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California Tracks Parolees With GPS, Then Ignores Alerts

An anonymous reader writes "Several years ago, California decided to require high-risk parolees, such as gang members and sex offenders, to wear GPS monitoring devices. The idea was to relay location information to law enforcement to ensure that the convicts stay where they're supposed to. Unfortunately, the state often misses acting on those alerts, making the devices both a lesson in the pitfalls of technology management and a massive exercise in largely useless spending."

160 comments

  1. Won't somebody think of the children! by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, I'd like to know who was in charge of the system, that way I can never hire the guy.

    or at least I'd like to know WHY nobody acted on it, maybe he had no budget to do anything?

    1. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Really, I'd like to know who was in charge of the system, that way I can never hire the guy. or at least I'd like to know WHY nobody acted on it, maybe he had no budget to do anything?

      Probably the are underfunded and have already too many bigger problems they don't have time to investigate.

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    2. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and have already too many bigger problems they don't have time to investigate.

      Convicted violent felons violating the terms of their parole don't represent a sufficiently big enough problem to investigate? Hell, there wouldn't even be a long drawn out investigation. *keystrokes*, "Hmm, looks like he is at Sams Club, send a radio car to that location...."

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    3. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you talking about? The system worked perfectly:

      - the leaders spent a lot of money
      - they bragged about it in their monthly newsletters
      - the voters FELT safe and happy

      This system worked just as planned by the politicians. They made Californians feel safe and happy and warm inside. Bread and circuses.

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    4. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Informative

      or at least I'd like to know WHY nobody acted on it,

      Because they don't care. They don't *have* to. They're government workers. It's almost impossible to get fired from a government job in this state. They sit around not caring, spending other people money, and then retire early with a golden pension and health benefits. *That's* what is bankrupting the state. The public employee unions have complete and total control over the state legislature, but all the ideologues sit around in their reality bubbles and echo chambers blaming everything else.

      There was a high profile murder case just this year where the guy was out on parole, violated parole almost ten times, had a psychologist evaluate him an a major risk, but no one did boo about it. No one cared, and another young woman was slaughtered for no damn reason.

    5. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I then assume the system was put in place for political reasons, some company that makes the stuff likely convinced some politician that the system was bullet proof, and sold him overnight.

      I then assume that the body required to implement this project then likely said: "Sure, we can do that, but we need more money."

      on being denied that money, I would have expected them to take this to the press. get some public attention to look at the matter, see why the government is proposing solutions that there's no money for.

    6. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      California prisons are overfull and underfunded, they are operating at somewhere near twice capacity. They don't have enough guards and on a lot of the prisons the guard towers around the perimeter are empty: you could just drive a truck through the fence, pick someone up and leave before anyone realized what was happening. If you are a non-violent criminal, you will probably only need to serve half or even a quarter of your sentence before being released. In addition, the prison systems are an inefficient bureaucracy. They send prisoners to different places to get check-ups that could be easily done in one place, things like that. All this information I got from my uncle who is a prison administrator, so take it for what it's worth.

      If you are wondering why the prisons in California are so full, it's because a few years ago we passed a "three strikes you're out" law, which means repeat offenders get life imprisonment. So they are trying creative stuff like this. Guess it's not working.

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    7. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, they don't have time for that.

      But notice that they know every time Lindsy Lohan has had a drink and it shows up on her device...

    8. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I share your emotional reaction to this budget exercise a lot. A lot.

      But. I think that there still might be some positive outcome from this: at least in the beginning parolees had a feeling that they are being watched and that feeling may be prevented them from committing more crime than they would have committed without GPS devices. This is just a hypothesis which quite hard to check: crime statistics dynamics depends on many factors and it is impossible to separate the influence of just one of them.

      Of course now that they know (or at least those of them who are avid readers of signonsandiego or slashdot) that nobody cares about their latitudes and longitudes, this factor is probably gone.

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    9. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      No, with her you just assume she's drinking, use the GPS to locate her and well..you're never wrong.

    10. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Really, I'd like to know who was in charge of the system, that way I can never hire the guy. or at least I'd like to know WHY nobody acted on it, maybe he had no budget to do anything?

      Probably the are underfunded and have already too many bigger problems they don't have time to investigate.

      Yeah, they're too busy arresting and fining people for nonviolent drug offenses to be bothered with such trivial things like gang members and sex offenders.

      Seriously. End the war on drugs. Now. Then be amazed at the vast law enforcement resources that become available to prosecute crimes that cannot be described as "victimless". We sure do hate common sense in this country.

    11. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd suggest it has nothing to do with government workers. Its like that fancy system monitoring software you got for your IT department. Shows all kinds of alarms and alerts - they they cut your entire department. Are you going to spend your day acting on alarms, or answering help desk emails? If your time is split between all that - stuff is going to slip by the wayside.

    12. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Even if nobody acts on the alarms, there's still a log file.

      So if a crime is committed somewhere, it will be relatively easy to check whether any of the paroled felons were in the vicinity when it happened.

      So, deterrence factor against committing further crimes will still exist.

    13. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Bakkster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Convicted violent felons violating the terms of their parole don't represent a sufficiently big enough problem to investigate? Hell, there wouldn't even be a long drawn out investigation. *keystrokes*, "Hmm, looks like he is at Sams Club, send a radio car to that location...."

      This is California. You think they have gas money for their patrol cars to get them to the parole violator's location? Let alone the money for additional cops who aren't making money for the state (such as speeding tickets or issuing other fines)?

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    14. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Upgrade the system to a wedlock-like system. That will serve as a great incentive for the wearers.

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    15. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Paracelcus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the biggest problems in that the law does not differentiate between the Pedo that rapes a little kid and an 18 year old who bones his 16 year old girlfriend or the 70 year old weenie wagger.

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    16. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by sepiid · · Score: 1

      they were under funded because they spent all the money on gps trackers that they were not going to use. this is typical big brother / gooberment

    17. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're too busy arresting and fining people for nonviolent drug offenses to be bothered with such trivial things like gang members and sex offenders.

      I'd mod this up if I could.

      we as a people need to get over the whole "drugs can be bad for EVERYBODY" kick. legalize -> distribute -> make some money and make people aware of what some of them can do to you.

      though, oxycontin is perfectly legal as we type, and yet there have been four stores in my city alone that have been robbed at gunpoint for their 10-20 Gram reserves.

      the only way to remove demand is to provide a supply. making it a criminal offence to possess/distribute only leads to a market of majority, which means that a minority of people are trying to tell a majority of voters what's good for them.

    18. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever get fitted with an ankle bracelet wrap it in tinfoil for 24 hours and see what happens. If the answer is nothing (as it is in the UK and appears to be in California) then you can return to your life of crime without being tracked.

    19. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      there's automatically a log file held on GPS satellite of what device ID requested their position?
      that's not how the system works.

      just because they SHOULD be monitoring and logging all this data, doesn't mean they are. being public infrastructure: I'd like to see how it works, see how the data is logged, see where it's physically kept, see how the software works,

      what are my chances as a taxpayer to review government operation? hmmn? anybody know the details?

    20. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your uncle is part of the problem. The prisons are not underfunded. The prisons are waste too much money.

      Remember, it costs California $47,000 per-inmate annually, which is 50 percent higher than the national average. There are approximately 170,000 people in California prisons. That works out to almost 10% of the budget. If the cost were more in line with the rest of the nation, it would save over $2 billion.

      Ask your uncle why it costs a third more to house an inmate in California. I guarantee you he won't say it is because he is overpaid, but that is the case.

      I support three-strikes laws. If one is going to be an habitual repeat offender, I see no need to let one out.

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    21. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe so, but they still have time to deal with a high profile case like her before the sex offenders.

    22. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Convicted violent felons violating the terms of their parole don't represent a sufficiently big enough problem to investigate?"

      Not in California.

      Their society reflects the choices citizens and government make.

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    23. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Texas may not be AS BAD as California - but they are working on it. A prisoner convinced the entire prison system that he was paralyzed, couldn't walk, and rolled around the prison in a wheelchair for quite a long time. Then, he convinced the prison officials that he needed some kind of medical attention, which required he be sent to a more central location, with better facilities. Somewhere between here and there, he pulled a weapon, relieved his two guards of THEIR weapons, and took off. Wasn't paralyzed at all!!

      The shitbird didn't stay free for long though. The inept bungler was recaptured, without resistance, in about a week.

      http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/02/texas.escaped.prisoner/

      Oh - another story of ineptitude, in Houston. A teen was arrested, searched, taken to the local jail, and during his booking, he was "strip searched". No cop is allowed in the same room with him while naked, so you have one cop looking in through a doorway on one side, and another cop looking in through a doorway from the other side. The kid managed to smuggle a pistol into his jail cell, because the cops couldn't watch the kid.

      I'll bet every state in this country has similar stories to tell. People joke about backwoods inbred Arkansans - but we had a scene out of one of those stupid movies. A prisoner sweet talked the jail warden's wife into giving him a gun and a vehicle.

      Phhht.

      As long as there are people, we can be assured that stupidity will survive.

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    24. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      The victims are not your friends, your family, and hopefully, not you.

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    25. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it was put in place for economic reasons. These bracelets are a lot cheaper than keeping these people in jail, where dangerous people SHOULD be kept. If someone really, really wants to rape and kill kids, will knowing he was in the vicinity after the fact really bring back the victims? This outcry was triggered by a monitored parolee committing murder. One has to ask, if they had followed up on every alarm, would that really have prevented the murders? The only way to make sure these people don't re-offend is to keep their asses in jail. A bracelet is just like a restraining order; if someone is willing to break the law, it does nothing to stop them. It only alerts people slightly earlier that they are doing something wrong.

