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Woman Tells State Judiciary Committee, "DoD Implanted A Microchip Inside Me"

The Georgia House Judiciary Committee took up a bill that would "prohibit requiring a person to be implanted with a microchip," and would make violating the ban a misdemeanor. Things started to get weird at the hearing when a woman who described herself as a resident of DeKalb County told the committee, "I'm also one of the people in Georgia who has a microchip." Not sure of what she was trying to say, she was allowed to continue and added, "Microchips are like little beepers. Just imagine, if you will, having a beeper in your rectum or genital area, the most sensitive area of your body. And your beeper numbers displayed on billboards throughout the city. All done without your permission." Further prodding revealed that the woman's co-workers would torture her by activating the chips with their cell phones and that the chips were implanted by "researchers with the federal government." The committee thanked the woman for her input, and later approved the bill.

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  1. Well doy by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course they did...look at that little "microchip"! Can you say mini-dildo? Because I can.

    1. Re:Well doy by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      If that were true, I'd imagine these things would work wonders on raising company morale on handling after-hours support calls or server outages. They'd take down the servers just to get another hit. Hm... Maybe that's a bad idea.

    2. Re:Well doy by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Of course they did...look at that little "microchip"! Can you say mini-dildo?

      The other ladies in the study said "Is it in yet?"

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  2. We need a new subsidy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every American should have a right to a tinfoil hat.

    1. Re:We need a new subsidy by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

      Every American should have a right to a tinfoil hat.

      Sounds like in this case, that's not the body part that needs to be wrapped in tinfoil.

  3. Imagine office parties by OdoylesRule · · Score: 2, Funny

    where everyone had one of these to "torture" each other with. ;)

  4. Vote for best sentence in summary by dbcad7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The committee thanked the woman for her input,

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    1. Re:Vote for best sentence in summary by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      The committee thanked the woman for her input,

      ... and then asked her if they could have some of whatever it was that she was smoking.

      Just imagine, if you will, having a beeper in your rectum or genital area, the most sensitive area of your body.

      I think that I'll opt out from everything you said after "imagine" . . . Let's just skip that part.

      Further prodding revealed that the woman's co-workers would torture her by activating the chips with their cell phones . . .

      M'kay . . .

      . . . and that the chips were implanted by "researchers with the federal government."

      Finally! My tax dollars going toward something useful! To think that we could get some honest work out of government researchers!"

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    2. Re:Vote for best sentence in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a researcher for the Federal Government, I can assure you that we have no greater priority than to get microchips into the private parts of every crazy, nutjob, and tin-foil hat wearing psycho. Cell phone activated implanted beepers are invaluable in helping us sift through your garbage and public library records.

      (p.s. The tinfoil hats make it easier for us to know that you know who we are. Thanks for your cooperation, we'll be sure to pay you a vist.)

    3. Re:Vote for best sentence in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and then they made a call so the 'nice young men in their clean white coats' would be waiting outside for her with a hug-yourself-all-day jacket just for her as they tell her she's won an all expenses paid vacation to Happytown in the Napoleon The Fourteenth lottery.

      (Bonus points to anyone that can name all the references in that. If you don't get at least one of them, you have no funny bone.)

      In all seriousness, I highly suspect that woman needs to get help, but the issue of anyone/anyplace requiring the implantation of ID or Tracking chips/devices is insane. There is one company that is reported to do that at one facility. (Veracity of report unknown)
      It should also be way above misdemeanor.

    4. Re:Vote for best sentence in summary by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      ...and asked to subscribe to her newsletter.

  5. Hmmmm by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Misdemeanor is a pretty light punishment for something such as this.

    1. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Misdemeanor is a pretty light punishment for something such as this.

      Agreed. Making up tin-foil-hat crap like this should be at least a minor felony - Felony Stupid.

      Believing her is Felony Stupider.

    2. Re:Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be plausible that this woman was "chipped". Think about it, you have a schizophrenic who may not always be able to give their identity who may also be in and out of the hospital for various other reasons. So the hospital uses the Verichip to tag. It's starting to be more commonly used for elderly invalids as well.

      Anyway, if this is the case, it is a pretty mild punishment.

    3. Re:Hmmmm by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      A Misdemeanor is a pretty light punishment for something such as this.

      Well, they are only micro-dildos (see picture) after all.

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  6. er.. by mewt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait WHAT ?

  7. The problem... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that while the woman in question is almost definitely out to lunch, and could probably use some psych help, the notion that somebody would implant a microchip in you has gone from "automatically crazy" to "must be dismissed as crazy based on the specific facts of the case".

    Welcome to the future.

    1. Re:The problem... by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Interesting

      She absolutely needs psych help; a LOT of paranoia here, not just re. the government planting the chip, but thinking her coworkers were torturing her.
      My wife use to work at a university insect ID lab and got a LOT of "samples" (ie. fuzz, lint, or just an empty bottle) from people with delusional parasitosis. This woman has the same thing, only a little more high-tech.

    2. Re:The problem... by recrudescence · · Score: 1

      specifically, welcome to the Overton Window way of doing things

    3. Re:The problem... by gtall · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, my coworkers torture me even without an implant.

    4. Re:The problem... by fearlezz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Being paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

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    5. Re:The problem... by xonar · · Score: 1

      it is a sad truth

    6. Re:The problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_the_%22Influencing_Machine%22_in_Schizophrenia

    7. Re:The problem... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      She's investigated Morgellon's? How cool - I've always thought Morgellon's was an interesting experiment in people's beliefs vs the medical establishment.

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    8. Re:The problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, but we are. :)

    9. Re:The problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially when the "medical establishment" (AKA a group of crazy nurses and alt-med practitioners) jump all over the fake disease. Fake as in doesn't exist, isn't fake in that the "symptoms" exist, whether delusional parasitosis, entirely psychosomatic, or some other cause.

    10. Re:The problem... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you saying that my Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome aren't real?!?!? I'll have you know I got a qualified diagnosis from a nice doctor in Van Nuys who prescribed marijuana for the problem.

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    11. Re:The problem... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I know that's why my users call me.

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    12. Re:The problem... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Contrapositively, just because they are after you doesn't mean you aren't paranoid.

    13. Re:The problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its actually not, this goes back as far as WWII - you can purchase black market chips now for your kids. Where do you think the BM got the chips from, the Government. This is common sense stuff, easy rule of thumb, while this lady might be crazy, if a normal person can imagine a technology, someone with no tech background, then the Government has already built it. And the program she mentions is an actual program used to test a future technology similar to minority report, except with a chip, not your eyes. Its original intent was not advertising, but thats one of its applications. (as in the movie)

  8. As a resident of Dekalb county... by sacremon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it was probably CDC, not the DoD, that did it. CDC is based in a neighboring county (Fulton) and has offices in Dekalb. Definitely not county officials, though. The county police just shoot people.

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    1. Re:As a resident of Dekalb county... by zero_out · · Score: 1

      It was probably her imagination, not reality, that did it. Imagination is based in a person's brain, and snuck into her consciousness. Definitely not reality, though. Reality is actually scarier than her imagination.

    2. Re:As a resident of Dekalb county... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why does she beep every time she goes through airport scanners?
      They must have inserted it when they were putting that plate in her head after a severe head injury.

      oh hang on...

    3. Re:As a resident of Dekalb county... by Zantac69 · · Score: 1

      /laughs - I was about to post "As a resident of Georgia, it is unfortunate how the people from Georgia that should not get press time...always seem to get the press time."

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  9. A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Prien715 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Driving home after two beers or smoking the wrong plant is a more serious crime than planning on sticking a microchip under someone's skin for the explicit purpose of tracking them.

    Weird priorities.

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  10. What did she do to get to that point, we can learn by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This proves that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

    This woman must be doing something right for them to write up a bill specifically for HER to get her to "stfu and gtfo already" about the government planting chips in her body.

    I can just see it now "thank you, ok aye votes? motion passed" *she leaves the floor* *some legislators laugh into their sleeves* "NOW, on to real issues".

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  11. And we let these "people" vote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully the SECRET GOVERNMENT CHIP sterilized her.

    Perhaps one day we can get 138th trimester abortion legalized.

  12. Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Christian eschatology declares that the End Times will see a split of the human race into faithful and the non-believers. The faithful will not take the "Mark of the Beast" and will suffer economically because of it. By rejecting the MotB, they will be excluded from all transactions and be essentially outcasts from the new society.

    However, because of their steadfastness, they will not be condemned to hell upon the second coming of Jesus. Those who take the Mark will be torn asunder and cast into the pits of hell.

    Many believe that the MotB is or will be something similar to this type of microchip implant. By grafting the mark to a person, any transaction can be monitored and tracked. This is one of the methods of governmental control via the MotB.

    This lady was clearly insane. But there are MANY people out there who believe in exactly what I wrote above. These are your neighbors, Americans.

    1. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We need a +1 Paranoid mod.

      Just adapt the preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation and you'll be fine.

    2. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just adapt the preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation and you'll be fine.

      Shouldn't a religious interpretation be based on what you believe the applicable holy book actually says, not what you want it to mean? The 'just interpret it like this' method is what brings us Muslim terrorism and the Westboro Baptist Church's "God Hates Fags" go-out-and-protest-a-funeral tactics.

