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Completely Farm-Bred Unagi, a World First

JoshuaInNippon writes "Japanese scientists at the National Research Institute of Aquaculture, Fisheries Research Agency have reported that they successfully completed an artificial cultivation cycle for unagi, or eel — a world first. Unagi is a traditional delicacy in Japan, and can commonly be found in baked form at sushi restaurants. The fish has long been caught either matured, or still young and then fattened on farms. Sadly, as a result, natural stocks of unagi have plummeted in recent years. However, the research news indicates a future method to completely farm breed the tasty creature in mass quantity. Good news for sushi lovers, Japanese businesses, and wild eel alike."

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  1. Total awareness? by Scutter · · Score: 1, Funny

    They can farm-grow total awareness now? /got nuthin'

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    1. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, salmon skin roll!

    2. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a totally shit show that was. 10 years of it, and now it will be repeating forever on progressively ghetto TV stations.

    3. Re:Total awareness? by schon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shhh.. you're not supposed to make "Friends" references on /. (unless it's to say how lame the show was.) Someone might ask you to turn in your Geek card.

    4. Re:Total awareness? by Scutter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shhh.. you're not supposed to make "Friends" references on /. (unless it's to say how lame the show was.) Someone might ask you to turn in your Geek card.

      You and I both have SlashID's in the low five digits. We can pretty much get away with anything without losing geek cred.

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    5. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Human beings are not suppos

      I am a suppo you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Total awareness? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hey, stupid! Yo Mama is an OMNIVORE! Yo Granma would eat anything that didn't eat her first! Yo Great Granny has CANINES!!

      Get over it - humans are predators - they were DESIGNED (by God or by nature) to eat flesh.

      Here, try some A-1 sauce on that medium rare steak. It's delicious. Man, I just love that slightly pink center. BLOOD!! Mmmm-mmmm GOOD!

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    7. Re:Total awareness? by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

      We can pretty much get away with anything without losing geek cred.

      Jacob or Edward?

      And why?
       
      /me ducks

    8. Re:Total awareness? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah? Well, my UID is bigger than both of yours combined. What have you got to say about that?!

      Check and mate, sirs.

    9. Re:Total awareness? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's worse? Making the Friends reference? Or being the one other guy (apparently) who recognizes that it's a Friends reference?

    10. Re:Total awareness? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I take it then that friends don't let friends make Friends references?

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    11. Re:Total awareness? by JWSmythe · · Score: 0

          The right answer is "shush up newbie."

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    12. Re:Total awareness? by furball · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Kids these days. Sigh.

    13. Re:Total awareness? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      In order to confiscate someone's geek card for a Friends reference, you'd have to first recognize it *as* a Friends reference, and say so. That's all well and good if they used the word "Friends" in their post, but otherwise it puts you in danger of losing your own card.

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    14. Re:Total awareness? by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Kids these days. Sigh.

      I know, right?

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    15. Re:Total awareness? by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      (Ms. Hoover voice) I didn't know we could do that!

    16. Re:Total awareness? by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      If I had to google that, does that mean I get to keep mine?

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    17. Re:Total awareness? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Of course fish feel pain.

      So if you're considerate you'd kill them in a way that doesn't prolong their suffering (eating/cooking them while they're still alive would be cruel - given that it is unnecessary for us to do so).

      There are plenty of scientific studies that show that humans do better on a diet that includes fish than one that doesn't, albeit non-mercury laden fish.

      Humans going vegan is like cats going vegetarian. Yes it's possible, but silly.

      The fishing industry has problems that need fixing - overfishing, "by-catch".

      And personally I think we should be eating more of the juvenile fish and not more of the mature ones, currently the policy seems to be the other way round.

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    18. Re:Total awareness? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Our bodies weren't designed to eat "medium rare" meat, nor that slop that people put on perfectly good meat to "flavor" it.

          Meat is to be eaten at body temperature. For the sake of hygiene, it's a good idea to seer the edges, but only just that. Not cook, not well done, just burn off the crap it may have been contaminated with.

          When I go to a restaurant, I can touch the steak with the fork, and based on how squishy it is, that's how done it is. If it feels like you're touching a soft tender breast (yes, that kind, you pervs), and you can feel the warmth from just an inch away, you know you it's cooked just right. If you touch it, and it feels like you're tapping your fork on the table, then it's way too far done. I don't accept anywhere in the middle. I've refused steaks without ever cutting into it saying "not rare enough, try again." Sometimes they ask me to at least look, so I'll slice it in half and explain why it's overcooked.

          If I had a choice of a McDonalds hamburger, or chasing down a cow and slicing a fresh steak off it with nothing but my good looks and sharp knife, I'd be enjoying fresh steak while the rest of the world stands in line at McD for their overcooked overprocessed crap.

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    19. Re:Total awareness? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      If you're going to eat meat, you might as well enjoy it whatever way you like it[1], and so far lots of animals prefer cooked meat to raw meat:

      http://www.livescience.com/animals/080922-nhm-raw-deal.html

      Most humans have evolved to have a major part of their digestive systems outside their bodies.

      These digestive system compartments include: The Kitchen and The Dining Table. They allow humans to eat a wide variety of foods that otherwise would be unedible or unpalatable (some stuff is poisonous till cooked), without requiring them to carry around huge extra stomachs.

      [1] If you like it rare/blue/"well done"/poached go ahead. No point making two animals (you and your victim) suffer. If you don't like meat, please don't eat it.

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    20. Re:Total awareness? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Isn't there one of you out there who can actually FEEL the suffering of others?

      "Actually"?

      I highly doubt it. We can only feel our only pain.

      Sorry if this sounds over-literal, but a healthy dose of reality is often useful against people who pretend they know what eels, or trees, or the planet, is "feeling".

    21. Re:Total awareness? by dolo724 · · Score: 0

      The right answer is "shush up newbie."

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    22. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least you didn't bing it (bin it?)

    23. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a low user id only means you're the kind of person that rushes to register for any new shit site that pops up :D

    24. Re:Total awareness? by beh · · Score: 1

      You're right, oh old and wise one! The kids these days.

      I guess, we're so unfortunate, that both of our UIDs added together still don't make it into the 5 digits...

      Still, it's fun to see the 5-digit younglings get into a UID pissing contest.

    25. Re:Total awareness? by beh · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are a kid, too... Kiddo...

    26. Re:Total awareness? by cswiii · · Score: 1

      newbs.

      /awaits someone to trump him.

    27. Re:Total awareness? by cswiii · · Score: 1

      Nevermind, they did downthread. :-D

    28. Re:Total awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn in your geek card for even recognizing whatever Friends reference he made.

    29. Re:Total awareness? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I think that study didn't really show the relationship to how the body is adapted to eat. It was more of "what flavor do primates like?" Just like humans, because they like the flavor doesn't mean it's better for them. If we went on that basis for eating food, most kids would eat candy bars exclusively. :)

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    30. Re:Total awareness? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I'm glad you agree with me. :)

          Looking back, I should have registered an account here when I started reading, rather than years later when I actually started posting.

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    31. Re:Total awareness? by WowTIP · · Score: 1

      Having a low UID here means you probably used Netscape Navigator 4.0x or IE 3 - 4 to register your account.

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    32. Re:Total awareness? by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      You, and everyone on /., look-up "mirror neurons". Have a nice day.

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    33. Re:Total awareness? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      I know what mirror neurons are. And it's exactly what I said - why people pretend to think they know what dogs and trees feel like when they actually have no fucking idea.

      "Sap is the trees crying!"

      Yeah, yeah, go cry yourself to sleep, hippie.

    34. Re:Total awareness? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You and I both have SlashID's in the low five digits. We can pretty much get away with anything without losing geek cred.