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    26. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by noidentity · · Score: 1

      What, are you suggesting they release all those extremely dangerous potheads? Imagine all the non-violent acts they'd unleash on the communities.

    27. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      I disagree with the cynical premise of your post, and with the bias of the articles in general.

      The question is: Did the system work better than what was used before? A single incident demonstrates a problem in the system, but doesn't answer the question of the general effectiveness of the system compared to alternatives.

    28. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      No the question is: Did the new system work better than the old system PER CAPITA? If the new system cost 1 million per parolee caught outside his assigned zone, versus $100,000 per parolee caught, then the older system was better.

      And I'm cynical because the fact politicians spent money on a new system, but failed to hire people to track its output, indicates to me they were never serious. They just wanted something to put in their "re-elect me" pamphlets.

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    29. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone is thinking of the children, but the police aren't monitoring his GPS tag.

    30. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I live in San Diego, one of the most idiotic knee-jerking cities for this ever since that offender raped and killed those 2 girls, and the problem in TFA was just described in a recent newspaper.

      The problem with those things is that there are too many damn false alarms(such as the bracelets accidentally breaking or running low on power), or true alarms which don't warrant attention(for example, when a person who's supposed to stay 2000 feet away from a school has to briefly come within 1900 feet on their way home etc.)

      It's kinda like UAC: when so many seemingly insignificant warnings keep popping up, you learn to ignore the messages and keep clicking "OK."

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    31. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by nigelo · · Score: 1

      "Informative"? I believe this is reactionary hyperbole.

      I don't believe that the budget can be balanced by reducing State workers' benefits.

      "Benefits will be continue reduced until morale/work product/level of caring improves."

      And reducing the benefits and/or number of employees is hardly going to help get those remaining "to do boo about" parole violations, is it?

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    32. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is California. All of their gas money is going to pay for the pensions and benefits of all the police officers, firemen and prison guards who decided to cash in at age 55 and enjoy $200,000/year retirement plans for the rest of their lives (plans negotiated by their unions).

    33. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to make sure these people don't re-offend is to keep their asses in jail.

      Keeping their asses in jail would make it a lot less likely that they re-offend. The only way to make sure they don't re-offend is to execute them.

    34. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, jails are built for economic reasons too. They are built to optimize the returns for politicians and their clients.

      What jails are not necessarily built to do is be part of a rational, effective response to crime.

      As an engineer, how would you optimize the use of a limited budget to reduce crime? You'd start with some kind of model. What kinds of crimes and criminals are there? What are the situations in which criminals commit crimes. Then you'd work out interventions to take in each case. One of the things he'd probably do is work out is segregate the convicted criminals who are pose a high risk to people, and he'd make sure they get the longest possible prison time.

      Since that leaves a lot fewer prison beds, and building and maintaining more prison space is expensive, he'd probably move the least dangerous criminals out to parole earlier. If that involved monitoring, he'd work out the most likely failure modes to GPS monitoring, and have a response for that worked out and ready.

      What he wouldn't do is put somebody who poses a risk to the public out on a GPS device, then have no system for responding to the failure of those devices. Putting GPS devices on those guys turns the monitoring procedure into a man-rated system.

      I'm not one of those engineers who think the world would be better if it were run by engineers. But I do think it would be a hell of a lot better if more people could learn to think like one when the need arose.

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    35. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Yet every time Britney spears gets in trouble, they have an escort of 20 cop cars to help clear through the paparazi....

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    36. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best part of the story was:

      "Hernandez, who retired in January after collecting a $900,000 settlement to a discrimination claim she filed against the department."

      $60 million on a system no one uses plus the occasional $1 lawsuit. Welcome to the California budget crisis.

    37. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And reducing the benefits and/or number of employees is hardly going to help get those remaining "to do boo about" parole violations, is it?

      The situation is complicated, but it is the sheer number of employees and the level of benefits that comprise a bulk of the budget problem. Remember, when a politician says "we've cut to the bone" the translation is "we've reduced next year's increases a bit". The illegal aliens don't help, but, well, I'm the moral equivalent to three Hitlers plus two Stalins times a Charles Manson for even daring to mention it, right?

      They already managed to get a 2/3 vote last year and pass the largest state tax increase in US history, and it accomplished *nothing* because about 90% of the budget is considered holy and sacrosanct and untouchable.

      *shrug* It's too late anyway, because *I* don't care anymore, either. Not really. Neither does anyone else with a functioning intellect. The smart folk are abandoning this ship of fools as soon as they can. The extemists are gerrymandered in and it'll be asshat after asshat from here on in. Look who the Democrats are running for governor now: Jerry Brown. That 9000 year old blithering fossil's actions during his last stint as governor in the 70s are at the root of many problems this state is having today! But, yeah, vote that wrinkled senile sack of crap back in! Yay!

      But you just keep hiring more state workers and raising those benefits. I say reduce the 2/3 majority requirement for tax increases and let the low wattage loons in Sacramento have a field day. Anything that can hasten official state bankruptcy is a *good* thing. Let the creditors take over. That's the time to sit back and break out the popcorn.
       

    38. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      1) I agree with your point about cost.

      2) What I dislike about the articles and the bulk of the responses is that they don't appear to contain information that answers either my original question, or your modification of that question.

      It's very easy to say "that's an ineffective waste of money, because it LOOKS like the kind of wasteful, ineffective spending we see all the time."

      It's WAY more useful to say, "This costs $XXX more/less per parolee than our alternatives, and does these things we want better/worse than the more/less expensive alternatives."

    39. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

      To be rational, you would also ask why we are having "life" sentences at all? If there is no possibility of making this individual a functioning part of society for its expected lifetime, then why don't we free those resources? Send their consciousness to /dev/null. Save our efforts for those who may be rehabilitated.

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    40. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by BranMan · · Score: 1

      The victims are not your friends, your family, and hopefully, not you.

      Um.., this is typical of a lot of sentiment. Our system of justice is based on being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and our country on the basis of individual freedoms.

      Therefor, our society is based on freedom - and that includes the freedom to commit crimes. We are not, and never should be, in the business of preventing crimes. You and I are free to commit whatever crimes we want to, whenever we want to. THAT is freedom.

      That being said, we will all individually PAY for our crimes - there are consequences. But we are free to chose to commit the crimes. I think that is something we lose sight of all to often. Especially in the heat of "think of the victims - this could have been prevented if only...".

    41. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      damn I wish I could mod this up.

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    42. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if nobody acts on the alarms, there's still a log file.

      So if a crime is committed somewhere, it will be relatively easy to check whether any of the paroled felons were in the vicinity when it happened.

      So, deterrence factor against committing further crimes will still exist.

      Until we find out they don't do that, either.

    43. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The victims are not your friends, your family, and hopefully, not you.

      The crux of the matter is the assumption that all use is damaging abuse.

      For the sake of argument, assume that you mentioned drinking some beers last weekend. Unless you give a solid reason to believe otherwise, the assumption is that you used alcohol responsibly, you didn't drive drunk, you didn't beat your wife, you didn't get fired for being drunk on the job, etc. You had some beer, stayed home, watched a movie or something, and went to bed.

      Because of that, if I said that it would be wrong to put you in prison merely for possessing and using alcohol, you wouldn't immediately portray your friends and family members as victims. You wouldn't immediately assume that anyone who drinks alcohol or believes that adults should be allowed to drink alcohol is a hardcore alcoholic. You'd see why it's unreasonable to assume that all people who use alcohol are alcoholics, that is, alcohol addicts who victimize themselves and those who care about them. You might see why that assumption is a baseless emotional appeal that should never determine public policy.

      You might wonder how anyone could, with a straight face, make a serious crime out of watching a movie and drinking a beer. You might wonder that while understanding it's perfectly reasonable to make a serious crime out of driving drunk, since such irresponsible use does endanger others. It's reasonable because the moment others are harmed in some way, such as being endangered, then and only then does it become a crime. Then and only then does the state have a legitimate reason to use police power. Anything else is tyranny.

      So why do we recreate the exact circumstances of Prohibition for substances other than alcohol, after having observed that Prohibition stopped no one from drinking, served only to fund organized crime, and was a complete failure? Why do we do that knowing that no one fought with automatic firearms in the streets over alcohol until it was made illegal? Why do we continue to make an assumption that adults cannot be expected to use something responsibily when we already expect them to do that for one of the more harmful drugs known to society?

      You see, it doesn't make sense. The anti-drug commercials you're parroting there can sound very convincing until you really question the whole thing as a system. Only politicians benefit from this because of the expansion of police power that it excuses.

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    44. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      The GPS devices don't request their position from a satellite. They triangulate their position from the time differences between signals from a bunch of satellites so a GPS tracking device has to either log the current position every one and then (offline tracking) or it is actually a GPS/GSM (or whatever mobile communication system is used) online tracking device which periodically sends its position data to some remote box.

      Sorry for nitpicking, but I am working in the vehicle tracking field for 7 years now.

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    45. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No cop is allowed in the same room with him while naked, so you have one cop looking in through a doorway on one side, and another cop looking in through a doorway from the other side. The kid managed to smuggle a pistol into his jail cell, because the cops couldn't watch the kid.

      ummm, come again?

      As long as there are people, we can be assured that stupidity will survive.

      You got that much right.

    46. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      ...that's what I just stated. sorry, the {sarcasm} tags were treated as HTML :P

      the GPS system is one of the simplest triangulation systems to work with, but there's no "default logging".

      you can build a network of a million sensors that constantly produce data, but that doesn't mean it stores itself.

