsutomu got hired away from Caltech by Los Alamos National Laboratory. His first project there was a cellular automaton implemented in hardware. It was a massively parallel computer, with each "processor" implementing the operation of a single cell. The first cellular automaton was the well-known Conway's Game of Life, but there are many other kinds. Some cellular automata are designed to solve specific kinds of problems. In Tsutomu's case, he was simulating supersonic fluid flow, for use in designing fighter planes, reentry vehicles and the like.

    He described his device as "About as expensive as a Cray, but it solves just that one problem at a thousand times the speed of a Cray".

    I don't have a link or a literature reference for you. I don't know whether he published an unclassified paper about it, but if he did it shouldn't be hard to dig up.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
    1. Re:Tsutomu's aerodynamic cellular automaton by imsabbel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My bullshit detector is tingeling quit a bit in your post.

      He hasnt published anything even near that direction.
      He isnt mentioned or documented in even working in that field.

      If he really did a breakthrough that was so top secret they have it still confidential 20+ years later, than why did he tell YOU?

      --
      HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
    2. Re:Tsutomu's aerodynamic cellular automaton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! This is a classic example of an off-topic post. Maybe it is modded interesting because the original article is so damn boring.

    3. Re:Tsutomu's aerodynamic cellular automaton by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>I don't have a link or a literature reference for you. I don't know whether he published an unclassified paper about it, but if he did it shouldn't be hard to dig up.

      Sounds kind of like a transputer. I think they even used it to run Conway's game of life.

    4. Re:Tsutomu's aerodynamic cellular automaton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool Story Bro

  21. 1000mph by JavaBear · · Score: 1

    I guess that at 1000mph, anything can fly.

    1. Re:1000mph by Galik · · Score: 1

      I expect at 1000mph gravity hardly has tome to bother.

    2. Re:1000mph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At 1000 mph I'm not so sure, but at 1609 Km/h it will certainly fly.

  22. British space program failure by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once again it fails to get off the ground.

    --
    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
    1. Re:British space program failure by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      A jet bolted to a rocket? Did Wile E. Cyote design this? I bet even if they break the speed record they still won't catch the Road Runner.

      --
      Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
  23. In all seriousness... by OpenSourced · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody knows the point of this?

    --
    Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
    1. Re:In all seriousness... by Ranzear · · Score: 1

      The real tricky bit is going to be proving that it isn't flying once it gets up to speed.

      --
      Slashdot: Where opinions are just opinions until you have mod points.
    2. Re:In all seriousness... by Brian+the+Bold · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.

      Because records are always increased with time, because it can be done.

      Bloodhound SSC is a project designed to showcase British engineering capabilities and talent and to enthuse and encourage the next generations of engineers who are currently at school and have not yet decided what they want to do for a career.

      Have a look at the project web site, all the information is there.

      http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/

      --
      -- BtB
    3. Re:In all seriousness... by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Funny

      1. Take rocket
      2. Place it horizontal instead of vertical
      3. ???
      4. Profit!

    4. Re:In all seriousness... by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for a commercially available supersonic commuter car. With the Bloodhound, I could get to work in 1.5 minutes.

    5. Re:In all seriousness... by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

      getting to work quickly isn't as important as getting away quickly

    6. Re:In all seriousness... by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

      What was the point of climbing Mount Everest? What's the point of any "biggest" or "fastest" or "strongest" anything in the Guiness book of world records?

      Multiple reasons, pick one or any:
      For the thrill of doing something noone has ever done before
      To bring worldwide attention to your company/firm/etc.
      To obtain a better knowledge of the physics behind things, how to better design things to overcome problems, etc. In general, further understanding.
      To prove that you're better than "the other guys" who have attempted this but failed.
      Etc.

      Just because something doesn't have immediate profitability and instantaneous everyday use *RIGHT NOW* doesn't mean that it won't be of value to others, or in the future. More knowledge is always better.

      --
      Planet Zebeth - Metroid with a twist
    7. Re:In all seriousness... by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Anybody knows the point of this?

      It proves that you can put wheels on a rocket?

