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Hong Kong Company Develops Solar-Powered Lightbulb

hussain_mkj writes "A Hong Kong-based company, Nokero, has introduced what it claims is the world's first solar powered lightbulb. Nokero is trying to replace traditional kerosene lamps in developing countries with its solar-powered N100 LED lightbulbs. The bulb is about the same size as normal incandescent bulbs, and will shine for two hours when charged for a day. The company claims that the new bulb is five times as bright as a kerosene lamp and uses 1/200th the energy. It will cost $15 for one and $480 for 48."

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  1. Solar powered light bulb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    That's as ridiculous as screen door on a battle ship.

    1. Re:Solar powered light bulb? by PigIronBob · · Score: 1

      mmmmmmm: as ridiculous as screen door on a submarine

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  2. Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by phantomcircuit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seriously how many light bulbs to you have where there is sunlight hittinng the top of the bulb regularly?

    1. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Per the tfa their thinking was that you would hang it outside during the day.

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    2. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      Yeah, hang it under something. This is really, really dumb.

    3. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading the article, and seeing the picture, might enlighten you.

      As to whether it's any good, however, it seems that this is just PR for the company making them.

      At $15 a "bulb," they are more expensive than what people in the developing countries will be able to afford. In fact, why even use lighting at night, when you can get up/go to bed with the sun. It's much cheaper.

    4. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh, it's obvious that you just run the wires to the solar panels on the other side of the planet where there is sunlight. Sheesh!

    5. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by skine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because it's high noon from dawn till dusk, and everyone lives on the equator.

    6. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously how many light bulbs to you have where there is sunlight hittinng the top of the bulb regularly?

      I found some information on a phenomenon that will ... illuminate you.

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    7. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by hedwards · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because during the day typically they're working trying to eek out enough to survive. And in the evening when it's too dark to work it's a great time to try and learn something. You know better oneself.

    8. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by chaboud · · Score: 1

      That adds a wasteful step.

      Use fiber optics... duh.

    9. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Seriously how many light bulbs to you have where there is sunlight hittinng the top of the bulb regularly?

      I found some information on a phenomenon that will ... illuminate you.

      I found some information on a structure that will ... shade you.

    10. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hence that four angled panels on the top to catch some sun at any time of day.
      This is not new and probably not even cheaper than the hand assembled devices being used now. What is new is being able to get it already assembled and in bulk.

    11. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by SudoGhost · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Solar powered lightbulbs" Shit, growing up we just called those mirrors.

    12. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if you bothered to RTFA you'd see that it has a hook to hang like a lantern. Thinking is to hang it from a branch or something.

      Obviously if you're in a house you probably already have electric power or some other more reliable source of lighting

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    13. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by riT-k0MA · · Score: 1

      Branch -> Tree -> Leaves -> Blocked sunlight

    14. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a tree does not block all sunlight in a everywhere under its brances? Indeed, it is often very bright, even in the shadow from a tree -- certainly bright enough to run a solar cell. There is also the issue of the angle of sunlight. Most of the day, the sunlight is likely to come from the side (not the top) of the tree.

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    15. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      horizontally strung piece of string -> problem solved

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    16. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      In a third world country? A house does not imply running water, sewage, or any kind of power generation infrastructure. There are many countries where the power is of poor quality (very spiky, random surges, brownouts, etc), intermittent, or only available between certain hours.

      That said, this bulb will run for two hours? I don't care how long it takes to charge, if it can't run for more than two hours then what's the point? A lightbulb that only functions a little bit after dark isn't going to help anyone do anything in the dark.

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    17. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Garridan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you referring to the four corner day? I'm happy to see the wisdom of the world's wisest human being put to good use. Thank you.

      http://www.timecube.com/

    18. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Garridan · · Score: 1

      No, it's great. It'll increase the average work day (decrease the amount of time spent happy) by 2 hours per day in the third-world, making them more like us which is what everybody really wants.

    19. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      horizontally strung piece of string -> problem solved

      Quick patent it.

    20. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      No, it's great. It'll increase the average work day (decrease the amount of time spent happy) by 2 hours per day in the third-world, making them more like us which is what everybody really wants.

      Yes they will be able to spend the evenings in Bible study groups instead of telling their ghastly traditional stories. The sooner their culture is forgotten the better.

    21. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by xaxa · · Score: 1

      That said, this bulb will run for two hours? I don't care how long it takes to charge, if it can't run for more than two hours then what's the point? A lightbulb that only functions a little bit after dark isn't going to help anyone do anything in the dark.

      No, a light bulb that functions for two hours after dark will help someone do something for two hours after dark.

    22. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 3, Funny

      Solar powered lightbulbs...

      Tackling education and overpopulation problems at the same time.

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    23. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bulb doesn't have to work for everyone. It is quite enough if it works for a few hundred million customers.

    24. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by brusk · · Score: 1

      That said, this bulb will run for two hours? I don't care how long it takes to charge, if it can't run for more than two hours then what's the point? A lightbulb that only functions a little bit after dark isn't going to help anyone do anything in the dark.

      Get three of them. Switch one on. When it peters out, switch the next one on. Repeat. Six hours of light.

      Was that so hard?

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    25. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      At $10-15 per bulb, it quickly starts adding up when you're talking about people living on less than $2/day.

      Personally, I can't help but think that adding like 10 cents for 1-3 meters of wire between the panels and the bulb would help.

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    26. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because it's high noon from dawn till dusk, and everyone lives on the equator.

      And nobody, I mean NOBODY, ever puts them into say, a shaded fixture which would prevent a large portion of the light from actually hitting the bulb.

    27. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      That said, this bulb will run for two hours? I don't care how long it takes to charge, if it can't run for more than two hours then what's the point? A lightbulb that only functions a little bit after dark isn't going to help anyone do anything in the dark.

      In a third world country that lacks reliable energy (as you mentioned) an additional 2 hours of light per day does seem useful. Assume an overly simple example: If your average day cycle has 12 hours of light and 12 hours of dark, and the people are sleeping for only 8 of those dark hours, then this bulb just added 2 hours of productivity that would have otherwise been wasted. That's 2 hours of extra work, or 2 extra hours to study. Likely, this would be shared between a family. That's 2 extra productive hours per person. To me, that seems worthwhile.

    28. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I have to question the whole 2 hours of extra study as being useful. I think, as a culture, we have gotten confused about education. It is considered a given that the more school and study one does, they better their life will be. As cool as I think being smart is, it simply isn't true. Even right here in the US, most people never use their "education" beyond what they got in the 6th or 7th grade. Almost everything they use is either elementary school level, or on the job training. If most people in a developed country don't find extra study useful, how many in a third world country will? Once they can read, write, and do addition/subtraction/multiplication/division, they are pretty much as educated as they are going to use other than on the job training.

      2 hours of extra work? THAT might be useful. With just 4 kids, it would be like having a whole extra person for income, but without any cost. Using someone else's $2 a day number, it would only take a week for it to pay for itself in a family of six.

      Plus, that would be 2 hours less of laying in the dark wide awake next to a naked and willing (or at least available to you) woman with no birth control because there are more hours of dark than you need to sleep. Electricity is certainly a major influence in non-forced population control.

    29. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      And in the evening when it's too dark to work it's a great time to try and learn something.

      You mean like that you should not hang your expensive light bulb outside when your’re gone, or it will get stolen? ;)
      $15 for a light bulb is a lot, compared to these kerosene things, which certainly don’t cost more than a dollar.