    47. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      So, you think people should be allowed to drive drunk and fire weapons recklessly within city limits? And if someone is screaming in the streets because they are about to be raped, nobody should bother calling the police because the crime hasn't been committed yet?

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    48. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I see. But then, since they are already tracking the convicts - I mean, they aren't using those GPS receivers just for navigation - the data has got to be stored somewhere.

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    49. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      We have life sentences because a very small but finite percent of the people sentenced to death aren't actually guilty of the crime for which they have been convicted. They may eventually be exonerated, but it does no good if they are killed before that happens. On the other hand, if convicted murders consent to being put to death, I have no problem with the government assisting in terminating their lives.

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    50. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Hell, there wouldn't even be a long drawn out investigation. *keystrokes*, "Hmm, looks like he is at Sams Club, send a radio car to that location...."

      Wouldn't be like that. It's a GPS system, so it's not going to work very well indoors, inside cars with metallised window darkening, vans, etc. So more likely the last location update that it's going to send out is the location at which the convicted (I hope) felon (probably, if the courts are any thing better than 50% accurate. which is a separate question.) was last visible to the sky. If that's at a subway station within his paroled area (I don't know the cities involved - do they have subways?), then at that point there's nothing parole-violating that's been happening, so you're in the territory to generate a false positive alarm. Is your parolee prevented from working under a car on his own driveway? There's a second class of GPS failures that could lead to false positives.

      Very likely, the designers (or more likely, their marketing departments) falsely misrepresented the likelihood of false positives and false negatives in the system, and now the people running it find that they simply don't have the funding to investigate the number of alarms they do get. There's probably a case for criminal misrepresentation in the advertising, or possibly bribery and corruption ("kick back" is I believe the normal term?) in the procurement policy. But they're white-collar crimes performed by rich people, so don't warrant investigation.

      (Of course I haven't even started to consider the ways such a system could be foiled by deliberate action ; dexterous removal and attachment to the dog ; going under the car, then wrapping the GPS receiver in a Faraday cage so it can't pick up a signal and disappearing. When you know that the follow-up rate on positive alarms is low, you don't need to worry about getting caught, and you don't need to worry much about getting logged.)

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    51. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd imagine that it uses the cellular network for reporting into the authorities, so if the designers are smart it would use a-GPS. That would overcome a lot of the limitations that you discussed. It wouldn't be perfect but then nothing is.

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    52. Re:Won't somebody think of the children! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd imagine that it uses the cellular network for reporting into the authorities, so if the designers are smart it would use a-GPS [wikipedia.org].

      I've heard of such things, but I wonder why (apart from "brand recognition" for the sheeple) they bother to call it GP-Satellite, when it also requires cellular networking, data connections, "assistance servers" and probably Jan Pierce's grey mare too.

      There's also the not-trivial detail that I've spent most of the last 2 weeks over 3 miles from the nearest mobile phone connection. GPS works, perfectly, in the area, but no mobile signal. But then that just means that "A-GPS" is increasingly badly named. Oh, I did use the phrase "criminal misrepresentation" in describing the marketing already, didn't I? It's one of those abuses of language that Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee would have delighted in.

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  2. Just dial it in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't need to track an explosive collar or anklet. Just remotely detonate.

    1. Re:Just dial it in... by Issarlk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Weeeee. Let's play surprise suicide bomber!

    2. Re:Just dial it in... by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      An explosive collar can easily be designed to just kill the wearer.

    3. Re:Just dial it in... by sleeping143 · · Score: 1

      You say that like you're well experienced in the matter.

    4. Re:Just dial it in... by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Humans are squishy. You can blow off your hand with a fire cracker. A ring of firecrackers with a metal exterior around your neck would probably blow off your head and do no damage to anyone else.

    5. Re:Just dial it in... by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      I considered something like this after my car stereo was stolen the second time.

      I thought it might be fun to have the real stereo disguised, and a modified (explosive) pullout stereo in plain view. The theory was that a transmitter could exist in the car, and a receiver/battery/detonator would be installed in the modified pullout stereo. When the stereo exceeded the transmitter range, detonation.

      Wasn't there an explosive collar in an Governator movie? They breach the perimeter and it starts flashing and beeping to inform them that their head is about to be removed.

      For the bracelet/anklet, why not a lethal injection instead of an explosion? Violate house arrest, and die walking to the liquor store. The only problem I see with that idea is if an actual emergency occurred (house on fire?) they would be dead either way.

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    6. Re:Just dial it in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there an explosive collar in an Governator movie? They breach the perimeter and it starts flashing and beeping to inform them that their head is about to be removed.

      Indeed. The Running Man.

      And I must admit I had the same thought as the AC above.

    7. Re:Just dial it in... by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Alas, it is illegal to set traps for thieves that are deliberately harmful. You could set it up to short the battery through the stereo as it is pulled out to render it permanently non-functional, but explosives would probably out of bounds unless you used just enough to pop an IC off. Even razorblades in the wiring harness is a no-no.

      On the other hand, if you can show that you've always been crappy with wiring, "accidentally" mis-wiring so that the thief also gets directly connected to the battery, that might be okay.

      Just be ready to explain why your floor mats are grounded:)

    8. Re:Just dial it in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting synchronicity. See Wedlock (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103239/) referenced in an earlier post.

  3. moron tracking california & ignoring results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it looks a little shaky. just another day in pairadice?

  4. This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Necessary Evils are only used to victimize the innocent, never to protect them.

  5. I disagree by Midnight's+Shadow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to disagree with the summery because I don't see it as

    both a lesson in the pitfalls of technology management and a massive exercise in largely useless spending.

    It served the purpose of making the voters think something was being done which is all that is important in US politics.

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    1. Re:I disagree by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It served the purpose of making the voters think something was being done which is all that is important in electoral politics.

      FTFY

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    2. Re:I disagree by MadKeithV · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have to disagree with the summery because I don't see it as

      I disagree with the summery too. It's wintry, or maybe autumny. Sometimes springy.

    3. Re:I disagree by broggyr · · Score: 1

      Oh, the Irony!

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  6. GPS Is New! by ProdigyPuNk · · Score: 1

    “We have stated several times that GPS is an evolving science, where technology and best practices continue to be fluid,” Hinkle said by e-mail. “This is a new policy, and as CDCR leads the nation in

    Now their ineptitude makes sense... I didn't realize that GPS was still an evolving standard with constantly changing technology. Maybe these guys need to hire some devs from Twitter/FaceBook/etc ?

    1. Re:GPS Is New! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      To be honest I didn't even realize that GPS was a science...

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    2. Re:GPS Is New! by krzy123 · · Score: 1

      C'mon man, what do you think the S stood for. Science!

  7. -1 Flamebait on the summary by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not useless spending, they just aren't utilizing it properly. The idea is a good one, but just like regulations, it's only useless if it isn't properly enforced.

    1. Re:-1 Flamebait on the summary by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      It's not useless spending, they just aren't utilizing it properly.

      It is useless spending because almost everywhere you go, parole officers (like probation officers, public defenders, prison guards, and social workers) are already vastly overworked.
      Adding GPS tracking into the mix just created an information flood without any additional resources to deal with the infractions.

      The idea is a good one, but just like regulations, it's only useless if it isn't properly enforced.

      The State isn't willing to hire enough warm bodies to do anything more than a best-effort enforcement.
      Of course, California's budget is fscked, so I don't see how they could get the money for new staff.

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    2. Re:-1 Flamebait on the summary by Pojut · · Score: 1

      It is useless spending because almost everywhere you go, parole officers (like probation officers, public defenders, prison guards, and social workers) are already vastly overworked.
      Adding GPS tracking into the mix just created an information flood without any additional resources to deal with the infractions.

      That is a result of the environment, and not indicative of a bad idea.

      The State isn't willing to hire enough warm bodies to do anything more than a best-effort enforcement.
      Of course, California's budget is fscked, so I don't see how they could get the money for new staff.

      Agreed :(

    3. Re:-1 Flamebait on the summary by Thunderbuck_YT · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree. The raw data is only as useful as its interpretation. If the resources aren't out there to conduct that interpretation properly, then it invalidates the whole approach.

      This is not to far away from the rape kits that have been stockpiled all over the US because the money isn't there to send them off to the crime lab.

      GPS tracking is an outstanding concept. It allows convicts to live out in the world, with the understanding that if they cross certain geographic boundaries, they run the risk of intervention from the law. This can aid rehabilitation, if those boundaries are enforced, and it saves a pantload of money on housing them in jail.

      One use I'd like to see: many repeat drunk drivers find ways to get access to vehicles, even with lifetime license bans. Set an alert on such a convict so that if they're travelling over, say, 30 mph, it sends an alert and if there's a patrol nearby, get them to pull the vehicle over and see if the convict is the one behind the wheel. Even if he isn't, it sends the message that he is always running the risk of being caught...

  8. Deja vu all over again by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...a massive exercise in largely useless spending...

    Damn, there was some other government project that fit this description, which I can't seem to remember just now...

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    1. Re:Deja vu all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...a massive exercise in largely useless spending...

      Damn, there was some other government project that fit this description, which I can't seem to remember just now...

      The DMV computer upgrade?
      The Emissions Test computer systems installation and upgrade?

      I am not sure what you are talking about...

  9. Re:moron tracking california & ignoring result by Shakrai · · Score: 1

    It's criminal tracking, not moron tracking. If they were tracking morons they'd just set up shop in Sacramento and/or Washington ;)

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  10. A modest proposal by mbone · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly, RIAA should track these parolees - and fine them $ 150,000 for every time they remove a bracelet or run out of battery power.