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
  24. Hitch Hikers by Galik · · Score: 1

    This just has to be bad news for hitch-hikers.

  25. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But isn't the whole point to break a landspeed record? Surely you could even compete if you fitted a wheelchair with rockets? Or how about a submarine?
    Oh, that would be one hell of a sight, a submarine going across land at 1000mph.

  26. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Yeah I think they should build it as a ground effect aircraft with non-load bearing wheels which reach down to the ground to make it technically a car.

  27. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Those were cool videos.

    --
    The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
  28. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by somersault · · Score: 1

    What they need to build is a car that can do that at the touch of a button and land on all 4 wheels.. kind of like in Speed Racer. Entirely pointless, but it would be fun on a victory lap!

    --
    which is totally what she said
  29. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by somersault · · Score: 1

    that would be one hell of a sight, a submarine going across land at 1000mph.

    My vote is on a Blue Whale. Technically it could also count as the driver.

    --
    which is totally what she said
  30. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by WegianWarrior · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but after changes in the FIA and FIM rules between 1963 - 64, the only thing it needs to qualify as a 'car' for the purpose of making a stab at the absolute land speed record is four wheels or more. Less than four wheels and it's a motorcycle.

    There is however a seperate record for wheel driven cars.

    --
    Everything in the world is controlled by a small, evil group to which, unfortunately, no one you know belongs.
  31. Translation to standard units by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

    What they really mean is that the current land speed record is 1227 Km/h and they're trying to reach 1609 Km/h. Now, that's better.

    1. Re:Translation to standard units by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      What they really mean is that the current land speed record is 1227 Km/h and they're trying to reach 1609 Km/h. Now, that's better.

      No, no, no.

      The current land speed record is 0.000001136 (of the speed of light, so it's a dimensionless number) and they want to get up to 0.00000149

      No units are involved, space and time are the same thing.

    2. Re:Translation to standard units by Limburgher · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it properly be 0.00000149c, thus making c the unit?

      --

      You are not the customer.

    3. Re:Translation to standard units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but c = 1 in sensible units, so it's the same difference.

    4. Re:Translation to standard units by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      c isn't just 1 in sensible units, it really is the number 1. Space and time are the same thing and a speed is really a geometrical measure of the relationship between two inertial reference frames. It would be almost reasonable to describe it as an angle something like tan^-1(v/c), although that is also a bit misleading.

  32. I take it back by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    Damn, thats emberassing. got the wrong person...

    He did work on cellular automatism for fluid dynamics, but that whole field was just a stopgap that never went anywhere.
    The quote you said is pretty telling. 1000 times the speed of a cray isnt really much at all, especially for algorithms poured into custom hardware.

    --
    HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
  33. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I'm am suddenly thinking of the Christopher Moore book called Fluke, or I know why the winged whale sings. Seriously, it will make you look at whales differently from now on.

    --
    The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
  34. A solution, at last. by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

    Finally - no more of those long, boring police chase videotapes coming out of L.A.

    Just "This is Action 4 News enroute to a reported car chase on the I-TABOOOOOM....what the hell was that?"

    --
    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
    1. Re:A solution, at last. by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      you dont need a supersonic car to have some action in a chase..

      just send a fricking F-22 raptor (or A-10 warthog, if supersonic isnt a requirement, but massive gattling cannons are a plus) to stop those runaway prius'

      --
      People, what a bunch of bastards
  35. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Xest · · Score: 1

    Does it even matter?

    Does it have to be a car to break the land speed record, or will any land vehicle do? If it's the latter, then this thing fits the bill and that's what matters.

  36. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember watching an F1 race where just before the finish line the guy in second place does a 360deg flip lands on his wheels then rolls across the finish line still in secind place. I love youtube, took me 5 minutes to find it at 2:13 on this compilation.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  37. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That has nothing to do with the fact that this simply isn't a car. It's a rocket/jet with wheels attached. Just because a plane has wheels doesn't make it a car either. Yes, it's very difficult (to understate the issue) to keep any object traveling 1000 mph on the ground, but that doesn't negate the GP's point. It's not a car. It's not designed like a car would be, it's not propelled like a car would be, and it's not driven like a car would be.