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    30. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      You don't read much about developing nations, do you? Hell, in India even in technology parks there are periodic power fluctuations a couple times a day. It's really only in the US/Europe that you get good, clean, consistent power.

    31. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found some information on a phenomenon [Wikipedia: Night] that will ... illuminate you.

      You've been modded +5 funny, but I don't get it. Then again, I've never understood dark comedy.

    32. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      It was just the pun at the end. There wasn't anything that made a lot of sense about my post.

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    33. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, nobody does since these are brand new lightbulbs that nobody has yet.

    34. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 0

      While I don't know how many are actually using kerosene lamps as mentioned in the article, I'm pretty sure that kerosene costs build up over time as well. And keep building.

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    35. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I can almost feel my sanity erode away as I scroll down that page.

    36. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by ashvin213 · · Score: 1

      Bah! Already done and perhaps much better than what these guys have. http://earthblips.dailyradar.com/story/the-kiran/

    37. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by RichiH · · Score: 1

      > Obviously if you're in a house you probably already have electric power or some other more reliable source of lighting

      How delightfully first-worldish of you.

    38. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "You do realize that a tree does not block all sunlight in a everywhere under its brances?"

      Whaaaaa....? Do you have magic non-light blocking trees where you are? My trees are like deep dark caves you walk underneath and you're like Whoa who turned off the lights where's my cellphone so I can use it like a flashlight.
      /sarcasm

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    39. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "I can't help but think that adding like 10 cents for 1-3 meters of wire between the panels and the bulb would help"

      and make it detachable, so you can unscrew the top and hey there's the 1-3 meter of wire let's run it outside now... oh you don't need the wire anymore ok just wrap the wire back inside and screw the top back on and voila wire's gone.

      quick, someone patent that!

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    40. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      ^--- spoiled US resident, posting on a US-owned and English speaking website

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    41. Re:Solar Panels on the top of the bulb by RichiH · · Score: 1

      ITYM to reply to parent.

      If not, on do you base your assumption that I am from the US? Also, you imply that by having the luck of living in the first world, I totally disregard people who are less fortunate. I would be interested in how you arrive at that conclusion.

      As an aside, you posted on an US-owned and English speaking website.

  3. Cool by pieisgood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can get the 48 light deal and setup a grid of lights to provide night time lighting for six hours and you won't have to pay the electricity bill.

    But will anyone in the developing countries know or care about this?

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    1. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      People in developing countries don't give a fuck about 15 dollar light bulbs, or the kerosene they replace, since they can't afford that either.

    2. Re:Cool by new+death+barbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      People in developing countries aren't afraid of the dark.

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    3. Re:Cool by keeboo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But will anyone in the developing countries know or care about this?

      The problem is what does mean a "developing country"?
      Really, people apply that term from places with reasonable life quality (but considered "developing" for some reason) to places lacking a funcional government and where famine is widespread.

      In the not-so "developing countries" people won't care since - unless it's a desolate area - even the poorest houses are connected to the power grid.

    4. Re:Cool by skine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My great uncle drove down to Brazil about thirty years back, and most central American rural natives would drive without headlights at night. They felt that it actually improved their ability to see.

    5. Re:Cool by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Developing countries are way ahead of the "green" curve because:
      1) Electricity is expensive
      2) Electricity isn't that reliable.

      On my recent trip to India I was quite surprised, especially out in Sikkim. Even though the area is very 'poor' (by American standards) almost everyone had florescent lights. We stayed on Yangsum Farm. The guy had a solar array. WWII sub batteries for backup. He was in process of building an entire passive 'off the grid' building.

      Every single hotel room I stayed in had a slot for the key. You walked in, put the key in the slot and the power came on to the room. If you took the key, you lost power. It was annoying trying to charge stuff, but how many times to people leave their rooms in the USA and leave a TV on, some lights, etc?

      So yes, developing countries know about this and they'll most likely make use of it long before anyone in the USA even cares.

    6. Re:Cool by archmcd · · Score: 1

      The problem is what does mean a "developing country"?

      Detroit.

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    7. Re:Cool by kcelery · · Score: 1

      The manufacturer of the light bulb might think the sun is an unlimited, universal energy source. Unfortunately, in big cities, only the rich could afford the sun. For ordinary people, there is not enough sun light to sustain the growth of a health plant at their windows.

    8. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goes some way to explaining why they're a 3rd world people.

    9. Re:Cool by Sowelu · · Score: 1

      Another big reason that people drive without headlights is that they believe it improves their gas mileage (after all, there's less to power, right?). I mean, it SEEMS obvious, and when gas is so expensive, why take chances?

    10. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the record, this no longer happens in Brazil.

    11. Re:Cool by MadnessASAP · · Score: 3, Informative

      It does, they found that requiring daytime running lights increased fuel consumption by something like 5%, not a lot but when you're counting pennies.

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    12. Re:Cool by rockNme2349 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe something like this would be cheaper?

      I would hardly say this is the world's first.

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    13. Re:Cool by Umuri · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll bite the karma bullet on this, you're being relatively shortsighted and blind in your insinuation they are stupid.

      It actually does improve your vision.
      I'll give you a simple experiment. Go outside at night, shine a bright flashlight(halogen makes this work better) at the ground. stare at that flashlight for a good 5 minutes.
      Now turn the stupid thing off, and wait 5 minutes.
      Once your eyes adjust suddenly you

      The light forces your eyes to restrict the light comming in, killing your darkvision. Yes it lets you see the small patch it illuminates, but seeing anything to either side or beyond that is much harder.
      Compare that to the normal nightvision a person has on a decent night with a moon, and you can see a mile easy.

      Yes, lights help when there's no moon, but if you have a moon, lighting destroys your night vision.

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    14. Re:Cool by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

      Every single hotel room I stayed in had a slot for the key. You walked in, put the key in the slot and the power came on to the room. If you took the key, you lost power.

      Don't have to go clear to India...that is popular in island nations, too, where the cost of shipping fuel to power plants is expensive. Like down in the Dominican Republic.

      (Although it is my thought that they could have just capitalized on the "Drinks Included!" feature of their resorts and routed the urinal flow through generators.)

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    15. Re:Cool by grcumb · · Score: 1

      You can get the 48 light deal and setup a grid of lights to provide night time lighting for six hours and you won't have to pay the electricity bill.

      But will anyone in the developing countries know or care about this?

      Er, yes and yes.

      I live in the developing world and a family to whom I'm quite close have two solar-powered lanterns already. They use them for illumination as well as to light their roadside shop in the evenings. The lamp also has a plug for mobile phones and a mini-USB connector. Its solar panels are significantly larger than this light bulb's and they're all on one side, so you can use them all at once.

      The lanterns are pretty expensive by local standards - almost a week's pay. But they're much cheaper to own and way more effective at lighting than kerosene (which is the 'other' means of illumination around here) that everyone wants one. Demand is high enough that a local micro-finance agency just bought a container-load of them to sell.

      These lightbulbs, frankly, are kind of old news. Neat, but only riffing on stuff we've been doing for a couple/three years now....

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    16. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bite the karma bullet on this, you're being relatively shortsighted and blind in your insinuation they are stupid.

      When one assumes that everyone else is an asshole, it's usually they who are the asshole.

    17. Re:Cool by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Depending on the phase of the moon, that could very well be true. I've noticed that on a full moon, I could much further out including silhouettes of every obstacle. With headlights however, the level of detail, color, and clarity is superior...but only where it shines. Because my pupils are now constricted, I no longer see anything else in the dark (where the light is not shining).