      Personally, I find the preterist view fails to explain many bits, not least of which was the mark of the beast. When were Jews forced to receive a phyiscal marking in order to perform commerce?

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    3. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Wot? Westboro baptist and co. would be the first to claim that they "just believe what it says" without interpreting it. You see the same in legal interpretation: the most nutty claim that they're not interpreting the law at all, just reading what it says.

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    4. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      Many believe that the MotB is or will be something similar to this type of microchip implant.

      And before the invention of the microchip, it was barcodes. Before barcodes, it was tatoos...

    5. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You forgot barcode tattoos.

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    6. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      Right, but despite what they say that's exactly what's happening.

      Regardless, my intent was to point out that no good can come from interpreting a religious text differently because it made something more convenient or to further one's own purposes. Why promote an interpretation for a reason other than its truth?

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    7. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      "When were Jews forced to receive a phyiscal marking in order to perform commerce?"

      Around 1938. A big yellow star with 'Juden' on it, identifying you as a Jew. Suddenly with that star you couldn't do business in some places and were forced to go to Juden-catering places (which were often shut down as Germany went forward with the ethnic cleansing.)

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    8. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      While plausible, it fails to fit within the preterist viewpoint, which says that the events of Revelation took place before it was written, which was significantly prior to the 1930's.

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    9. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      I'd say both the islamic terrorists and the Westboro baptists use a more literal interpretation of their respective scripture than the mainstream, and are less prone to let common sense or decency alter that interpretation without a factual basis.

      If you think the Bible/Quran is the literal truth rather than a spiritual guideline, then yes, god hates fags, and wants you to kill non-believers.

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    10. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Shit. You're exactly right - I was wondering what on earth this was about... now it all makes "sense". Ugh

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    11. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Because "the book" is thousands of pages and has massive internal contradictions, all of "what it says" is an interpretation.

      Not to mention that we're actually talking about a middle-ages translation of an ancient text, combined with a collection of a number of after-the-fact letters written about events, which, in many cases, were third hand accounts of events where the original author likely was not even present, which were hand-selected hundreds of years later by a pseudo-political organization, likely modified during dictation and then subjected to multiple translations from several archaic languages.

      Yeah "just what it says".

      Derp

    12. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      If you think the Bible/Quran is the literal truth rather than a spiritual guideline, then yes, god hates fags, and wants you to kill non-believers.

      While The Bible indeed does call homosexuality a sin, it calls many other things sins as well. It also gives everyone forgiveness for their sins, should they ask (New Testament, of course). Note that Jesus ate dinner with prostitutes, rather than condemning them for their sins. The WBC ignores this point for the sake of pushing their agenda.

      Similarly, my understanding is that the Quran has similar prohibitions against killing of innocents, women, children, or any soldier who is not holding a weapon. This would similarly preclude terrorism.

      It's not due to using a more literal translation (although they are more likely to do so than those in the mainstream), that just makes them conservative. Their 'fundamentalist extremism' comes from taking individual teachings, while ignoring the rest.

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    13. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that religion is about truth.

      It's like any other bureaucracy. Once established, it only seeks to perpetuate itself.

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    14. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      You seem to think it's about bureaucracy. Just because many (or most) treat it as such doesn't make it the primary purpose.

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    15. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by operagost · · Score: 1

      Trust me, you have not done enough research to back up what you assert. First of all, there are no "contradictions" in the Bible that have not been addressed by theologians. Second, most Bible translations are from the original language. We don't have the original texts, but if that was a criterion then we would have to discard nearly every manuscript from antiquity. They're on papyrus or parchment-- it doesn't survive forever. Finally, all the rest of your comments are mere speculation-- again, because you don't know the fact and are merely extrapolating in the way you see fit. I'd recommend doing more research if you're really interested in debating these kinds of topics.

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    16. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mark of the beast is an easy one so long as you don't try to make the text more literal than it really supports (e.g. locusts = black helicopters??). Rev. 13:7 says that the mark is the name or the number of the beast. The 3rd of the Ten Commandments requires that people not take upon themselves the name of the Lord in a blasphemous manner (this isn't about using "Jesus Christ" as an injection, it's about calling oneself a Christian and then acting in a manner completely contrary to the example and commands of Christ, thus making a mockery of what Christianity is supposed to be - n.b. I'm interpreting this in the context of the New Testament revelation though I realize the Ten Commandments were given long before the advent of Christ). Taking the name of the beast is to be called his servant or his subject. When Pilate presented Christ to the Jews and said, "Behold the king of the Jews!" They responded, "We have no king but Caesar!" In that instant they marked themselves as the servants of the beast. They also said to Pilate, "His blood be on our hands and on our children's hands." As a result, literally they and their children suffered judgment for their actions in 70AD.

      I should also point out that much antisemitism finds its root in the passages surrounding the crucifixion of Christ and the expectation that the Jews will eventually be punished for their part in that event. The preterist interpretation nixes that completely since it says that the Jews that were at fault have already been punished and there is no cause for us to maintain some grievance against them to this day.

    17. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      First of all, there are no "contradictions" in the Bible that have not been addressed by theologians

      ROFL.

      I think we were just talking about "interpretation", weren't we?

      I find it highly ironic that there are at least a dozen different sects (or uhm, denominations) where there are pretty vast differences in interpretation, all with "scripture" reference.

      The fact that the bible specifically condones slavery and stoning might fly for Muslims, but not so much for Christians. I'm sure your particular sect's opinion is that some newer text says that these things don't apply anymore. I'm not quite sure how this justifies a variety of absurd crap like avoiding red meat on fridays during a certain month, but some believe that too.

      Half of the world's Christian population buys the Lev 18:22 view of homosexuality but 99% of them reject the 11:22 view of unholy shellfish.

      Srsly?

      I won't even go into technicalities of translations, except that there are clearly a variety of issues that have been pointed out over the years, not the least of which is the fact that the "gospels" were written between 50 and 150 years after the events took place, after the authors had been traveling together preaching the story for their entire life as a means of livelihood. The fact that they are textually identical in a number of accounts (75-100 years after the fact?) simply reinforces the probability that it was all a carefully chosen fabrication from the authors, unless, of course, you choose to believe it was all divinely inspired, which really makes one question the areas of the four gospels that textually DISAGREE about certain events.

      pfft.

      I won't even go into some of the other same-era scrolls that have been found that directly contradict (like some of the Dead Sea scrolls, etc).

      Just the whole stupid arc and flood story.. yeesh.

      And God put dinosaur bones in the ground just to fool us, did he?

      Or perhaps he was just being metaphorical when he was talking about creating things in 6 days?

      I just don't get what sort of "research" is required here.

      I'd recommend trying some blind faith if you're really interested in debating these kinds of topics.

      There, I fixed that for you.

    18. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      We don't have the original texts, but if that was a criterion then we would have to discard nearly every manuscript from antiquity.

      Oh yeah, and almost every manuscript from antiquity is regarded with a healthy dose of skepticism because of the likelihood of point-modifications by previous copies.

      The more politically polarizing the text, the less it is treated as direct reference and the more is assumed about what might have been changed in the process. That's pretty standard anthropology.

      But, of course, the KJV bible is the unaltered word of Jeebus.

      http://www.av1611.org/kjv/fight.html#fight2

      Yep.

    19. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's "Jude", German for "Jew", not "Juden", German for "Jews".

      It's not even that hard to verify what was written in the yellow star, just do a google image search...

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    20. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by AnotherUsername · · Score: 1

      Didn't people also believe that barcodes were the Mark of the Beast? And RFID on packaging? And the Dollar? And the Euro? And now there is the implantable microchip. People, make up your mind already! I need to know which random technology to abhor and shout against!

      While I am not in favor of implantable microchips, this has more to do with the speed of evolution in technology vs. length of my life and privacy fears rather than any religious apocalyptic fear.

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    21. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is not possible to read a text without selecting an interpretation.

      But you are severely ignorant about Bible history. Most Christians use 20-century translations, based on texts in the original language (koine greek) - and they use the oldest fragments they can find. That going through an intermediate language results in inaccuracy was well understood even in the middle ages. No serious translations do that.

      Koine greek may be an archaic language, but it is extremely well-studied, and there are lots of samples.

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    22. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Multiple translations = KJV, NIV, etc.

      I've seen some pretty interesting discussions regarding the originality of the gospel texts being likely Aramaic and then later translated to Koine Greek, which actually explains away some of the contradictions or apparent logical gaps, but then leaves you with the concept of further translation errors...

      I dunno, there's about a 500 year gap from "supposedly happened" to "have a consistent text".

      In the era, that's a pretty substantial gap to justify undying faith upon.

      But if you have undying faith, I'm sure you'll manage. :-)

    23. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      I find it highly ironic that there are at least a dozen different sects (or uhm, denominations) where there are pretty vast differences in interpretation, all with "scripture" reference.

      For the most part, these are cases of issues not covered directly. But nobody said people were perfect followers or interpreters.

      Half of the world's Christian population buys the Lev 18:22 view of homosexuality but 99% of them reject the 11:22 view of unholy shellfish.

      Srsly?