      This "Friends" phenomenon to which you refer - I deduce from your embarrassment that it is a television programme of some form, and from observation I suspect that it would have been broadcast in one or several of the decades when I didn't waste time by having a television. Am I correct in my deductions?
      What characteristics did it have that makes your knowledge of it so painfully disgusting? Or do I need to perform an obscene penetration ritual involving a rubber replica of one of the (presumend) programme's (presumed) stars before I am deemed self-abused enough to know?

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    35. Re:Total awareness? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but there's much scientific evidence that red meat and candy are unhealthy foods for most people.

      So if you're going to eat red meat or candy you might as well eat them in the way you like and the ones you like.

      In contrast if you want to eat what's good for you, then you'd be eating more vegetables and fish (preferably the lower food chain ones with less mercury).

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    36. Re:Total awareness? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      If I had to google that, does that mean I get to keep mine?

      What if I didn't have to google it because my fiancee obsesses about such things? Oh, wai}{{f3]\66

      NO CARRIER

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    37. Re:Total awareness? by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Not a hippie: "Save on paper towels. The tree you save could be your next roll top desk" is one of my favorite woodworkers' expressions. : )

      My point was more oriented toward fellow mammalia. The essence of your point "why people pretend they know what [other animals] feel like" could be applied between ever individual of the human race too, "why people pretend to know what other people feel like...", but then science shows us there's something built-in to the biology to do it: and the point isn't to do so exactly, precisely, just approximately, "accurately enough". Kick a dog in the ribs and see what happens, kick a human likewise and see what happens. Also, your use of "feel" is as amphorous as popular speech, so if we're going to be speaking of scientific matters, please define; when I say feel I'm speaking of physical sensation, not emotion or cognitive evaluation: most people muddle-up all these things and then speak without cognizance of any and it's something I'd like a law for, authorizing beatings for all such "thinkers". Some other animal creature--just because of the difficulties we'll stick to mammalia--may not evaluate a sensation of "pain" exactly as we, but that doesn't mean they don't sense it, or share such a sensation, and pretending that it's completely unknowable is a return to gnosis and is the sort of academic pretense and overprecision (in many cases) for which men get rightly mocked: especially the inevitable self-righteous-like responses, such as "pretending to be able to know what something else feels like" sort of "I'm better and more a thunker[1] than you" demonstrations, as you've just put on display.

      Precision or equivalency is not the criterion for commonality or empathy, or mutual understanding: if such were, there would be no communication or interpersonal or cultural sensitivity or awareness; science deals with imprecision and precision alike, and if you've philophically bungled these you'll produce the sort of snarling non-starters and holier-than-thou "preaching" as that I've just critiqued.

      [1] Yes, it's purposely spelled that way (just in case).

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  2. This is delicious news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love unagi. This makes me happy on the inside. I'm honestly a little surprised it's taken this long to farm them, but I suppose their needs are rather different than most farmable fish.

    1. Re:This is delicious news. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I love unagi. This makes me happy on the inside.

      But do you love them on the inside?

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  3. Maybe, maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good news for sushi-lovers, Japanese businesses, and wild eel alike.

    In the US Pacific Northwest, it has been found that farm raising salmon significantly hurt the wild populations.
    Some of those farmed fish can escape affect the gene pool!

    1. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      In the US Pacific Northwest, it has been found that farm raising salmon significantly hurt the wild populations.

      No, it has been found that destruction of natural habitat, dams, and overfishing significantly hurt the wild salmon populations.

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    2. Re:Maybe, maybe not by ushering05401 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The AC is probably referring to the infections that the farmed salmon have transmitted to nearby wild populations. I don't know if transmission is via escape or simple proximity, but there has been some noise about the issue.

      Just like with the meat industrial complex animals, the farmed salmon require high doses of meds because of the unnatural and crowded living environment, and this has resulted in some aggressive infections for which the wild population is unprepared.

    3. Re:Maybe, maybe not by NoMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or the genetic impacts on wild salmon (naturally selected for overall fitness) of interbreeding with escaped farmed salmon (human selected for fast growth rates). It's actually a fairly nasty problem for wild stocks, and is being extensively researched.

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    4. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US Pacific Northwest, it has been found that farm raising salmon significantly hurt the wild populations. Some of those farmed fish can escape affect the gene pool!

      In the US Welfare Cities, it has been found that ghetto raising people significantly hurt the productive populations. Some of those government-farmed people can affect the gene pool!

    5. Re:Maybe, maybe not by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      For whatever reason Atlantic salmon is used for farming, even when the farm is in the Pacific. There is no evidence that Atlantic and Pacific salmon species interbreed in the wild (the papers you link described lab experiments of forced interbreeding).

      However escaped Atlantic salmon and their offspring do compete for food with the native species. Also, fish farms are breeding grounds for sea lice, and they introduce antibiotics into the environment, as the GP points out.

    6. Re:Maybe, maybe not by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      The same thing happens with Pacific salmon when hatchery fish are used to supplement wild populations, as has been (is still?) done in the Pacific Northwest.

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    7. Re:Maybe, maybe not by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Yup, because that's the only thing we've ever bred for our own gains.

          Pretty much any domesticated or farm animal you see has been bred for centuries to give us what we have today. It's not limited to animals though. Fruits and vegetables are the same way. Farmers have always taken things with preferred traits, and disposed of the ones with unwanted traits. Something as simple as a tomato started out as a fruit the size of a berry. Now we have our nice large tomatoes that we recognize today as a common food, and it's even grown "naturally" to make the tree huggers all warm and fuzzy about their organic disposition. Sorry, you're eating a genetically modified (through selective breeding) food. And no, I don't just make these things up.

          Some animals and plants can still survive in the wild on their own. Look at feral cats and dogs. Many survive very well. Some just can't make it and die off.

         

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    8. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      In the US Pacific Northwest, it has been found that farm raising salmon significantly hurt the wild populations.

      Farm raising fish significantly hurts wild populations of lots of other species since we only raise carnivorous fish. So now instead of fishing 2 kg of fish for 1 kg marketed, we fish 10 kg to feed the fish farms.

      The nice bit being that we can now fish those "other" species that have little market value or that aren't on the brink of extinction yet. It took some time but we'll finally manage to empty the oceans. Just a few more decades and we'll be able to bathe in peace.

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    9. Re:Maybe, maybe not by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just like with the human population, the urban dwellers require high doses of meds because of the unnatural and crowded living environment, and this has resulted in some aggressive infections [].

      TFTFY

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  4. They sound.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...deelicious

  5. Dirty Jobs by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    I saw a couple minutes of an episode of Dirty Jobs recently. At first I thought Mike Rowe was sifting through a table of entrails. It was actually a table full of slime and Unagi. Apparently they excrete slime.

    1. Re:Dirty Jobs by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Apparently they excrete slime.

      Hell, they're still slimy when you eat them. It doesn't make them any less delicious. =)

      Seriously, if you've never had an Unagi-Don, shop around at your local sushi restaurants till you get a good one. They're amazing.

    2. Re:Dirty Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was probably the slime eel/hagfish episode.

    3. Re:Dirty Jobs by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I'll pass on that one...

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    4. Re:Dirty Jobs by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That was slime-eel aka hagfish not Unagi.

    5. Re:Dirty Jobs by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Eel tempura is the most amazing stuff ever. If I could get that cheep, every day, I'd eat a ton of it.

      I'm hoping the landlocked midwest US saves me from that terrible fate....

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    6. Re:Dirty Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to clarify a bit more, slime-eel (aka hagfish) is not related to the true eel (unagi and its Atlantic cousin). In fact, hagfish may not be a fish at all (or a vertebrate, for that matter)--it is a much more primitive organism than other vertebrates. As far as I know, hagfish is only eaten in Korea, whereas unagi is widely eaten not just in Japan, but also China and Europe. (Japan just happens to put a higher price tag on it than most other countries.)

  6. right by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
    And what will these eel eat? Oh, that's right - fish. Which have to be caught and then fed to the eels...

    Salmon farm fishing is a disaster. Shrimp are not much better. I don't know how the tilapia production is fairing. Tilapia are not predators like salmon, so I imagine it might be better, but I have no idea.

