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Auto-Scanning the Names People Choose For Their Wireless APs

MichaelSmith writes "I code on the tram, going to and from work, and I noticed that there are a lot of WiFi access points along the way. So one week I made it my job to write an automatic scanner which runs from a cron job every minute during commuting times. My backup script pushes the new AP names to my web server and you can read it online. It is a mixture of the straightforward, naive and funny, with a few pop culture references along the way. The first column in the file is the number of access points with that name. The second column is the AP name, in brackets to pick up white space." Why can't "Dress Me Slowly" and "Domestic Bliss" just share an AP?

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  1. Best SSID by thewils · · Score: 5, Funny

    The SSID I use is "Honeypot"

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    1. Re:Best SSID by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Informative

          I used to leave mine unencrypted, and change the name occasionally, calling it "BankOfAmerica", "FirstBankOf[mycity]", "FBI", "NSA", "CovertOps4", etc. I was very disappointed that I didn't have people trying to do nefarious things.

          Now I just call it "unreachable", and encrypted, which seems to have the same result. Ok, that's a lie, but I'm not going to post my real SSID here. :)

          I really appreciate all the folks with the Verizon DSL/FiOS routers with the 5 character SSID's, since those are easily crackable. They're nicer than the unencrypted ones, since I'm not competing with other users for the line. :)

          My last drive got over 2,000 in about 20 miles. Most were totally boring, and like 25% were unencrypted.

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    2. Re:Best SSID by quantumplacet · · Score: 5, Informative

      My FIOS wireless router came w/ 64 bit WEP enabled and a little brochure that claimed that cracking wireless networks was "just in theory" and that 64 bit WEP was in "as secure as a wired network".

    3. Re:Best SSID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I named mine "GOATSE", no password, no encryption, but unauthorized connections get redirected automatically... They can't say they weren't warned.

    4. Re:Best SSID by bertoelcon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I use "GetOffMyLawn". It is very fitting for having a large enough yard that you can't see it without being on the lawn or in the house.

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    5. Re:Best SSID by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

      "as secure as a wired network"

      Considering that you can tap wired network just by cutting a cable and connecting it through a hub - your brochure was quite correct.

    6. Re:Best SSID by norletsk · · Score: 2

      For those of us who don't know, what is wrong with a short SSID(i.e. 5 digits) if a strong encryption(WPA) is used?

    7. Re:Best SSID by jandrese · · Score: 4, Informative

      If your switch has a collision light, you might just have a hub.

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    8. Re:Best SSID by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many of the APs I set up use the person's name (or a play on it) with NET added to the end. I'm a little concerned about privacy, but I run the issue past the client. If they are concerned, I turn off the SSID broadcast and/or use whatever name they want.

    9. Re:Best SSID by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't you mean Get off my LAN?

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    10. Re:Best SSID by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

          Look around online a little bit. The 5 character SSID is generated from the MAC, and so is the key. You can extrapolate enough for the SSID and the known parts of the MAC to generate the key.

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    11. Re:Best SSID by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mine is called "NotForYou!".... and then is unsecured. I like to be generous to those who don't do as they're told

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    12. Re:Best SSID by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Funny

      The w in lawn is silent.

    13. Re:Best SSID by fatbuttlarry · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mine's called "Linksys" and the password is "1234", but there must be a problem because it always lists two of them and some times I make changes and it doesn't save.

    14. Re:Best SSID by sirsnork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Along that train of thought I'm betting

      [É*ÙC/îa|bziürÍqe¦>IÏqKÎ:]

      is also the key for this AP

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    15. Re:Best SSID by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

          Oh, I definitely broadcast my SSID. I've run into the stomping into each other problem before. It's a pain to do a site survey of who's around, pick a channel, just to find out that there's other traffic interfering.

