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The Race To Beer With 50% Alcohol By Volume

ElectricSteve writes "Most of the world's beer has between 4% and 6% alcohol by volume (ABV). The strength of beer achieved by traditional fermentation brewing methods has limits, but a well-crafted beer that is repeatedly 'freeze distilled' can achieve exquisite qualities and much higher alcohol concentrations. An escalation in the use of this relatively new methodology over the last 12 months has seen man's favorite beverage suddenly move into the 40+% ABV realm of spirits such as gin, rum, brandy, whiskey, and vodka, creating a new category of extreme beer. The world's strongest beer was 27% ABV, but amidst an informal contest to claim the title of the world's strongest beer, the top beer has jumped in strength dramatically. This week Gizmag spoke to the brewers at the center of the escalating competition. New contestants are gathering, and the race is now on to break 50% alcohol by volume."

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  1. But what about taste? by cavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this tastes like crap, then no one will buy it... well, except for frat boys and the local street people.

    1. Re:But what about taste? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow. Who knew Jeff Foxworthy had a slashdot account!

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    2. Re:But what about taste? by hamburger+lady · · Score: 2, Funny

      we drank plenty of Everclear, we'd take shots and chase it with Boone's

      jesus, you started with something tough and ended with the dainty beverage of snow-white queens.

      what then, scotch with a zima chaser? rye followed by a cosmo?

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    3. Re:But what about taste? by justin12345 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dogfish Head 120 is pretty decent as far as "high test" beers go, and you're right about how its best enjoyed. Honestly everything Dogfish Head makes is pretty decent. I'd even go so far as to say my favorite beer of all beers is their 60 Minute IPA.

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    4. Re:But what about taste? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in my university days, I made homebrew in residence to save money. Then I taught the other guys on my floor how to make it, and loaned them my equipment, leading to a peak production of 70 dozen beer per week on our floor. You wanna bet the women liked partying on OUR floor. :)

      Personally, I don't think you can call what these guys are making beer.

      Soaking it in whiskey barrels, for example... cheating. People buy those barrels and fill them with water, then let the alcohol soak out of them and drink it... they call it swish. Not just adding "flavour" with those barrels.

      Using fractional freezing techniques to make it stronger is about as novel as leaving your apple cider out in the snow and separating the frozen stuff out. Personally, I wouldn't call it "beer" either after it's been treated this way.

      I can see why it's expensive though. Each time you freeze and filter it, the concentration of alcohol in the frozen material increases, until you're just throwing away alcohol and not concentrating it at all. So, making one of those super strong ice hardened beers involves a large amount of waste, assuming you're not taking the "ice" and firing it into a conventional still to recover the loss.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_freezing

      We're getting ready to do it ourselves here at home, because operating a still is illegal, but freezing your wine isn't. We're using champagne yeast, apple juice, grape juice, blackberry juice, blueberry juice, dextrose and honey.

      I almost broke the world record for strongest beer back the 80s... did my junior high school science fair project on brewing, and made an IPA that was 11.5% at a time when the record was 12%. Wish I'd been allowed to drink it :P

      I should make a beer using starch as an adsorbent. Call it Beershine or something.

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  2. erm ... by Stooshie · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have had distilled beer in Scotland for years now. We call it, erm let me think ... oh yes, whisky!

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    1. Re:erm ... by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was about to say the same things - once you distill it, it's no longer beer.

  3. Hooch by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Beer at 50% ABV is called whisky.

  4. Is this really beer by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this really beer?
    I find it hard to believe that this could be brewed naturally, i.e. using yeast to ferment the liquor. I find it hard to believe that a yeast can live in 50% alcohol, 27% was really pushing the limits.

    1. Re:Is this really beer by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's freeze distilled, I don't see why they can't do it. All they are doing is brewing a normal beer, then removing some of the water.

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    2. Re:Is this really beer by Verdatum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you freeze distill it, then it stops being beer in my book. If you freeze distill hard cider, it's not "extreme cider", it's friggin' applejack.