    Answer: stop eating fish. Sorry.

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    1. Re:right by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Answer: stop eating fish. Sorry.

      Because cows and pigs are any better than farmed fish?

      If this is just another vegan scheme to convert us all, I swear I'll, uh, well, enjoy some bacon and make fun of you while doing it...? I got nothing.

    2. Re:right by IonOtter · · Score: 1

      Tilapia are herbivorous, so you can feed them plant waste. You can almost feed them by fertilizing the water they live in, since they'll eat anything that grows in the water. They're great for controlling aquatic weeds, too. There's a reason tilapia are chosen to be raised on organic veggie farms? You can just recycle the veggie waste right into the shredder and into the tanks.

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    3. Re:right by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      My answer is to primarily eat wild, sustainably caught fish. It's generally much healthier than farmed fish anyway, which are fed the same garbage that factory farm cattle and pigs are fed, thus removing much of the health benefits of eating fish in the first place. I don't want my beef fattened on corn, and I don't want my salmon fattened on corn either.

      Check out http://www.ecofish.com or http://www.wildplanetfoods.com/ for some examples. Also, I eat lots of sardines - small fish that have short lifespans and thus tend to accumulate fewer mercury and nasty stuff, and can quickly replenish their population.

    4. Re:right by JanneM · · Score: 1

      "My answer is to primarily eat wild, sustainably caught fish. It's generally much healthier than farmed fish anyway, which are fed the same garbage that factory farm cattle and pigs are fed, thus removing much of the health benefits of eating fish in the first place."

      But the OP says they are fed fish, which makes them just as healthy as wild fish. Could you two decide: are they fed fish (great quality feed) or are they fed garbage (one disposal problem down)?

      Besides, it's eels we're talking about here. You catch a wild eel, crab or clam and they haven't exactly been dining on fresh fish filets in the wild either.

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    5. Re:right by maxume · · Score: 1

      You have to pay more for it, but range/grass fed beef is mostly only a problem for the beef.

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    6. Re:right by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Doesn't it just come down to like, the food chain?

      To save myself having to read up on this for 20 minutes...

      Red Fish are a delicacy in a certain country. Red Fish typically eat Blue Fish. Blue Fish typically eat Green Fish. Green Fish typically eat kelp.

      The solution would then be: grow kelp to feed the Green Fish. Once a population of Green Fish is going, feed Green Fish to Blue Fish. Once a population of Blue Fish is going, feed Blue Fish to Red Fish. Once Red Fish population starts growing, sell off the excess as you've reached the "top" of this little microcosm of the overall food chain.

      The damn eels gotta eat something. Whatever they eat - you go down the chain far enough and the food has to be something we can grow or produce without having to fish. I really do believe that it all can be farmed. (This opinion might be due to my several-years-long crippling RTS addiction).

    7. Re:right by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      They can eat dogfood or any high protein diet. No need to feed them fish.

      Answer: Stop being a dummy and realize that we can do better than nature!

    8. Re:right by JanneM · · Score: 1

      The eels are already long since farmed. This simply enables eel farming without having to take juveniles from the wild.

      "Answer: stop eating fish. Sorry."

      When you've convinced people to stop eating meat as well. That is to say, never. Better to find ways of farming fish and seafood that minimizes impact. That will get us better results than pining for something that isn't going to happen.

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    9. Re:right by timmarhy · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I'm betting your right. vegans always ignore the fact the food chain naturally includes meat eaters, and that meat has 10x the energy of veg meaning you'd have to clear a lot more land to feed the world just on veg. they also ignore that most stock is fed on waste products making it a very efficent industry. not a single bit of an animal is wasted either.

      this is what happens when you inject a moral code into what you eat, your unable to see things clearly.

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    10. Re:right by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      How is it a problem for the beef? You see a lot of wild beef cattle around?

      Cattle and swine became hugely biologically successful because of this arrangement. It may not be biologically advantageous for every single animal, but has made them some of the most widespread and successful species.

    11. Re:right by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You can raise them in the runoff from hydroponic gardening, I have done this.

    12. Re:right by maxume · · Score: 1

      I was mostly kidding. But on some level, I was acknowledging that some people think it is mean to kill and eat cattle.

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    13. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm betting your right. vegans always ignore the fact the food chain naturally includes meat eaters, and that meat has 10x the energy of veg meaning you'd have to clear a lot more land to feed the world just on veg.

      No it doesn't mean that.

      they also ignore that most stock is fed on waste products making it a very efficent industry. not a single bit of an animal is wasted either.

      That is totally nonsensical.

      this is what happens when you inject a moral code into what you eat, your unable to see things clearly.

      Yeah, fuck morality.

      Oh, and are you insane?

    14. Re:right by JrGrouch0 · · Score: 1

      Didn't Dr, Seuss figure this out? One fish two fish, red fish blue fish...

    15. Re:right by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm betting your right

      My right, damn straight MOTHERFUCKER. Don't you DARE FUCK WITH MY RIGHT!!!!!!


      Oh, you meant "you're right"...not possessive... Carry on....

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    16. Re:right by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      That's a fair enough choice from a personal perspective, but it doesn't scale well. There's endless examples of wild fish stocks crashing to dangerously low levels, and a few examples of fish populations effectively being fished to extinction, due to the activities of just a couple of countries. It's pretty obvious that you just can't support a world population of 6.5 billion+ on wild-caught fish.

      Oh, and one classic example of this is the crash of sardine fisheries in the 1960's...

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    17. Re:right by apoc.famine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Which is why they taste like water....

      Seriously, I know that tilapia are "environmentally friendly". However, they taste like shit. Give me pretty much any other fish, and I'll be happy. Tilapia are the shittiest fish you can get.

      This kills me, because I'd like to be environmentally friendly, but when given the choice of "tastes like water, and falls apart", and is fucking amazing I'm hard pressed to want to choose tilapia. I want to be good, but tilapia makes me hate fish, more than any other fish. It's so sad that the good-for-the-environment-fish taste like crap.

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    18. Re:right by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Indeed they do, I have raised them, but I never did bother eating them.

    19. Re:right by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      "they also ignore that most stock is fed on waste products making it a very efficent industry. not a single bit of an animal is wasted either. That is totally nonsensical."

      using 100% of the animal and feeding it on material that otherwise is wasted makes perfect sense. The question is why can't you understand such a simple concept?

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    20. Re:right by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Then why raise them? Unless you got good money for them....

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    21. Re:right by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except you use far more land growing the feed for the animals than growing the vegetables to replace the meat in a human diet.

      Vegetarian diet requires a lot of knowledge of nutrition to make work, but it is far more energy-efficient. Those animals don't subsist on air.

      Meat, however, tastes good.

    22. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using 100% of the animal and feeding it on material that otherwise is wasted makes perfect sense. The question is why can't you understand such a simple concept?

      I believe a lack of protein can stunt development of the brain. If the above AC was raised as a vegan it may well have received inadequate protein leading to a underdeveloped brain. This may explain why it is unable to grasp simple concepts.

    23. Re:right by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      And what will these eel eat? Oh, that's right - fish. Which have to be caught and then fed to the eels...

      Anyone who grew up in that crazy Twentieth Century decade of the 70s is well aware that eels eat Assorted Letters of the English Alphabet.

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    24. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      This kills me, because I'd like to be environmentally friendly, but when given the choice of "tastes like water, and falls apart", and is fucking amazing I'm hard pressed to want to choose tilapia. I want to be good, but tilapia makes me hate fish, more than any other fish. It's so sad that the good-for-the-environment-fish taste like crap.

      You might want to try blackening them: Season with a spicy mixture of Cayenne, Black Pepper, Salt, Garlic Powder/Onion Powder, Powdered Thyme, and Powdered Sage; Let set 5 minutes; Brush with the oil of your choosing(Olive, Corn, Canola, Peanut, etc.); Toss onto a Blazing-NASA-Re-Entry-Hot Cast Iron Grill/Fry Pan for about 30 seconds per side, and serve. Granted, the flavor is a product of the cooking method & not the fish, but it's still delicious.