      That's because they have read Romans 1:26 which corroborates the judgment that homosexuality is wrong, and 1 Corinthians 7:18 which corroborates that the Levitical practicises that come with circumcision are unnecessary for salvation through Jesus. This is repeated elsewhere. Again, only a problem if you ignore the rest of the Bible.

      I won't even go into technicalities of translations, except that there are clearly a variety of issues that have been pointed out over the years, not the least of which is the fact that the "gospels" were written between 50 and 150 years after the events took place, after the authors had been traveling together preaching the story for their entire life as a means of livelihood. The fact that they are textually identical in a number of accounts (75-100 years after the fact?) simply reinforces the probability that it was all a carefully chosen fabrication from the authors, unless, of course, you choose to believe it was all divinely inspired, which really makes one question the areas of the four gospels that textually DISAGREE about certain events.

      The original texts are assumed to have been written after 50AD, based on assumptions of usual first writing compared to date of first manuscript (itself an inexact science). How confident are you that there is absolutely no way they were written by first-parties?

      And I'll pull an Occam's Razor here: if 4 accounts of a person's life have identical text, is it not a simpler explanation that all 4 witnessed the same thing, rather than that they formed a conspiracy to manufacture a religion and intentionally littered it with inconsistencies?

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    24. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      This lady was clearly insane. But there are MANY people out there who believe in exactly what I wrote above.

      They are also very possibly insane.

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    25. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original texts are assumed to have been written after 50AD, based on assumptions of usual first writing compared to date of first manuscript (itself an inexact science). How confident are you that there is absolutely no way they were written by first-parties?

      And I'll pull an Occam's Razor here: if 4 accounts of a person's life have identical text, is it not a simpler explanation that all 4 witnessed the same thing, rather than that they formed a conspiracy to manufacture a religion and intentionally littered it with inconsistencies?

      I usually don't bother arguing with irrational, delusional psychopaths, but this caught my eye.

      The gospels date to between 65 CE and 110 CE. The earliest of them references events that happen in 60 CE - 62 CE. Your line about "assumptions of usual first writing compared to date of first manuscript" is pure bullshit.

      You're also forgetting the small matter of life expectancy. Until very recently, 25-28 years was all you could expect to get. 35 if you were very very lucky. That would be like living to 95 today. The numbers just don't add up. The authors of the gospels were not around to witness anything. It's not like they had to conspire, either. Christianity has been exploited for political gain by individuals CONSTANTLY since before it even got started.

      That's all I felt like saying. Not going to bother with more, people like you don't WANT to think.

    26. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Note that Jesus ate dinner with prostitutes, rather than condemning them for their sins."

      Whot? My gardner dines with whores?
      Not with what I pay him.

    27. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank fuck I don't live in America...

    28. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      I usually don't bother arguing with irrational, delusional psychopaths, but this caught my eye.

      The gospels date to between 65 CE and 110 CE. The earliest of them references events that happen in 60 CE - 62 CE. Your line about "assumptions of usual first writing compared to date of first manuscript" is pure bullshit.

      Right, and the gospels are dated to 65-110AD because the earliest papyrus found dates from 100-250AD. It's always assumed that your oldest copy of the document isn't the original, unless you have some way of knowing that to be the case. That's my only point: we're within the margin of error on the calculations, the gospels could have been written by the original disciples.

      I also think that your dating at earliest referenced events being 60AD is a little... late. Pilate's reign ended in 36AD.

      You're also forgetting the small matter of life expectancy. Until very recently, 25-28 years was all you could expect to get. 35 if you were very very lucky. That would be like living to 95 today. The numbers just don't add up. The authors of the gospels were not around to witness anything.

      Herod the Great lived 70 years, reigning for about 40, and Herod Antipas lived beyond 60. It's not unreasonable that a group of religious ascetics in good physical fitness (nearly all were day laborers) and abstaining from unhealthy vices couldn't live to 50 and beyond.

      It's not like they had to conspire, either. Christianity has been exploited for political gain by individuals CONSTANTLY since before it even got started.

      I assume you would be referring to Christianity before it was written down? Otherwise, how do you use something that doesn't exist for political gain?

      That's all I felt like saying. Not going to bother with more, people like you don't WANT to think.

      I'm not trying to convince you that these are proofs of what I believe. However, I don't see any of these pieces of evidence so unlikely as to refute my view that the Gospels were written by first-hand witnesses. Unlikely, yes, but not disproven.

      Of course, we're at an impasse, I'm starting with the assertion that Jesus was the son of God, you're starting with the assertion that the Gospels are a fabrication. All the numbers above make both answers plausible, but you're making just as many assumptions as I am, so don't presume yourself to be more 'logical'. You have just as much of a philosophical/spiritual/whatever axe to grind as I do.

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    29. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by peterbu · · Score: 1

      Your description refers to Premillennial Dispensationalism which is less than 200 years old and largely limited to the United States. Historical Christianity does not subscribe to this view taking a more symbolic view on the "Mark of the Beast" beast passage that it refers to those who adopt the practices/faith of the world(essentially non-believers) and thereby are not believers of the gospel message(Grace and Favor to those who believe in Christ's perfect life death and resurrection). The view you shared is probably less than 10% of Christianity as no Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Orthodox, (and many others) subscribes to that view. That said, it is the one that seems to get all the attention lately. Lastly, you did say many people believe it and I can't argue with that; just trying to point out that most Christians worldwide do not.

    30. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      Not quite. Before barcodes, it was the Social Security Number.

    31. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Ignoring your theology for a moment ... +1 Paranoid? Wouldn't that be -1 Paranoid?

      I don't want to read MORE paranoid rantings.

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    32. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Of course, we're at an impasse, I'm starting with the assertion that Jesus was the son of God, you're starting with the assertion that the Gospels are a fabrication. All the numbers above make both answers plausible, but you're making just as many assumptions as I am, so don't presume yourself to be more 'logical'. You have just as much of a philosophical/spiritual/whatever axe to grind as I do.

      I agree with this statement to a limited point.

      It's topically accurate in context of the current discussion.

      On a more relevant use of occam's razor, I would like to point out that the belief of the gospels as accurate and divine accounts of the events is the foundation of your faith, but merely an offshoot (and a trivial one, at best) of ours.

      The fact that there is an impasse on this topic is a bit irrelevant, because I don't require these documents to have been written on a certain date by a certain person who witnessed a certain event that was inspired in a certain way and was worded in a certain fashion in a certain language which lead to a perfect translation for my own belief system to be self-supporting.

      In fact, my own belief has really nothing to do with some ancient manuscripts.

      If Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all lived to 70-100 years old (as would have been required by the estimated dating of the original documents) AND sent these letters, we're still left with letters from 70-100 year old guys recounting magic tricks from their youth, 50-80 years earlier, all written 1,975 years ago as the sole basis for an entire belief system, which I'm still not convinced is even internally consistent.

      I have to admit, when something like Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was written, it was a pretty far fetched concept.

      But the fact that something like 7 million individual examples have been found, none of which undermine the fundamental concept... and the fact that disparate studies, such as radioactive dating is brought in and almost exactly matches early guesses of the ages of things. And when theories about geologic formations of rocks are hatched independently but then exactly match with theories about the evolution of animals in such an environment and then later, those exact animals are found in the exact rock strata...

      And the sheer volume of contradiction with these findings that a literal (or even semi-literal) reading of holy texts must endure...

      I used to buy into the media crap about "we're just not quite sure". But when it comes down to it, a literal reading of the bible as an ancient factual text just deflates so completely that it's almost worthless.

      That makes it very difficult to even approach the allegorical value, let alone the value as an exact, word-for-word account of historical events (not even bringing to bear, the religious significance).

      Oye, so many holes, it's blinding to even try to approach all of them.

      Do you believe the earth was flooded completely enough to wipe out all living things, just 6000 years ago?

      Do you think a sufficient genetic pool of every animal on earth could fit on a boat... even a boat constructed with the best modern alloys and composites? For months? And then repopulate the entire earth (even the non-attached continents) in just a few decades?

      Did you know that people who start from the basis of believing this book claim that the grand canyon was carved in 1 week and the end of the flood? :-P

      Were dinosaur bones put there to fool me and the other unbelievers? Or is the entire old-book just an allegory?

      Do you find it at all ironic that after hundreds of years of putting together a pretty good estimate about evolutionary heritage, that modern DNA sequencing and the concept of genetic drift would almost exactly corroborate these theories?

    33. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      The fact that there is an impasse on this topic is a bit irrelevant, because I don't require these documents to have been written on a certain date by a certain person who witnessed a certain event that was inspired in a certain way and was worded in a certain fashion in a certain language which lead to a perfect translation for my own belief system to be self-supporting.

      Perfectly understandable, and I don't think my post applies to your point of view. It was only to the AC who erroneously claimed that the Gospels could not have been written by first-hand witnesses. And, more importantly, that AC appeared more bullheaded and short-sighted than he claimed I am. But mostly, he was just plain wrong in his supporting 'evidence'.

      I wouldn't presume you to be as irrational and unwise as above AC.

      Were dinosaur bones put there to fool me and the other unbelievers? Or is the entire old-book just an allegory?

      Do you find it at all ironic that after hundreds of years of putting together a pretty good estimate about evolutionary heritage, that modern DNA sequencing and the concept of genetic drift would almost exactly corroborate these theories?