    3. Re:Is this really beer by archmcd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. This is not beer, this is a distilled beverage. This technique isn't new, and the method of distillation is the only thing that makes this product distinct from traditional whiskey.

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    4. Re:Is this really beer by dargaud · · Score: 2, Informative

      So that's the 2nd most ancient method to produce alcohol in the world... The first one being: take some juice, let it ferment, drink (applies to wine, beer, honey-wine, etc). The next step is to take that fermented juice on a cold winter night, let some of it freeze (the water part), throw the ice away and repeat until the alcohol concentration is high enough for your taste. Word of warning: it usually produces a bad taste as a lot of stuff (aldehydes, amides, etc) that are better off either evaporated or left at the bottom of the tank will stay in the brew.

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    5. Re:Is this really beer by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's whisky. Just because it's distilled by freezing instead of heating the principle is the same hence the term 'distilling'. Temperature differences are being used to remove water.

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    6. Re:Is this really beer by hweimer · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you freeze distill it, then it stops being beer in my book.

      Same here, but unfortunately the EU has forced us here in Germany to lower our standards so that people may call it "beer" even if it hasn't been made according to the Reinheitsgebot. In fact, such beverages have been around for quite some time under the name Bierschnaps.

      Oh, and if you're interest in fancy drinks, you should try to get a Kehlenschneider. 80% ABV and 400,000 Scoville units. Which means you won't even notice the alcohol in it.

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    7. Re:Is this really beer by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's whisky. Just because it's distilled by freezing instead of heating the principle is the same hence the term 'distilling'. Temperature differences are being used to remove water.

      Distillation is a separation by difference in volatility (or vapor pressure). The more volatile component will be present in the vapor phase in a higher concentration than the other stuff when you boil the liquid.

      The process here is called crystallization, and has very little to do with distillation, except that it also is used in a separation. Also, there is no temperature difference - it's just cold. The temperature of the entire barrel of beer-like-booze will gradually drop, but there is no temperature difference like in a distillation process where the temperature of the boiling liquid differs from the condensing vapors.
      While you scoop out more ice, the temperature drops (as a function of alcohol content in the liquid). So, the liquid will cool down more over time... but there is no requirement to have a temperature difference unless you're afraid that the ice won't melt and go down the sink.

      Whiskey is the condensed gas phase of the beer and you throw away the liquid residue.
      In this process the good stuff never left the liquid phase. You throw away the ice.

      Anyway, we've entered a discussion where we disagree on definitions. I'll give you the point that this may not be beer, but it certainly isn't whiskey either.

      If you disagree with me on the distillation part, you can also change the text on wikipedia (types of distillation, subsection "other types", subsubsection "stuff that isn't really distillation").

      Freeze distillation is an analogous method of purification using freezing instead of evaporation. It is not truly distillation, but a recrystallization where the product is the mother liquor, and does not produce products equivalent to distillation. This process is used in the production of ice beer and ice wine to increase ethanol and sugar content, respectively. It is also used to produce applejack. Unlike distillation, freeze distillation concentrates poisonous congeners rather than removing them.

      ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillation#Other_types )

    8. Re:Is this really beer by false_cause · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that evaporative and freeze distilling do not necessarily remove the same non-alcohol components. There is much more in wash/mash/beer than just water and alcohol. I have no personal experience with freeze distilling so I can't say which congeners stick around, but it could, and probably does, produce a much different product.

    9. Re:Is this really beer by Elky+Elk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't think Germans were still allowed to enforce 'purity laws'.

    10. Re:Is this really beer by cjHopman · · Score: 2, Informative

      unfortunately the EU has forced us here in Germany to lower our standards so that people may call it "beer" even if it hasn't been made according to the Reinheitsgebot

      And thank god for that... the Reinheitsgebot is one of the worst laws in existence. It was originally written to stop competition in grain prices between brewers and bakers. Yep, that's right, brewers were limited to certain ingredients to keep the price of bread down. This law was then spread to other countries so that brewers who had to follow the law could actually compete in the marketplace. I'm sorry, but that is not the process for making a good law.

      Today, the law is merely a marketing sham. That is, marketing departments like to claim that following the law somehow makes the beer better and that their company follows the law; the first is false, and the second usually is.