    --
    "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
  38. Holy hell seatbelted to a nuclear warhead by paiute · · Score: 2, Funny

    This story made me think of the phrase "not enough of him left to fill a matchbox".

    --
    If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
    1. Re:Holy hell seatbelted to a nuclear warhead by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine

      you just know a book is good when the used copies cost more than the new ones.

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
  39. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Yaur · · Score: 1

    Its supersonic... so active areo would work different if at all.

  40. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

    >>Depending on how the rules for "world's fastest car" are written, how the aero is done determines how impressive this really is.

    I guess. Even the world's fastest car will be doing between 0 and 10MPH in Los Angeles traffic if it can't fly.

    I just don't see the point to taking an airplane, putting it on wheels, and spending effort trying to get it not to fly when it's doing 1000MPH.

    Why not just get a supersonic fighter and have it tow a little unicycle along the salt flats?

  41. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    It's not a car. It's not designed like a car would be

    And that is precisely why Lamborghini and Ferrari have decided to stay at home for this one, and McLaren also sent in their regrets (they had other plans that day, TBH).

    --
    WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
  42. Back in those days it was by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 1
    This was around 1985. To be able to build a computer for ten million dollars that solved a particularly important problem a thousand times as fast as a ten million dollar general-purpose computer would be a significant achievement.

    As for telling me stuff that ought to have been top secret... you don't know Tsutomu. I wouldn't dream of accusing him of any kind of crime, but he did like to brag about what a cool frood he was.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
  43. The race is on by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are 3 teams racing to break this record. The Brits, the Aussies and a USA/Canada team.

    --
    I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
    1. Re:The race is on by JumboMessiah · · Score: 1

      Too bad the North American Eagle team are having a hard time raising funding. It's interesting to see a J79 powered 104 go up against all this new radical technology. The F-104 was known for it's low altitude speed ability.

      Darryl Greenamyer's Red Baron F-104 did 998 mph (mach 1.30) officially and 1013 mph (mach 1.33) unofficially. At less than 300 ft, back in the '70's. The J79 has to be water/alcohol injected during runs like these, otherwise it will exceed it's maximum inlet operating temps.

  44. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    I wonder how the conversation went after that race... "well, you completely destroyed the car, and broke every bone in your body, but at least we didn't lose the race!!"

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  45. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Vectormatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i would argue that not the design method, but rather the designed purpose would determine what an object is.

    This thing is designed to move accross a hard surface supported by wheels, pretty much making it a car (notice i explicitely said wheels to rule out any funnymen with the 'but but hovercraft is a car' argument).

    It might not be a car in the traditional ford sense of the word, you wont drive your kids to school in it, and it isnt practical for everyday use, but its purpose is still driving accross terain.

    --
    People, what a bunch of bastards
  46. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by bcmm · · Score: 1

    Aside from the fact that that is a different world record in itself

    So are "fastest vehicle with an FM radio" and "fastest blue vehicle". However, they aren't interesting records.

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  47. Re:So... would a Star Wars Landspeeder not qualify by Pollardito · · Score: 1

    the main advantage of land speed records is that they're not top secret

  48. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

    Beginning this year they have re-introduced limited adjustability of the front wing in F1.
    http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2009/0/617.html

    --
    I want to shoot the messenger!
  49. How about some reverse wings? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    I can’t imagine that they didn’t come up with just attaching reverse wings / gigantic spoilers to it.
    If they did, then what’s the reason they don’t use them? Sounds extremely obvious to me...

    --
    Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    1. Re:How about some reverse wings? by stevelinton · · Score: 1

      drag. Plus the fact that at supersonic speeds things don't always do what you expect.

  50. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    Second is losing.

  51. Commander Green? by X10 · · Score: 1

    The pilot of the thing is Commander Green. Isn't he supposed to be in an old computer game?

    --
    no, I don't have a sig
  52. Car? Plane? by Terrasque · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me see.. Rocket engine, uplift much higher than weight, 1000mph...