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    18. Re:Cool by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      They have those in Shanghai too and perhaps all of China. Electricity is expensive, especially when you're not paying a separate electric bill for a hotel. They earn a profit by saving money.

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    19. Re:Cool by PBoyUK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are being stupid, and your ridiculously obvious "experiment" does nothing to prove otherwise. It goes without saying that if you have no artificial light available that waiting until your eyes adjust to the darkness gives you better vision. The point is that it's better vision only in comparison to what you would have if you had no light at all. How you've managed to take this answer and extrapolate it to night-vision being superior to a source of light in the darkness is stupefying. If you truly believed this wasn't stupid, tell me, do you drive at night without your headlights on? No? Thought not. As to the argument of counting the pennies saved on petrol - that works right up until the first time you hit a tree because you couldn't see properly. The only short-sighted thing here is these morons driving so dangerously and your leap to defend them from deserved criticism.

      What other absurd superstitious beliefs of technologically backwards societies do you feel compelled to defend out of some political correctness gone awry? Voodoo? Condoms being responsible for AIDS? AIDS drugs being a plot of the "white man" to test out dangerous substances and keep their society down?

      Romanticising and defending these cultures as somehow more "natural" than our own, is ridiculous, and I feel inclined to remind anyone bent to do so that the second they need their modern society for something, they'll jump straight back into it, romanticism be damned.

    20. Re:Cool by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 1

      What sort of car are you running? 1 horsepower = 750 watt - what sort of efficiencies are we talking about here?

    21. Re:Cool by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every single hotel room I stayed in had a slot for the key. You walked in, put the key in the slot and the power came on to the room. If you took the key, you lost power. It was annoying trying to charge stuff, but how many times to people leave their rooms in the USA and leave a TV on, some lights, etc?

      You know you can put a business card/membership card/whatever in there and it works?

      Most hotels in the UK have this as well now, even those costing USD 500 a night for the cheapest room...

    22. Re:Cool by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can you, with normal headlights on, see a pedestrian a kilometer away?

      On a night of full moon, I can see them pretty well with lights off. I may not spot the difference between a slick of oil and a pothole a meter away, but I can pretty well see the curve of the road, the bigger obstacles, very far buildings and so on. The moment I switch headlights on my vision is limited to ~100m. And the moment a car with headlights on approaches from behind a hill/bump (or the asshole doesn't switch to passing beam) my view range is pretty much zero, for the duration of the encounter and about 10s afterwards.

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    23. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      stare at that flashlight for a good 5 minutes.
      Now turn the stupid thing off, and wait 5 minutes. [...] Yes, lights help when there's no moon, but if you have a moon, lighting destroys your night vision.

      The trick is to leave the lights on. Then you don't need night vision.

      And your missing the other function of the lights - to be seen by other drivers.

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    24. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      With headlights however, the level of detail, color, and clarity is superior...but only where it shines. Because my pupils are now constricted, I no longer see anything else in the dark (where the light is not shining).

      Call me old fashioned, but the areas illuminated by correctly fitted headlamps correspond quite closely with where you should be looking while you're driving.

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    25. Re:Cool by Sciryl+Llort · · Score: 0

      We stayed on Yangsum Farm

      Did you join a rock-and-roll band, then live out on the land to try and set your soul free?

    26. Re:Cool by PBoyUK · · Score: 1

      I can indeed. Because intelligent people around here in the countryside who walk their dogs at night wear bright clothing, or a reflective sash - or even jacket. It's extremely obvious that they're there, because they're glowing.

      And the side effect: since my lights are on, they know I'm there too.

    27. Re:Cool by smart_ass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With regards to the key slot for power ... fairly true of Europe as well.
      It is (sadly) us North Americans who are free and loose with power because it is still relatively cheap here.

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    28. Re:Cool by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "They are being stupid, and your ridiculously obvious "experiment" does nothing to prove otherwise."

      You have a TON to learn about photopic and scotopic vision, I see. Until you know about that, you have NO room to talk, at all.

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    29. Re:Cool by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      "And your missing the other function of the lights - to be seen by other drivers."

      Umm, hi, we have these things called marker lights.

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    30. Re:Cool by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      You should be using headlamps when driving on public roadways. Absolutely. But if you're driving off-road out in the desert or grassy field, headlights may become a hindrance.

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    31. Re:Cool by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      Theres a write up on it here. Compare to your vehicles fuel consumption and draw your own conclusions.

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    32. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Every single hotel room I stayed in had a slot for the key. You walked in, put the key in the slot and the power came on to the room. If you took the key, you lost power. It was annoying trying to charge stuff, but how many times to people leave their rooms in the USA and leave a TV on, some lights, etc?

      That's very common in European hotels too

    33. Re:Cool by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems pretty common in hotels all over the world actually. Stayed in the Shangri-La in Hong Kong a few weeks back and they had the same setup.

    34. Re:Cool by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Well the product on the website you linked costs $39.99 - the product from TFA is $10 - $15, so I'd say no it wouldn't be cheaper. Also the Nokero lamp is really a more suitable design for indoor use. I don't think it's a technological breakthrough, but it seems like a design which is well-suited for the application.

    35. Re:Cool by nacturation · · Score: 1

      [...] most central American rural natives would drive without headlights at night. They felt that it actually improved their ability to see.

      It takes roughly 45 minutes to fully restore your night vision after being exposed to something like a car's headlights. I don't know if you meant that they felt the practice received from driving at night improved their vision in general, but there is at least some truth to the statement.

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    36. Re:Cool by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Well it's been quite a few years now since I was driving in Brazil, so this may be out of date. However the problem I'd encountered in rural Brazil was that there were no reflectors on the side of the road, no reflective markings on the road itself etc. So driving with the headlights on was a considerably different experience than in Europe or the US, you really didn't much guidance for the road ahead. It was quite scary driving, actually.

    37. Re:Cool by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      http://solar-aid.org/

      Solar Aid has several solutions that are better. They promote locally manufactured or at least assembled devices. They help with PV systems. They have an interesting light that provides more light for a longer time, it's far cheaper, it charges phones and other small gadgets and was designed by students at Leeds. Plus Minus Design was also able to address the need for local maintenance with a simply designed product assembled through snap-in parts and repairable with basic tools. http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20001768-54.html?tag=mncol

      http://solar-aid.org/projects/health/lighting-malawian-homes.html We will train 120 young people orphaned or affected by HIV/AIDS in Northern Malawi in solar skills to build these solar lanterns. We will help source and import solar and LED materials to Malawi.

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    38. Re:Cool by wazza · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And an additional useful side effect: the other cars on the road, which are far more dangerous than the pedestrians and animals that might be out there, will also know you're there, from a *very long* way away.

      Which is quite useful, really.

    39. Re:Cool by wazza · · Score: 1

      Nah, you just whack on bigger lights.

      And if they're not enough, BIGGER ONES!!!

      (and a second alternator :> )

    40. Re:Cool by wazza · · Score: 1

      Then this ain't necessarily the best solution for big cities.

      Big cities usually have at least the beginnings of electrical distribution infrastructure; the solution in a big city is to improve the transmission infrastructure, and the generation infrastructure. An investment in these two things will give benefit to a relatively high number of people for each (say) coal fired plant you turn into a reliable generating station, or whatever your source of power is. The centralisation that defines the big city helps here.

      But where there aren't any wires around for miles, then this is a low-cost way of starting to get around the problems of lack of lighting after dark.