    25. Re:right by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fish farming isn't a disaster at all.

      Sure, the fish have higher levels of stress and disease. But that doesn't matter since we're going to eat them anyway and we won't catch their diseases.

      Sure, the fish live at higher densities than seen in the wild. So what? Doesn't affect their taste.

      Sure, the fish have higher levels of lice. That's a problem if they infect wild populations. So that's adequately and properly solved with a greater distance between the two.

      Sure, the fish are sometimes fed too many antibiotics. Solution? feed them less! It's just an equation between antibiotics and profitability. It'd be fine to pay a bit more in exchange for a bit less antibiotic use.

      Sure, the fish cause pollution from their feces etc. But that's no problem in places of high current.

      I love fish, and almost all the dishes I cook with them the taste difference between wild and farmed is minimal. And even though the farmed and quite as healthy for you as the wild, they're still pretty darned healthy.

    26. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farmed fish are raised in dense pens, which means they take a shit and then they swim around in it. It's like raising fish in a toilet. It doesn't matter what they eat, it's what they breathe.

      Farmed salmon aren't orange. That should spook you a little bit.

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    27. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Salmon farm fishing is a disaster. Shrimp are not much better. I don't know how the tilapia production is fairing. Tilapia are not predators like salmon, so I imagine it might be better, but I have no idea.

      Tilapia is very good at eating poo at waste water treatment plants. Chow down!

    28. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why they taste like water....

      Mine taste like bong water from my hydroponic gardening.

    29. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit of an oversimplification, or really just wrong.
      Eels could be fed cultured shellfish, like mussels, clams, oysters.
      Salmon farming is indeed a disaster, but certainly not for the reason you gave. Farmed salmon is usually fed on grain (same with tilapia).

      I found this pretty informative:
      http://sustainableoceanproject.com/2010/03/09/is-farm-raised-seafood-sustainable-or-not-part-1/
      http://sustainableoceanproject.com/2010/03/26/is-farm-raised-seafood-sustainable-or-not-part-2/
      http://sustainableoceanproject.com/2010/04/07/is-farm-raised-seafood-sustainable-or-not-part-3/

      But, if you can raise catfish in a barrel in your backyard fed on scraps, I'm sure that feed is not a difficult issue to solve for "sustainable" fish farming.
      Rather, the impact of contamination of the environment (waste, disease, genetic), where the baby fish are coming from, and what you are destroying (cleared/flooded areas) would most likely be much bigger problems.

    30. Re:right by brs336 · · Score: 1

      Generally, eel are baited with horseshoe crab, not fish.

    31. Re:right by TheLink · · Score: 1

      If humans didn't eat cows and had little other use for them, cattle might join the ranks of those endangered/extinct species.

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    32. Re:right by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Vegetarian diet requires a lot of knowledge of nutrition to make work, but it is far more energy-efficient. Those animals don't subsist on air.

      But not all land is good for growing plants that humans can eat and thrive on.

      > Meat, however, tastes good.

      And a diet that includes fish is scientifically proven to be good for you.

      Humans aren't that great at converting ALA to DHA. You can't easily get those healthy long chained omega acids from a vegetarian diet, without supplements.

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    33. Re:right by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

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    34. Re:right by mqduck · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that your claim that vegans "ignore" those facts is based entirely on nothing, given that none of them address the core issue for vegetarians/vegans: whether it can ever moral to take a life when it's not necessary to do so.

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    35. Re:right by dwye · · Score: 1

      They did. The last aurochs (the most probable wild ancestor of domestic cattle) died during the Thirty Years War when the nobility's hunting preserves were overrun by various (hungry) armies.

    36. Re:right by TheLink · · Score: 1

      The water I prefer to drink doesn't tend to taste of anything unpleasant.

      Some tilapia taste like mud[1] to me. Not all though. I guess it's a matter of what they eat or drink. Perhaps you could try putting them in a "clean flushing tank" first for two weeks before eating them[2] (not sure what you should feed them to make them tastier during those two weeks, but I guess you could experiment ).

      [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosmin

      [2] http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a902885434&db=all

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    37. Re:right by drsquare · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm betting your right. vegans always ignore the fact the food chain naturally includes meat eaters, and that meat has 10x the energy of veg meaning you'd have to clear a lot more land to feed the world just on veg.

      Actually meat requires more land. For a start, you need to grow the food to feed to the animals. They're cutting down rainforests just to meet demand for beef.

    38. Re:right by mrjb · · Score: 1

      "Under acidic conditions, geosmin decomposes into odorless substances.[citation needed]" Meaning, there are no guarantees, but it looks like you might try addding some lemon juice/vinegar/yoghurt to your recipe.

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    39. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. I know three lifelong vegetarians (that's right - from birth). One is an athlete and one is a very well paid nutritionist and the other is an exceptionally talented programmer. None seem at all sickly or at all weak.

      I fear you're just regurgitating (so to speak) the same old myths that the meat industry needs to beat back otherwise glaring facts.

    40. Re:right by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      3 people you know is a study now?

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    41. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what will these eel eat? Oh, that's right - fish. Which have to be caught and then fed to the eels...

      Salmon farm fishing is a disaster. Shrimp are not much better. I don't know how the tilapia production is fairing. Tilapia are not predators like salmon, so I imagine it might be better, but I have no idea.

      Answer: stop eating fish. Sorry.

      Unless they are very different from adult European Eel in its freshwater stage (eels go throw a lot of metamorphoses depending on age and environment) they can be fed with slaughterhouse waste.

      European eel is sometime wild catched as young and kept to become bigger. They have also traditionally been used to keep wells and springs cleen from animals drowning in it (an eel can get at least a hundred years old and don't require a constant supply of food, they are not very sencitive to draught either).

      They propably need salt water to mate and hatch the eel. But at least adult European Eels can be kept in pretty much any hole in the ground, meaning no pollution of any seas. They are wicked escape artists though and can travel for kilometers on solid ground with just a hint of moist.

    42. Re:right by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And my point is that while wild-caught or naturally-occurring *anything* might be better for you, and sticking to foods that aren't intensively farmed is a fair enough personal choice to make, there's no way in hell a world without highly developed agriculture or aquaculture can support even the current 6.5 billion+ people.

      On top of that, I'd be wary of any claims that certain fisheries are 'sustainable' - even with the current state of ecological modelling, there's a dire lack of knowledge and understanding of the totality of factors and processes that drive fish abundance. You've just got to Google 'fisheries collapse' to see all the examples of what were thought to be 'sustainable' fishing practices that turned out wrong - sardines, pilchards, salmon, Atlantic Cod, etc, etc, etc, not to mention the cascade effect on other species that depended upon them. The Beverton-Holt model isn't all it's cracked up to be, and it's certainly not an accurate model of even a single fishery's ecosystem...

      Oh, and while you're Googling, you might want to check how your belief about the Japanese being "the ones who do all the illegal fishing in international waters crap" stand up to scrutiny. You'd be surprised...

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    43. Re:right by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      Farmed Tilapia usually eat Farmed Salmon shit. So it be hard to farm one without the other.

    44. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opinion. Opinion. Opinion.
      Conclusion?!

      Ralph is a tard. Eat fish.

    45. Re:right by Dr.+Hellno · · Score: 1

      No, but it's certainly a solid proof of concept, if you're willing to take his word for it.

    46. Re:right by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      They're cutting down rainforests just to meet demand for beef.

      That's bullshit. Don't blame it all on meat eaters like we are some kind of horror. Humans are omnivores and are evolved to eat both meat and vegetables.

      People are cutting down the rain forests to get fertile soil since they sucked all the nutrients out of their old soil with unsustainable practices from BOTH farming and raising cattle.

      They do this because cutting down more rain forest is cheaper and easier than sustaining the land. Not because people are eating too many hamburgers.