          I know mine is receivable for a longer distance than others in the neighborhood. When they installed it, I wasn't here, and they put the AP under a desk, with a metal file cabinet beside it. {sigh}. I moved it up on top of the file cabinet, and that (amazingly enough) fixed a lot of my problems. I'd guess the neighbors got theirs installed somewhere, and they left it exactly where it was placed.

          I've had to change my channel twice where I am now, because the defaults for whatever a neighbor installed were on my channel and ruined my throughput. I may look like a lunatic walking around the house with the laptop listening, but it tells me what channels are being used, and what are free. It's kinda funny, there are three near the house that are all on the same channel. I bet they wonder why their connection is terrible, but it's not mine to fix. That, and I'm not ambitious enough to go find their house and offer to fix it. I did that once in an office building. Someone turned on an AP and stomped on my traffic. I wandered around, found them, went to the receptionist for the company and asked to see whoever was in charge of IT. They were completely oblivious to what I was asking.

      "Who takes care of problems with your computers?"
      "I don't know"
      "Can you please find someone who does know?"
      "Why?"
      "Because your access point is broadcasting over the legal limits for power, and is disrupting service for other occupants of the building."
      "What's an access point?"
      "It's the device that handles wireless network traffic."
      "I don't think we're on a network."
      "Can you go to web sites?"
      "yes"
      "Then you're on a network. Can you find the person who runs it"
      "No one here knows." (without asking or even picking up the phone)

      The conversation went on for a few more minutes, before I just gave up.

      I didn't know positively that they were over the legal limits, but since I had a good signal from their office several floors below, and even a good distance from the building, I figured they were doing something they shouldn't be. At least when I've put high gain antennas on, I look around, make sure I won't interfere with anyone, and use a very narrow beam antenna (i.e., a good parabolic), that doesn't come close to any other buildings. When I went hunting for my own signal in that circumstance, I couldn't even pick it up at ground level standing under the receiving antenna, 20' below it. I've only done that on long point-to-point connections, not as a general AP in an office building.

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    16. Re:Best SSID by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting

          That's what it came with? I guess they're doing better practices since word got out that their encryption was amazingly weak. Too bad they can't go back and fix up all the existing installs.

          I'll use an example one.

      SSID: YVFS1 (just made it up, don't get your hopes up)

      Could have the WEP key of:

      18012DE06E
      or
      1F902DE06E

      That only depends on which series it was. There are two known groupings, and a third that the generator I have doesn't do, but it'd be easy enough to code into it.

      For people I know, I've gone in and changed both their SSID and key, so they're stronger than average. :)

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    17. Re:Best SSID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ACTUALLY ... if you ever run into the hell that is a DUPLEX MISMATCH, you'll be grateful that your SWITCH does in fact have a COLLISION LIGHT.

      Why yes, I am CAPITALIZING random WORDS this evening. It's a RESULT of the prodigious quantity of ALCOHOL I have been drinking.

      THANK YOU. Now go back to scribbling about THINGS you DO NOT FULLY appreciate. This is SLASHDOT, after all. :-)

    18. Re:Best SSID by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it seems that someone wanted to survey the names people use for wireless access points, but was too lazy to do the research, so they put up a Web site with some fake data and posted to Slashdot in the hopes that everyone would post their clever names as comments.

      Guess it worked... ;-)

    19. Re:Best SSID by cskrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't matter what the key is if it's using WEP. That's barely a couple minutes of number crunching for a cheap when it was new 3 years ago laptop. Seriously, it takes longer for a seasoned chain smoker to finish a Marb 72.

      WPA-TKIP has been shown to have exploitable weaknesses so it will likely be cracked and then trivialized soon as well (if it hasn't been already). WAP-AES is reasonably secure at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised if that falls within the next few years as well.

      Encryption is, and always has been, an arms race.

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    20. Re:Best SSID by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, that's a lie, but I'm not going to post my real SSID here. :)

      Why not? Knowing your SSID doesn't help anybody guess your paraphrase.

      BTW, who's your favorite porn star?