    That would save the State of California $ 60 million per year it doesn't currently have.

    1. Re:A modest proposal by noidentity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly, RIAA should track these parolees - and fine them $ 150,000 for every time they remove a bracelet or run out of battery power.

      The RIAA needs an incentive, so give the bracelets wireless internet and have them download music whenever the perolee goes somewhere restricted. He won't know what hit him.

  11. Re:moron tracking california & ignoring result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I vote for Walmart. California is where Julia Roberts molests my asshole with a corn fork. I love this state!

  12. Maybe they can team up with these blokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saudi Killer Chip

    Not to be dramatic, but never has it appeared that the future could so easily go either way. Maybe people have always felt this, that they were living in such a time, but they didn't have "the curve" of accelerating technology to deal with.

  13. Need moar expensive, custom software! by newdsfornerds · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Officials say the backlog grew because they lacked software to run an ongoing report of all unresolved cases." Prolly all they need is a sql script. But whatever.

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    1. Re:Need moar expensive, custom software! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA HA HA!

      select * from offenses where CaseResolution is null

      That'll be $250k plz. *sigh* It could be that simple.

  14. Panopticon Failure by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

    The problem with electronic tracking is the same as alarm systems - a lot of criminals bank on the fact that a lot of alerts just go ignored or unreported and just go about their illegal business.

  15. Badly managed, yes. But... by Jawnn · · Score: 1
    This is a classic case of how the law lags behind technology. FTA...

    Unfortunately, the technology, as California implemented it, didn’t work. The case of convicted sex offender Leonard Scroggins shows the system’s problem. Scroggins cut the tracking device off his ankle and allegedly tried to rob or kidnap several women and girls over a two-day period. The device sounded an alarm and parole officers pushed through the paperwork for an arrest warrant, but the process took nearly 24 hours. Even then, police would only learn of the warrant if they picked up Scroggins for some other reason and then checked the appropriate database.

    It seems clear to me that an alert from such a device constitutes probably cause for the issuance of a warrant for the arrest of the offender. The tecnology exists to have that happen in a span of minutes, requiring only a judge's (electronic) signature before being communicated to law enforcement who, presumably, would rate this type of case with a fairly high priority. Indeed, the case could be made for automatically generating the warrant automatically, with judicial approval already in place for cases such as this where there was a material violation of the terms of parole/probation.

    1. Re:Badly managed, yes. But... by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These are parolees, you don't need probable cause. All you have to do is show up whenever there's an alert. If you can't show up whenever there's an alert you need to reassess your priorities.

    2. Re:Badly managed, yes. But... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Uh, they are on PAROLE. It doesn't require a judge to violate someone's parole and issue an arrest warrant. Any parole officer can do that.

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    3. Re:Badly managed, yes. But... by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. IANAL and I just took what I read from TFA about needing to issue a warrant. So in this case, it's just (again) bad management of the program.

    4. Re:Badly managed, yes. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      parole officers pushed through the paperwork for an arrest warrant, but the process took nearly 24 hours. Even then, police would only learn of the warrant if they picked up Scroggins for some other reason

      Horseshit story.

      Right, so when the cops get a warrant to search your house, they wait for an officer to "pick your house up for some other reason".

      So it took nearly 24 hours to get the paperwork, eh? The story says a 2-day spree, what were they doing for the next 24 hours?

      All the officer had to do was pay the guy a visit and say "well, I see you tampered with/removed your tracking bracelet, so I'm placing you under arrest & taking you to jail for violating the terms of your release."

  16. Problem lies between monitor and chair by Saishuuheiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read the article and come to a different conclusion. I believe the problem isn't in the technology, because from what I read it mostly worked. It mentioned some false alarms, but nobody hurts because of a false alarm. The problem here lies in the ineptitude of the people using the system.

    Let's say we developed a system that detected earthquakes 1 minute before they went off, but 90% of the time it would be a false alarm. Then people proceed to ignore the alarm because it's usually wrong. Now when a real earthquake occurs, those who ignore the alarm blame it on bad technology.

    I say no, this is the fault of the reaction, not the technology itself.

    1. Re:Problem lies between monitor and chair by Zak3056 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's say we developed a system that detected earthquakes 1 minute before they went off, but 90% of the time it would be a false alarm. Then people proceed to ignore the alarm because it's usually wrong. Now when a real earthquake occurs, those who ignore the alarm blame it on bad technology.

      I say no, this is the fault of the reaction, not the technology itself.

      A broken clock is right twice a day, so there is no need to repair it?

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  17. High Risk Parolees? by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    High-risk parolees? A parolee is someone who has given their word (parole) that they will behave themselves and check in regularly in exchange for the privilege of spending some time outside of the prison walls. If you have to slap a GPS tracking unit on them then you don't trust their word. If so, then why are you giving them parole in the first place?

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    1. Re:High Risk Parolees? by techwrench · · Score: 1

      High-risk parolees? A parolee is someone who has given their word (parole) that they will behave themselves and check in regularly in exchange for the privilege of spending some time outside of the prison walls. If you have to slap a GPS tracking unit on them then you don't trust their word. If so, then why are you giving them parole in the first place?

      Thank you for asking that intelligent question. It seems that most people forget why a High-Risk prisoner is prison in the first place.

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    2. Re:High Risk Parolees? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trust, but verify

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    3. Re:High Risk Parolees? by orangefoodie · · Score: 1

      Because parole is incredibly convenient for the judicial system, saving resources they don't have. You offer the guy a deal for parole when he first gets in the system. Seems like an easy logical choice right? Then when he violates it (an incredibly common affair), you get to shove him in jail for the parole violation with no trial, no plea, no nothing. IANAL, but this is what a practicing lawyer in CA has told me. It's more than slightly ridiculous, but that's what happens when you're hamstrung by a retarded 3 strikes law among other things.

    4. Re:High Risk Parolees? by molo · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:High Risk Parolees? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      If so, then why are you giving them parole in the first place?

      Because CA is under a court order to release 40-50K prisoners, although the Supreme Court might modify it when they get around to hearing it.

      Given that CA already doesn't jail non-violent drug offenders, I find it hard to believe that they can release 1/4 of the prisoners without releasing some seriously violent criminals. Parole, even with fancy GPS monitoring, costs a small fraction of incarceration and might actually work if implemented right.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/us/10prison.html
      http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_15293678?nclick_check=1

    6. Re:High Risk Parolees? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, what are rapists/pedophiles/molesters/gang members doing on the streets after being arrested for a crime?

      These are the kinds of people you lock up and throw away the key, nevermind parole. Parole is for relatively minor offenses, near the end of their term.

      Meanwhile, my uncle just got out of prison: he was in San Quintin for 8 years. Why? He violated a restraining order (he had not even been made aware of) against him by his ex-wife. She got the order, then invited him over to see his daughter (with a *wink wink*). He arrived to find several police offers at the door, who promptly took him to jail.

      California is all sorts of fucked: in the first place for putting people like my uncle in prison at all, but likewise for this crazy bullshit of letting their most dangerous types out. You don't let these people out. It's like a septic tank: if it's full, you flush it properly; you don't drain it into the municipal water.

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    7. Re:High Risk Parolees? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You offer the guy a deal for parole when he first gets in the system. Seems like an easy logical choice right? Then when he violates it (an incredibly common affair), you get to shove him in jail for the parole violation with no trial, no plea, no nothing. IANAL, but this is what a practicing lawyer in CA has told me. It's more than slightly ridiculous, but that's what happens when you're hamstrung by a retarded 3 strikes law among other things.

      (1) The guy doesn't have to take parole if he doesn't want to. Parole is voluntary.

      (2) You would think that he could abide the terms of parole given that the State could lawfully be holding him in jail. What is the thought process: "They are letting me out of my passed sentence on the condition that I don't drink and drive but I think I'll pound a few beers and drive home anyway"?

      (3) 3 strikes is retarded in implementation but not in concept. People thrice convicted of bona-fide violent crimes (assault, robbery, rape) should get 25-life. People thrice convicted of shoplifting should get a weekend in jail and a vocational class. The idea that we cannot distinguish between those obviously different crimes is absurd.

      Hence people like me are in the ridiculous position of having to defend the concept of 3S while concurrently explaining that shoplifting and other minor crimes were never part of our plan. People that repeatedly violate the fundamental human rights of others (to wit, the rights not to be robbed, raped or beaten) need to be imprisoned.

    8. Re:High Risk Parolees? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      I call BS on your story. A judge wouldn't order somebody jailed for 8 years for violating a restraining order that they had never been notified of. I'm guessing, as usual with these stories on Slashdot, there's more to what actually landed the guy in jail than you are saying. Otherwise it would have required any two-bit lawyer and a finding of fact that he had never been notified of the restraining order.

      My guess - he pled guilty to violating a restraining order to get charges dismissed for the other stuff he actually did that he was never convicted of (like a bad case of domestic violence or something comparable). That seems to be the common theme here on Slashdot when people say "so-and-so was put in jail for X years for Y minor offense! Look how unfair the justice system is!"

      Obviously, there are miscarriages of justice out there, but they usually occur where there's at least an accusation of a far more significant crime than violating a restraining order.

    9. Re:High Risk Parolees? by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, what are rapists/pedophiles/molesters/gang members doing on the streets after being arrested for a crime?

      Maybe it's because half of the four things you cite aren't crimes and thus shouldn't bear on the question of whether someone who has been arrested for a crime, any crime, should be denied bail or parole.