    47. Re:right by Omestes · · Score: 1

      I believe a lack of protein can stunt development of the brain.

      And I believe that eating meat is the only way to keep the Tooth Fairy from embarking on a terrible rampage that would kill all of man-kind.

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    48. Re:right by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      they also ignore that most stock is fed on waste products

      This is incorrect. 75% of the grain grown in the US is fed to ruminants; ruminants that evolved to eat grass, not grain.

    49. Re:right by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      I finish my Tilapia http://www.youtube.com/elizabethagreene in fresh-from-the-tap water, feeding only duckweed for one week, and nothing for two days prior to processing. It helps the flavor a lot vs. straight from the growout tank. In the growout tank I supplement the duckweed with a commercial catfish feed. The catfish feed has a large portion of chicken "other" in it. I assume this is the source of the off flavor.

    50. Re:right by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I'm sure we can take his word for it. I didn't say it's impossible.

      It's just not easy, just look at what this guy eats: http://www.brendanbrazier.com/vega/index.html
      Maca - some plant that's native to the Andes.

      Or the others: http://www.dynamicbodies.com/vegetari.htm
      Goat cheese sandwiches.

      It's a lot harder[1] for humans to thrive on a pure vegetarian diet (IMO eating eggs is not vegetarian).

      Sure seems far easier and cheaper to get sardines than maca or goat cheese. Protein, B12, taurine, calcium, iron, etc all in bite sized packages :).

      So much easier then to just add say a few sardines or other similar oceanic fish a week to a mainly vegetarian diet, than to do what these bunch do.

      The fact is humans are omnivores, and ones that appear to do rather well on diets that include sea fish. And yes if you eat a good steak or burger once in a while, it's not going to kill you (unless you're really unlucky :) ).

      [1] But it's still not as hard as having a cat thrive on a vegan diet.

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    51. Re:right by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
      You're not cooking it right. Tilapia is like Tofu. It doesn't have a lot of flavour of its own, so you season it or use it in a sauce that gives it flavour.

      Eating Orange Roughy is a VERY bad idea - they are not a resilient species, are very slow to mature, and if we keep eating them they will go extinct, and quickly.

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    52. Re:right by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know how bad it is to eat Orange Roughy - when I found out about them, I felt pretty damn bad about how many I had eaten. But that's one damn tasty fish.

      As for tilapia - a coworker of mine once said, "The way you're describing seasoning tofu, it sounds like you could make cardboard taste good. Why would you go through all that effort when you could just eat something that tastes good to start with?"

      Yes, I know how to make talapia taste palatable, by smothering it with stuff. But it still has a shitty texture, and it's damn hard to get the flesh to have a decent taste. I'd rather start with a tasty fish, and work from there.

      Point me to a sustainable fish with firm flesh and good flavor, at a reasonable price, and I'll be all over that. It's the holy grail I've been looking for for years.

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    53. Re:right by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      I know three lifelong vegetarians

      The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

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    54. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So any fish that does not taste like bacon "tastes like shit". Hmm.

  7. japanese will eat anything i swear. by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll

    watch iron chef. i swear that culutre would eat anything, they make fish ice cream for cripes sake.

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    1. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Chinese have them beat: all things four-legged other than table (some like that).

      But hey, we eat haggis, lutefisk, scrapple, prarie oyster, head cheese, rotting cheese. We're up there.

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    2. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Making statements on Japanese culture based on Iron Chef is only slightly less ridiculous than basing it based on Dragonball Z. Your average Japanese person probably hasn't eaten fish ice cream. The point of the show is to show off creativity in cooking, so you get dishes that have never before seen a dinner plate and probably never will again. Iron Chef America makes some crazy dishes, I'd be surprised if there hasn't been some type of meat ice cream or sorbet on it (I wouldn't know, I could never get into the American version).

      True, they eat some seafood that we don't. Why anyone decided squid was a good thing to fry up on a stick and eat is beyond me, and I was quite weirded out to see octopus tentacle in a supermarket. But most of the odd Japanese foods are seafood, which makes sense considering how much coast they have. If you ask me, eating unagi is much more sane than eating sheep heart, liver and lungs (aka haggis). And I really don't want to know what parts of the chicken go into delicious chicken nuggets.

      Anyway in my experience, they're not fond of Root Beer. They say it tastes "like the dentists office" whatever that means. So there's at least one food that we eat that weirds them out.

    3. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Like2Byte · · Score: 4, Funny

      But hey, we eat haggis, lutefisk, scrapple, prarie oyster, head cheese, rotting cheese. We're up there.

      What's this we shit? You got a mouse in your pocket?

      I've been to Scotland - I took one look at haggis and I suddenly didn't feel so international anymore.

    4. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by oldhack · · Score: 1

      What I was saying, was that some of us, you know, Royal We, right?

      How did you know about the mouse?

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    5. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Iron Chef America they have made Bacon Ice Cream. Supposedly it was delicious.

      As for the Root Beer, root beer tastes similar to tooth paste. Next time you have some, or brush your teeth, pay attention to how close the taste is.

    6. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      Some people are just unadventurous or don't know where to find interesting foods. I've had everything you've mentioned there locally here in California (except the haggis, which I had in Scotland).

      I'm actually not fond of root beer either... i guess its taste does resemble the pink mouthwash that some dentists use.

      If you think the fish ice cream is weird, you should try a meat cocktail (as in the alcoholic type served at a bar)...

    7. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      i'm not trying to defend haggis, it's aweful, but atleast it's cooked.

      the fact is the japanese are into anything and everything, as proof i'll refer you to some crap called "swollows nest". i found the following description:

      "The swiftlet lives in dark caves, using a method of echolocation similar to the bat to get around. Instead of twigs and straw, the swiftlet makes its nest from strands of its own gummy saliva, which hardens when exposed to air."

      I doubt any westerner would see that on the side of a cave wall and think "YUM that looks like food"

      dont' get me wrong, i love oriental foods ( i went to a japanese resturant just 2 weeks ago). but they are definately more out there when it comes to what they will eat then we are.

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    8. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Next time you go there, ask for sea slug. Hmm.... sea slug...

      That bird nest thing was Chinese, I thought.

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    9. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by manwargi · · Score: 1

      The pilgrims and native Americans had eel during the first Thanksgiving.

    10. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Swallow's nest is a Chinese dish, not Japanese. And if I've understood it right, it's kind of a "stunt" dish in China as well.

      "but they are definately more out there when it comes to what they will eat then we are."

      I'm Swedish, and whenever conversation with some Japanese colleague or new acquaintance is about food, the subject invariably drifts to surströmming (sour herring), which they find inexplicable that anyone would eat. Food being "out there" is most definitely in the eye of the beholder.

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    11. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by AvalancheBurn · · Score: 0

      He just assumed, correctly it seems, that anyone posting on /. using we must either be talking about his mouse or his pet ferret.

    12. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      idunno, but eating the dry spittle of some cave dwelling bird seems universally unappealing. if you've ever seen the mess of feathers and shit in a birds nest you'll understand.

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    13. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... for cripes sake.

      Crepes and sake? Is that like beer and flapjacks?

    14. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Oh. I don't eat ferret, either.

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    15. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      each country has dishs that are odd for sure, but for pure volume of strange, it's hard to beat asians.

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    16. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm not trying to defend haggis, it's aweful, but atleast it's cooked.

      the fact is the japanese are into anything and everything, as proof i'll refer you to some crap called "swollows nest". i found the following description:

      "The swiftlet lives in dark caves, using a method of echolocation similar to the bat to get around. Instead of twigs and straw, the swiftlet makes its nest from strands of its own gummy saliva, which hardens when exposed to air."

      I doubt any westerner would see that on the side of a cave wall and think "YUM that looks like food"

      dont' get me wrong, i love oriental foods ( i went to a japanese resturant just 2 weeks ago). but they are definately more out there when it comes to what they will eat then we are.