    41. Re:Cool by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

      The only time I don't like it is when the ambient is 30 Celsius or better out and taking your key out shuts down all electric power - to include the power to the air conditioner...so you come back to a miserable, sweltering room.

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    42. Re:Cool by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      People in developing countries aren't afraid of the dark.

      But people in developed countries are afraid of the darkies. This way we can keep an eye on them.

    43. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every single hotel room I stayed in had a slot for the key. You walked in, put the key in the slot and the power came on to the room. If you took the key, you lost power. It was annoying trying to charge stuff, but how many times to people leave their rooms in the USA and leave a TV on, some lights, etc?

      So yes, developing countries know about this and they'll most likely make use of it long before anyone in the USA even cares.

      We have systems like that here, in the UK, and I've also seen it used around France and Germany.

      It's not that India is advanced, it's that the USA is lagging far, far behind.

    44. Re:Cool by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Depends on the style of the hotel I guess, if it is a relatively new hotel owned by a larger chain, then it may have a slot for the key. But most hotels I've been in (and I've been in quite an number of (normal priced) hotels for my work that still did without. I imagine that at higher priced hotels this kind of thing is more common.

      I like the fact that they keep cost down that way. It's also convenient that the lighting of the whole room comes up when inserted. At some hotels the first time you use the key the TV will play a welcome message. Personally speaking, I like to be in control of the lights and I like to charge my laptop when I'm not in. And I will already switch off lights when I'm not in, thank you very much - my parents made that a habit.

    45. Re:Cool by acid06 · · Score: 1

      Brazil is in South America, you know... just sayin'...

    46. Re:Cool by westlake · · Score: 1

      You can get the 48 light deal and setup a grid of lights to provide night time lighting for six hours and you won't have to pay the electricity bill.

      Nokero claims "over" two hours of light on a typical daily charge - which is about right if you want a direct replacement for a bottled gas or kerosene lantern.

      This story reminded me that there is still a market for the kerosene fueled refrigerator.

       

    47. Re:Cool by Koookiemonster · · Score: 1

      Well the product on the website you linked costs $39.99 - the product from TFA is $10 - $15

      But it's for 10 lights, so that's $3.99 per light. That's much cheaper.

    48. Re:Cool by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Informative

      DRL power consumption varies widely depending on the implementation. Traditional low beam headlights consume up to 180 W - with headlamps and all parking, tail, and marker lights on the overall power consumption for lights is in the range of 150 W to 200 W. Traditional dedicated DRL systems use low-power, high-efficacy light bulbs in the range of 5 W to 21 W - that is 10 W to 42 W for both lights. Current production DRL systems based on LED lights consume 6 to 15 watts.

      0.2 litres per 100 km... Average american car achieves, what, 22.5 mpg? Thats excluding the light trucks a large proportion of people drive... so that's just over 10.4 Litres/100km - i.e. little less than 2% increase in load... With LEDs (as many firms are starting to fit them in Europe now) it can be a small fraction of 1%.

      My conclusions are drawn.

    49. Re:Cool by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Ah yes you are right - sorry I overlooked that. Not sure if the light output is comparable though - you need to be able to illuminate a small room or read by the light of the lamp.

    50. Re:Cool by Threni · · Score: 1

      > It was annoying trying to charge stuff, but how many times to people leave their rooms in the USA and leave a TV on, some lights, etc?

      I like walking back to a cool room, with the stuff in the fridge still cool, and my laptop/phone battery charged. I don't want to have to do a deal with the guys in the hotel for another key to fool the system into thinking I'm in the room.

    51. Re:Cool by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

      what yuo say is also true when sailing in the Caribbean Sea .. Interisland freighters (usually wooden, maybe 60-100' long) commonly turn off their runninglights .. So its smart for sailboaters to have a light directed at their mainsail , and hope they see ya! And as for 'shipping lanes' ?? *WHAT* shipping lanes! tkjtkj@gmail.com

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    52. Re:Cool by brusk · · Score: 1

      My great uncle drove down to Brazil about thirty years back, and most central American rural natives would drive without headlights at night.

      Apparently they were also lost, since Brazil is a long way from Central America.

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    53. Re:Cool by brusk · · Score: 1

      That, and in a hotel I just stayed at in China the minibar fridge was on the same circuit, so you couldn't even get a cold drink.

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    54. Re:Cool by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It goes without saying that if you have no artificial light available that waiting until your eyes adjust to the darkness gives you better vision.

      Here's another experiment for you. Select a night of that's close to full moon. Obtain a million candle-power flood.

      Wait until full night, then go looking around a forest. Then turn that flood on. You can see what the flood illuminates real good, right?

      Now look at somewhere other than what the flood is lighting. Can't see a thing, can you?

      Headlights are like that flood - except they're fixed directly ahead. Less useful on a winding road.

      With headlights:
      =====

      Your vision is good, but only for a short distance straight in front of you.

      Without headlights, night-vision adjusted
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      I may not see close quite as well, but I'm actually able to see further and wider without my lights on because I'm depending on ambient, not the hugely bright lights that only cover a few hundred meters in front of me, if that.

      If you truly believed this wasn't stupid, tell me, do you drive at night without your headlights on? No?

      In my case the difference is that I drive in the USA, which has stupid amounts of lighting at night. Which presumably isn't the case here.

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    55. Re:Cool by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Informative

      Test that again.

      Try to see a reflective sash or shirt one kilometer away in headlights.

      The main lights give you up to 300m range of visibility. Reflective objects may be visible at twice that distance. At 1km away - not a even a shade of chance, especially that you are dazzled by your own headlights reflected from nearby objects.

      Note brightness of a light source drops off with square of the distance from it. And in case of reflective surfaces, the distance counts twice - from light source to the surface and back.

      Of course far strong light sources will be quite visible. Unless you're blinded by nearby strong light sources.

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    56. Re:Cool by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same here - I think hotels in the UK are now required to put these systems in when refitting / building, as they seem to be in >75% of hotels i stay in nowadays.

    57. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess which countries are involved if you go from (presumably) the US to Brazil?

      Maybe you could use Google Maps here to compensate for the lack of reading comprehension? :D

    58. Re:Cool by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      I've kind of wondered about that myself. If you're using headlights, your visibility is sharply limited to what the lights show. Without them, you can generally see further and certainly a wider range on the sides. The problem is more a matter of being visible to *other* drivers, I think - for that, headlights are a big help.

    59. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You mean the ones mounted on a roll bar or the roof? I never understood the point of those, other than as the redneck equivalent of a peacock's tail.

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    60. Re:Cool by Inda · · Score: 1

      Spain too. Over ten years ago they had them, in Spain.

      Charging... Get a spare key from the man on the desk... Helps to keep the AC on when you are out too.

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    61. Re:Cool by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I'm not advocating one way or the other, but just for hypothetical sake... Wouldn't it then make more sense for cars to have WAY lower power flashing lights on them to identify them as opposed to trying to light up the entire countryside in an attempt to see as well as daylight? Maybe even flashing different colors? I know that this would require trusting other drivers to do the right thing, but really, every intersection you go through, you are placing your life in the other driver's hands.

    62. Re:Cool by Garridan · · Score: 1

      Right. So one day out of every 28, supposing there is no cloud cover, you can spot a human at a kilometer. Note that a 2 meter tall person a kilometer appears to be 2 mm tall at 1 meter away. I'm slightly farsighted and my vision is very clear, and I believe that you could correctly identify a human at that distance by observing its gait -- if it was pointed out to you or you scanned the horizon very carefully, and you were not in a moving vehicle with a windshield in front of you. Moreover, what if there are fences, trees, mail boxes, parked cars, houses, etc. cluttering up the horizon? I call bullshit.