      I'm split, actually. It certainly seems that our universe is billions of years old. However, I'm not one to presume that if God could create the Universe, He also couldn't create it in 6 days 6,000 years ago and make it appear billions of years old (along with all the evolutionary clues that go along with it).

      My gut feeling is that since time really has no meaning to an omnipotent and omnipresent diety, 6 days of creation need not have a direct corelation to 144 hours as we experience them. I'm probably also wrong. Of more importance to me is the 'why' and 'what' of creation, not the 'how' becasue it's much less significant.

      As to the rest of the things, it goes back to a question of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent (which I believe he is), then he certainly could do all of those things. Surely you see the fallacy in claiming that a diety who can do all things can't exist because things have been attributed to him which are 'impossible'.

      I'm more interested that your list of things he couldn't do didn't include 'ressurect the dead, on two occassions', or 'allow two people to walk on open water', or 'split the Red Sea allowing the Jews to walk across on dry land but the Egyptians following them to be drowned'. Any particular reason? Simply because of the body of scientific literature, or that they are harder to believe?

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    34. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Well, the list of things that couldn't be done isn't mine... but let me address a few for fun.

      The concept of walking on water, for example, has references far older than the bible. It's a pretty common magic trick, if you're willing to swallow the claim it may be just a parlour trick (and this is all assuming, again, that the original observations are, in fact, true).

      There are also a number of references to this trick having been performed on various types of shoals and reefs, where a boat may float at anchor, but a wise seaman could position it in such a way that he could virtually step off the side into only inches of water. You might assume that would be obviously visible to others, but if I recall, many who reported it were not seafaring people and may have rarely been out on open water.

      There is an interesting anthropologic reference to the red sea. Anthropologists have traced the historical path of the jews out of Egypt. It's pretty well accepted that this would have happened, and it would have taken them very close tto a large bog type swamp. Locals used to map gaps in the swamp, where a person could walk clean across the entire area, but those who were not familiar with the area would wade into a bog and often drown (especially if wearing armour).

      Again, assuming that this story is close to literal and isn't the great imagination of the storyteller, it's entirely plausible that they passed a swampy offshooot of the Red Sea, walked across a known land-bridge and watched the armies behind them perish in the bogs, figuratively "splitting" the red sea.

      Of course, our vision of Charleton Heston holding his staff in front of a massive wall of water is spiffy and all, but there isn't much more than that to go on. :-)

      As for resurrection, I have no idea, except it's not impossible to fake someone's death, especially given sufficient collaboration with outsiders and sufficient time to plan. It's also quite possible to make up such statements. As it has been said, nobody of any historical significance SAW any resurrected people. If I recall, the eye-witnesses were always "the faithful" and/or "random joe who couldn't possibly dispute the claim" which makes them a dubious claim as far as historical accuracy is concerned.

      Isn't this fun?

    35. Re:Georgia will be a safe haven after the Rapture by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      The concept of walking on water, for example, has references far older than the bible. It's a pretty common magic trick, if you're willing to swallow the claim it may be just a parlour trick (and this is all assuming, again, that the original observations are, in fact, true).

      There are also a number of references to this trick having been performed on various types of shoals and reefs, where a boat may float at anchor, but a wise seaman could position it in such a way that he could virtually step off the side into only inches of water. You might assume that would be obviously visible to others, but if I recall, many who reported it were not seafaring people and may have rarely been out on open water.

      This ignores several of the important points of the story. Jesus walked from shore to the boat, so he could not have positioned the boat himself. It was also during stormy weather, so he would not have been able to see if the disciples were in a position where a parlor trick might work. Beyond this, Peter also walks out onto the water, yet sinks until Jesus pulls him back up, which doesn't fit the platform theory.

      As for being rarely upon water and easily tricked, many of the disciples were fishermen.

      There is an interesting anthropologic reference to the red sea. Anthropologists have traced the historical path of the jews out of Egypt. It's pretty well accepted that this would have happened, and it would have taken them very close to a large bog type swamp. Locals used to map gaps in the swamp, where a person could walk clean across the entire area, but those who were not familiar with the area would wade into a bog and often drown (especially if wearing armour).

      Again, assuming that this story is close to literal and isn't the great imagination of the storyteller, it's entirely plausible that they passed a swampy offshooot of the Red Sea, walked across a known land-bridge and watched the armies behind them perish in the bogs, figuratively "splitting" the red sea.

      Of course, our vision of Charleton Heston holding his staff in front of a massive wall of water is spiffy and all, but there isn't much more than that to go on. :-)

      Assuming the bog theory, since none of the jews were really local to the Red Sea (they even got angry at Moses for leading them to the sea only to die there), that would be equally miraculous (if less flashy) for a stranger to the area to navigate a safe course for thousands of people, across a land bridge they didn't know existed. I'd be more willing to grant that it was a tidal plane (thus the waters truly did subside and return), but again the timings and circumstances that they would leave Egypt (why else would the Jews be allowed to leave, then pursued shortly afterward?) and escape by walking across the ocean. Coincidence? I highly doubt that seems plausible even to you.

      As for resurrection, I have no idea, except it's not impossible to fake someone's death, especially given sufficient collaboration with outsiders and sufficient time to plan. It's also quite possible to make up such statements. As it has been said, nobody of any historical significance SAW any resurrected people. If I recall, the eye-witnesses were always "the faithful" and/or "random joe who couldn't possibly dispute the claim" which makes them a dubious claim as far as historical accuracy is concerned.

      We have 4 instances of resurrection. None seem easy to fake.

      First is the Daughter of Jairus. He seeks Jesus to heal his ailing daughter, yet she dies while they are in transit. Perhaps she wasn't dead, only nearly so, yet how does Jesus get her out of bed nearly instantaneously? Also, if it were a trick, why do all three accounts show Jesus downplaying the incident? Wouldn't a parlor trickster be more likely to bring attention?

      Next was a boy

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  13. RE: by D'Sphitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank goodness our lawmakers are tackling these important non-existent problems, and exploiting mentally ill people to make their case. I feel safer.

  14. I did imagine that, in fact! by pietros · · Score: 1

    I was actually thinking about patenting this idea, (True story), now I suppose I can't anymore. In any case: " imagine, if you will, having a beeper in your rectum or genital area, the most sensitive area of your body. And your beeper numbers displayed on billboards throughout the city." sounds like fun to me! In any case true or not, we are going to have things like this soon enough. Not implanted, but self implanted. The whole point is to have ways in which you can receive informations directly into your body (literally), and connecting it with anything you want.

  15. She might not have like it... by Montezumaa · · Score: 0

    ...but that sounds pretty damned awesome to me. I would love to have a device in me that a tickles me in my happy places. Oh, maybe she is worried the cell towers are watching her and the paint on stop signs are telling her to do "bad things"(a man told me this story in Georgia...hmm, seeing a pattern?). There are some messed up people here in Georgia.

  16. It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by gront · · Score: 5, Funny
    Everyone knows vaginal-rectal tracking is Martian territory, not the Department of Defense. The taint is pure red planet; DoD has an oral fixation. Doesn't anyone research these things?

    Just proves that they are educated evil and too stupid smart to understand implanted tracking devices and timecubes.

    1. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everybody knows, eh? God, another one who swallowed Their propaganda hook, line and sinker. Listen, I keep it short, because I gotta change location soon - here is some advice: The conspiracy you read about, and especially, the conspiracy everybody knows, is not The True Conspiracy. It is propaganda planted by Them, things They want you to believe. I can't go into detail, this is not a secure line. But look at what the known conspiracies do NOT have in common. That is the path to The Truth. You can kiss your quiet life goodbye if you find out, though, maybe your life as such. Gotta go, been here too long already. THINK!

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    2. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by idontgno · · Score: 1

      fnord. fnord fnord fnord, fnord fnord /. fnord fnord.

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    3. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      fnord

    4. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Funny

      Two people posting "fnord" at exactly the same time? I knew I have been staying on the same computer too long... Nice try, but you won't get me. At least I won't go down quietly, you hear that??

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    5. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by JM78 · · Score: 1

      Ever consider the DoD may have been infiltrated by vagina/rectal-track-happy Martian's? Perhaps a change toward Martian's in government control is a positive thing? Just a thought...

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    6. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by Svartalfar · · Score: 0

      At least I won't go down quietly, you hear that??

      That's what she said?

    7. Re:It wasn't the DoD... It was Aliens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry about it. They're just pining for the fnords.

  17. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by dave420 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Well, if you drive drunk you're likely to kill someone. As for the wrong plant, I totally agree.

  18. Re: by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thank goodness our lawmakers are tackling these important non-existent problems

          Surely this is as important an issue as the fact that the island of Guam might tip over...

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  19. Move along. Nothing to see here. by TheScreenIsnt · · Score: 0

    So, someone goofed and let a delusional person speak in a public forum on a topic related to her delusion. There's nothing to do here but make fun of people who suffer from delusions, or make fun of Georgian legislators: neither news for nerds nor stuff that matters.

  20. light reading by drfireman · · Score: 1

    Increasingly often, I can't remember if I'm reading a legitimate news source or the Onion.