      Rapists and molesters have harmed someone and broken a law (presumably) and should go to jail for a long time.

      Pedophiles are people that think inappropriate dirty thoughts about little kids. Until they actually become molesters, they haven't hurt anybody. Their status as creeps shouldn't bear on the grant of bail or parole.

      And gang members? That's not a crime and shouldn't be considered, either. To quote a city councilman in Houston when the city was debating an anti-gang ordinance: "Show me a definition of 'gang' that doesn't apply to the Boy Scouts and I'll consider voting aye."

    10. Re:High Risk Parolees? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there were other charges which he plea bargained away: assault. If I recall the picnic properly, she attacked him with a frying pan, backed him against a fence, and he hit her. She called the cops. This led to her deciding to not press charges until later, and then getting the restraining order...

      As I understand things, this is fairly typical. I don't care if you're gotten for aggravated assault, personally: 8 years for a first-time offense is insane, short of life-impacting grievous harm to another individual.

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  18. 1. GPS 2. ??? 3. Profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Get convicted
    2. Obtain GPS monitoring device instead of prison sentence
    3. Start your own "GPS monitored criminals" social community website
    4. Organize flash-mob event for all criminals simultaneously
    5. Profit - or at least hilarity

  19. dear unions: by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    at one time, when gilded age corporatist assholes employed pinkerton's thugs to kneecap guys just trying to earn enough to feed his children, unions were heroic and noble

    in today's day and age, a union is nothing more than a lottery ticket for lazy assholes to earn way way more than middle class salaries, for doing far less, and be accountable and responsible for nothing

    additionally, no one can afford to manufacture anything here anymore because of union mandated salary levels, so everything is now done in chinese sweatshops. a committed anti-corporatist would respond it is the corporatists who drive jobs out of the country, not the unions. to which i would respond that that is easy to say, until you actually have to buy the goods with the sticker shock attached to them just so a union member can have lavish benefits and upper middle class salaries well beyond yours

    the unions help drive jobs out of the country by demanding far too much for workers. the irony being, in china, people are now unionizing, get this, against the communist government's wishes (that extra twist of historical irony practically makes my head explode)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/business/global/11strike.html

    is it possible in this world to have the balance of power between the unions and the corportatists simply give workers a decent wage and keep jobs domestic and keep goods and services affordable?

    and can GOVERNMENT unions simply be mandated out of existence, please?

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    1. Re:dear unions: by JustOK · · Score: 1

      unions are an epiphenomenon of the underlying cause.

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    2. Re:dear unions: by infinite9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      additionally, no one can afford to manufacture anything here anymore because of union mandated salary levels, so everything is now done in chinese sweatshops. a committed anti-corporatist would respond it is the corporatists who drive jobs out of the country, not the unions. to which i would respond that that is easy to say, until you actually have to buy the goods with the sticker shock attached to them just so a union member can have lavish benefits and upper middle class salaries well beyond yours

      You're repeating the standard conservative (I hesitate to say republican these days) ideology. And it's not without merit. But I think everyone has it backwards. I don't think union workers are over-paid. I think the rest of us are under-paid. When a government official says that inflation is low and that it's a good thing, they mean wage inflation. Wages have been stagnant here for more than a decade. Maybe, just maybe, the unions have it right. The difference is that they have had the power to prevent the wage stagnation for their members that the rest of us have been powerless to stop. And for that I blame the corporatists. So when you look at the cost of something made in america and feel sticker shock, maybe it's because you're not making enough, and the value of the dollar has been eroded.

      You feel like you're making more than your parents and grand-parents did, because the absolute number is higher. But in terms of purchasing power, you're making much less. Those union workers we like to complain about are actually living the way our grandparents did. This is the real reason for your sticker shock. Do they deserve to live like us? Or do we deserve to live like them?

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    3. Re:dear unions: by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      at one time, when gilded age corporatist assholes employed pinkerton's thugs to kneecap guys just trying to earn enough to feed his children, unions were heroic and noble

      Now the corporatist assholes jack up your health insurance co-pays, (or your premium rates, or just plain get rid your your healthcare benefits) raid the company pension plan (if it still exists) for a new condo in Maui, or manipulate the stock price (which is a nice chunk of your 401k) to make a few bucks on the side, or run the company into the ground and get their golden parachute when they 'resign' while the other execs vote themselves raises and keep their bonuses under the guise of "retaining quality employees" (the same employees that have been running themselves into the ground).

      It's not the unions that suck, its greedy human beings that suck. Just because the business card says Committee man or Union Delegate doesn't make their actions any different than someone whose card says MBA or CFO. Greedy entitled pricks are greedy entitled pricks. At least when they were hiring pinkertons the pinkerton agent wasn't telling you that what he was doing was "good for the company" or was what was "right for our shareholders" while you took a beating.

      There are plenty of fatcat pricks in unions (just like how there are plenty of useless factcat pricks where you work. They're not a union specific breed), but that doesn't mean that a *funded* pension, decent health care, and a good wage are evil awful naughty things that only liberals believe in.

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    4. Re:dear unions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it possible in this world to have the balance of power between the unions and the corportatists simply give workers a decent wage and keep jobs domestic and keep goods and services affordable?

      Absolutely. The perfect balance of unionists and corporatists is to have none of either. Both of your options are absolutely horrible, and should be replaced with well-regulated capitalism.

    5. Re:dear unions: by Insightfill · · Score: 4, Informative

      the unions help drive jobs out of the country by demanding far too much for workers.

      A larger source of the problem was starting in the 80s (Reagan) and again in the 90s (Clinton) import tariffs were dropped to almost nothing in the US with the expectation that we'd make it all back in IP jobs and money: entertainment, software and biotech.

      We learned that many countries were quite happy to sell to the US with the reduced tariffs in place, but didn't drop their own, and didn't necessarily give diddly-squat about our IP and its rules.

      Tariffs are quite high on sugar and textiles, but for electronics and heavy industry, it's almost non-existent.

    6. Re:dear unions: by pigwiggle · · Score: 1

      "You feel like you're making more than your parents and grand-parents did, because the absolute number is higher. But in terms of purchasing power, you're making much less."

      Everything I could find on the subject says that's not so. Purchasing power has increased dramatically from the time my grandparents or parents were my age. Did you just make that up to support your argument?

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    7. Re:dear unions: by StopKoolaidPoliticsT · · Score: 1

      You feel like you're doing less well than your parents, because you're living off credit and losing anywhere from 8-25% of your purchasing power through interest because you had to have that big ticket item now, while your parents saved up for it. Likewise, your parents were satisfied with a 1400 sq ft house on a quarter acre in a housing tract, while today, you need at least a 2000 sq ft house with an acre or more just to be considered middle class.

      So yeah, purchasing power has increased when you focus on a single product, largely because of the cost of manufacturing the product has decresed (economies of scale, new materials and processes, shipping manufacturing overseas, etc). Just look at the costs of a a computer from 1960 to 1980 to 2000 to today and then add in the massive increase in performance on top of that. But on whole, purchasing power feels like it has gone down because of the way we've chosen to spend our money and our insatiable appetite to always have more than the previous generation did. In short, purchasing power decreases as financial illiteracy/personal irresponsibility/instant gratification increases... and that's true whether comparisons are made within a generation or across generations.

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    8. Re:dear unions: by Jawnn · · Score: 2, Informative
      Jeezuz, where to start...

      in today's day and age, a union is nothing more than a lottery ticket for lazy assholes to earn way way more than middle class salaries, for doing far less, and be accountable and responsible for nothing

      Nice rant. Got anything like, you know, facts to back this up? Hey! Here's some. There has been a shift away from living wage manufacturing jobs towards lower paying service jobs for decades. The main reason? Off-shoring of those manufacturing jobs. Why go off-shore when you have the most productive workers in the world (in output per dollar spent)? Easy - corporate welfare. Ever since the Reagan years, there have been very generous tax breaks for companies who ship their manufacturing, even their raw materials, overseas. In the eighties, I watched lumber mill after paper mill close down in the Pacific Northwest, sometimes taking whole towns with them. It wasn't unions that did this. It was the fact that it was so much more profitable to sell and ship raw logs to Japan than to process them here. No, not because of wages, but because the taxes charged on that international transaction (taking wages and tax revenues with it) were a fraction of what they would have been if the timber were processed here. Unions had nothing to do with this.
      NAFTA, no unions, are the reason that the American economy is failing. Yes, there are indeed "union jobs" that are held by "lazy assholes". Wish I had one. But I don't. You probably don't either. In fact most of us don't, which is why trying to typify them in that matter is exactly what your boss wants you to think, you dimwit.

    9. Re:dear unions: by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      You feel like you're making more than your parents and grand-parents did, because the absolute number is higher. But in terms of purchasing power, you're making much less. Those union workers we like to complain about are actually living the way our grandparents did.

      That is complete and utter BS. I am not a good comparison for my parents, but I have a good friend who is. I am one of six children, my friend has eight children. My mother was a nurse, my father was a jack of all trades. My friend is a jack of all trades, his wife is a nurse. My parents had only one car until after my oldest two siblings left for college, my friend and his wife have never had less than two cars. I could go on, but by any metric, my friend with 8 children has greater purchasing power than my parents did.
      That story was anecdote, but there are studies that show the same thing. The poor in the US today have more stuff than the middle class did two generations ago.

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    10. Re:dear unions: by skarphace · · Score: 1

      Citation, please. Everything I have been reading says purchasing power has decreased due to stagnent wages and inflation. The percentage of money spent on food these days has risen from our grandparents. Food is usually the greatest marker for purchasing power as the value of food doesn't usually change that much. If anything, it goes down thanks to more efficient production.