  5. More Alcohol and Less Drinking? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like beer. I like drinking beer. I like drinking a variety of beers. I don't like being falling down drunk. This race for higher alcohol content seems pointless and just limits the amount you can enjoy in one sitting.

    1. Re:More Alcohol and Less Drinking? by HopefulIntern · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. I was saddened when I came back to my home country of Norway a few years ago to discover no shops sells so-called "light beers" anymore. (For you Americans, a light beer in Europe means lower alcohol, about 1-2%, not fewer calories). I always enjoyed these beers because I could pound one when I came home from work and it would be delicious without giving me any impairment. (Before anyone mentions alcohol free beer, I have tried many and never liked them.)

      This seems strange to me, making beer so strong. What are they trying to achieve with this? A 50% beer means you can only have a few measures of it before you will get sick. Where is the enjoyment? A pint of cold, crisp draught surely beats a shot of this stuff?

    2. Re:More Alcohol and Less Drinking? by gsslay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. The quality and enjoyability of the beer is not determined by the percentage of alcohol. If this kind of mindless "mines bigger than yours" appeals to you then why not buy a bottle of 100% distilled medical alcohol and pour it straight down your throat?

      Woohoo! It's a hundred percent! You can't get bigger! You win! Now bring over the stomach pumps.

      The same macho BS that goes on about curry strengths. People competitively eat the strongest curry they can get hold off, to the point of it knocking your taste buds into a coma. Well done. Now you can't taste anything and you're oozing curry paste from every duct and pore you possess. You win.

    3. Re:More Alcohol and Less Drinking? by captainpanic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This seems strange to me, making beer so strong. What are they trying to achieve with this? A 50% beer means you can only have a few measures of it before you will get sick. Where is the enjoyment? A pint of cold, crisp draught surely beats a shot of this stuff?

      It's the same reason some people wait half a day, then strap themselves into a jet powered bomb on wheels to do a quarter mile really really fast.
      It's not the most practical or the most comfortable way of traveling... but I guess it's just really really cool.

      I can completely understand why they make this beer.

      However, I would not understand why someone would drink more than a shot glass of it though. I fully agree that there are few (perhaps none at all) drinks that are better than a simple cold normal beer. And the best part of a simple cold normal beer is that you can have more than one. Yay.

  6. As a brewer by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a brewer, distillation offends my sensibilities if you keep calling it beer.

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    Everybody funny. Now you funny too.

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  8. Re:After a hard days work by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fairly sure it'd be pretty hard to smoke beer. What are you smoking?

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  9. Re:Methanol by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

    One problem with freeze distillation is that it doesn't get rid of methanol. How are they getting around this problem?

    Putting "Not for human consumption" on the bottles?

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  10. The article is a bit off by Anon-Admin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeast limits the fermentation of sugars to alcohol. Once you get up around 17% to 20% ABV the yeast begin to die off. This is the natural limit of alcohol in beer. To distill the beer and increase the alcohol is to turn it into a distilled liquor and remove it from the realm of beer which is a fermented liquor.

    Through selective breading or genetic manipulation of the yeast we may some day get a yeast that can produce more than the 17% to 20% but that is not the case today.

    I found the article a bit misleading. If you distill it, it is a distilled liquor not a beer. This is like saying you made a beer from grapes, lol, it is not beer it is wine. lol

  11. Re:Methanol by Ross+D+Anderson · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean the same methanol that was in the normal beer to begin with?

    But in far lower concentrations. i.e. 1 pint of normal beer would contain far less methanol than 1 pint of distilled beer.

  12. Realistically, though... by sean.peters · · Score: 3, Informative
    ... there's practically no methanol produced in the process of fermentation. For it to be produced at all, there needs to be some pectin present, and that wouldn't normally be found in beer. A bigger problem is the presence of fusel alcohols. These higher order alcohols are removed to a greater or lesser degree during the process of heat distilling, but remain with the distillate in freeze distilling. They can add off flavors to the product, and some believe they are contributors to hangover symptoms, although some studies apparently dispute this.