      If you're driving on a clear night under a full moon on salt flats, yes, I'd bet you could see a human a kilometer away. Otherwise, you're full of it.

    63. Re:Cool by brusk · · Score: 1

      No, I just assumed he was coming from Colombia. My bad.

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    64. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They serve a few purposes. One is to illuminate the track when the sun goes down, so one can keep off-roading after hours. Another is to illuminate the party when the sun goes down (note, these are not separate events). Finally, such incredible light systems cast massive columns of light into the clouds, which make the other redneck parties awesome because of the UFO up there bobbing and weaving around while they shoot at it. And after enough 'shine, they have butt sex, and all they can remember is shooting at UFO's and waking up with loose anuses, so they must have lost to the aliens and gotten probed.

    65. Re:Cool by xlsior · · Score: 1

      Can you, with normal headlights on, see a pedestrian a kilometer away?

      Regardless of whether you can or not, it will only last until you meet another car traveling the opposite direction that does have its headlights on, instantly destroying your nightvision for the next 15 minutes... (Or any other time when that road takes you near any artificial lights...)
      All in all it seems like a pretty big gamble that your night vision continues to be unaffected by anything, because as soon as it does you have pretty much zero visibility.

    66. Re:Cool by Yogs · · Score: 1

      Being able to clearly make out the immediate section of road ahead (pothole vs. oil slick, to use your example) is much more important than long distance vision as long as illumination distance > braking distance(including reaction time). If you're driving faster than that, then you're an idiot.

      Being blinded by oncoming cars with their high beams is a problem either way, but when I use my lights, I'm certainly not blinded for anywhere near 10s (maybe 2s) because my pupils are not nearly as dilated as yours. That, and other cars on the road can see me, so I'm less likely to be hit.

      All around much, much safer to have the lights on.

    67. Re:Cool by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      If it's more than 600 m away I don't care. I'm not driving a freight train, even from over 100 I can comfortably bring my car to a stop in the 300 m my lights illuminate.

    68. Re:Cool by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      still, most of pedestrians hit by car at night are a result of the driver getting blinded by oncoming car's headlights, going too far right and not seeing the pedestrian at all.

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    69. Re:Cool by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      depending on the oncoming car's speed, maybe 2-3s after the car passed, but good 4-8s (often more) while the car is approaching.

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    70. Re:Cool by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      And you can get boxes of the same thing from any of the big box home improvement stores. I bought some to go along a walkway. Nice accentuation lighting, but the cheap nicads are shot in about a year.

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    71. Re:Cool by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      It likely would. Unfortunately, we've got an entire industry built around government regulations about nightime vehicle lighting.

      It's a tough call though - if you don't have good night vision, you're definitely better off with headlights (and the incumbent blindness associated with oncoming traffic lights on a dark two-way street late at night. or that yahoo who doesn't turn his high-beams off.). And there's no real measure of "good night vision", nor what extent of the populace has it.

    72. Re:Cool by labradore · · Score: 1

      It's mildly interesting that they've solved this problem. But, the most important thing question is: can they make this thing where the need it or near where they need it? All these whiz-bang gizmos solve one technical problem. They don't solve the 1000 logistical and economic problems that remain getting the gizmos to where they're ostensibly useful.

  4. I'll be impressed when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the damn light bulb can charge itself continuously from its own light output!

    1. Re:I'll be impressed when... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      But don't let it get out of control because more input means more output and that might never end.

    2. Re:I'll be impressed when... by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      We FOLLOW the laws of thermodynamics in this household, young man!

  5. Not a first, I think... by blankinthefill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, considering that these: http://www.siliconsolar.com/solar-garden-lights.html, have been around for many years, I think 'first' is a bit of a stretch. They may have made them CHEAPER, and longer lasting, or more useful, but certainly not FIRST.

    1. Re:Not a first, I think... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Also I did hear about solar powered kerosene lamp replacements being deployed in West Africa about three years or more ago. I thought they were actually cheaper than this although some assembly is required.

    2. Re:Not a first, I think... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      In fact I am pretty sure I have seen lanterns exactly like this in the shops. Solar panel on top. Batteries and LED lights. You hang it in the sun during the day.

    3. Re:Not a first, I think... by WeatherGod · · Score: 1

      That didn't stop Microsoft from implying that Windows 7 was the first OS with all sorts of things, why should it stop these people?

    4. Re:Not a first, I think... by besalope · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my International Management course we learned about an initiative to work with 3rd world countries to help provide 1 Watt Solar Panels, rechargeable batteries, and LED arrays as kerosene replacements. The systems only cost about $100 at the time (2 years or so ago) and it paid itself off in about 5 months due to the price of kerosene.

    5. Re:Not a first, I think... by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Ever used those things? They suck. It's basically a single, low-power LED rigged up to a rechargeable battery. They're generally designed to illuminate a walkway at night (VERY little light output - just enough to see by), and all the ones I've used are barely able to do that.

      A light bulb suggests that there's actually a meaningful amount of light. The little garden lights don't compare, even if the concept is similar.

      As an aside, the garden lights can be had for about five bucks each (in a pack of six or eight) at most home improvement stores... well below the $10/pc@4doz mentioned in TFS.

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    6. Re:Not a first, I think... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Ever used those things? They suck. It's basically a single, low-power LED rigged up to a rechargeable battery. They're generally designed to illuminate a walkway at night (VERY little light output - just enough to see by), and all the ones I've used are barely able to do that.

      They do what they are intended for. Double the solar panel area, increase the light output, switch the lights so you can use them for a couple of hours at a time. Now you have a product which may be the difference between an African kid being able to study at night, or not. More light would be good but some is better than nothing at all.

    7. Re:Not a first, I think... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      Actually if we're talking solar path lights some of them are actually fairly bright and last the entire evening using two LEDs and two batteries.

      In theory you could take a bunch of them without the ground spikes, punch holes in a tin roof, and install them so the solar panel is on the outside while the light is on the inside. (Sealing the roof for leaks obviously)

      Do that with enough of them and you have bright enough light to read at night.

      And since you can buy a brace of them cheap at local big-box stores the manufacturing cost for these has got to be pretty inexpensive. Buying a bunch of these would be a considerably cheaper solution than this new "lightbulb".

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    8. Re:Not a first, I think... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Yeah reading this article I am plotting a project for next weekend. I have an old solar panel intended to boost a car battery when the car is not in use. I have an old six volt gel cell battery okay for float charging. I can buy a single white high intensity LED.

      The problem is that when I go into the garage at night it is too dark to see where I am going. The florescent light takes too long to start but a little light which is always on will make all the difference. The idea would be to mount the solar cell on the roof and run a cable through an existing gap in the steel. Maybe I will create a circuit which cuts the LED off during the day.

    9. Re:Not a first, I think... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      We've got ultra-bright 1W diodes, now. Two companies I know of have smashed 150 lux/w and thus are surpassing HIDs in visual efficiency. I think Cree smashed the 200 lux/w, which just blows away any HID out there. Get two High-capacity NiMH batteries (each holding about 4w of power) and a joule thief hooked to a micro-amplifier and solar panel, and you could light a desk for a night, at about the same cost as this solution in TFA, and at very likely near the same price line.

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  6. New? by Dan+East · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Isn't this the exact same thing as the exterior lights people stick in the ground along their steps and walkways around their homes? They charge in the daytime and come on at night for a couple hours. This is just a slightly different form factor is all.