    1. Re:light reading by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Increasingly often, I can't remember if I'm reading a legitimate news source or the Onion.

      Well, while Slashdot has always been entertaining, and occasionally even factual, I'm not sure it was ever a 'legitimate news source' -- that's part of its charm.

      Of course, increasingly, mainstream news sounds like the Onion from time to time. :-P

      Cheers

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  21. Aliens micro chipped me. by madshot · · Score: 1

    Aliens micro chipped me and all I got was this chip and a lousy T-Shirt.

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    1. Re:Aliens micro chipped me. by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Well, that and the microchip.

    2. Re:Aliens micro chipped me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you. I got gonorrhea.

    3. Re:Aliens micro chipped me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aliens micro chipped me and all I got was this chip and a lousy T-Shirt.

      Well, that and the microchip.

      Yes, this chip, a lousy t-shirt, and the microchip. Well spotted there.

    4. Re:Aliens micro chipped me. by pluther · · Score: 1

      So, the only two things you got were a chip, a lousy t-shirt, and a story to tell.
      No, wait...

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  22. The ARMY has this now and AIRFORCE as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and they use it to cdwadags.

  23. I live in Dekalb County GA. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    I had a chip put in my pet cat.

    But I have one too, only its not by any humans.
    How else is alien god gonna find me and others when the shit starts hitting the fan in 2012?

    Some of us have a ticket to leave and miss the shit.

    Guess such tracking devices can be used for good things too.

    1. Re:I live in Dekalb County GA. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      Is Dekalb still a dry county? That may explain this. :-)

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    2. Re:I live in Dekalb County GA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Dekalb still a dry county? That may explain this. :-)

      Ummm... no. According to wikipedia, Dekalb County "is the second-most-affluent county with an African-American majority in the United States, behind Prince George's County, Maryland in suburban Washington D.C. and Baltimore". I'm from there originally and I guarantee you it is not dry. It encompasses a lot of metro Atlanta and has >700,000 people living there. It's not rural Georgia. It's 54% black and 35% white. The median family income is $54k and that's including tens of thousands of poor people who live closer to downtown Atlanta.

      The lady is simply delusional. Doesn't matter that she's from Dekalb.

  24. Only a misdemeanor? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Its only a misdemeanour? Wow I bet that has the CIA/police/government quaking in their boots. Laughing that is.

    How is violating someones body with a microchip much different from rape? It should get the same penalty.

  25. Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by Tisha_AH · · Score: 1, Insightful

    While I emphasize to this woman's predicament, possible mental illness and/or delusional state I find it difficult to correlate her story to the eventual decision by the legislature to pass the bill.

    It would be like someone petitioning against Reynolds Aluminum because they profit from aluminum foil sales. "It is all a vast conspiracy, I have to wear this aluminum hat to keep the mind control rays from Planet #10 under control."

    There are wack-jobs on any side of any issue you can imagine. It was unfortunate that they did not screen this one out of the proceedings.

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    1. Re:Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I'm just cynical but I don't necessarily believe her inclusion was an accident.

      That someone would use a delusional/mentally ill person to further a legislative effort creeps me out almost as much as the idea that people in such a state aren't getting help for their problems.

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    2. Re:Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by KPexEA · · Score: 1

      empathize?

    3. Re:Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by tacokill · · Score: 1

      While I emphasize to this woman's predicament

      I would like to emphasize something as well. I believe proper emphasis should be placed on understanding the empathy involved in this case. I should emphasize that I am not an expert in empathy.

      Good talk, Russ.

    4. Re:Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      You emphasize? You probably also would resemble any remark I make about your grammar.

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    5. Re:Nutbars and Oddballs Come Out of the Woodwork by nomadic · · Score: 1

      That someone would use a delusional/mentally ill person to further a legislative effort creeps me out almost as much as the idea that people in such a state aren't getting help for their problems.

      How did this further a legislative effort? If anything it would have weakened it.

  26. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's weird about it? Driving drunk has the potential of the drunk person maiming and/or killing other drivers. Implanting a microchip in someone is a non-violent crime with no potential for the maiming or killing of others. It seems pretty clear to me that the former should be punished harsher than the latter.

  27. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two beers isn't drunk. And no, you're not "likely" to kill someone. "Likely" means better than 50% chance which not even MADD claims. Two beers is slightly more dangerous than sober, but less dangerous than being drunk or texting.

  28. Read the bill by Shivetya · · Score: 2

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2009_10/versions/sb235_As_passed_Senate_5.htm

    it is very self explanatory.

    No one, one any condition, meaning employers too, can force you into an implant.

    Frankly I am all for restrictions being codified in law

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    1. Re:Read the bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. It is probable that someone intentionally setup this senator and woman (even if they don't realize they were manipulated) to make us all think that people afraid of implants are paranoid and crazy as a step towards a national identification system (even if only under the auspices of needing to identify people for a nation-provided health system, which could be next, even though they won't make it that far that soon). There are other more valid reasons not to have chip implants, like information emitted by/stored in those implants being misused by those with malintent- not necessarily even the gov't misusing the info- more likely by crimals.

    2. Re:Read the bill by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      I think the GP's incredulity is from the woman's testimony, not the contents of the bill.

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    3. Re:Read the bill by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      No one, one any condition, meaning employers too, can force you into an implant.

      That's a relief; I heard it was common practice in Soviet Russia.

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    4. Re:Read the bill by sheph · · Score: 1

      Right. Because laws never get changed to stop terrorism, combat pirates, prevent identity theft, etc.

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    5. Re:Read the bill by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      No, no, in Soviet Russia, the chip implants YOU into the GOVERNMENT.

    6. Re:Read the bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's insightful as they did envision a computer system to run the whole Union one day. That was at the time they thought one can plan an economy.

    7. Re:Read the bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's in Manchurian China. As in candidates.

    8. Re:Read the bill by Shoe+Puppet · · Score: 1

      They apparently knew they couldn't plan an economy - that's why they wanted to build that computer to do it.

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    9. Re:Read the bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha, perfect! :)

    10. Re:Read the bill by spun · · Score: 1

      Of course you can plan an economy. You just need a replacement for price signals, even a simple analog information system from the early 70s could do it. Heck, the Brits simulated their entire economy with incredible accuracy using a hydraulic computer back in 1949.

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  29. Frito-Lay implanted a chip in me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...this morning. Actually a whole bag full of chips. Could not stop after only one.

  30. Pet Chips by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    How many of us have microchips in our pets, in case they get lost? How many of us have them in our children for the same reason?

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    1. Re:Pet Chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do these chips also help you if you get lost ?
      If so, it sounds way more fun than GPS.

  31. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Kozz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Driving home after two beers or smoking the wrong plant is a more serious crime than planning on sticking a microchip under someone's skin for the explicit purpose of tracking them.

    Weird priorities.

    If you begin comparing crimes, their offense to society or individuals, and then the manner in which those convicted are prosecuted and punished, you're headed down a very long, confusing road. Who should be punished more severely, a rapist or a murderer? OK, what if instead of a murder, it was white collar crime, embezzling $5 million USD. Okay, what about 500 million. OK, what about retirement accounts of millions across the nation? OK, but what if the rapist actually [unimaginable details]...

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  32. absolutely true story: by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    there was a little old lady who used to stand on 42nd street and eighth avenue handing out little pamphlets about how the devil was always trying to corrupt you via external means (i love picking up religious literature from the kooks in times square to analyze their words for entertainment value: reference timecube.com). according to her screed, one way was by putting a microchip in a grain of rice you would eat, another way from a stranger shaking your hand in such a way that 666 would be formed in the curl of their fingers, evil eyes, etc.

    anyway, one day on the way to the port authority bus terminal i went into a store right near the little old lady to get a yogurt and a can of diet soda. the total came to $3.34, and i gave him a $10. the guy was insistent on me taking my receipt. i went outside and thought i would take another pamphlet from the old lady to see if she had updated her shpiel. randomly and without intent, i gave her my receipt as i took her pamphlet

    my receipt that said $10 minus $3.34 change: $6.66

    i never saw that little old lady again

    coincidence? or was i AN UNWITTING TOOL OF THE DEVIL

    absolutely true story

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    1. Re:absolutely true story: by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      i believe you ARE the devil. The sum of Your /. Id digits is nine. And what is nine turned upside down, eh??? Yes, it is 6. And your post number is 66. So what does it amount to? 666. You, my dear sir, are really an unwittting tool of the devil.

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    2. Re:absolutely true story: by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Quick, weigh him against a duck!

    3. Re:absolutely true story: by Abraxas26 · · Score: 1

      coincidence? or was i AN UNWITTING TOOL OF THE DEVIL

      No, good sir, you're on the level.

  33. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    It is "non-violent" in the sense that the cutting of human flesh and insertion of a foreign body into that flesh is non-violent.... Oh wait, isn't that the same thing that a bullet does, or knife?

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  34. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    Focibly violating someones body to install a microchip is a nonviolent crime? I think you should re-examine your how you have defined violence.

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  35. Not necessarily a wack-job... by jddj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This woman sounds pretty nuts.

    That said, I've got a colleague, ex-military, NOT a crank, who says the US Army implanted a glass-tube into his hand much like the one pictured - without his knowledge or consent. It was implanted while he was out during an unrelated surgery.