    Methanol in Prohibition-era hootch was present as an adulterant - in other words, it was deliberately added to bathtub gin because it was cheap, and the producers didn't particularly care about their customers' health. Much like melamine was added to various Chinese products to make them appear more protein-rich.

  13. It's not pointless at all! by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey, maybe you weren't into it. I can understand. It's hot outside and I want my beer relatively light.. right now.

    But the thing about beer is that higher alcohol tends to result in more flavor. Not counting freeze distillation (the topic here), or tasteless adjuncts (e.g. rice syrup), the way to pump up a beer's alcohol is to add more malt. That means more malt flavor, and sometimes malt flavor can be damn damn good. Try some doppelbocks or English barleywines.

    Then it gets more complex, because if you wanna offset the malt sweetness, you have to hop it more, so again: more flavors. Try some American barleywines.

    I know; it's June, so if you're in the northern hemisphere, maybe this isn't appealing right now. But if you're a beer geek you're gonna be beggin' for it in 5 months.

    Sometimes the brewer wants more flavor, and increased alcohol is just the side-effect. And sometimes increased alcohol is good too. But this is a totally different thing than hard booze, and hard booze just can't compete with it. You're gonna have all kinds of people wanting to try this stuff who wouldn't touch vodka. That said, I think a 50% ABV beer is ridiculous. But c'mon, these are geek brewers. There are all kinds of limits they're probably pushing, and ABV is just one of them. If you think extreme brewing is just for fratboys, then blame the media for only presenting the fratboy dimension of it.

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  14. Re:After a hard days work by Creepy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I recently shared a Rauchbier (literally smoke beer in German) with friends just to try it - in fact, I had the Bamberg pictured in that link. The consensus was it was a strange tasting beer with lingering flavors of smoked bacon, which is a bit too odd of a combo for me. I've had an Eisbock (literally Ice Bock and Bock is a place - it is derived from Einbeck, where the style was first brewed) before, but it was more in the 18% ABV range and a bit bitter for my tastes, but the India Pale Ale fan of my friends loved it (IPAs are pale ales with extra hops [a preservative] originally used to survive long trips - like England to India, and this beer tasted IPA-ish, so may have been extra-hopped, as well). I've also recently had a Gruit, which is an unhopped beer - it was very good and different, and not malty like I expected - the flavors of anise, nutmeg and cinnamon stood out.

    My personal tastes tend to be about 20-50IBU (International Bitterness Units), which excludes most Pilsners (after Pilsen, originally in Bohemia, now Czech) and IPAs, which hopheads love. I still like to mix it up and try lots of oddities. My wife prefers schwartzbier (black beer) - preferably Köstritzer (and I drive 25 miles to a specialty store to get it, which is why I often end up with a bunch of oddities to try, as well), but New Belgium's 1554 will do in a pinch.

  15. Alcohol isn't the only thing concentrated by gregor-e · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Freeze-distillation consists of partially freezing beer then removing the ice, which has more water than alcohol. Each time a bit of ice is tossed, fractionally more alcohol is left behind. They repeat this process until the liquid fraction is as strong as they care for. Of course, alcohol isn't the only thing that gets left out of the ice when it forms. You get to keep all of the other crap the yeast poop out in addition to alcohol. Stuff like methanol, acetone, isopropyl and iso-amyl alcohol. These are called congeners, and they're responsible for a good percentage of your hangover. A proper still will let you selectively include or leave out these congeners. But freeze distillation keeps them all. Concentrates them. Makes their flavor and after-effects more intense for each fluid ounce you drink. Kind of pointless, in my opinion.

    Now, genetic engineering of a yeast that can tolerate higher alcohol concentration without producing a lot of congeners - that would be something worth doing.

  16. I guess they were right in Bottom Live 2003 by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2, Funny

    There does appear to be a "Weapons grade lager"...

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  17. One question? by Nekomusume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have they figured out how to make it taste good?

  18. Suuure by yukk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One article in idle about beer and suddenly Idle is the coolest place in town.
    Not a single Idle is pants post in sight !

    You're all drunken hypocrites :)

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