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    11. Re:dear unions: by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      Except that "wage inflation," whatever you meant by that, has no bearing on the calculation of inflation.

      The US calculates inflation by constructing a basket of goods that represents what a typical consumer purchases - e.g., x loaves of bread, y new cars. They then find out how much the basket costs this month rather than last month - e.g., prices for bread went up, so now the basket costs x+1 instead of x.

      If you buy the same things you always did, but this month they cost you more, that's inflation. Wages can affect that, but low inflation means we're all richer rather than poorer.

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    12. Re:dear unions: by StopKoolaidPoliticsT · · Score: 1

      Thomas Sowell: Economic Facts and Fallacies, pages 125-132, which also has 27 footnotes in that span supporting his assertion that real wages and purchasing power have increased.

      As for the amount of money being spent on food, processed, pre-cooked and foods cost significantly more than raw ingredients then cooking it yourself. The fast food craze has only been around since the mid-50s and it has grown in size pretty much every year since. Ditto for the pre-packaged stuff. So, even if adjusted for inflation, the price of an apple remains constant, and the price of making an entire apple pie from scratch remains constant, the average American isn't making an apple pie anymore, they're buying a pre-baked one at a higher price, at as much as twice the price that it would cost if it were still made the traditional way, so obviously the "average cost" of a pie has increased... but the cost of making one from scratch is still virtually the same.

      Again, as I said, it's all about people being impatient and willing to spend money on frivilous things, rather than an actual decrease in their spending power. They don't have less spending power, they just choose to spend it on convenience rather than making it go as far as it could.

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  20. Some problems are pretty isolated to just America. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I see Americans do this a lot. They take a problem that's common throughout the American political system, and try to play down its negativity by suggesting it's a problem that's common elsewhere.

    In reality, that's just not the case. In South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia and throughout Europe, the government actually works for the people. Then again, they don't have two shitty parties, but numerous smaller parties who have to work together, and who will quickly be replaced if they deliver only bullshit promises, rather than action, to the electorate.

    Most other democracies and republics aren't like America. They aren't two party systems, where both parties are corporate-controlled. Thus many of the problems with American politics are quite isolated just to American politics. To claim they exist elsewhere is just not true, and indicative of a complete ignorance of foreign governments.

  21. Gps sucks in many places. by GarryFre · · Score: 1

    The number of false positives is absurd. Spending a lot of money to go out to see if the criminal is really flown the coop or if a stupid cloud has gotten between the GPS and the satellite or even worse the cell tower. Especially if it's anything like the iPhone. I wrote an app to interface the GPS technology on the iPhone. The GPS there used cellphone tower triangulation. This app was hobbled by the piss poor GPS API and unreliability. The thing was constantly telling my program that the iphone was moving between 10 and 24 mph while it was sitting on a desk in Colorado Springs! Another iPhone's stock gps program from Apple could not pinpoint a location any closer than 3 miles in Chico CA. It reminds me of the state of optical character recognition where the accuracy is so bad, its better to type the document in than try to correct the computer's absurd guesses.

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    1. Re:Gps sucks in many places. by fuzzylollipop · · Score: 1

      this is FUD, my 3GS pin points me in the building I am IN within a few dozen meters, and outside it is dead on. Also state of the art OCR is pretty close to 100% for the right use cases, my bank scans my checks at an ATM machine and reads hand written deposit amounts with 100% accuracy every time I have deposited a check that way. If you last experiences with these technologies were in the early nineties you might have something, but now in 2010 you just sound like a Luddite.

    2. Re:Gps sucks in many places. by CompMD · · Score: 1

      Given that my employer has made billions of dollars on extremely successful and reliable GPS devices, I don't think the problem is GPS. I think your problem is the implementation of the GPS receiver (iPhones are known to have crap GPS receivers) and poor software. There's a reason why GPS and WAAS are able to land airplanes, its because they are extremely accurate systems. As with all hardware and software, there's good stuff and bad stuff. The question is, which is in the ankle bracelets?

  22. Blame the taxpayer by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This project probably got through on some scaremongering bill but then when the non-vote winning budget was needed, the politicians knew that the voter does not want to spend any money ever, and voted against it.

    Police costs a LOT of money. Crime costs even more but no politician has to raise taxes to fund crime.

    Take the "three-strikes" law. Interesting idea, but did anyone in favor of it ALSO vote to increase the number of jails by about a 1000%? Because ALL those rotating door criminals that were out in a couple of months are now in for life. Even if you lock them four to a cell and reduce their life expectancy that way, you still are talking about housing an awful lot of people for a bloody long time. And a life-sentence looses its meaning if they are paroled after 6 months because the need the space.

    And if you are against the "three-strikes" system? Then what is your solution and how are you going to pay for it? Prevention? Lots of cops and social workers. Re-education? lots of parole officers. Treating those with mental problems before they come to harm? Very expensive mental hospitals (which were cut and now jails fullfill their role).

    This project most likely was started as a way to aid parole officers in their job. Then it became a way to cut costs instead and now you got fewer parole officers with more duties and ever more prisoners to track.

    But hey, you got a tax cut... oh wait no. that 300 dollars has seen been added to your bills multiple times.

    Oh well. That is what you get for giving everyone the vote. You turn the running of the country into Idols.

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    1. Re:Blame the taxpayer by couchslug · · Score: 0, Troll

      Prisons are too expensive because they fail to treat the prisoner as an enemy to be broken and are mere warehouses.

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  23. This by JustOK · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This whole planet is a prison.

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  24. Another side to this... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    If violations are so common with GPS-tagged parolees and convicts, maybe they should reconsider releasing them, eh? Certainly if it's too expensive to *actually* track them down and deal with the violations.

    I would have thought that one reason for the program was to save money by releasing low-risk, compliant convicts. If they're NOT low-risk or compliant, then back to prison they can go.

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  25. Did someone forget about maintence? by uncledrax · · Score: 1

    If you're gonna create a system, you need make plan for maintenance of said system (and fund it).. in this case it's enough eyeballs to watch alerts.. but also a policy of how to deal with false alerts (and rectify the system to try and minimize false positives.. which probably will vary by individual parolee).

    This is why KISS works.. tbh.. why don't we just outsource monitoring these alerts to some nation that might take this job seriously.. (like.. India?)

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  26. You see this shit in IT all the time. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You see this kind of shit in IT all the time: $boss gives you $new_shiny but does not give you the human resources to manage said $new_shiny, resulting in $new_shiny not being effectively used. Result: $boss jumps on your ass for not utilizing $new_shiny, even though you didn't ask for it (or asked for it with the necessary addition of more humans).

    Only difference in this case is that it's cops not IT people.

    I suspect that information inundation has something to do with it, too: how many parolees are there who are violating their parole? If it's more than a scant few, chances are they don't have the force numbers to pay attention to the alerts, never mind actually act on them.

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  27. They screwed themselves by publicizing this by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The bracelets are there as a deterrent. As long as the parolee's believe every little alarm will be followed up with serious consequences, then the system works fine. Once they figure out that they can set the alarms off with no consequences (e.g. by reading articles like this one) then the system becomes an exercise in futility. Then you have to actually follow up on every notification, despite the fact that 99% of them are false positives.

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    1. Re:They screwed themselves by publicizing this by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I have talked to people who actually manage these programs on the commercial side as part of an informational exchange for similar sorts of technology situations (we track fleet vehicles via GPS and cellular, they track people). There are a lot of different reasons to have these programs, including:

      Making sure that the subject does not go to certain places or stays in certain places (of course)

      but also:

      Having a historical record of the whereabouts of the subject
      Determining if the subject enters the same area as another subject

      A false positive on an actual real-time event could cause a car to be erroneously sent to the location of a subject, but might just as easily just result in a phone call to the subject to verify their location and indicate that they have been seen in the wrong place.

      Let's face it, you will *never* have enough manpower to track every call. There are far more law-abiding people than criminals, but there are more criminals than cops by far as well. Parole is a fact of life, you are going to have parolees unless you start executing people like the used to when they shoplift or commit various other more petty crimes.

      However, even if the people are not caught, you can use the GPS data in court to convict them when they are caught, and you can even determine if an offender was in the area of a crime even if the zone was not restricted one (ie. someone wandered into the subject close vicinity and the subject killed them or something). They do not just track if the subject leaves their allowed zone or enters a restricted area, they also keep minute-by-minute data on actual location and store it forever.

      I am definitely in a related business, so I have a vested interest in this, but do realize that even if alarms don't allow pickups of all subjects at all times who stray outside the limits, they do allow for subjects to be caught and more importantly, possibly deterred when there is no other method that would have worked before GPS tracking. There has never been a time where there were enough cops to track all criminals, and a GPS tracking system certainly makes it easier for a much smaller force to respond to a larger number of events. But we all knew that, right?

      If anything the issues with the tracking system is a call for departments to learn how to use these systems properly, as opposed to using them to replace officers on the street which has never been their purpose.

  28. well yeah by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it would be great if we all made $150K a year. now enunciate the real world plan in which that is possible

    thought so

    all you have is wish fulfillment fantasy, not valid social commentary

    i actually consider myself quite liberal and have voted Democratic all my life. but when it comes to unions, i see only a bloated historical anachronism that does more harm than good

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    1. Re:well yeah by tisepti · · Score: 1

      Well that depends - do you want to actually be able to *do* anything with 150k? I'd say current US government spending habits are on track quite nicely to 150k paychecks. Too bad rent will start at 5k a month at the bottom end ...