      Swallows nest is traditionally a Chinese dish. Not Japanese.

    17. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by JanneM · · Score: 1

      "each country has dishs that are odd for sure, but for pure volume of strange, it's hard to beat asians."

      What, Asia is one country? You are collecting the weird foods of forty-odd different nations with completely different cultures spread over half the world and comparing to the foods of your own home.

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    18. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Cadallin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Which has what to do with eel? Eel is fucking delicious. Its not even "weird." Its just a long thin fish fillet.

      For what its worth, Eel consumption is also rather common in any area of Europe where Eel happens to be found, its not at all some "crazy" unique Japanese thing.

    19. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > i swear that culutre would eat anything, they make fish ice cream

      Yeah? Less than two days ago my sister was talking about how she wanted to try the chocolate-covered bacon recipe she saw in a Taste of Home magazine. Chocolate-covered bacon, no fooling. My dad said hey, if you're going to do that, why not take the idea to its logical conclusion and make bacon s'mores?

      Every country has some weird cuisine.

      Not that I'm volunteering to eat sushi. I like my fish cooked, thank you very much.

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    20. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > But hey, we eat haggis, lutefisk, scrapple, prarie oyster,
      > head cheese, rotting cheese. We're up there.

      Who is "we", exactly? I take it you're from Scotland (haggis), Scandinavia (lutefisk), *and* France (rotting cheese)? And where on earth do a significant percentage of the population eat head cheese or scrapple, to say nothing of "prairie oysters"? Nowhere, to my knowledge.

      Speaking as a Midwesterner, the weirdest thing "we" eat (and it should be noted that I personally don't) is probably ranch dressing (a condiment made from thickened seasoned buttermilk, commonly eaten on lettuce-based salads; about a quarter of the population will voluntarily eat the stuff).

      People from other parts of the country actually make fun of us for how tame our cuisine is. The standard joke is, in Ohio there are only three spices: salt, cinnamon, and ketchup. (This is an exaggeration, of course. We also put tiny amounts of ground cloves, nutmeg, or ginger in certain kinds of baked goods, and a few people even put black pepper on their food.)

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    21. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by vbraga · · Score: 1

      I had never heard of surströmming before. And after reading about it on Wikipedia I think I'm going to throw up. I'll never think again of Sweden as a civilized place. :(

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    22. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      asia is a continent not a country.

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    23. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > And I really don't want to know what parts of
      > the chicken go into delicious chicken nuggets.

      It's probably not as bad as you might think.

      It's not the breast meat, obviously, because there's too much market for that as chicken breasts. That's the most commercially valuable portion (probably mostly because of the way it's one great big piece with no bones and usually not too much fat). About 70% of the chicken meat that's sold as whole pieces, at least around here, is breast meat, even though it's about 20% of the meat on the chicken. The remainder of many of those chickens is left over, so it goes into processed chicken.

      Most of the rest of the chicken meat that's sold separately as whole pieces is drumsticks, sometimes with thighs attached, sometimes not. And lately restaurants have been selling a lot of Buffalo wings.

      But the other edible meat parts are not so prized for sale as separate pieces, so they mostly end up in processed chicken, including nuggets. So you're looking at the back, as much of the neck meat as they can easily get off the bones, a few of the thighs and legs, ... basically, it's meat. Not the highly-prized breast meat, but still meat.

      The worse thing about processed chicken is the fact that it's usually breaded and deep fried.

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    24. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by NulDevice · · Score: 1

      If anyone can beat the japanese, it's the Icelanders. Hakarl? Svid? I'll eat the "weird" things in the back of my local chinese deli, but I draw the line at icelandic rotted shark meat.

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    25. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > they're not fond of Root Beer. They say it tastes
      > "like the dentists office" whatever that means

      I bet I can guess.

      Flouride, in the kinds of concentrations that are needed to make an effective twice-a-year fluoride treatment, such as the one a dentist might give you as a child, has a fairly strong taste, which is widely considered unpleasant. In an attempt to make it more palatable, it is often "covered up" with strong food-treat flavors. The most popular flavor for this is a flavor called "bubble gum", but root beer is another one that sometimes gets used, and there are a couple of others as well. I think "grape" (like a cheap purple popsicle, not the flavor of actual grapes) might be another.

      Note that the bubble-gum fluoride treatments don't taste all that much like bubble gum, and the root beer ones don't taste all that much like root beer, and so on. The fluoride taste is unmistakably still present in all of them. But there *is* some resemblance to the nominal flavor, perhaps enough that, if you'd had the fluoride treatments repeatedly and learned to hate them before encountering bubble gum or root beer for the first time, you might have a negative reaction.

      American kids, of course, have all had bubble gum and root beer many times before they ever have the fluoride treatments, so they don't make the backwards association.

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    26. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      There is nothing in Haggis that can't be found in a Big Mac.

    27. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is nothing in Haggis that can't be found in a Big Mac.

      A better argument for not eating McDonald's fast food I've never heard. :-)

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    28. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Once you are done with relieving your stomach, google for a description of Nenets dish called kopalhem. Bon appetit!

    29. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that was the point; you say "each country" and then make a sweeping statement about "asians".

    30. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by wickerprints · · Score: 1

      Making statements on Japanese culture based on Iron Chef is only slightly less ridiculous than basing it based on Dragonball Z.

      You mean to tell me the Japanese don't secretly have monkey tails coiled up underneath their clothes, and that Sony is not a front for their quest for magical orbs?

    31. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pilgrims and native Americans had eel during the first Thanksgiving.

      According tot he Book of Armaments, most feasts are limited to lambs, and sloths, and amphibians, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats.

    32. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Honestly, haggis is pretty good. Just don't think about what it's made of and you'll be fine.

      The closest .us analog would be a spicy meatloaf - the textures are nearly identical.

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    33. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      There's nothing strange about unagi. Really, even the summary's characterization of it as a "delicacy" is inaccurate. In fact, any American sushi fan has eaten it many, many times.

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    34. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      Eel is fucking delicious.

      That's entirely a matter of taste, and not all of us enjoy fish (of any kind).

    35. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      True, they eat some seafood that we don't.

      The Japanese will eat absolutely anything that comes out of the sea so long as they have at least a good chance of not being poisoned to death by it if prepared properly. It's a kind of charming part of their culture, really.

      Why anyone decided squid was a good thing to fry up on a stick and eat is beyond me

      I dunno, this looks kinda tasty, doesn't it? I'd give it a try.

      Actually, I gave squid sushi a try not that long ago. It was ika-geso (squid legs) that looked not entirely unlike this except it was nigiri (some rice beneath it). It was kind of tasty and there was nothing gross about it. In retrospect, it seems silly now to be squeamish about it.

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    36. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Just don't think about what it's made of and you'll be fine.

      I dunno, just looking at the haggis recipe makes me want to try it - looks tasty to me...

      I suspect that in my country (Malaysia), they often have to import MSM and similar stuff to make nuggets, sausages etc - because over here stuff like liver, gizzards, lungs, stomach etc can just be packed just the way beef cuts and chicken wings are, and sold at supermarkets. People actually buy that stuff "as is". No need for disguise...

      A fair number of people here know the difference in taste and textures of cooked liver, heart, lungs, pancreas, stomach (apparently there are different "kitchen" names for the different stomachs too ) etc.

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    37. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "bird's nest" aka dried caked swiftlet saliva is not a stunt dish in China.

      It's supposedly a health food. A popular ingredient in various traditional chinese concoctions (food/drink) for post-partum mothers.

      Dried saliva does have a high protein content and other stuff. I don't know whether it really is good for health :).

      As for stunt dishes, I sometimes think that a lot of foods/dishes were probably invented/discovered by young men under the influence of alcohol...

      "Oh crap, looks like it's gone bad or something. Sure looks strange".
      "Hey Johansson/Wong/Sato/Sanna, I dare you to eat this".
      "Yeah, I bet he won't dare".
      Johansson/Wong/Sato/Sanna: "Oh yeah? How much?".