    That's a jet plane, not a car. Sure, it got better landing wheels than normal, and a bit special body, but it's still a goddamn jet plane.
    If that's a car, we've had flying cars for over 50 years now.

    --
    It's The Golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."
    1. Re:Car? Plane? by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

      That's a jet plane, not a car. Sure, it got better landing wheels than normal, and a bit special body, but it's still a goddamn jet plane. If that's a car, we've had flying cars for over 50 years now.

      I can't dispute your point in any meaningful way, but let's consider that it took 11 iterations of failure before 55 had to be simulated to come up with a handful to actually explore with physical models. It seems to me that, no matter what you call it, people are learning something about aerodynamics. Keeping drag low enough to go that fast while minding the bernoulli effect is a pretty big deal. "Car" means it doesn't fly off the track / ground, because when they do, they do so uncontrollably and someone gets killed. The definition holds meaning, although it's obviously not something you're going to buy from Ford or Honda and actually drive to work, midlife crisis or not.

    2. Re:Car? Plane? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      If someone steals the wheerls and the battery out of it, would that make it a car?

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
  53. two birds one stone by FishTankX · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea to make it stay on the ground.

    If you're splashing money all around, why not mass produce a tube that the car can run in, that can be partially evacuated down to like 20% normal air pressure?

    Since the car is using it's own oxidizer, oxygen being provided to the jet engine won't be as much of an issue. And the total lack of drag on the vehicle should atleast double it's speed.

  54. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Jawn98685 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you rip the wings off of a fighter jet and make it stay on the ground does it become a car?

    Yes. It rolls along on it's wheels and not on wings. It is steered by moving it's (usually front) wheels, not by aerodynamic control surfaces like rudders and ailerons. Indeed, whatever aerodynamic features it has are there primarily to ensure that it stays on the ground, rolling on and being steered by it's wheels.

  55. Yes indeed! That bit is at the front of the car. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, I'll be here all week.

  56. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lambo, Ferrari and McLaren are already slower than the current records. They're not even close. You might as well have thrown in Kia and Tatra in that list.

  57. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Ramze · · Score: 1

    While I agree with you that it could be argued that this vehicle is indeed a "car", it's a valid point that the unconventional design of the vehicle and its limited purpose make it border on becoming not what the average person would consider to be a car in terms of an automobile.

    Keep in mind that streetcars, subway cars, monorail cars, and railroad cars are still "cars" because they also cross terrain, though they require tracks of some sort for their function. (even an elevator car is a "car") This new car requires nearly perfectly flat land, a rocket for propulsion, and very specific aerodynamics to adhere to the ground to reach its top speeds. It likely won't allow for much steering at those speeds, so it will have to mostly go perfectly straight as well.

    At what point does such a specialized craft no longer qualify as a "car"? Technically, I could put a large rocket with a small compartment for a human being at the tip of the rocket on an elevated track and still call it a "car". If there were a requirement that it have wheels, I could put wheels on it that touch the ground, but they'd be rather unnecessary. Is there a rule against tracks? Possibly, but if so, it's arbitrary. At some point, someone defined the rules for qualifications for the fastest land speed record of this type, but I would argue that the spirit of the rules has been skirted long ago. This is really a rocket with wheels that has been crafted to hug the ground so as to stay within the letter of the rules of being a land vehicle.

  58. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An airplane can't do 1000mph on the ground. No point in towing anything because it won't be on the ground. The force required to keep the car on the ground is the problem. You're talking about something you don't understand and completely dismissing it. Watch Fox News much? Yes, I thought so.

  59. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Good point, is a "rocket sled" a car? Train tracks would work, and that's how they used to test some of this stuff.

    --
    The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
  60. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

    If John Carmack can write a javascript

    Totally OT, I know, but just FYI, you don't write "a javascript". It's not "java script", it's javascript. After all, I don't "write a python" or "a perl", do I? No. I write a "python script" or a "perl script". So yes, the correct phrasing is "a javascript script", which sounds a little ridiculous, but is nevertheless correct. Or you could use the less clumsy "a javascript program" or "a javascript application". Or you could rephrase it as "If John Carmack can write software to control thrust for a vertical takeoff rocket in javascript". But please, not "a javascript". It just sounds silly.