    21. Re:Best SSID by ivoras · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a wrong way to do this conversation - you really need to pull something like: "I'm concerned the radiation levels of your wireless router are causing you all to have brain cancer" followed by "innocent" inquiries into if anyone on the office has headaches or problems sleeping, suggesting the AP might be the cause. It's bullshit of course but the only way to get people interested is to make it about *their* asses. If you're good enough (i.e. go through it in a really circumspect way) you may even get them to pay you to investigate and reconfigure the said AP :)

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    22. Re:Best SSID by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Informative

      The encryption used in WEP (RC4) is secure, it's just the implementation that is flawed. The weak IVs allow an attacker to recover the key used, which lets one get onto the network. The attack doesn't break RC4.
      Encryption is an arms race, but the implementation is often the easiest thing to attack.

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  2. MY_NETWORK by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny

    My backup script pushes the new AP names to my web server and you can read it on line.

    You're not hosting your page via one of those access points, are you? I think it just melted.

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  3. already by adairw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    slashdotted

    1. Re:already by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      slashdotted

      No kidding. Posting your personal Web site to Slashdot is a great way to run up some extra bandwidth charges.

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  4. On a lazy Saturday evening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    MichaelSmith /.s his own server.

    1. Re:On a lazy Saturday evening by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't believe it. I extracted the text file from mercurial and put it on disk as a plain text file. I submitted this article before I went out to my son's birthday party. When I got back I wondered why nothing was working.

      Once the smoke clears from my office I will go through the logs and try to work out whether it was the single, short plain text file or the link to the source code which did the damage.

    2. Re:On a lazy Saturday evening by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      erm... "coral cache" rings any bell?

      It does now.

  5. Having RTFA for once... by AccUser · · Score: 5, Funny

    My favourite is the tie fighter: ]-o-[

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    1. Re:Having RTFA for once... by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Informative

      <-o-> TIE Interceptor
      <-oo-> TIE Bomber
      [-o-] Darth Vader's Prototype TIE Fighter (TIE Advanced)

    2. Re:Having RTFA for once... by bertoelcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      8===0o0===8 looks a little like a collapsed x-wing too.

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    3. Re:Having RTFA for once... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sugar tits.

      I don't have her address. Just her mac address and general location.

  6. hi neighbor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I live in a pretty nice little suburb. Full of old people, business owners, and people who generally don't know how shit works., So, all the APs are default except for two. One is "grandma's house", and the other is "midget sex".

    I really want to find out who named theirs midget sex.

    1. Re:hi neighbor! by adolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      I ran across one recently that called itself "BURN. FACIAL. SUCK IT."

      I've been thinking about putting together a cron job on a spare WRT router that periodically switches between various funny or disparaging SSIDs, myself. I might even leave it unencrypted, with DHCP on, with a random goatse appearing instead of net access.

    2. Re:hi neighbor! by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Funny
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    3. Re:hi neighbor! by Rorschach1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I came across one in Hong Kong called "DON'T STEAL MY FUCKING WIFI". And of course, it was unsecured.

    4. Re:hi neighbor! by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wish I had some mod points left. Unfortunately, there's no +1 PureGenius, and the scores only go up to five, while you clearly deserve an eleven.

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    5. Re:hi neighbor! by LiENUS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      block everything but http, do upside downternet and configure squid to limit bandwidth to 56k (or hell be nice give em 128k isdn) speeds. and block downloading .exe .zip .rar .7z yada yada yada

    6. Re:hi neighbor! by Jello+B. · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, it sure takes a lot of genius to hear about something and post it to Slashdot in a relevant discussion. Somebody get this guy a fucking Nobel Prize in physics.

    7. Re:hi neighbor! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps the owner had a mental slip while trying to warn the world not to steal his wife?

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    8. Re:hi neighbor! by audunr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speaking of fucking, there's one here that's called "I can hear you having sex".

