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Lawmakers Ask For FTC Investigation of Google Buzz
angry tapir writes "Eleven US lawmakers have asked the FTC to investigate Google's launch of its Buzz social-networking product for breaches of consumer privacy. The representatives — six Democrats and five Republicans from the House Energy and Commerce Committee — noted in their letter that Google's roll-out of Buzz exposed private information of users to Google's Gmail service to outsiders. In one case, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shared her contact list in Gmail with a person who has a 'sexually charged' username, the lawmakers said in the letter."
Think of the children! We can't let them talk to people with sexually charged usernames! ESPECIALLY NOT OTHER CHILDREN!
"In one case, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shared her contact list in Gmail with a person who has a 'sexually charged' username, the lawmakers said in the letter."
In one case, the parents of a 9 year old girl weren't paying attention, like they should have been, while their daughter surfed the web and they were upset at their lack of parenting skills and decided it imperative that they defer to the Federal Government to help them solve this problem.
a "sexually charged" username
What, like Dick Dynamo?
Why are politicians so evil? It's one thing to say that it could be a privacy issue: look into that. But when they start getting in "sexually charged" terminology its like saying the email name was "RepublicanDick." It's fear mongering and grandstanding, nothing more.
Shh.
Please! Won't somebody think of the children surfing the internet without adult supervision! Gmail only added people that you had repeated email correspondence with, which means that the 9 year old girl was perfectly capable of picking up sexual predators on her own. Also? Putting any kind of responsibility on the parents is clearly across the line.
...because Microsoft isn't capable of even attempting something like Buzz.
In all seriousness, though, between Google's handling of the Buzz launch, Facebook's handling of privacy settings, etc., it's pretty clear that the users of these services are the product, not the services themselves.
Could you elaborate on that? What other companies are you talking about?
I think it's a joke name, sir, like 'Sillius Soddus' or 'Bigus Dickus'.
... I know.
But I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome named 'Bigus Dickus'!
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If you suddenly discovered a way of phrasing your requests to your boss that always got you what you wanted, wouldn't you always try to phrase things that way?
We are the bosses of the politicians, so when the politicians realize that they can get whatever they want if they wave the for-the-children flag, I think we can easily understand why they do it so often.
If I were to fight the "dangers" an unsupervised 9 year old can find on the web I'd clearly start by how he uses a particular function in a particular website. /sarcasm
It's frightening to think that someone can publicly say such idiocies and journalists (or whoever hears him first) won't directly laugh in his face and call him names.
I think he's probably a Chinese government astroturfer. They've been attacking Google ferociously on the web for the past few weeks.
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Why did a 9 year old girl have contact with someone with a "sexually charged username?" I don't recall Google Buzz automatically setting me up with every Tom, Dick and Harry that was in my address book (which itself seems to be generated by the contact info of the people you knowingly contact)...
The cellphone thing I get. "I'm lost, bad man following me," understood. But an e-mail address? Doesn't fly. It's not like e-mail is some great technological novelty, the quicker a child is exposed to it, works with it, develops skills with it, the better s/he will do later on in school. Use of e-mail is monkey-hammer dead simple, is "mastered" in twenty minutes. And the only "social networks" the kid needs to be on is the one that ensures she gets a good seat on the school bus or cafeteria table.
Somehow I think technology ultimately goes against privacy. Which deserves some thinking. People are entitled to privacy, the right to be left alone, but perhaps "right to privacy" is often confused, or abused, with a right to isolation, of self or others, to maintain ignorance of facts or events, to secrecy, or of doing illegal-immoral things out of sight. For example, many large properties have private slaves, but out of sight, where nobody can see. They have a right to their privacy. Technology's role is more complicated. It basically follows human will. But so far, it generally makes information go around faster, easier, wider. Any information, desirable or not. It can be used to block information too, but it tends to not work as well, perhaps because that's basically not how people work, as well. People are connected to each other, even when they are physically alone, society is ultimately a link, few people are really isolated. Breaking the privacy of people in power, on the things they do in secret with their authority, that influences their society negatively, might be in the interest of society, but not in that of their privacy. The privacy of individual citizens is, on the other hand, more and more eroded, and although it remains a right, it appears to be a right that is merely on paper, as increasingly privacy accompanies power.
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I hereby request all you 9 year old girls to add me to your foes list.
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Let's say I have some friends who despite my best efforts still do drugs. They have destructive tendencies. I try and help them out, steer them away from bad choices and towards good choices.