    And I don't think it is accurate calling it a "lightbulb". It is a "bulb-shaped" electronic device, but it is not a bulb.

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    1. Re:New? by dwillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except those LED lights ($3.99 at Walmart) tend to shine for six hours or more, not a paltry 2 hours. I have a couple single LED lights among the set in my yard that will often still be lit when I leave for work in the morning.

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    2. Re:New? by Nikkos · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.walmart.com/ip/Westinghouse-Solar-6-Piece-Pinnacle-Garden-Light-Set/13446849

      dunno which 3.99 one's he's talking about, but it's feasible considering the cost of these.

    3. Re:New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:New? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Let’s bet they are only a third as bright too?

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  7. I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already have one. It's called a MIRROR.

    1. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, if you put a big enough mirror far enough out in space, you could provide daylight at all times.

    2. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could probably fry some ants too!

  8. Two Hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather have the same brightness as a kerosene lamp for ten hours than five times the brightness for only two hours.

    1. Re:Two Hours? by scotch · · Score: 1

      Why, do you never sleep?

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      you know the saying "Chuck Norris doesnt sleep, he waits"

      Although Chuck Norris isnt afraid of the dark, so obviously wouldnt need a light, and he sure as hell wouldnt post as "Anonymous Coward"

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  9. Bulbs don't consume a lot of power ? by parallel_prankster · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Seriously, how about solar powered other things like water boilers that everyone needs in developing nations. The bulb takes 1 day to light up for 2 hrs which does not seem like a lot and that too depends on the weather. Does it hold it's charge for long? I think bulbs are cheap anyway, are not power-consuming monsters and GE already has cheaper and relatively more energy efficient bulbs out. It could be used in disaster-struck areas, that is a good point, but I have seen people come out with generator trucks for such areas and/or people getting rescued and taken to an area with power too. But it could still make things easier and we could soon see food packets with solar bulbs dropped in such areas :).

    1. Re:Bulbs don't consume a lot of power ? by sadness203 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It already exist, in another form.
      SODIS

  10. Unfortunately... by SuperCharlie · · Score: 1

    $15 is likely a month or more salary in most undeveloped countries.

    1. Re:Unfortunately... by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      True. Here's hoping the economies of scale can get prices lower over time.

    2. Re:Unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't matter when the US and other countries subsidize developing countries.

    3. Re:Unfortunately... by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. But I suppose if you are one of the wealthier people where $15 is only a weeks salary, you might consider this. Afterall, you won't get electrical lighting any other way. But then again, it's probably still much more affordable to go with kerosene.

    4. Re:Unfortunately... by timmarhy · · Score: 0

      not to mention you can already by garden lights that do exactly this.i think this whole story is fucking stupid.

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    5. Re:Unfortunately... by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This isn't meant for third world applications, despite the company propaganda. It is meant for North Americans, for patio lanterns and camping and such. There's no reason that a third world solar powered bulb would be shaped like a North American bulb, complete with screw threads moulded into the plastic on the top. It's meant to be cute. Third world doesn't buy cute, they buy functional. North America buys cute.

      From Nokero's website:

      Coleman lanterns are popular, but the Nokero is like a solar Coleman lantern powered by sunlight rather than gas lantern technology, so it can also be used for recreational purposes. It can provide emergency light during or after natural disasters, it can be an outdoor recreation and camping lantern, or it can be used in and around outdoor patios.

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    6. Re:Unfortunately... by kcelery · · Score: 1

      a $15 light bulb is something you have to hire a body guard to secure if you hang it in the open.

    7. Re:Unfortunately... by gringofrijolero · · Score: 1

      Third world doesn't buy cute...

      You would hope...

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    8. Re:Unfortunately... by SuperCharlie · · Score: 1

      Apparently the original poster got it wrong.. "Nokero is trying to replace traditional kerosene lamps in developing countries with its solar-powered N100 LED lightbulbs."

    9. Re:Unfortunately... by hattig · · Score: 1

      So your entire village clubs together and gets them for under $10 apiece...

      I just think that the design is odd, four dinky little solar panels that won't ever be angled perfectly for sunlight capture. Far better to have all those panels separate, maybe even fixed in a good location, and to plug the light in to charge during the day. Or to have the top part of the bulb be some form of focussing material that will focus sunlight onto a single solar panel at the focal point.

      As an extreme example, you could invent a means of carrying electricity from the panels to the battery+bulb over a short distance, and keep the bulb inside, and the panel outside. The bulb would recharge from sunrise until sunset with no user action required, nor having to display it on a post outside their residence.

    10. Re:Unfortunately... by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      I think they would want to sell to North Americans. We have a huge amount of disposable income, buy into the whole green thing, and feel bad about how bad things are in Africa. By selling huge volumes to us, they can develop processes to manufacture these cheaply, and make them more affordable to 3rd worlders.

      There's no reason that a third world solar powered bulb would be shaped like a North American bulb, complete with screw threads moulded into the plastic on the top. It's meant to be cute.

      Why reinvent the wheel? I am assuming that the bulb included in this thing is also manufactured and sold separately. Designing a manufacturing process just to produce this one component of a clearly niche product seems more wasteful than just grabbing components off the shelf.

    11. Re:Unfortunately... by Syberz · · Score: 1

      $15 is likely a month or more salary in most undeveloped countries

      And probably the cost of a kerosene lamp and 1 year's worth of kerosene for it which, incidentally, will stay lit for more than 2 hours and provide light when there's a cloudy, rainy day.

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  11. Oblig. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that's what I call a bright idea!

  12. What they're really afraid of. by The+Altruist · · Score: 5, Funny

    But they are afraid of Chuck Norris. So is the dark.

    1. Re:What they're really afraid of. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      So does this make darkness a clear indication of the absence of Chuck Norris?

      Because seriously, I'm considering putting my hands over my eyes right now!

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    2. Re:What they're really afraid of. by xOneca · · Score: 1

      I would say that the absence of darkness is a clear indication of the presence of Chuck Norris.

  13. Amazing technological advancements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm still awestruck by the novelty of this invention. Who would have ever thought to combine a solar cell, light bulb and battery to produce a solar powered lantern. I mean its not like you could just waltz into your local hardware store and...oh wait..

    "The LEDs are meant to last 50,000 to 100,000 hours, and the solar panels are rated to last 10 years. The life of the N100 is basically 5 to 10 years, according to Nokero representative"

    Leave it to the "Nokero representative" to conviently skip over the part about where they disclose how often the batteries need to be replaced.

  14. One day of charging = two hours of light by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have had some experience with kerosene.

    But this lamp seems least useful where it would be most needed - where days are short, nights are long, and the weather uncooperative.

    1. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by SuperCharlie · · Score: 1

      Agreed.. my first thought was instead of this.. why not those windup LED jobs.. I bet theyre about the same price and as long as you can wind, you can have light...

    2. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by Cylix · · Score: 1

      My first thought was the kerosene lamp is also a bit more rugged. They can generally take a few hits, dirt and even a good bit of rust. Conversely, I get a sense the solar powered replacement may break with a few days of usage.

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    3. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not entirely sure where you got 2 hours from.

      Five LEDs and a replaceable NiMH battery inside provide up to four hours of light when the device is fully charged.

      What if you charged multiple bulbs instead of 1 per person?

      Charge up 2 and BAM, 8 hours of light. Charge 3 and you've got 12 hours there which should be enough for most folks.