  7. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by leromarinvit · · Score: 5, Informative

    Huh? There's nothing illegal about logging the names of Wifi networks. Or at least there shouldn't be, as that would be completely crazy.

    It's aking to noting the names people display publicly next to their doorbells, just easier to do. He didn't connect to any of the networks, just log their names. Nothing wrong with that.

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  8. Didn't see mine... by RayMarron · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sa-Matra

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    1. Re:Didn't see mine... by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Password: Kohr-Ah

  9. Why. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a lot of "cute" AP names around, but mine is what the thing came with. The extent of my interest in that equipment is knowing I've properly secured it, and occasionally looking at the access logs. Beyond that I don't care. I've already thought about it way too much today.

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    1. Re:Why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Besides the fact that assuming someone such as yourself uses WPA/WPA2 PSK, the SSID is seeded with the hash and by using the default one, you leave yourself open to the likes of rainbow table attacks - http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/

    2. Re:Why. by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are a lot of "cute" AP names around, but mine is what the thing came with. The extent of my interest in that equipment is knowing I've properly secured it

      Re-naming an SSID away from stock is part of properly securing it. Unless you're far enough away from your neighbors that your equipment never sees their access points, having a distinct name is part of ensuring that any client you want on your network properly connects to your network, and doesn't occasionally drop to another network (either through software bug or user error.)

    3. Re:Why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He declared that the SSID he uses "is what the thing came with", which is probably a bad choice and definitely bad advice, since it can't be assumed that default SSIDs are not the same for many devices. Some manufacturers uses SSIDs with random character sequences, but many don't. The SSID is indeed used as a seed value in the calculation of the session keys, so not using a standard SSID increases the security.

      Besides, there are other good reasons for choosing a unique SSID: Your laptop won't try to connect to other networks with the same SSID as yours and it makes debugging simpler. There's no need to be cute, witty or offensive, but not changing the default at all is not a good idea.

  10. Neighbors can be pains! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I made my neighbors mad when I started naming my SSIDs with things like STFU, ByteMe and the ever popular F*Off. Somehow they always knew it was me though.

    For a long time I then stopped broadcasting my SSIDs but now I have them broadcasting but changing every few months.

  11. This isn't really your site, is it? by Rix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What'd he ever do to you?

  12. should had it set to Linksys, netgear or other def by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    should had it set to Linksys, netgear or other defaults. They you may of seen more hacks.

  13. answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "dress me slowly" is a retro clothing store on Nicholson St in Fitzroy. The tram route is therefore route 96 in Melbourne Australia..

    What? This wasn't one me those tram spotters quizzes?

    1. Re:answer. by jack2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He wrote a script, he could have carried the laptop closed and in his backpack and it would still have worked. Think about it derp.

    2. Re:answer. by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 5, Funny
      Opening line:

      I code on the tram, going to and from work and I noticed that there are a lot of wifi access points along the way.

      I thought about it.

      Sincerely,
      Derp

    3. Re:answer. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      I live in Clarence street in East Brunswick and I get on at Blythe street. Because its at the end of the line I always get a seat. Going the other way I get on at the WTC in Clarendon street and even if the tram is full at that point it half empties at southern cross station. Going to work I normally sit at the northern end of the tram with an eeepc 701 on my lap. Feel free to say hello if you recognise me. I usually get on at 0730 and ~1745 or so.

  14. Doesnt' netstumbler already do this? by scum-o · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesnt' netstumbler already do this?

    1. Re:Doesnt' netstumbler already do this? by shish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      or for linux, kismet

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  15. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by micksam7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only is it legal, but it's been going on for a long while now.

  16. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by adolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed. It's public information, broadcast on some of the most public of the public airwaves -- the 2.4GHz ISM band. Nothing needs decrypted (therefore, various satellite and terrestrial broadcast rules don't apply, nor the DMCA), and nothing needs accessed (therefore, various computer access rules don't apply). Further, an SSID is too short for a meaningful copyright, and trademark law doesn't apply since it's not used in trade. And, of course, recording and publishing these things is simply recording and publishing a list of facts; a practice which has long been protected by various laws and rulings.