  61. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Only in the 2000-2004 F1 series*. Each race in the series assigns points, so a 2nd place (2pts) is far superior to a DNF (fleet+1, or 9pts). You can recover from a 2nd, or even a 3rd place and still win the series, but after one DNF you're just racing due to your sponsorship contract, hoping another team has more DNF or DNS than you do by the end.
     
    *2000-2004 is when Schumacher wiped the floor with the F1 series, pretty much running uncontested in 1st place with the Ferrari team, basically uncontested for five years.

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  62. Hands-free? by ShannaraFan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hopefully it includes SYNC or some other means of hands-free cell phone use. You know, for that ever-important phone call. Can't really consider it a car until the driver can yak away while driving...

    1. Re:Hands-free? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "Hello, this is onstar, can help you?"

      "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!"

      "what was that sir?"

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    2. Re:Hands-free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honk with one hand, cell on other hand...

  63. Racewalking by srussia · · Score: 1

    >>Depending on how the rules for "world's fastest car" are written, how the aero is done determines how impressive this really is.

    I guess. Even the world's fastest car will be doing between 0 and 10MPH in Los Angeles traffic if it can't fly.

    I just don't see the point to taking an airplane, putting it on wheels, and spending effort trying to get it not to fly when it's doing 1000MPH.

    It's every bit as pointless as racewalking, where if both your feet are off the ground at any time you're disqualified.

    --
    Set your phasers on "funky"!
  64. bumper sticker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if they will put "How do you like my driving? Dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT" as their bumper sticker.

  65. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    Let me run down to the ATM Machine and get you some money so you can buy some chill pills :) That's right, I just said ATM Machine, or Automatic Teller Machine Machine. Make sure you xerox the chill pills receipt on the copy machine for my records. Don't cry over language technicalities buddy, here's a kleenex from this tissue box. :)

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  66. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by nedlohs · · Score: 0

    Winning is coming first.

    Everything else is losing.

    It doesn't matter that second place is better than third or last or DNF, you still didn't win. Hence you lost.

  67. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    [citation needed]
     
    There are issues with the sonic boom taking out wing/tail structures on improperly designed planes, but this "car" has neither. There might be some sort of sonic boom ground effect going on, in which case I'd really be interested to see your source info for some in-depth reading.

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  68. Rocket by Zygamorph · · Score: 1

    If it has a rocket engine then isn't it a rocket. If so the "land" speed record has a maximum velocity of whatever escape velocity is while still "touching" the ground.

  69. So what, big deal by Gyorg · · Score: 1

    But do they have a working oscillation overthruster...

  70. Budweiser rocket by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

    Some wiki reading on the subject took me to the other two cars that have broken, or been said to have broken the sound barrier. The ThrustSSC which definitely did, and the budweiser rocket which wasn't verified.

    I had to laugh at the wiki page though for the budweiser rocket:

    No independent authority sanctioned the performance, although United States Air Force radar tracked the vehicle and recorded the speed at 38 mph. This was obviously an error, and is generally considered to represent the movement of a truck in the vicinity.

    Some bias against land vehicles there I guess.

  71. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    I suppose in a black and white world you're right. In competitive races that are part of a series, I'm happy to be in the top third. Very rarely does someone "win" all the races of a series. In these sorts of situations you have a "winner" and someone who comes in "last"; it might sound like little leauge talk, but until the series is over, there aren't really any losers. It's like saying the Yankees "won" the 7th inning, and so the Red Sox "lose" that inning, even though the Red Sox are ahead by 2 points overall (one can dream) and might still win the game.

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  72. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by OrangeCatholic · · Score: 1

    Yeah but what is the point of keeping something on the ground when it wants to become airborne? I don't see much practical value in this, unless you can engineer a train to go this fast.

  73. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you come second in every race of the season then it's very likely you will win the championship.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  74. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

    what's the point of only beating losers?