      Also to that other guy

      why not those windup LED jobs.. I bet theyre about the same price and as long as you can wind, you can have light...

      There's the fact you have to wind it and the windup jobs don't give continuous light well, the end of the charges are usually dimmer from what I've seen of the few I've used. Most of their charges are also fairly short when compared to time spent, and sometimes you'd like to be hands free while working at night or you'd like to

      But with that, it's primarily dependent on the brightness and consistency of bright light in this solar bulb. Until I see it for myself for the maximum time, I can't really say yea or nay on it.

      Also, enough with the ellipsis. Please.

    4. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These things are incredibly useful.
      There was even one i found that had USB ports on it.

      I have 2 of them, one in my little "YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE NOW" pack of important things.
      Always be prepared. You never know when dinosaurs from outer space might suddenly attack.

    5. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many "developing nations" with no electrical grid relying on kerosene lamps are that far from the equator? Take a quick look at a map of the world - most of the developing nations are within 30 degrees of the equator. The weather might be bad some days, but the days never get all that short nor the nights all that long.

    6. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The typical solar lamps I've seen aren't too terrible if used within reason. Their real weakness is weathering. (These are outdoor lights, so there is some reasonable expectation of weatherproofness.) When left outdoors as intended to collect the sun, after a year or so moisture finds its way into the solar cells and causes delamination or it gets into the battery compartment and corrodes the terminals. Surprisingly enough though despite the other common failures, the LED light(s) and control circuit are pretty much intact and unscathed. If they'd make the damn things to better resist temperature changes and rain or humidity, they'd be a lot more worthwhile. I suppose the poor design is somewhat intentional though. Why have a light that could last years when there's more profit in making them so they last only one?

      It's also not out of the realm of possibility to make a solar powered light that is rugged. Rust shouldn't be a problem at all with composite plastic enclosures. And depending on the plastic used, UV or cold embrittlement can be greatly reduced. (There are many power tools and "industrial grade" electronics that demonstrate plastics can be close to bulletproof in reliability.) Using a decent sealant or gaskets could keep moisture out of the vulnerable parts. The problem is finding a manufacturer who would be willing to make something with such features, good QC, and a reasonable (affordable to the poor) price.

    7. Re:One day of charging = two hours of light by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been to a hot area? Nothing happens in the middle of the day, because it's too damn hot to move. So people do things into the evening, and into the night. These lights will also allow farmers to learn to read at night, and other such educational activities during otherwise "down" times.

      You're being a bit short-sighted.

  15. And per the earlier post... by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 1

    Can Lightbulbs Be Made To Work When They're Off?

  16. Bogolights are also good ... by jrifkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have owned a couple of Boglights for a few years now and they've been solidly reliable. They can last up to 6 hours on a days charge, they work as both a flashlight and an area light, they give 6 levels of light, and are designed for developing countries. However, they cost twice as much, $30 a light. This page has a lot of technical information about them, http://www.bogolight.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BOGO-BUYONESN2&Show=TechSpecs

    1. Re:Bogolights are also good ... by gninnor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They look better thought out than the light bulb shaped N100 LED bulbs. The solar panels on the N100 are pointed in such a way that only half of them could be put even approximately facing the sun and are pointed down at a steep angle if hung up to charge. I would rather be able to aim the solar panel. Over all it looks like the N100 looks like it was designed by marketing, those Boglights seem a bit better thought out.

    2. Re:Bogolights are also good ... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The solar panels on the N100 are pointed in such a way that only half of them could be put even approximately facing the sun"

      Incorrect. If you point the top of this bulb directly towards the sun, every panel is well-illuminated.

      Now keeping it pointed at the sun is a different story.

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    3. Re:Bogolights are also good ... by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      the angle at which they are placed would probably mean that pointing the screw end directly to the sun, will ensure each panel catches only a fraction of the light compared to one panel placed at a 90 degree angle to the sun

      i'm pretty sure the geometry of the panels on this thing could be optimised to give two-three times better performance, but that would mean sacrifing the cute 'lightbulb' shape.

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    4. Re:Bogolights are also good ... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Actually, there's a reason we angle panels just off-axis to the sun - increased photon exposure in earlier hours, as you don't have to wait for the sun to creep up enough to illuminate the entire panel. The increase is minimal but it's there.

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  17. Portable lamp by LongearedBat · · Score: 2, Informative

    During the day you hang it from the metal clip on a branch (with no foliage) or a string (like a washing line). Or, simply place it on a safe surface somewhere that catches the sun.

    At night you either hang it from the metal clip or screw it in. By the picture, it looks like there is a black "on" button at the top that may work such that screwing it in further switches it on (would have to remove the clip though).

    1. Re:Portable lamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but, they're ALL niggers, so it would just get stolen back again.

  18. Ikea buy one give one by xzvf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ikea was selling a $19.99 solar reading lamp that if you bought one, one was sent to Africa. Even if they didn't make a profit, that means the light cost significantly less than $15 dollars individually. Plus the LED is bright and lasts six hours easily.

    1. Re:Ikea buy one give one by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I was also a bit surprised that they claimed that these were novel. I've had a few in my garden for seven years (I bought them when the corner shop was clearing out old stock at a huge discount - they'd been available for a few years with no one buying them). My next-door neighbour has some that are only a couple of years old, which work a lot better. They have a solar panel which charges them during the day and then start to glow when there isn't enough power from the panel to charge them. Maybe sending them to countries without electricity infrastructure is a new idea, but bulbs with solar panels definitely isn't.

      The interesting thing about this article is that it makes you wonder whether electricity infrastructure will go the same way as telecoms infrastructure. Currently, all of the early adopters of wired telephone have a huge investment in almost useless infrastructure, while countries that missed that revolution are deploying wireless connections for the last mile and large bundles of fibre for the rest. Power distribution infrastructure may go the same way, with countries that didn't invest in large grids deploying small distributed installations of solar panels, wind generators, and small storage systems.

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  19. Replacement term for 3rd world by xzvf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Diplomats adjust terms to keep from offending nations where people have little income and limited freedom. During the cold war there was the 1st world (NATO, neutral western Europe, Japan), 2nd world (Warsaw Pact), and 3rd world (everyone else). Late in the cold war, 3rd world was replaced by developing nations to counter the Soviet goal of creating Communist revolutions, and indicate the new US policy economic development (replacing the anti-Communist strongman policy). After the cold war saw the creating of the emerging economies (BRIC {Brazil, Russia [after deflating the CIA myth of a Soviet economy as large as the US], India, and China}, Asian tigers {primarily South Korea and Singapore} and former purgatory countries {South Africa [Aparthid] and Israel [peace treaty with Egypt]. The former 1st world is now called developed. So now we have Developed, Emerging and Developing. Of course people closer to the academic world will know the newest buzzwords.

    1. Re:Replacement term for 3rd world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Diplomats adjust terms to keep from offending nations where people have little income and limited freedom.

      And what country is that where you live, xzvf, where you have "unlimited freedom"? USA? Europe?

      C'mon, it is exactly in a "developing" country where you will find real freedom.

    2. Re:Replacement term for 3rd world by grcumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      C'mon, it is exactly in a "developing" country where you will find real freedom.

      If by freedom, you mean freedom from government services, including police, education and health services, then yes, you'd be right.

      I live in a country with a lot of freedom as defined above. Trust me, the malaria, dengue, lack of dentists and occasional outbreaks of mob violence make it a taste that few would willingly acquire, given the choice....