    The implanted tube irritated him enough that he was regularly scratching it, and he eventually dug it out of his skin - and was surprised to see the foreign object.

    The same guy has never spouted any nutty theories to me, never was paranoid about being tracked - just mentioned this experience.

    For my part, I figured it was the Army experimenting with ways to inventory their humans, and maybe to posthumously ID them.

    1. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by vlm · · Score: 2, Informative

      US Army implanted a glass-tube into his hand

      Sure it wasn't a METAL tube like a piece of broken off IV needle? You even mentioned he was in for surgery.

      Also, bone particles? Every couple years for a decade or two, a tiny little shard of bone from a broken molar extraction works its way to the surface of the skin of my mouth, makes a little pimple, hurts for about a day, pops out, and its gone. We're talking tiny little pieces of bone here, like the ball on the end of a ball point pen.

      Finally, your hand is semi-translucent. Hold it up in front of a bright lamp and you'll see what I mean. Also they have a tendency to be blown off in explosions and generally smacked around. I'm not thinking hand would be location choice #1 for an implant, although I suppose it depends on the application.

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    2. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean like this little puppy?

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    3. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by blincoln · · Score: 1

      For my part, I figured it was the Army experimenting with ways to inventory their humans, and maybe to posthumously ID them.

      FWIW (which may not be much), I have a barcode tattooed on my arm, and someone who saw it once told me that her son was in the US Army's Special Forces, and they'd been considering using barcode tattoos instead of dog tags, but decided implanted chips were better (which isn't hard, given how long it takes to give someone a barcode tattoo, especially in a way that will remain machine-readable).

      I'd be a little surprised if they'd done it without informing the soldiers, though.

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    4. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by longfalcon · · Score: 1

      do you think a skin tattoo or glass chip under the skin will still be visible/readable after the body is burned or mutilated? this is as opposed to the current dog tags which are cheaper and more resilient.

    5. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      do you think a skin tattoo or glass chip under the skin will still be visible/readable after the body is burned or mutilated? this is as opposed to the current dog tags which are cheaper and more resilient.

      that said, a passive chip which would be charged by and respond to a certain radio frequency would be a godsend in the event I was shot down and/or captured behind enemy lines.

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    6. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by longfalcon · · Score: 1

      a godsend to you, or to the enemy looking for you? :)

    7. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by spitzig · · Score: 1

      I recall reading something about deposits of materials collecting commonly in your body over time. I thought the materials were usually metal, though.

      But, if you implant something into someone, why just glass? That doesn't transmit anything.

    8. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by aBaldrich · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by varmittang · · Score: 1

      Sure it wasn't just a broken tip off an IV that was stuck in his hand during his surgery?

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    10. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by jddj · · Score: 1

      He said glass. He works in healthcare IT and would probably be able to tell the diff between a needle, a bone shard and an RFID implant of some kind.

    11. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by Erinnys+Tisiphone · · Score: 1

      It would be more reliable than dog tags, and even ID cards... if it were used for the appropriate purpose.

    12. Re:Not necessarily a wack-job... by jddj · · Score: 1

      Puhleeze. I like Jonathan Demme probably more than the next guy, but at least go back to the wellspring of military weirdness...

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/

  36. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by CogDissident · · Score: 1

    You could shoot someone in the street and it would be less of a crime, actually. Manslaughter carries a very low penalty comparatively.

  37. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by EvilGrin5000 · · Score: 1

    I agree with what you said. FYI though, I am not a lawyer, but I know that:
    You cannot talk about "potential" in legal talk. My favourite way to make a simple argument against the word "potential" is that each sperm has the "potential" to become a human being, therefore, every time a man masturbates, they commit genocide.
    What you can talk about, though, is probable foreseeable future based on specific conditions, "Likely" is another term...
    If you are driving drunk, you have a probable foreseeable future of killing someone due to the effects of alcohol etc...
    If you have a microchip implanted in you, there is no known effect on your reactions/judgments parallel to alcohol to be considered for a probable foreseeable future of killing someone
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    On the other hand, implanting a chip in someone has the probable foreseeable future of massive invasion of privacy amongst other questionably ethical motives.
    I know that someone will come along and say "What if the guy is a pedophile? Shouldn't we know where he is at all times?" which is a clusterfuck of an argument that deals with a person's rights and privileges and how a society distinguishes between the two and how said society wants to remove a right and/or privilege from someone based on criminal acts. Not to mention how the penitentiary system has the responsibility to rehabilitate someone into society.
    I don't even know where to start.

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  38. Applied to the skin? by vlm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unlike most slashdotters I actually read the bill as passed.

    What does this mean?

    'Implant' includes any means intended to introduce a microchip .... or applied to the skin of a person.

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2009_10/versions/sb235_As_passed_Senate_5.htm

    Do they mean something really weird like superglueing a passkey/ibutton to your skin? That's a new one I've never even heard of, and I've been interested in this general area of research for a long time (not for paranoid reasons, but more for medical and UI reasons)

    'Microchip' means any ... electronically readable marking,

    Ah, so no barcodes, no "mark of the beast" in GA etc. Technically a tattoo parlor inking a bar code would be "implanting a microchip" according to this bizarre law.

    Such term shall not include pacemakers.

    And there's the out. You'll get all the implants they want, just with a pacemaker feature that is not enabled.

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    1. Re:Applied to the skin? by Americano · · Score: 1

      It would, but since paying a tattoo parlor money to put a tattoo on you is a voluntary activity, they wouldn't run afoul of the law, and so have no need to worry.

    2. Re:Applied to the skin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so long as long as they are a physician:

      (e) The voluntary implantation of any microchip may only be performed by a physician and shall be regulated under the authority of the Georgia Composite Medical Board.

    3. Re:Applied to the skin? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Not just a tattoo. Even printing a water-soluble barcode on your wrist for entrance control would be covered by this.

    4. Re:Applied to the skin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Microchip' means any ... electronically readable marking,

      Ah, so no barcodes, no "mark of the beast" in GA etc. Technically a tattoo parlor inking a bar code would be "implanting a microchip" according to this bizarre law.

      Only if the tattoo is electronically readable. Barcodes are not, they are only optically readable. If the optical sensor itself uses electricity, it doesn't mean that the barcode is any more electronically readable than your face is electronically readable because one can take a photo of it with a camera (which can be an electronical device).

      Now, if the tattoo is strongly magnetized for electronical reading, it might be a whole different deal.

  39. ok... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

    Hey lady, no one cares or even wants to THINK about you having sex.

    Maybe those numbers on the billboards are simply the number of slaps on the back of your head you need.

    I hope the guy who scouted her to talk to the committee got fired.

  40. Window of opportunity by ScottForbes · · Score: 1

    Quickly, we need to implant microchips in Georgia state legislators while it's still legal to do so!

  41. Re:Move along. Nothing to see here. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure that the legislators and most of the state saw her as one of their own.

  42. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by X0563511 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Have you seen the way some people drive? Lowest common denominator, here... any imparement puts you well into the 'likely' zone :P

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  43. Writing the first part of my by X0563511 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    post in the subject makes me look like a douchebag.

    You don't do that when you write an email or a forum thread, do you?

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  44. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by ChikMag777 · · Score: 1

    Two beers isn't drunk.

    Depends on the size of the beers and their alcohol content.

  45. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by clone53421 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ok, let me clarify.

    Two 12-oz. American (5%) beers isn’t drunk.

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  46. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

    Well, if you drive drunk you're likely to kill someone. As for the wrong plant, I totally agree.

    If you implant microchips in someone's rectum and genitals I think that might be some form of rape or sexual harassment. Especially if you are smoking the wrong plant and drinking two beers while doing so.

  47. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

    and in the specific case of this article a woman's rectum and genitals were violated by The Smoking Man and his henchman so the alien's disguised as co-workers could torment her all day. This must be stopped!

  48. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

    That's because, unlike the former two, the latter one is not a problem affecting anyone (sane).

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  49. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Driving drunk (if two beers qualifies) has the potential of maiming the person driving and/or other people. By definition, implanting a microchip into someone is more than a potential maiming, it's actual maiming.

  50. What poor taste. by GrifterCC · · Score: 1

    Seriously, is this the sort of thing a website for scientifically minded humanists posts as a humor column?

    This poor woman is evidently paranoid schizophrenic, and Samzenpus has taken it upon himself to make fun of HER (for being chemically delusional) instead of the legislature.

    My "firesamzenpus" tag is half in jest, usually, but this post is just beyond the pale.

    1. Re:What poor taste. by hduff · · Score: 1

      I doubt that ridiculing the woman was the point.

      The point was most likely that the committee has such a low hurdle for witnesses when they support the pre-determined decision.

      It ridicules the ethics of the committee, and justifiably so.

      And if the committee had any morals, they would follow up and see that the woman has the opportunity for treatment.

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    2. Re:What poor taste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To his defense, she DID get the law passed. To the lawmakers defense, they're from Georgia

    3. Re:What poor taste. by Americano · · Score: 1

      Maybe that wasn't the point, but it's what about 50% of the commentary in this thread amounts to: assholes high-fiving each other over how smart and with it they are because they're not like some poor delusional schizophrenic woman, and making jokes about aliens and "hurr hurr it sounds like it would be fun to have a microchip in my taint."