      Or very hungry people.

      I wonder which category casu marzu falls in :).

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    38. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      The locals in Gloucestershire have been priced out of the market by the Japanese... we cannot enjoy any elvers because the Japanese buyers come in and pay such ridiculous prices for fresh caught elvers that poaching is rife and the elver catch has crashed as a result... the current price is approx £250 a kilo!!!

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    39. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      You don't have to go to Malaysia for that - everything on your list, except possibly for pancreas, can be had at my butcher round the corner here in Germany, and is part of the regional cuisine. All that and kidneys, calf thymus, brains and whatnot. Is the idea that innards are somewhat disgusting an American thing or something? The more common ones like liver are found on basically every menu around here, and lung is considered the local speciality ("Saures Lüngerl" - sour lung):

      Fry sliced carrots, celery, onions, parsley root and leek in butter, add the finely sliced calf lung and fry shortly, dust with some flour then add calf fond and vinegar, season with salt, pepper, a bit of sugar, clovers, one or two bay leaves and cook for 60-80 minutes. Let it cool down and store it in the fridge for a day before reheating, reseasoning (especially with some more vinegar to get the right sour taste) and serving. Serve with dumplings. Great stuff. The important thing is to remove all the hard cartilaginous parts of the lung when slicing it.

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    40. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      What amuses me is how people will be disgusted by perfectly good haggis, but will happily wolf down inhuman quantities of industrially-produced meat grown in utterly sickening conditions. Boiled offal is bad, but chicken soaking in its own shit and disease-ridden pigs that need a constant stream of drugs to keep them alive are delicious?

    41. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Hard to beat the west really. The periods of deformed chickens are a staple at breakfast, and mouldy milk is considered a delicacy, especially when washed down with rancid grape juice.

    42. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by drsquare · · Score: 1

      It's usually mechanically-reclaimed meat, i.e. stuff that's hosed off the bone at high pressure through a sieve, resulting in a sort of slurry/paste.

    43. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by ozbird · · Score: 1
    44. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by ozbird · · Score: 1

      It's probably more important to ensure the lung is unrecognisable and drowned in vinegar (or in the case of haggis, whisky.)

      The same goes for the Aussie "meat" pie - finely chop/mince the "meat", smother it in gravy, conceal it in pastry, drown in tomato/HP/BBQ sauce. You'd almost think it was edible. ;-)

    45. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been to Scotland - I took one look at haggis and I suddenly didn't feel so international anymore.

      Lovely, more for us then.

      On a more serious note: if you're going to the effort of breeding, raising and killing an animal, the least you can do is not bloody waste any of it. Why do you think the tradition of charcuterie started?

    46. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Wait, when did they start putting black pepper in Big Macs? I call shenanigans...

    47. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Blue cheese seems to be produced in most Western European countries. Just looking through a list of blue cheeses on Wikipedia gives you Denmark, Italy, England, Spain and Finland in addition to France.

    48. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      We usually drown it in beer during consumption around here ;) On the serious side, as with most innards, preparation is anything - if done wrong, sour lung can be a gristly, vile gruel, if done done right, an absolute delicacy.

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    49. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      What exactly is "rotten" about blue cheese? The fact that it contains a microorganism? Can as well say goodbye to beer, bread and yogurt too, then. Some red-culture cheese like Munster might border on "rotten" if you go after the smell of a *really* ripe one - still damn tasty stuff, though.

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    50. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      If you find the grilled squid skewers on that picture tasty, I can only recommend to try it the Mediterranean way. Just grill the whole squid over charcoals, occasionally applying olive oil with garlic to it. Salt and pepper to taste, serve with a bowl of good, dark-green, fruity olive oil and a dash of lemon. Exquisite stuff.

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    51. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > It's usually mechanically-reclaimed meat

      Well, yes, obviously.

      In the first place it wouldn't be economic in the developed world to pay someone to manually pick all the meat off the bones piece by piece.

      Additionally, many Americans these days would also consider it unsanitary because oh, no, someone might have *touched* the meat, and it might have been up to five minutes since their last mandated use of hand sanitizer, and ewwww, gross, food isn't supposed to be *touched*. (This attitude is especially prevalent among people who mostly eat processed foods. People who eat a lot of home-cooked food are much less squeamish about such things, but those people aren't the main market for chicken nuggets.) If word got out that the meat were picked off the bones by hand, there could be a negative impact on sales. It's not worth the risk, especially when mechanical reclamation is so much cheaper anyway.

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    52. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > What exactly is "rotten" about blue cheese?

      Technically, blue cheese isn't rotten as such. It's moldy. Limburger is rotten.

      However, the distinction between "rotten" and "moldy" is lost on most Americans. And frankly, although I understand the distinction, I'm not sure I can say which is more distasteful. Neither is appetizing.

      I like a fair variety of cheeses. Off the top of my head I like cheddar (either mild or sharp), colby, longhorn, provolone, monterrey jack (including pepperjack), brick, motzarella, grated parmesan or romano, muenster, white American, and even some yellow American (but NOT the processed kind that comes in individually wrapped slices; that stuff just tastes fake, I'm sorry). I can even put up with a little Velveeta if it's baked into something that also has other cheeses in it (like cheddar for instance).

      But for all the variety, these cheeses that I like all have something in common: the culture is run to the point where the cheese is finished, and then it's halted (usually by heating), and any further steps are taken that are needed (such as pressing or draining) to complete the process. Only after this is the finished cheese shipped to the store, where you buy it, and it's NOT actively going bad. You don't find yourself saying things like, "Get the cheese to sickbay. The doctor should examine it immediately."

      Ah, well. People from some cultures (e.g., Korea) have been known to opine that all cheese is spoiled and nasty and that nobody in their right mind would want to eat it on purpose. So I guess that makes my position on cheese a moderate, centrist position, eh?

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    53. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Well, you take the centrist position, I'll be the extremist on the opposite site of the Koreans then. Haven't met a cheese too... biologically active... for me. Although I'd draw the line at casu marzu. Can't see why you don't like Limburger if you like Muenster, though - both are red-culture cheese with a thriving Brevibacterium culture on it. I generally don't find it necessary to halt the culture in any way - for certain kinds of cheese you just need a decent dealer who knows how to store them and who sells them too you at the exactly correct point of ripeness. Take it home, eat it. Stopping the culture by heating would not work with some sorts. Anyway, too each his own, de gustibus non est disputandum.

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    54. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      However, the distinction between "rotten" and "moldy" is lost on most Americans. And frankly, although I understand the distinction

      I'm not an American, but neither am I familiar with a meaning of the word "rotten" referring to food perishability (as opposed to the application to food of the same sense which can be applied to a night out) which doesn't include mouldiness.

    55. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Nimey · · Score: 1

      I'm from .us. I think it depends on where you grew up and what foods you're used to - I never ate any organ meats as a kid, so I'm not interested in trying them.

      My wife's family used to live on a farm, and they're used to eating e.g. chicken gizzards. She won't touch kidney, though, because of the taste, and tongue grosses her out because of the taste buds.

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    56. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      They probably mean the wintergreen in root beer reminds them of toothpaste? It always reminds me of toothpaste. Not enough to stop drinking it, though.

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    57. Re:japanese will eat anything i swear. by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1
      It gets better! Then we take the chicken shit and feed it to cows! It's Science!

      /me wishes she was making this up.

      /me started a farm this year, and is raising grass fed beef in addition to pastured poultry and rabbits. Don't ask about the Tilapia in the garage.

  8. A Solution? by IonOtter · · Score: 1

    FTA: "...a means to save the animal from overfishing and possible extinction have been found. "

    Actually, it's cheaper and better to simply stop fishing for them altogether for a few years. Just leave them alone and they'll come back reasonably quick, if you haven't, y'know, BUILT OVER their spawning beds or anything.

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    1. Re:A Solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's cheaper and better if you spend a few years actually learning what you're talking about.