  17. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by deniable · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Better tell SETI. Wouldn't want to piss of the aliens.

  18. Why use cron? by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're missing out on a lot of SSIDs if you're only scanning once a minute. A simple "while true; do iwlist $options >> script1.txt; done" in a few scripts started a second or two apart will help catch more. Maybe set up a cron job to cat and sort -u them together occasionally.

    1. Re:Why use cron? by vrmlguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're missing out on a lot of SSIDs if you're only scanning once a minute. A simple "while true; do iwlist $options >> script1.txt; done" in a few scripts started a second or two apart will help catch more. Maybe set up a cron job to cat and sort -u them together occasionally.

      This is the tram! It doesn't take a different route every day. Just repeat the scan for a few weeks, you'll slowly fill in the gaps.

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  19. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by Xarun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would slashdotting your own website be illegal?

  20. Re:If you know enough to change the name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hiding the SSID decreases your security. When the access point broadcasts the SSID, the clients passively listen for it when they're not in range. When the SSID is hidden, clients broadcast the SSID in search of the wireless LAN wherever they are. This tells attackers about your laptop. There's even a ready-made attack tool for this: the "JaSager" (an implementation of "Karma") will listen for the probe requests and pretend to be your access point. If your WLAN is encrypted, you won't fall into that trap, but anyone who uses MAC address filters and hidden SSID as the only access control mechanisms is instantly MITMd. Even if you can avoid fake access points, your laptop still leaks your SSID and any information that may give (your name? your address? an obscenity?). Don't turn off SSID broadcasts.

  21. Re:Only 29 Named 'Linksys'? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    They are the nation's largest provider of free wifi, with their fierce competitor "dlink" close behind...

  22. Re:Oh, the humanity! by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why do people post their own stuff here, knowing that their site will crash and burn within seconds? Both of the links are dead. Both!

    Free load testing. Seriously you would pay someone to do that ;)

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  23. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by tagno25 · · Score: 4, Informative

    you are not talking to it, it is talking to you

  24. Re:Once in Washington DC... by Gangis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I saw one near a Subway restaurant that said "Jared Is Still Fat"

    Also died laughing.

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  25. Link is not working by anthonyq234 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hello, I hate to tell you this but the link is not working.

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  26. Best Secure SSID by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got rid of of passwords, WPA,WPA2,WEP or whatever crap and just changed my SSID to "$5.99 per minute".

    I check the logs and have never seen a single person connect to my router.

    1. Re:Best Secure SSID by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Funny

      HAHAHA -- awesome. Best social hack I've heard in quite a while. Well played, and thanks for the giggle. :)

    2. Re:Best Secure SSID by Inda · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mine says "£0.99 an hour! First hour free! Unlimited downloads!"

      People are happy giving up their credit card numbers, but probably not happy with the zero service.

      Don't connect to wireless networks you don't own.

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  27. Re:Tram? Get real... by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah because as everyone knows, Australia is in Europe...

  28. Re:If you know enough to change the name... by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Funny

    AC should have said "your're" instead of "your"

    Your're wrong.

  29. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by KingArthur10 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You obviously have no clue how wifi works. The routers are broadcasting their identification codes and names. All your computer has to do is listen. It's the same as if you were just tuning into all the local FM bands and listening to what other people were listening to (as most of those devices are unencrypted). He doesn't have to "ping" the other wifi networks to listen to them. He doesn't hack anything or attempt to decrypt anything; he simply listens to routers shouting out their names. Perfectly legal. If you scan for wifi access points with Windows, you're doing the same thing; the only difference: he wrote the names down and put the names online.

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  30. Re:If you know enough to change the name... by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

    Their both right.

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  31. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's certainly not illegal anyplace that I've ever heard of.

    What about Soviet Russia?