    2. Re:well yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Me too. My wife even sat on the county board of the nurse's union back in the 1990s, but when SEIU took over the California Nurses Association, she resigned and never looked back. SEIU thugs all converged on a state CNA meeting in Sacramento one year and elected a new state executive board consisting of all SEIU members, and no CNA members. Rose Ann DeMoro became the new state chair of CNA, a post she has held now for almost 20 years. Ms. DeMoro has never in her life been a nurse or worked in a hospital. She has spent her entire adult life as a union organizer with SEIU. Most of the old CNA members (real nurses who really work in hospitals and provide real patient care) have now formed a new professional association (not a union), but they no longer negotiate labor contracts with hospitals.

      While private sector labor unions have fallen into irrelevance over the past two decades (and taken down General Motors and Chrysler with them), the largest proportion of union workers in the United States are now public sector employees, i.e., government workers. Government workers are paid by the taxpayers, but produce absolutely nothing to benefit the overall economy. Or they are police officers, firemen, or prison guards, who "serve and protect" the public, either putting their lives in danger every day (what they want you to believe) or writing traffic citations, taking afternoon power naps or eating doughnuts (what they really do). They don't make new products to sell to the rest of the world, they don't produce anything of tangible value to raise our standards of living, and mainly just do paperwork to conform to government regulations.

    3. Re:well yeah by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      it would be great if we all made $150K a year. now enunciate the real world plan in which that is possible

      thought so

      all you have is wish fulfillment fantasy, not valid social commentary

      i actually consider myself quite liberal and have voted Democratic all my life. but when it comes to unions, i see only a bloated historical anachronism that does more harm than good

      I agree that there are serious problems with unions these days. But we have a bigger problem. $150k a year sounds like a lot to you only because no one you know is making that much. What if everyone were making $150k a year? It wouldn't sound like that much to you. And people making $300k a year would be making a huge amount of money.

      But forget about actual numbers. They're meaningless. What you should really be looking at is purchasing power. How many hours do you have to work to pay for dinner? Or for a car? Union workers making $150k a year have the same purchasing power your grandparents had in their normal jobs. But you've been shafted, shafted by large corporations who have siphoned off what used to be your purchasing power (standard of living) and redirected it into their pockets. In short, they got richer and you got poorer.

      Labor unions, as dysfunctional as they are, have been fighting the same thing you should be fighting. There's a reason large corporations hate labor unions, even when they're not out of control. And it's because they prevent them from doing what's been done to you.

      Is it really so crazy to think that we should all have that level of purchasing power? It happened in this country once before didn't it? Why couldn't it happen again? Is the world really so different? Oh, that's right, it's because we have to compete globally or some other excuse used to placate the masses while their purchasing power is further eroded.

      Do you know what this country really needs right now? Inflation. Wage inflation specifically.

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    4. Re:well yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You make salient points. Unfortunately, you couch them in the diction and grammar of a twelve-year-old, and so nobody will respect what you have to say.

    5. Re:well yeah by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      A union allows workers to bargain with employers collectively. Corporations act collectively (RIAA, MPAA, other industry associations), why shouldn't workers?

      The reason Chinese workers are cheaper than American workers is because the cost of living is cheaper there. When I was in Thailand in the USAF in 1974 you could take a bus anywhere in the country for a nickle, buy a tailored silk shirt for $10, feed four people in a restaraunt for a dollar. I paid thirty dollars a month to rent my bungalow (when I got back, for comparison, I paid $160 a month for a shotgun house in the slums and a McDonalds "meal" cost two bucks for one person). Now tell me how you can possibly compete with that?

      And here's a little tip: most union workers don't earn $150k/yr. I have a friend who's worked for the postal service for thirty years fixing those big mail boxes, he makes $75k. Were it not for his union he'd probably be making little more than minimum wage.

      Unless you're a corporatist or business owner, you're dead wrong about unions. Any working person who is anti-union is stupid, ignorant, or crazy.

    6. Re:well yeah by JedaFlain · · Score: 1

      it would be great if we all made $150K a year. now enunciate the real world plan in which that is possible

      Distribute 90% of the CxO's salaries across the work force?

    7. Re:well yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I mostly agree with you, but you seem to forget the after effects of WWII.

      It happened in this country once before didn't it? Why couldn't it happen again? Is the world really so different?

      For a time, America was the only industrialized nation that hadn't been severely attacked in WWII. This made for great prosperity that is unlike to ever happen again.

    8. Re:well yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And here's a little tip: most union workers don't earn $150k/yr. I have a friend who's worked for the postal service for thirty years fixing those big mail boxes, he makes $75k. Were it not for his union he'd probably be making little more than minimum wage.

      Unless you're a corporatist or business owner, you're dead wrong about unions. Any working person who is anti-union is stupid, ignorant, or crazy."

      You haven't effectively argued that this is actually good for society. Is it economically efficient for someone to be paid $75k when the job could be completed by someone else for little more than minimum wage? Doubtful. That ($75k-(minimum wage+little more)) is being misallocated due to the union. Because of the union premium you just described, the postal service has to raise postal rates more, and that in turn impacts all the consumers & businesses that use the postal service. Which in turn affects everyone else down the line from them.

      If the union weren't there your friend might actually have some motivation to go do a job which is actually worth $75k/yr. That would actually be better for society.

  29. Use the people monitoring SCRAM bracelets... by kimgkimg · · Score: 1

    They seem to be monitoring those alerts at the micro-second level. Just ask Lindsay Lohan...

  30. Tin foil Anklets!!! by Photo_Nut · · Score: 1

    What happens to a GPS device if you wrap aluminum foil around it? Does the metal make a Faraday Cage? What about mesh? For that matter, how about pants with metal mesh integrated into them?

    1. Re:Tin foil Anklets!!! by Coffee+Warlord · · Score: 2, Informative

      The server will send an alert that it can't communicate with the unit, and (theoretically, apparently not in CA) someone will be contacting that person to check it out.

  31. Spending by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not lose track of the primary goal here: to spend money. Why is spending money the goal? Because at the top of the power pyramid, as long as the money passes through your hands, you win. It doesn't matter where it goes or whether it "succeeds" in achieving their "goals". What matters is that the money passes through your hands, giving you a chance to exploit it for personal gain.

    There's a reason why every year government costs more, and it's certainly not because government is getting better. It's because the more money passing through the business of government, the more lucrative the business of government for those who control it.

  32. If they have shown that they are high risk by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

    If they have shown that they are high risk,then why are they paroled in the first place? Parole is a reward for good behavior in prison. Do we want violent criminals released before non violent criminals? Both are risks i guess, one might kill me or my family or one might steal everything i have,which one would you choose?

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  33. 150k FOR EVERYONE!!? by denzacar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ALL unionized workers get paid that much? Really?

    Oh... wait... you were generalizing and putting up a straw man, I get it.

    now enunciate the real world plan in which that is possible

    You mean a world where everyone makes unionized workers' salaries, benefits and protection and not the actual straw man 150k you mention above?
    Easy.

    The same one where CEOs DON'T get rewarded by 6 and 7-figure salaries and bonuses regardless if they bring the economy to its knees.
    Also... The same one where both CEOs and workers consider a sum like 150k a year "a shitload of money".

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  34. Say it ain't so... by superdave80 · · Score: 1

    "...a massive exercise in largely useless spending."

    Useless spending? By the government?

    **GASP**

  35. this is the problem: by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/business/economy/21pension.html

    In Yonkers, more than 100 retired police officers and firefighters are collecting pensions greater than their pay when they were working. One of the youngest, Hugo Tassone, retired at 44 with a base pay of about $74,000 a year. His pension is now $101,333 a year.

    now you tell me: do i have valid grounds to find this unacceptable?

    you introduce a false conflict: that if i stand against the union stooge, that i must by some inference be supporting the ceo making 7 figures while his company crashes and burns

    why can't i hate both?

    why can't i hate the coddled union stooge AND the coddled ceo, at the same time?

    and, most importantly, i reject the notion we should all make the same amount. please tell me we don't need to go into a remedial education about why communism fails

    i support capitalism with socialist safety nets. or socialism with capitalist engines. whatever. i simply am complaining about these union stooges obviously getting away with murder. just as much murder as the ceo scumbags with the golden parachutes from the companies they helped destroy

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    1. Re:this is the problem: by BranMan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Bullshit. Retired Police and especially fire fighters should be taken care of well. We don't pay them, especially fire fighters, very well while they are working, and their chosen career chews them up.

      Consider fire fighters. Smoke inhalation, heavy exertion, burns, broken bones, frostbite - you name it. My father in law is a retired fire fighter and he has gnarled fingers, circulatory problems, a bad back, some burns, missing teeth, digestive problems, the list goes on.

      Doing that for 30 years, then retiring, I don't EXPECT them to be able to work at something else. Nor need to.

      Same with the Police and the military, who lay their health and life on the line. They deserve it - it's the least we owe them.

      So bitch about CEOs and Union workers if you want, but don't bitch about those that protect you - in spite of your attitude.

  36. YOU introduce a false conflict... by denzacar · · Score: 0

    You asked for someone to describe you a world where anyone could have salaries and benefits akin to those enjoyed by union workers.
    You didn't ask for someone to fix irregularities in how unions operate.

    And besides... Why shouldn't your pension be higher than your last year's salary?
    You WERE investing into the fund for decades, right? Not just piling it up - INVESTING. Your money was working for you all that time.
    Plus, if I recall correctly, the money you put into you pension fund doesn't get taxed like the rest of your salary.

    And again... Why all those straw men? Why couldn't you quote THIS part of the same article?