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    3. Re:Replacement term for 3rd world by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jeremy Clarkson:

      "There are two ways a truly civilised and advanced nation can be defined. One, it has a fleet of nuclear submarines, and two, it does not have the death penalty. That leaves you with France and Britain. And that’s about right. "

    4. Re:Replacement term for 3rd world by 0101000001001010 · · Score: 1

      All countries are referred to as "developed." It is now politically correct to divide them into more developed countries (MDC) and less developed countries (LDC). Ah, progress.

  20. Isn't a solar powered light bulb called ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a window?

  21. batteries by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    Just what I was wondering. How long will the battery last? 2 years? Miserable battery life is my number 1 complaint about UPSes.

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    1. Re:batteries by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      not to mention that this thing is supposed to hang out in the sun in a 3rd world country for an entire day, can you imagine what all that heat will do to the enclosed battery?

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  22. infinite energy! by oddTodd123 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait, since these bulbs also give off light, if you use the light from the solar-charged bulb to charge more bulbs, you can then use those bulbs when the first one goes out, and use the second round of bulbs to re-charge the first round, ad infinitum! Suck on that von Mayer!

  23. Like a submarine with screen doors? by pacbowl · · Score: 1

    There's got to be a joke in here somewhere.

  24. Wow, just wow by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    Gotta love slashdot. Light bulbs running on sunlight! Transistors working when they're off! Lying about the lie detector!

    What next? Honest politicians? Transparent intelligence organisations? Intelligent news consumers?

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  25. Wait Wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard this one before, it's by the same inventors of the submarine screen-door right?

  26. i like my camp lights to use nuclear fuel by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:i like my camp lights to use nuclear fuel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you think you aren't kidding, but the mantle is not consumed so it's obviously not fuel, it's analogous to the wire in an ordinary light bulb.

  27. 15$? Lots of money for the poor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean come on: 15$ is more than many people for whom this is targeted make in a whole month. It might be nice tech and all, but the ones that would profit most from this won't have the the money. Looks more like a 'feel good' product for people in the rich developed world.

  28. Tim Hornyak got paid by juventasone · · Score: 3, Informative

    As someone posted in the article's comments, there is already a cheaper, better-designed, and longer-lasting product already in-use in the developing world.

    1. Re:Tim Hornyak got paid by owlstead · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if that is a better product since that website is very poorly designed. To me, it looks like a product that still needs introducing. It does not really go into enough details on the products defined and to top it off, there is no price information at all. OK, send email, but if it is so cheap, why not advertise it as such?

  29. Charge cellphones too. by FishTankX · · Score: 1

    What would really make this light a leap forward, is if they also provided a USB port for recharging phones.

    Alot of people in rural areas have to go far away to recharge their cellphone. Being able to do it at home, on the cheap, rolled into an item they already buy, would make a sweet deal even sweeter. And it's likely that one day's output of this device would equate to several days of standby.

    1. Re:Charge cellphones too. by b0bby · · Score: 1

      The problem is, to do that you'd need a MUCH bigger solar panel. I have one of these:
      http://www.amazon.com/Powermonkey-eXplorer-Portable-Charger-Solar/dp/B000Y9KW9G
      and the solar panel in full sunlight can just barely charge a phone. It can get the battery pack it comes with most of the way charged in a couple of days, which you can then use to recharge your phone. It's better than nothing, but it's not going to do that and be a light source too...

  30. New Inventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Solar powered sun tanning machine
    2) Small petrol engine ear aid recharger for deaf people
    3) manually powered pushbike
    4) Ball of string to do away with the need for lights

  31. Price? by Altanar · · Score: 1

    5 times as bright as a kerosene lamp? For $15? Why is it then, that other LED lightbulbs with a comparable brightness and no solar powered extras cost $50+ each?

  32. Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only did you move the goalposts, it's not even the same game any more. Seriously, WTF?

  33. Poor Aussies by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    By you logic, Australia would be part of the 3rd world.

    What has the 3rd world ever done to you to deserve that?

    The term is indeed pretty flexible and highly political. Animal Planet has all these "animal cop" shows. Sometimes very hard to see the difference between a show in South Africa/England and the US of A.

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    1. Re:Poor Aussies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget that our government serves under Her Majesty The Queen of Australia, you insolent clod!

  34. This is wrong on so many levels! by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    Ok, first of all, it's not a light bulb, it's LEDs. Secondly, it's not the first, solar powered light has existed for decades! Third, I hope they didn't get a patent for the idea of combining solar cells with LEDs.

  35. This design sucks :( by tibit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just look at it. The design has abysmal panel coverage. Do note that there seems to be a couple mm of margin around the solar panel within the area covered by the clear plastic meniscus. They could have rather trivially increased the panel coverage by a factor of two, and with a bit more sweat it could have been 3x larger. I'd also like to see how they waterproofed the switch's operator (the black button protruding on top). It's not a trivial task, as not only you get water going straight down onto the switch, but also you get dirt from your fingers that will act to eat away any O-ring-like seal arrangements.

    I'd also like to know what sort of power conditioning electronics do they use to charge the rechargeable cells, and to extract power from them. Designing efficient micropower power converters is quite an undertaking if you don't have an engineer who has done that once or twice (and done it well).

    Having seen the abysmal design of common solar-powered garden lights, I don't really have high hopes. Now if anyone wonders: your typical $3.99 garden light sucks at power conversion efficiency. And by sucks I mean it's underperforming by 60%+. And the cell life is shortened as well: it's hard to maintain cell life without a power converter when all you have for energy source is PV cells.

    Jim Williams should tackle that one and write it up in an app note ;)

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  36. Battery life too short by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    It's a neat idea but I don't think it's a new idea.

    How about they make it run for 5 times longer at a fifth of the brightness? Half the world would put these things up in their driveway.

  37. World's first? WTF? by volpe · · Score: 1

    What's different about these? This sort of thing has been available in garden and landscaping shops for years.

    1. Re:World's first? WTF? by Yaos · · Score: 1

      It's from Hong Kong, that means they actually called it the Woilds Foist in an attempt to trick people into thinking it's something else. See the Vii, WiWi, and the thousands of LCD games modeled to look like real game consoles and handhelds.

  38. The Bulb Project by Bugamn · · Score: 1

    Is this thread a test to solve the classical question, how many slashdotters you need to comment on a light bulb exchange?

  39. sEQUENTIAL USE? by spineboy · · Score: 1

    So get more than one light bulb per room and use the next when the first runs out.

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  40. Hong Kong company?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure it wasn't a POLISH company that invented the solar powered light bulb ??

  41. Also by that same company by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    ...what, they've also created a sunscreen that is activated in the shade?

  42. Nonsense Alert by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    I have a neighbor that has those solar powered bulbs on a spike all over his lawn. I guess both he and Home Depot are unaware that these bulbs are not on the market yet.

  43. wires (the grid) are expensive in 3rd world by peter303 · · Score: 1

    If you can cheaply offer alternatives to expensive electricty grids, that could be a boon to the 3rd world. Cellphone technology is popular for precisely that reason.

  44. In Other News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MIT Researchers Develop Wind Powered Fan!

  45. Well... by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    Four hours of light is better than none, but LED lights generally suck for much else besides spot lighting. Good idea; needs improvement.

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  46. this... by hitmark · · Score: 1

    reminds me of these novelty maps:
    http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/994a/

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  47. Home Depot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had these for years in my yard. You can buy them at home depot and they last a lot longer than 2 hrs.

  48. Works best at night dept by TimGreenhalgh · · Score: 1

    Top post! Made my day early - "works best at night dept." Thank you :)