  75. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

    reindeer is rudundant, too

  76. Wrong rank by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    He's Wing Commander Andy Green. Commander is a British Naval rank, below Captain. Wing commander is an RAF rank.

    It shows you where a First in Maths from Oxford can get you. Lawyers get Aston Martins, bankers get Bentleys, mathematicians get the ultimate in sports cars. Who says GB PLC doesn't have its priorities right?

    --
    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
  77. Umm.. by cheros · · Score: 1

    Intel, Intel, hmm. Why does that remind me of something? Hmm, something with floating point bugs or something, hmm. :-)

    --
    Insert .sig here. Send no money now. Owner may sue, contents will settle. Batteries not included.
  78. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

    No more than "seahorse" (reindeer != deer). :)

  79. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, that's why it is a batmobile, not a batcar.

  80. How about this. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    "If you can read this. . . it didn't work".

  81. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by sconeu · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to enter your PIN number so that its NIC card can send it to the bank.

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  82. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by radish · · Score: 2, Informative

    Umm...I've been watching F1 for a lot of years, and I'm pretty sure you never got more points for a DNF than for a second place. DNF = 0 points (except in very unusual circumstances), 2nd = 8 last year or 18 this year.

    As for a DNF killing your season, that's crap. Button won the championship last year and got 1 DNF, Hamilton did the same the year before. In 2007 Raikkonen won the championship despite 2 DNFs, likewise Alonso in 2006. For a driver to complete every race in the season is pretty rare, particularly if they're actually competitive (and thus driving hard).

    --

    ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  83. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

    It is from Old Norse hreindyri, from hreinn 'reindeer' and dyr 'deer' - hence making reindeer redundant. So, it has nothing to do with reins, even though Santa Claus uses reins on his reindeer!

  84. They could have saved a lot of money... by WeatherGod · · Score: 1

    The design effort has been aided by project sponsor Intel, who brought immense computing power to bear on the lift problem. Before Intel's intervention, the design team had worked through 11 different 'architectures' in 18 months. The latest modelling work run on Intel's network investigated 55 configurations in eight weeks [CC]. By playing with the position and shape of key elements of the car's rear end, the design team found the best way to manage the shockwave passing around and under the vehicle as it goes supersonic.

    Why didn't they just consult Sir Mix-A-Lot?

  85. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

    Huh, no kidding... well, gotta love Slashdot, home of the incredibly obscure factoid. :)

  86. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Accidentally read your sig as

    "And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead roll cage "

  87. I Agree Completely with Microsoft by hduff · · Score: 1

    Open innovation is only possible through the licensing of third party IP rights,

    As long as those rights are licensed through the GPL or a similar license focusing on free-as-in-speech, otherwise innovation is not open, but closed, controlled and restricted which does not lead to significant, rapid innovation.

    --
    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
  88. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

    And I don't even know why they ripped the wings off! I mean, just bolt them on upside down, if you're having trouble staying on the ground. If the wings provide enough lift to keep the plane in the air while supersonic, they should provide enough downforce mounted upside down to keep it on the ground!

    --
    Velociraptor = Distiraptor / Timeraptor
  89. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    Of course, and the guy who came first was a member of the same team I believe.

    But still, he didn't win the race. And the claim made was "at least we didn't lose the race", which is not "we didn't lose the championship" or "we didn't lose all the points".

  90. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    What's the point of driving a car around a track really fast and ending up back where you started?

  91. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by cynyr · · Score: 1

    You should see McLaren's new little scoop thing on this years cars[1]. It allows almost exactly what you are describing, effect wise anyways, as of right now it is worth about 5MPH down a straight way. This isn't so much about changing the cars surfaces, but changing the way air flows over them and making them not produce as much downforce but a lot less drag.

    [1] http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2010/824/727.html

    --
    All of the above was encrypted with a Quad ROT-13 method. Unauthorized decryption is in violation of the DMCA.
  92. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An' the red uns are always fasta' anyhoo!!! :-D

  93. The solution Intel provided... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was to build 6 tonne heatsink on top.