      The unagi's spawning bed was only recently identified, as some sea mounts near Mariana Islands. Kind of hard to build over that.

  9. Good to see by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    I guess there's a small lamprey of hope for this fishery.

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  10. Think of the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hentai!!

  11. Great by burris · · Score: 1

    Maybe now I'll be able to get properly prepared fresh eel instead of that frozen, precooked, and precut crap that's reheated in a toaster oven and covered with sesame seeds.

  12. Bottomfeeder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Answer: stop eating fish. Sorry.

    Partly, but not completely. I highly recommend the book "Bottomfeeder" that covers this topic quite well:

    http://www.tarasgrescoe.com/excerpt.html

    The author recommends the following kinds if you want to eat sustainably:

    • Artic char; barramundi
    • Halibut, Pacific
    • Herring
    • Jellyfish (often used in salads and appetizers in restaurants)
    • Mackerel
    • Mullet
    • Oysters, mussels
    • Pickerel
    • Pollock (usually found in fish sticks and fast-food sandwiches)
    • Sablefish
    • Sardines
    • Squid (aka, calamari)
    • Trout
    • Whiting, blue

    There are also many ones that he recommends with provisos (e.g., shrimp, when farmed, are often treated with chemicals and shrimp farms are seriously messing many of the world's poorest countries (e.g., Thailand); farmed shrimp from Mexico though are actually one of the most responsibly produced).

    In general though a lot of the fish stocks are close to collapse in many parts of the world.

    Highly recommend you check out the book, and at only ~300 pages, it's quick, informative read.

    1. Re:Bottomfeeder by uncqual · · Score: 2, Funny

      • Mullet

      Should you eat the attached redneck also? Yuck.

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    2. Re:Bottomfeeder by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      I hear they're kinda gamy. There was another story where a couple Russians picked something a bit tastier. I could think of more entertaining things to do with her though. Looks like the guys involved could be tossed into a wood chipper, and no one would be upset in the least. I'd worry about staining the machine though. "Damn, he nicked the blade."

         

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  13. Unagi or Anago? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The OP mentions sushi and unagi. Unagi is traditionally served on a bowl rice in a donburi style, not as sushi.
    You shouldn't be able to find unagi in a Japanese sushi restaurant in Japan. You should find anago. One is from a river .. one is from the sea.
    Western sushi shops sell unagi since anago is rarely exported from japan.

    1. Re:Unagi or Anago? by rworne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny you mention that.

      Unagi is horribly expensive ($18/US per package) if you want the Japanese-sourced unagi. The Chinese unagi is much cheaper ($4-5/US per package), but there have been problems with the chemicals, antibiotics, and other crap they feed them.

      Anago is readily available here in Los Angeles at a moderate price, but unagi kabayaki is definitely where its at.

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  14. Dentist's office shouldn't have an aftertaste by wrencherd · · Score: 1

    If you think root beer tastes like the dentist's office, I'd say you're drinking the wrong root beer . . . and you should seriously reconsider allowing your dentist to put you under at your next cleaning.

    1. Re:Dentist's office shouldn't have an aftertaste by fizzding · · Score: 1

      Actually, root beer nowadays is primarily flavoured with wintergreen, among other things.

      If you ignore all the sugar in root beer it is actually quite minty.

  15. Sushi, sure, but more importantly, cookies! by Shag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unagi is a key ingredient in Unagi Pai, which I think is the yummiest cookie made with ground-up eel bones in the whole world. :)

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    1. Re:Sushi, sure, but more importantly, cookies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      For those that don't know it (which I assume is over 99% of the population here on /.), Unagi Pai (Eel Pie) is not what it sounds like. Neither is eel a major ingredient, nor is it really a pie. It's a Japanese cookie made and sold mainly around Hamanako, which is famous for it's Unagi. The whole idea being that "If we're gonna make some confection that will sell, we might as well add a twist" and thus just a very small volume of eel bone powder is added to what is otherwise a sweet baked pie shell cookie. And yes, it does taste quite good.

      That said, baking eel bones to a crispy crunchy texture makes for a very, very nice cracker. As disgusting as it may sound to most people that haven't grown up with fish being a major part of their diet (= just not very accustomed), it actually tastes nothing like sea food. I would actually compare it more to crispy bacon, with less fat, and more crisp.

  16. The Japanese Ministry of Agriculture ... by DriedClexler · · Score: 5, Funny

    So is *this* finally an example of something the Japanese Ministry of Agriculture is in charge of? Because I know we ruled out their authority with respect to Gundum.

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    1. Re:The Japanese Ministry of Agriculture ... by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Informative

      Parent refers to the following 2007 news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7029685.stm. Quote from the article:

      Japan's Agriculture Ministry has reprimanded six civil servants who spent hours at work editing articles on Wikipedia - mainly about robots. [...] "The Agriculture Ministry is not in charge of Gundam," ministry official Tsutomu Shimomura told the Associated Press news agency.

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  17. great by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    now if they can only do the same thing for bluefin tuna, while it's still extant.

  18. Hovercraft? by BetterSense · · Score: 1

    私のホーバークラフトは、鰻でいっぱいです。

    Does slashdot not like Japanese?

    "Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)"

    1. Re:Hovercraft? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I've had it with these motherfucking eels on this motherfucking hovercraft!

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  19. That's great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wake me when they can clone vending machine panties.

  20. Unagi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eel 8-[

  21. Recipe For Collapse by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    The problem with farmed fish is that their environment is not as varied and robust, as diverse, as the natural one they evolved to thrive in. Which is why salmon farms, for example, breed unhealthier fish, and not infrequently collapse. Even land farms turn into incubators for very serious diseases, like mad cow etc.

    Free range farming is the most sustainable. When the eel population collapses, there's more going wrong than just less eels for our sushi. The canary in the coal mine problem isn't fixed by simply keeping canaries in zoos.

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  22. I am an eel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watashiwa unagi da.

    It is okay to laugh. Thank you, linguists!

  23. Unagi = Delicious by Anenome · · Score: 1

    Hell yeah, unagi is my absolute favorite sushi of all time. If you've never had it, find a good sushi place and try it (emphasis on 'good'). And since it's actually served cooked, you wussies can't complain :P It's also served with an absolutely delicious teriyaki sauce.

    Close behind that one: ama ebi ^_^

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  24. There are *VAST* wild Unagi stocks! by An+Ominous+Cow+Erred · · Score: 1

    Unagi infestations are actually a HUGE problem along the U.S. gulf coast! A long time ago, some enterprising farmer tried raising unagi for the Japanese-American market, and some managed to escape. They are now a huge problem in places like Florida and Alabama, where they outcompete and kill off native fish species, foul nets, etc. They're considered a massive pest fish and there have long been attempts at finding ways to poison them, etc.

    A much better solution would be to just eat the damn things. We can export tons of these wild unagi to the Japanese if we decide to. There is currently NO shortage of them.

    1. Re:There are *VAST* wild Unagi stocks! by An+Ominous+Cow+Erred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually I should clarify, because I wasn't being quite honest or accurate in my previous post. The invasive species in the South East U.S. is a different species than the eels in question in the article. The pest fish that escaped the farms is the Asian Swamp Eel. While it is often sold as "unagi" and is somewhat analogous in flavor, the specific eel in question is the Japanese Eel, which does not live in the Western Hemisphere. The Asian Swamp Eel is actually from a different taxonomic order.

      The closest analog in the Western Hemisphere is the American Eel, which is also endangered, partly due to the invasion of the Asian Swamp Eel.

      That said, the Asian Swamp Eel works perfectly fine in similar roles, and is quite tasty. Unfortunately you can't really call it "unagi" in a respectable Japanese fish market, even if it's called that when sold in many fish markets outside of Japan.

  25. Whats this got to do with /. ? by QuasiRob · · Score: 0

    I've read the article and there's nothing really "tech" about it. Why exactly is this on slashdot?

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