      Another 25% seem to be about how this is "such a waste of time," which absolutely floors me to read here on Slashdot. That a group which seems in many other threads to be mostly comprised of tinfoil-hatted conspiracy theorist nutjobs would think that the GA legislature passing a law which prohibits anybody from forcibly implanting you with a microchip is a "waste of time" or pointless is shocking.

      The remainder of the comments seem to be along the lines of "Well of course, GA is full of backwards right-wing jesus freaks who fuck their sisters, so of course they'd do that."

  51. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Smoking weed = Harmless
    Drink Driving = Stupid/Dangerous
    Mandatory Microchipping = SLAVERY

    Hell yeah this much worse. The only response to tyranny is fighting back.

    wethepeoplewillnotbechipped.com

  52. with your numerical analysis skills, you might consider a lucrative career in numerology. the challenging part is keeping a straight face ;-)

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    1. Re:LOL by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      jokes aside, you must have seriously disturbed the poor woman. ;)
      i think most of the people on earth believe in this sort of superstitious shit. I, on the other hand, am instead scared of mere mortals like burglars, murderers, policemen etc.

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  53. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what about the wrong plant thing?

  54. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's an outrage! Mans laughter shouldn't even be a crime.

    Locking people up for making men laugh is insane.

  55. We The People Will Not Be Chipped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Americano · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The truth of that statement also depends on the size & physiology of the person drinking them, and how quickly the beer was consumed.

  57. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

    each sperm has the "potential" to become a human being, therefore, every time a man masturbates, they commit genocide.

    It does?! Shit! That means I must have beat out the Third Reich when it comes to crimes against humanity by the time I was 15...

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  58. The REST of the story- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However, -she- volunteered for the damned study, and if the bitch hadn't started struggling when she tried to back out at the last second, I would have implanted it in her thigh, and not her groin.

    As for the billboards, it's a lot easier to display subjects' numbers & have them call in for instructions than it is to compel them to buy a copy of "Catcher in the Rye".

    Sheesh. I'm just trying to do my job, man.

  59. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an idiot.

  60. Re:driving home after two beers or a weird plant by Khyber · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Citation needed for being stoned on weed making you a worse driver, please.

    It was a drunk driver that fucked me over, and now I smoke pot all day just to be able to get up, walk, and take my ass to the car to get groceries from the store (thank you, California.) I still drive better than 99% of the population, and I've never had an accident in my decade of motor vehicle operation.

    Hell the current strongest medical-quality bud barely gives me a buzz.

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  61. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Hatta · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Drinking two beers does not make one drunk. Maybe if you're a 100lb asian woman who chugged 2 beers on an empty stomach. Maybe.

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  62. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by linzeal · · Score: 1

    More people are killed by 'distracted drivers' than drunk drivers, yet in most of the US it is legal to paint your nails, talk on a cell phone and eat a burrito the size of your head so long as you do not have 2 drinks.

  63. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by evilbessie · · Score: 1

    They have to break the skin to implant something, that is harm. Whether or not this story is true the act of having something implanted into you without your permission (excepting life-saving medical treatment) I would consider harm of the most grievous nature.

    As to non-violent they would obviously have to sedate you or do this while you were sleeping, I don't know about you but that seems pretty violent to me, using violent to mean sudden or unexpected obviously.

  64. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Bullets and knives are very seldom surgically implanted. I've never seen a marksman swab a target with alcohol or iodine before "inserting" the bullet. MacHeath may wear fancy gloves, so there's never a trace of red, however his actions still cause harm. Violence is in the intent, not necessarily the procedure.

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  65. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by StrategicIrony · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    While I would agree with the assessment you made about drunk driving, I think it's at least worth pointing out that one is a passive activity and the other is active.

    In other words, it's entirely possible that every single person in america has driven "over the limit" at least once in their life (I'm not saying they HAVE, just that it's possible), and a small fraction have gone on to crash and injure someone.

    In fact, hasn't it been shown that driving whilst tired, or while staring at a phone, or while reading, are equally dangerous activities and (in most states) aren't regulated at all.

    In fact, having anger control issues is probably a greater risk for accident than speeding in most cases. Driving a car with crap-ass suspension (while totally legal) is much more dangerous than a "california stop" at a stop sign with clear visibility of no other cars in the intersection (which is not legal) and being hopped up on "Rockstar" energy drinks must have at least as much effect as a 0.04 alcohol level toward being a danger toward others.

    When does the small chance of killing someone warrant a steep punishment? After all, simply being a "bad driver" is apt to cause injury or death in some rare cases. Simply looking at the outcome of a single drunk driving accident yeilds an emotional response of "OH MY GOD THIS MUST BE STOPPED", but does it warrant what people do as a result?

    Devils advocate. :-)

  66. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

    Doesn't manslaughter imply that the killing was accidental, but still your fault?

  67. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Americano · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Two beers isn't drunk.

    Depends on the alcohol content of the beer, how fast it was consumed, the person doing the consuming, and a host of other factors - you cannot correctly make this claim without a host of additional stipulations. What's more, the OP stated that "driving home after two beers is a worse crime" - it's only a crime if you're legally drunk. So we can reasonably assume that the OP was talking about a situation where two beers is enough to get you drunk, which is to say - at least here in the US - that you have a blood alcohol content of 0.08%. If two beers is not enough to put you to that limit, then you have committed no crime, and your case is not covered by his claim that "driving home after two beers" is a crime.

    Unless you'd care to argue that alertness, coordination, concentration and depth perception are not required to operate a vehicle safely, it makes plenty of sense to tell people that they may not operate a vehicle when they're impaired, and to set up harsh consequences to dissuade them from doing so. Operating a vehicle with those faculties impaired makes you "more likely" to kill or severely injure yourself and others, and also increases the risk that you will do significant property damage as well.

  68. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    You must be kidding. Are you seriously arguing, that death is the worst thing that could happen to you?
    Oh boy. My mother used to have contact to an insane person. That person would make your life such a living hell, that you would wish to die, but couldn’t.
    Believe me. Death hasn’t got shit on someone dedicated enough to implant a microchip into you and drive you crazy.

    This video right there is the best example of how that would turn out for you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
    But instead of spoons, there would be “just”words, gestures and maybe buzzing implants.
    And: Yes, there are people out there, who can do shit as evil as this. I’ve seen it myself.
    That dude even had original paper from the highest police authority in the country, AND could forge his signature!
    That’s how he got out of a dozen mental hospitals!

    (Luckily, he’s in a closed hospital/jail right now, where he doesn’t even have the right to use a phone. [Because that’s all he needs, to get out again, and sometimes even get his nurse IN.])

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  69. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Americano · · Score: 1

    Somebody needs a rudimentary vocabulary course.

    Maim:
    1 : to commit the felony of mayhem upon
    2 : to mutilate, disfigure, or wound seriously.

    Explain how "implanting a microchip" constitutes "maiming"? Does it cause pain? probably. Could it have negative effects? Certainly. Does it result in long term loss of a limb or limbs or other severe disfigurement? Not so much.

    Having a limb blown off by a roadside bomb = maiming. Being run down by a drunk driver and losing a limb, or being permanently disfigured as a result = maiming. Having a rice-grain sized microchip embedded under your skin = painful, uncomfortable, but not maiming.

    Let's get some perspective. I know everybody loves to protest unfair drug laws, but implanting a microchip is not equivalent to maiming any more than slapping someone is equivalent to first degree murder.

  70. Georgia by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    The Peaches-and-Nuts state.

  71. Re: by Americano · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure I understand your objection - is it that you think implanting people with microchips wouldn't be a problem, or only that it's not a problem yet, because no companies have started requiring it as a condition of employment?

  72. Watch Out, saying bad things about the GOP gets... by VennData · · Score: 0

    ... bad Karma with the slash/GOP genuflecters. Take this reference to this smart GOP legislator down immediately or the whole site will get bad Karma.

  73. Re:Watch Out, saying bad things about the GOP gets by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

    You know, it is crap like this that puts us in the same league as Democrats that ban salt in restaurant food preparation.

    Like to see you make a NY hot dog with out salt...

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  74. Beeper Number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone got her beeper number?

  75. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

    Let's make all of those you mentioned (rape, murder, embezzlement $5 million and up) capital crimes. Problem solved... and I bet the crime rates would go down as a result.

  76. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by tophermeyer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And of course the local definition of drunk, which varies state by state and may not match the individuals definition of drunk.

  77. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure 'forcing' in your case involves violence and would also carry assault charges. 'Forcing' in the case of the bill means "install this chip or you're fired".

  78. Ineffective law by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    Lets say the feds want to chip you. They will just say "We can put this chip in you, or we can [nsert absurdly horrible alternative here]. It is your choice."

    It is like how the federal government can't interfere with state schools, so they just tax the state then say "if you want funding for your schools, install mandatory filtering software and teach things this certain way." Another example is when states offer to bring you to trial faster if you plead guilty. (I forget if that is Maryland or just Baltimore City). They can still claim they are providing due-process and giving you your right to a speedy and fair trial.