Do I really want someone who've I've emailed about a job to suddenly know that I am associated with people who have active drug problems?
Better yet, why should anyone else have access to the list of people I communicating with? People seem to be ignoring the privacy issue here and focusing on the 9 year old and the Google can do no harm bullshit.
> In one case, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shared her contact
> list in Gmail with a person who has a "sexually charged" username,
> the lawmakers said in the letter.""
So... basically, people who's parents didn't think things through are automatically considered pedophiles?
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Weird that nobody who reported on this linked to the original letter.
I went looking for it primarily to get the complete list of signers:
Joe Barton (TX), Frank Pallone (NJ), Mike Rogers (MI), Jan Schakowsky (IL), Tim Murphy (PA), Bruce Braley (IA), Mike Burgess (TX), G.K. Butterfield (NC), Steve Scalise (LA), and Donna Christensen (V.I.)
I was expecting to see someone from Redmond, WA in there...
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Google did nothing but make something possible, something which responsible adults might have actually wanted to do. It just so happened that an unsupervised child that didn't know what she was doing (or didn't care) made use of that feature. Not Google's fault, the end. I don't think that /.ers would be any more or less bothered if some random unsupervised kid made use of a feature offered by MS or AOL. This isn't about coolness, it's about responsibility. So long as Google is not arbitrarily tossing contacts around without some kind of user initiation/authorization (which they are not), there is no issue here.
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In one case, a 9-year-old girl accidentally shared her contact list in Gmail with a person who has a "sexually charged" username, the lawmakers said in the letter."
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I'll bite. Good troll, I guess. First nobody is saying Google doesn't deserve some inquiries, or at least none of the comments I've read. What people are saying is that the association of the 9 year girl has no bearing on this and politicians are slimy douchebags who are using this as a witch hunt to help them win votes at Google's expense.
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Having read the letter, what concerns me is that this mother insists their daughter automatically shared private data with a complete stranger.
I think the politcians are overreacting. I get that. I think this is also a case of bad parenting to let a 9 year old have their own email address and not watch them when they're on the computer.
However, not only did Buzz not auto-follow anyone, but it never suggested a stranger to me. How would someone be in your Gmail contact list if you never had any contact with them before? It seems like this is all a major flawed premise that this girl was forced to have contact with this evil user without the girl's consent, when it reality that user was probably in the contact list for a reason.
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People seem to be jumping on either the "pro-Google" bandwagon or the "anti-'think of the children'" bandwagon left and right. So let's stop and consider this rationally.
Google has changed Buzz to address privacy concerns multiple times. In fact they made so many changes so quickly that it's hard to document exactly what settings it had when without a lot of research. However early on it was easily possible to have the following scenario:
"InnocentUser," a legal adult, has a Gmail account. (Let's even say they got one sometime after July 2009, so Gmail wasn't even in "beta" at the time, just to end-run one particular argument.) They've emailed a number of people using this account. They've also gotten several scary emails from "ImaPredator," which they never responded to.
When Buzz was launched InnocentUser's Google Profile was indexed. The easiest way for this to happen was to "try out" Buzz like Google urged everyone with a Gmail account. However numerous people have reported finding they had their Google Profile indexed without ever actually trying Buzz.
Once your Google Profile was automatically integrated with Buzz it would auto-follow anyone who you emailed with a lot. So InnocentUser has a lot of their usual contacts auto-followed and made visible in their Google Profile. Meanwhile ImaPredator joins Buzz, which notices they emailed InnocentUser a lot (regardless of the fact that InnocentUser never emailed back,) and auto-follows them. Now ImaPredator can go to InnocentUser's Google Profile and see the list of their most common contacts.
That's pretty bad. Of course it's even worse that perhaps InnocentUser did email back ImaPredator once, with a message saying something like "If you ever email me again I'm going to report you to the police." That's good enough for Buzz to decide InnocentUser ought to auto-follow ImaPredator as well! (Once of the people Buzz set me up to auto-follow was someone who i had a single email exchange with. Perhaps because it occurred very shortly before Buzz went live.)
There _was_ an option to disable Buzz. However initially at least all that did was remove the Buzz UI from your end. Your profile was still visible to others and still listed your regular contacts. CNET and other sites published detailed tutorials about how to _actually_ go through all the options and disable Buzz "for realz" because of all the privacy concerns.