    ... points access you?

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  32. Australia? by RevWaldo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm surprised all the SSIDs aren't "Bruce".

    1. Re:Australia? by Jimbookis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously, you read /. and you don't know your Monty Python?

  33. Here is a mirror, the site is slashdotted and down by agoodm · · Score: 2, Informative
  34. Re:If you know enough to change the name... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hilarious. But I just ran out of mod points...

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  35. Quiet Street by Jeffrey_Walsh+VA · · Score: 5, Funny

    I leave an AP open using my street number as SSID. Its outside my firewall and bandwidth is throttled to 15% of my 15/25 Fios. I check the logs sometimes. Its usually someone who came out on a service call, probably logging the job and gettting directions to the next gig. I saw repeated connections once so I blocked the mac address. Shortly after, my close freinds next door noted to me that thier wireless stopped working. I went over and set up their Fios router for wireless.

  36. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by SilverJets · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except picking up the SSID that is being openly broadcast is not even remotely similar to pinging that same router.

  37. Re:What you are doing is ILLEGAL, IMMORAL, and IIM by tapanitarvainen · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's public information [...] And, of course, recording and publishing these things is simply recording and publishing a list of facts; a practice which has long been protected by various laws and rulings.

    Not everywhere. In many European jurisdictions at least it is not at all obvious that publishing a list made of publicly available information is legal. In particular, if it is considered "personal information" about people, creating a new compilation of it falls under various personal data protection laws - even if every individual piece of information in there is publicly available somewhere.

    I don't know of any place that'd considered AP SIDs to be personal information in that sense, though - but it wouldn't surprise me either.

  38. Re:Melbourne. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Getting the use of their TLD must have been part of the deal for the army going in to rescue them from Indonesia. Along with the oil of course.

    The .tl domain names are cheap and convenient for me.

  39. So... WTF is "Free Public WiFi" really doing? by MoxFulder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I see these "Free Public WiFi" ESSIDs all over the place in public areas, such as airports. They never work. They're usually ad-hoc networks.

    I assumed for a while that they're symptoms/carriers of some kind of malware, but didn't really worry about it since I don't use Windows.

    I just read this article which has a slightly crazy but just-maybe-plausible theory to explain them. They think that it's a weird, propagating out-of-control Windows XP feature, which makes every network to which an XP computer connects propagate its name as an ad-hoc network. And then when somebody else tries to connect because of the enticing name, they keep the ESSID alive for another minute since it's an ad-hoc network, and this continues ad infinitum. So the whole thing is nothing but a long-lasting "echo" of a forgotten network that keeps alive in heavily trafficked public areas. The whole idea seems nuts. Dumber than dumb. Dumber than Microsoft even.

    But I haven't heard of any better explanation for the "Free Public Wifi" phenomenon. Anyone else???

    1. Re:So... WTF is "Free Public WiFi" really doing? by bemymonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about evil people sitting at airports with laptops, setting up ad-hoc networks and trying to steal credit card numbers from unsuspecting travellers? Wasn't that actually on Slashdot a few months back?

      Rule of thumb: Don't log onto ad hoc networks unless you know who's running them...

    2. Re:So... WTF is "Free Public WiFi" really doing? by Techman83 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think it was malicious and can confirm this was a significant issue at my work place. There was a hotfix that prevented it from happening and it was definitely addressed in SP3. Microsoft Windows Silent Adhoc Network Advertisement

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i cat
      Damn, my RAM is full of cats. MEOW!!
  40. Re:If you know enough to change the name... by speederaser · · Score: 2, Informative

    When the SSID is hidden, clients broadcast the SSID in search of the wireless LAN wherever they are. This tells attackers about your laptop.

    Many people's laptops do this regardless of the setting on the access point. This is the default in XP. You have to make sure the "Connect even if the network is not broadcasting" box is unchecked to turn off client broadcasting. In Vista and I believe W7 this is off by default.