  94. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by IdleTime · · Score: 1

    Well...
    The Bloodhound will come equipped with one 12 cylinder combustion engine and which will drive the wheels, so indeed it is a car, just with additional power plants in the form of a jet engine and a rocket.

    --
    If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
  95. Re:that's fucking lame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If our humour is so bad, then why do you keep stealing our comedy shows ?

  96. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Hadlock · · Score: 1

    Hunh, I guess F1 uses a more points = win system rather than less points, thanks for "point"ing that out :) Are you talking about DNFs not being as bad for drivers series or manufacturer's series? How many throwout races do they have in a series?

    --
    moox. for a new generation.
  97. Mach 1.3 == Really Frakin' Fast by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The important thing isn't that it's precisely 1609 mph - it's that it's a big round number that's unarguably Really Fraking Fast. Also, just being more than Mach 1 is impressive and probably unreliably dangerous as well. And at that speed there's no point in having a Really Loud Stereo, because you're the only car on your block making sonic booms.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  98. Like other "records" by hallux.sinister · · Score: 1

    This guy once tried to convince me that the fastest fixed-wing aircraft was the space shuttle. At that time I'm pretty sure it was the SR-71 Blackbird (and to the best of my knowledge it still is). The reason it's not the space shuttle is that the space shuttle is a SPACE craft, that just happens to have a pair of stubby little wings.
    The same goes for this supposed "car". In order for a car to set a land-speed record, it should have to be powered exclusively by its wheels, and the wheels should in turn be required to be powered by a piston engine, not a jet and certainly not a damned rocket. Anything else would be like having the SR-71 Blackbird going full speed with its landing gear grazing a runway, and calling THAT a land speed record.
    No, it should have to be an actual car, otherwise it's just meaningless.

  99. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by radish · · Score: 1

    I have to say I'm only familiar with F1, so how this differs from (say) Nascar I don't know. But here's how F1 does it:

    The top X positions in each race are awarded points (X was 10 last year, it's more now), with the most going to the winner, a few less to 2nd, and so on down the field. This year there are 24 cars in each race, so a bunch get 0 points - DNFs are usually included in that group (although in some rare cases where you were placing high and drop out right near the end of the race you can end up getting points). The drivers' championship is decided by a simple tally of their points over the season, every race counts. This does mean that the championship is often decided before the final race. There are 12 teams this year (always 2 drivers per team) and the team (aka constructors') championship is decided based on the sum of their drivers' scores. Thus in 2009 Jensen Button won the drivers' title with 95 points total, and his team Brawn also won the constructors' title with a combined total of 172 (his 95 plus Barichello's 77). However that's not always how it pans out - in 2008 Lewis Hamilton (of McLaren) got the drivers' title but his team mate didn't do so great, allowing Ferrari to get the team championship.

    As for the DNF issue, getting 0 in a race obviously makes it harder to win a title - but in F1 even finishing a race is hard so finishing every race in a season just isn't expected, never mind placing high enough to actually score points. In 2009 no driver scored in every race, no driver even finished every race, and many drivers retired from 3 or 4 (or more). If you look at Button last year, he got 6 wins, 3 podiums (2nd or 3rd place), 1 DNF and a bunch of mid pack finishes. That was enough to win the title.

    --

    ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

  100. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    Whoa, that's heavy dude.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  101. Captain obvious said by Phoghat · · Score: 1
    "Up until this point, we've had some big issues. We've had lift as high as 12 tonnes, and when you consider the car is six-and-a-half tonnes at its heaviest - that amount of lift is enough to make the car fly,"

    Well, Duh

    --
    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
  102. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by lastgoodnickname · · Score: 1

    sex and money and stuff

  103. Re:I'm debating if this thing really counts as a c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are raising a fair point. There's a separate record for wheel-driven vehicles, divided into "special" cars and "production" cars, and as you can imagine, they are far slower. But the Land Speed Record (which is the famous one that people tend to remember) just requires a wheeled vehicle that stays on the land. The article is using the term "car" loosely to include "special land vehicles designed to beat the Land Speed Record". :-)

    And of course, one of the biggest challenges - as TFA makes clear - actually is keeping the thing on the ground.