When the inevitable, and in my mind quite justified, complaints started, Google went through several rounds of apologizing (but usually with weasel wording such as "we're sorry our users feel like their privacy has been violated" rather than "we're sorry we screwed up") and revising Buzz's behaviour and options. After the third or so revision they reached the point where it was halfway reasonable, and it was fairly easy for everyone who still didn't like it to actually turn it off.
Google definitely did something stupid. If they made the decision to auto-include everyone with a Gmail account in Buzz because they thought it was the only way to catch up with Facebook and Twitter in a reasonable amount of time then what they did could arguably be considered Evil as well. It's unfortunate that the lawmakers are pulling the "think of the children" card when Google clearly did something wrong regardless of the age of the people involved, but that doesn't somehow magically invalidate the wrongness. Google did try to correct things after the fact, but that doesn't change the fact that they did something wrong to begin with, and it's quite possible that some people were hurt by Google's mistakes before changes were implemented.
Certainly a slap on the wrist by the FCC would not be out of line. And an investigation into whether the issues were due to professional negligence or... whatever you call screwing over your users for a "quick buck," also seems quite reasonable to me. If something actually criminal was done (i leave it up to the actual lawyers to determine what would and would not be criminal in this case) then apologizing for it before the "police" actually catch you isn't enough to get you out of trouble. It doesn't work that way for the average citizen and it shouldn't work that way for corporations either.
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I don't really understand what Google did besides auto-connect this girl with someone we was already in contact with. I have a gmail account and I had Buzz activated and every single person I've e-mailed from my gmail account was not automatically following me, nor did anyone I had never contacted suddenly appear on my contacts list.
Honestly this is how the article puts it: "In the original public version of Buzz, launched in February, the program compiled a list of the Gmail contacts the users most frequently e-mailed or chatted with and automatically started following those people. Those lists were made public, giving strangers access to the contacts of Buzz users." That doesn't even make any sense, why would your "most frequently e-mailed or chatted with" contacts be strangers? If the people you e-mail/chat with the most are people you have no idea who they are and how dangerous they are, then you have way bigger problems than them having your contacts list.
And it was a sexual user name. It wasn't a sexual predator or registered sex offender. I didn't even see anywhere in the article if they'd looked into who this person was. For all we know it was another 9 year old using sexual language because he's immature and thinks its funny.
The problem here isn't Google, it's parents/lawmakers not understanding what's happening and then reacting to it without real information. Now, I'm not going to pretend that the Google Buzz launch being opt out instead of opt in is okay with me. But this is a problem that capitalism solves itself, without the government. If it upset you that much that your contact list was shared with some people without your permission, stop using gmail/Buzz. If you want to send Google a letter saying you'll still use their services but are disappointed, that's fine too. But don't bring the government into this and don't have them pretend that this 9 year old was somehow put in anymore jeopardy than she (and her parents) had already her by regularly contacting this person.
Oligarch 1:
Eleven U.S. lawmakers have asked the FTC to investigate Google's launch of its Buzz social-networking product for breaches of consumer privacy.
Oligarch 2:
Saying an old e-mail or your online photo album should have the same privacy protection from police as your home filing cabinet, Google, Microsoft and others said Tuesday they will ask Congress to overhaul a 24-year-old federal law that helps define online and mobile phone privacy.
Isn't it nice to have such honorable oligarchs? Nobly bickering over who gets to read my communications to serve their own ends, unhindered by petty respect for the intent and spirit of the 4th amendment.
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Why are politicians so evil?
Evil, hell-- I'm just wondering why they have so much TIME on their hands...
... no, moron, everyone here is logical. Everyone (barring yourself) here is pretty much aware of the fact that a 9 year old doesn't belong unsupervised on the Internet, ANYWHERE any more than they should be taken into a stripclub and given lap dances.
Its that most say 'wtf is a 9 year old girl doing with free run of a gmail account?'
I'd feel no different about MS, though most of slashdot's crowd would attack them for it, could be any web site, doesn't fucking matter who did it, the parents are fucking morons who need to have their children taken away.
The parents are idiots, and I'd wager you are too for ignoring the actual problem and trying to blame it on someone else.
I wasn't brainwashed into thinking Google was 'cool'. My parents brainwashed me into thinking, without having someone else tell me how to think. Sadly, yours failed apparently.
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This post needs a 'share on Buzz' icon.
Normally it takes years for them to see any problems, much less truly understand them.
I wonder which corporation made "campaign contributions" to them in order to speed of their "noticing" an event that took place less than a month ago.
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