  79. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Americano · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Then "drinking two beers and driving home" is not a crime at all, and the GP is just talking out his ass.

    You may disagree that 2 beers makes you drunk, but if you have a BAC of 0.08%, you are legally drunk, and you are demonstrably impaired.

    And I know plenty of people who would (and some who HAVE) claim "I only had 2 beers!" to police no matter how long they were at the bar and how much they drank.

  80. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by EricWright · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Two 12-oz. Dogfish Head (Milton, DE) 120 Minute IPAs (~21% abv) IS seriously drunk.

  81. Re:driving home after two beers or a weird plant by Americano · · Score: 1

    Citation needed for being stoned on weed making you a worse driver, please.

    USDOT Study. Their conclusion is that it doesn't make you "as bad" a driver as alcohol or other drugs, but that it does impair driving performance, and as such, does pose some safety concern, though should be considered secondary to the risks of alcohol impairment. From the linked article:

    In summary, this program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to the consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a steady lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate where they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small. Still we can easily imagine situations where the influence of marijuana smoking might have an exceedingly dangerous effect; i.e., emergency situations which put high demands on the driver's information processing capacity, prolonged monotonous driving, and after THC has been taken with other drugs, especially alcohol. We therefore agree with Moskowitz' conclusion that "any situation in which safety both for self and others depends upon alertness and capability of control of man-machine interaction precludes the use of marijuana". However, the magnitude of marijuana's, relative to many other drugs', effects also justify Gieringer's (1988) conclusion that "marijuana impairment presents a real, but secondary, safety risk; and that alcohol is the leading drug-related accident risk factor". Of the many psychotropic drugs, licit and illicit, that are available and used by people who subsequently drive, marijuana may well be among the least harmful. Campaigns to discourage the use of marijuana by drivers are certainly warranted. But concentrating a campaign on marijuana alone may not be in proportion to the safety problem it causes.

  82. Installation by Frigo · · Score: 0

    I think they were installing her brain.

  83. Re:Watch Out, saying bad things about the GOP gets by nomadic · · Score: 1

    You know, it is crap like this that puts us in the same league as Democrats that ban salt in restaurant food preparation.

    DemocratS? Who have banned salt in restaurant food preparation? So you're saying multiple Democrats have successfully banned salt in restaurant food preparation? Where was this?

  84. i love just love these assholes by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Troll

    who want us to accept completely far out bullshit as fact, but plain as day obvious common sense requires citations and research study (that we're going to do for them, apparently) before they accept common fucking sense

    yeah dude: weed doesn't impair you mentally. that's why SO MANY PEOPLE USE IT RECREATIONALLY. you know, because it has NO MENTAL EFFECT WHATSOEVER </sarcasm>

    "Hell the current strongest medical-quality bud barely gives me a buzz."

    oh i see. so you just smoke it for the pretty haze it puts in your car

    what an ignorant low iq douchebag

    hey, asshole: smoke all the weed you want. you have my blessing

    JUST DON'T FUCKING DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ANYTHING, YOU IGNORANT TWATSTAIN

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    1. Re:i love just love these assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an asshole.

    2. Re:i love just love these assholes by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      That's why I didn't say smoking and driving. Also why I said 2 beers (less likely to get in a crash than when you're on a cell phone...according to research). I have no problem giving people convictions based on their dangerous actions, so long as it's backed up by research rather lobbying by MADD.

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  85. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by izomiac · · Score: 1

    I agree that drunk driving is probably more dangerous, but implanting something isn't exactly harmless. If the implant isn't completely sterile an infection could easily cause the person to lose a limb, or die. Heck, even if it were sterile a person might be allergic to something in it, go into anaphylactic shock and die. Or the chip could physically break and pieces might go to the brain/heart/lungs and cause a stroke, heart attack, or pulmonary embolism. Or perhaps the chip has a toxic metal inside that leaks out. Or it's magnetic so the person gets an MRI and the chip gets torn out... through the other side. There are dozens of ways this could maim/kill.

  86. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never seen a marksman swab a target with alcohol or iodine before "inserting" the bullet.
    Does putting on a condom make it not rape?

  87. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Matrix14 · · Score: 1

    If you read the text of the bill (here), you will see that it also prohibits things like requiring employees to have a microchip implanted as a condition of their employment, which could be reasonably construed as "nonviolent". Actual forcible surgery against someone's will is already assault in many jurisdictions; if someone were to actually implant a microchip against a patient's will, they would be in trouble for a lot more than violating just this law.

  88. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two pints of 5% beer consumed in 1h makes me completely unfit for driving tho. I'd be having a hell of a good time while unfortunately ignoring what effect a brick wall doing 100mph has on a car. I'm 150lb, male, not asian, and according to my physician perfectly healthy, just with the alcohol tolerance of a 10 year old.

  89. I have one stuck in between my teef. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God damnit that hurt too. My gums are swolen, tightening it's clench and making it more painful. Whenever I prod at it with a pick it's as though it crawls away from me and embedds itself deaper. It's like it has a mind of it's own. Very alien-like. Friends have stopped talking to me because they say my personality has changed. No longer was I the kind happy man with well-brushed teeth. Now they say i'm always crying about some sort of implant pain, and the trauma had casued me to have bad breath and not bathe ever since...it happened.

  90. i'm an asshole by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    because i get angry at douchebags who don't consider driving under the influence a big deal?

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  91. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    That's why I said 2 beers. You're more likely to kill someone while on a cell phone than after drinking 2 beers.

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  92. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    You'd think so...but it doesn't actually work in practice.

    England tried making theft and whatnot a capital crime and...murder went up. Once you already had already earned the maximum penalty, people were willing to murder not to get caught. That's also an argument why rape shouldn't be a capital crime...otherwise, why leave the victim alive afterwards?

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  93. Re:Watch Out, saying bad things about the GOP gets by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

    It was a tense situation, and I used the wrong one. =)

    "would ban"

    My point is that stupid legislation is the only thing bi-partisan in politcs.

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  94. What the conspiracy nuts never seem to get by VShael · · Score: 1

    is that implant stuff won't ever have to be done in secret.

    The government is collecting a SECRET massive database of everything you do! Right. Do you have a Loyalty card for this store?

    When Nintendo Wii mark 3 requires an implant to control your virtual avatar, people will happily pay 30 bucks for it.
    Including the conspiracy nuts. Because conspiracies are fun, but not as much fun as a Nintendo Wii.

  95. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by ffreeloader · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and 2 pints contain 33% more alcohol than 2 12 ounce beers, as a pint is 16 fluid ounces.

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  96. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by ffreeloader · · Score: 1

    I don't know about you, but I can see why having two drinks, along with a burrito as big as your head, in your hands while you're attempting to drive would get you a ticket. The cops would pull you over for being a freak with three hands.

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  97. Schizophrenia. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Believing some chip or something is implanted in them and it is being activated by satellites, cell phones, aliens or something is a very common symptom of schizophrenia.

    I am not a doctor, but my best understanding of the situation is this. In most normal people, when we imagine things we know we are imagining things. Like you are reading a description of iPad and you have a mental image of iPad, and you know you created this mental image of iPad because one part of your brain is reading about it.

    But in some brains this connection is lost. Suddenly the image of iPad pops up, or some voices are heard, but the brain does not know what caused it. It is very very confusing, interferes with the perception. Most of the time it is sound, rather than images. Most people have "the tune stuck in the head" and all day the same song plays over and over. For these abnormal brains, the sound track that is being played back would be some old conversation or a movie dialog or even an imagined conversation they have had. They hear the voice, very distinctly, over and over again, and there is no one around saying these things. The only way the square their sensory input from ears and eyes is to come up with wacko theories like implanted micro chips. In another era they would imagine radio waves are doing, and before that they would blame black magic or possession by the devil.

    I know it is quite funny to hear her testimony and imagine the faces of the senators hearing it. But she just needs medical care. And let us not be too hard on that lady. Given the advances in medecine, we all might live long enough in the shell of our bodies long after our brains have decayed to nothing. We could be that lady, when we are 80 or 90 years old.

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  98. and the rest of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why, "Yes, I am a member of the Tea Party!" "Why do you ask?"

  99. Re:What did she do to get to that point, we can le by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry but do you think its a bad thing this bill got enacted? Who cares why ... its now illegal for your employer or doctor or parents to force you to get an implant and it wasn't before.

    Its not illegal to get one. Its illegal to FORCE someone to get one. Big difference.

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  100. I know how she feels... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I had a chip in my rectum once... it was pretty shitty.

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  101. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Weird priorities.

    government priorities.

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  102. Re: another absolutely true story: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did the same thing with a Burger King receipt to get rid of the religious zealot that plagued our little college town. When I saw the total come up I had to ask 3 employees to get me a receipt (two didn't know how, this was before they had a give everyone a receipt policy,) so that I could non-chalantly hand it to him while I took his "pamphlet" which was actually more like a 11 page mini-book on 8.5x11". Anyway, point being he never came back to that town that I ever saw.

    I think we have stumbled across the solution to crazy religious annoyance...

  103. Re:A Misdemeanor? Seriously? by KshGoddess · · Score: 1

    I parsed that as "You're more likely to kill someone on a cell phone than someone drinking 2 beers."

    Which is probably true.

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