    Some will receive the big pensions for decades.
    Thirteen New York City police officers recently retired at age 40 with pensions above $100,000 a year; nine did so in their 30s.
    The plan's public information officer said that the very young retirees had qualified for special disability pensions, which are 50 percent larger than ordinary police pensions.
    He said several dozen of the highest-paid New York City police retirees had disabilities related to 9/11 and the rest of the disabilities resulted from injuries in the line of duty.

    Also:

    Mr. Tassone said the only reason he joined the police force was the promise of a full pension after just 20 years, and it would have been wrong for the state or city to go back on the promise after using it to recruit him.

    He said he put up with hardships for 20 years as a police officer, "and now I'm at the end of it and I've become a target," he said.
    "I broke my hand three times. I broke my left ankle. I blew out my knee.
    In my last two years alone, I made between 350 and 400 arrests, and a lot of those people weren't volunteering."

    Because he could retire young, he added, it was important to start out with the largest pension possible.
    In the coming years, inflation will eat away at his benefit.
    Public pensions in New York City and State have had a cost-of-living adjustment feature since 2000, but it applies only to the first $18,000.

    "I concede, I have a very good pension, but what's that pension going to be worth when I'm 70 years old?" Mr. Tassone said.

    Seriously?
    Do you really like straw that much or do you simply hate hard working american police officers?

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  37. Re:Some problems are pretty isolated to just Ameri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see Americans do this a lot. They take a problem that's common throughout the American political system, and try to play down its negativity by suggesting it's a problem that's common elsewhere.

    In reality, that's just not the case. In South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia and throughout Europe, the government actually works for the people. Then again, they don't have two shitty parties, but numerous smaller parties who have to work together, and who will quickly be replaced if they deliver only bullshit promises, rather than action, to the electorate.

    Most other democracies and republics aren't like America. They aren't two party systems, where both parties are corporate-controlled. Thus many of the problems with American politics are quite isolated just to American politics. To claim they exist elsewhere is just not true, and indicative of a complete ignorance of foreign governments.

    Ah yes the old Americans are stupid and the American political system is stupid argument. If you think that multiparty governments solve everything I invite you to view a few pictures:

    http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/01/fighting-in-parliaments-around-world.html

    A politician's job is to stay elected in every democratic system I know of. If this means passing useless laws to make the people keep them in office or spreading rhetoric around like candy then they will do it. They don't actually have to do anything only appear to do something, even if it is a waste of money, manpower and time.

    So get off your high horse and realize that neither system is better, they are just different.

  38. hard working police officers? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    retiring at 40? making 6 figures for the rest of his life for doing nothing?

    i'm sorry, but you set up again a false conflict: that if i think that that financial arrangement is abusive of taxpayers, then i hate police officers. why can't i respect police officers, support their right to make a good income, and reject this highly abusive pension arrangement? of course i can do that. so stop smearing my words, asshole

    i'm through talking to you. you aren't able to talk about the issues, you have to continually distill the most outrageous deduction from something i say and then argue against that, as if that has anything to do with what i am saying. it's like i say i support gay marriage, and you say that means i support men marrying boys. or that i am for marijuana legalization, and you saying therefore i'm for methamphetamine legalization. that's the way you argue. and it basically means you're a fucking asshole not worth anyone's time

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  39. Also... Why SAME salary? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    I didn't say ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT.

    Here...

    You mean a world where everyone makes unionized workers' salaries, benefits and protection and not the actual straw man 150k you mention above?

    Where exactly do I say "same amount"?
    Also, I have EXPLICITLY argued against your "150k for everyone" straw man.

    i support capitalism with socialist safety nets. or socialism with capitalist engines. whatever. i simply am complaining about these union stooges obviously getting away with murder. just as much murder as the ceo scumbags with the golden parachutes from the companies they helped destroy

    Oh please... Now you are comparing a unionized employee making couple of thousands more in benefits to a CEO literally STEALING millions?
    Pleaaaase...

    Face it - you are NOT for "capitalism with socialist safety nets. or socialism with capitalist engines.".
    I'm guessing that you would like to be, maybe because you have personal issues with your life so far, which makes you feel somehow "responsible".
    But your heart is simply not in it. You are far more to the right, and far closer to laissez-faire deregulated capitalism than you would like to believe.

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  40. Ha-HA! You have fallen into my clever little trap by denzacar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    i'm sorry, but you set up again a false conflict: that if i think that that financial arrangement is abusive of taxpayers, then i hate police officers.

    That was SARCASM... fucking asshole.

    Also, there is nothing abusive about Tassone's pension agreement.
    RTFM - the guy was planning to retire after 20 years.
    So, he busted his ass for that time, pulling in as much overtime as he could.
    He also suffered injuries in the line of duty.

    Those 20 years are probably more like 30-40 years of 9-to-5 work, but he did them in 20.
    Good for him.

    Should everyone be allowed to do the same?
    Work hard, pull in as much overtime as you can (and have it on record as such), put in as much into your pension-fund and retire early.
    Plus, don't get fired so someone could buy a third mansion for his cat.
    Fuck yeah!

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  41. Modded to 0? Is THAT the best you can do? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Come on! Let me see some REAL trolling!
    You obviously can't beat my post with arguments - let's see you throw mod points in my face and call me names.
    COME ON! BE A PROPER TROLL!

    Bah... Kids these days...
    In my day, trolls had balls...
    Now? They hide behind "anonymous coward" and chuck mod points at you.
    Pathetic.

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  42. Hardware is so not the whole story! by AidanApWord · · Score: 1

    A simple multiple choice?
    When it is little more than a fancy paperweight (ankle bracelet)?
    OR
    When it is a part of a properly focused, scoped, implemented, managed and targeted product suite?

    The fact that the product (hardware wise at least) was deployed in the production environment before *even just* the product reporting was properly in place is hugely symptomatic of what was probably a ridiculously rushed through half-baked plan. There is so much more to what a decent data management system is than what appears to have been implemented in this case!

    Slap a bit of extra hardware on a person and think that is going to make a jot's difference to their behavior ... ummm ... no! Such naivety is rife in the device industry. Medical devices in the medical realm fail to succeed in the market all the time - regardless of the depth and strength of their internal implementation. A monitoring device that publishes data into a system that manages the data, generates information (which is only information if it is timely) and enables folks to prioritize their efforts is worth having. No back office system and it is little more than over-priced office clutter.

    Discussions around volcano warning systems and the propensity of people to ignore things that they (even subconsciously) declare as 'crying wolf' are engendered precisely because understaffed departments are full of humans who haven't got the time to change strategic direction (or even get one) when using tools right up on the coal face.

    When will people realize the value of things they can't see? For heaven's sake people ... the hardware is just the tip of the product iceberg! In a very big proportion of the cases ... if you haven't expended as much (or more) effort on the back office system(s) to support the hardware you have completely missed the boat!!!!!

    Pretty shinny hardware is (at best) something that just speeds up our lives (adds workload/stress?) for a time and (a big proportion of the time) little more than a fancy - very expensive - paperweight. When that paperweight engenders a false sense of security things get dangerous fast!

    Find the ego-stroking/vote-stroking politicians and bean counters and send them packing for being such idiots as to think the device was the whole story!

  43. To the mod who marked the post above "Flamebait": by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Read the post above that one and THEN tell me I am the one flaming.

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  44. happened to my friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was 20, she was 17. Back around 2003, DA of Santa Ana CA wanted to prosecute him for pederasty or some bullshit. Not to mention they were living together in the same appartment as boyfriend and girlfriend for a year, and the DA still wanted to prosecute. They're still together to this day.

    It's not politics, it's not religion: it's what we can do to make money by forcing everyone into the system. No "corpus delicti" like Statutes require, they hit every individual on the head like Wack-A-Mole until they find one conspiracy theorist or someone with trauma that they can push-down like a cash-cow and wham they get their cut of money and a 2 year to 10 year subscriber of State or Federal or County or City services.

    Just studying to defend yourself against these transient causes, you can't even improve your lifestyle and upgrade your career. There is that much hostility from government and municipal corporations trying to preserve their selves.

  45. Re:To the mod who marked the post above "Flamebait by crenshawsgc · · Score: 0

    Calling someone a "flaming asshole" is flaming, sad to say. Please be civil.

  46. Hrm. by adolf · · Score: 1

    I haven't read TFA. Or any comments. I'm not really sure if I will. And I'm late to the party, so the mods won't see this - bummer.

    But: I have it on good authority (as in: I personally service both the wearable and monitoring devices) that at least one county in Ohio never did care about these things to the extent that they claimed to.

    People are issued "tracking bracelets" that go around their ankles in cases of house arrest and such. But there's no centralized monitoring, at all: The only way that a detective would know that a criminal under house arrest had violated their terms, would be to drive by their house and see if they're there.

    Yes, that's right: Short-range RF links, much like those that your gas provider likely uses to read your gas meter these days.

    So, if nobody bothers to drive by, then nobody will know if the convicted criminal is actually abiding by the terms of their sentence...and even if they do, it's going to be hit-or-miss whether or not they see them actually violating anything.

    Of course, the criminals themselves don't necessarily know this. But even so it is more of a deterrence than a highly-regulated sentence.

    Color me unimpressed that actual GPS-enabled tracking devices are ignored when boundary alerts go off.

  47. Re:To the mod who marked the post above "Flamebait by denzacar · · Score: 1

    How do you call it when person A (e.g. circletimessquare) calls person B (say... me) an "asshole" and a "fucking asshole", to which person B replies with:

    That was SARCASM... fucking asshole.

    If anything, I've let him off easy.

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