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Sony Finally Turning a Profit On PS3s

When the PS3 launched in 2006, estimates pegged the price of producing the consoles to be as much as $250 more than the price at which they were sold. Production costs have dropped since then, but there have been several price cuts as well. Now, almost four years later, Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida says they're finally turning a profit on the hardware. "This year is the first time that we are able to cover the cost of the PlayStation 3,' Yoshida said. 'We aren't making huge money from hardware, but we aren't bleeding like we used to.' In May, Sony began shipping new PlayStation 3 consoles with smaller and more cost-effective graphics chips. Now, Yoshida said, Sony is looking at replenishing retail stock that has been running on empty since January rather than cutting the price. 'When we bring the cost of hardware down, we are looking at opportunities to adjust prices if we believe that will increase demand,' he explained. 'At the moment, we are trying to catch up our production.'"

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  1. Why cut prices? by CaptainNerdCave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not return the features that were removed? Why not add more features? I was going to buy a PS3, but scrapped those plans when several things went out the window. How many other people are like me?

    A cheaper turd is still a turd.

    1. Re:Why cut prices? by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Features such as PS2 backward compatibility. I'd mention Linux but, frankly, the backward compatibility is the big one.

      Funny that they don't mention dropping hardware for PS2 games. Wikipedia says they don't even emulate anymore. Guess that saves them some time and money too.

    2. Re:Why cut prices? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think that it's a simple software feature that they removed once they saw that there was still demand for new PS2 consoles.

      It wasn't software emulation at all at first, and it was never all software emulation. The very first PS3s actually had what amounted to a PS2 built into them (hardware compatible PS3s were never sold at all in Europe). Then they eliminated the most of that hardware and covered it up with software emulation (which resulted in the PS2 emulation breaking with some PS2 games). Then they eliminated the rest of it and told folks, "Want a PS2? Buy a PS2." PS3 models that were built to emulate PS2s still do; it's just Sony hasn't manufactured PS3s that do that for years now.

    3. Re:Why cut prices? by worx101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Could do it in Singapore, if the 150$ is USD :P

    4. Re:Why cut prices? by Troed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This earlier post in this same thread corrects you.

      (My european PS3 does indeed have hardware to do PS2 emulation)

    5. Re:Why cut prices? by Narishma · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can see the evidence if you open a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility, and one without and compare their motherboards (or go to a website that does that sort of thing). Then you'll see that the newer ones don't have the PS2 chips. PS2 emulation on PS3 always relied on PS2 hardware inside the PS3. At first it had both the CPU and GPU, then they removed the CPU and emulated it on the Cell processor but left the GPU in there. Finally they removed the GPU so it wasn't possible to run PS2 games anymore. I don't think the PS3 is powerful enough to emulate PS2 games at full speed in software.

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    6. Re:Why cut prices? by sonicmerlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Consolidate living room hardware? I also still have some PS2 games I haven't yet finished. It has such a huge catalog.

    7. Re:Why cut prices? by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some say it's an emulator, but considering how it requires downloading some kind of compatibility info for each game to your 360, I'm guessing it's a compatibility layer.

      It's what the emulation scene calls a "high-level emulator". It emulates the user mode part of the game (which is x86 bytecode) and reimplements the "Windows XB" operating system (which is function names).

    8. Re:Why cut prices? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Insightful

      for $20 you can also buy a new copy of an older PS3 title.

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    9. Re:Why cut prices? by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is an odd statement to me. I owned a PSX and a PS2 and now I own a PS3. I don't keep every console I have ever played hooked up to my tv I try to consolidate. So, I have a launch PS3 and when I want to play a PSX or PS2 game for kicks or because I liked the game I spin the disk up and play it. Likewise when I want to watch a DVD or BluRay I put them in and watch them. I don't go now that I have HD all dvd's are a waste. I spent a lot of money for medium grade resolution when that wass all I could do and I don't plan on giving film studio's the honor of bulk rebuying my collection every generation. Maybe every other generation, but definitely not once per format.

      I mean if a game was fun in 1986 it is still fun today. I might not be able to tell my kid why I like The Legend of Zelda or Mario All Stars, but it doesn't change the nostalgia. That being said I am quite two-faced on the issue when it comes to new content and ask why would anyone own a wii when they could own a 360/PS3.

      In short People want BC so they can have a single machine that can play there old games. I have always assumed Sony would add it back when they stopped making PS2s, but now that they are trying to sale PS2 games on BluRay disk for the PS3 I doubt it will ever happen and I don't know if the next generation will play previous generation games. I know if they switch architectures off the cell its most likely never going to happen.

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    10. Re:Why cut prices? by 222 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I recently disassembled a 60GB unit to repair a YLOD and can confirm that launch PS3 units have the Emotion Engine / PS2 CPU chip directly on board.

      I'd also like to recommend to Slashdot readers the cheap PS3 route; I bought a YLOD 60GB unit (with a 320 GB drive in it) for $100 off Cragslist. Disassemble it, remove thermal compound from the RSX and Cell, and bake the motherboard in an oven at 425 for 12 minutes. I've done this twice, and gotten good results both times. I think I'm the best uncle ever; I gave this 60GB PS3 to my nephews since I already have one. I think taking a broken PS3 and fixing it in front of them is waaaaaaaaaaay cooler than just buying one at the store : )

  2. IOW, SNAFU by Magada · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The old hardware's too pricy to keep making, there's not enough of the new cheap stuff so they're bleeding in new and interesting ways - not having enough product to sell is making distributors angry and their profits small. They're hoping that passing on some of the savings to some of the distributors will make them less angry. That will make their per-unit profit even smaller but they hope to compensate with volume, maybe, someday, when they are able to make enough of the damn things.

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  3. Nintendo says... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 4, Funny

    "What's that?! Speak up! I can't hear you from this giant pool of money I'm swimming like Scrooge McDuck!"

    1. Re:Nintendo says... by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was thinking more in terms of home console (profits from base system) vs home console (profits from base system). You know, Wii vs PS3. Yes, yes, they're not direct as in beer competitors Coors and Bud (in that they're selling the same piss flavored shit) but they are still aiming for the same function so there's a pretty big overlap of markets.

      Also, PS3 is getting its own motion controller. Different products are becoming not as different.

    2. Re:Nintendo says... by Troed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Handy tip for those who don't know: Add #t=XXmYYs to any Youtube link to jump directly to that timestamp.

      The above AC link would become http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vouJTvrpHGQ#t=3m30s - and you can thus easier see how non-funny it was.

    3. Re:Nintendo says... by delinear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seems like Sony's usual mis-step of creating nice hardware but completing misjudging the mood of the market. They released a be-all-end-all console that could play games from the current and last two generations, contained a Blu-Ray player and was a Linux computer, but they charged an astronomical price at launch. It then transpired that there market wanted a cheap, dedicated game console and didn't care about the bells and whistles. The world economy starting to collapse a year later probably didn't help, but disregarding even this it was badly judged - if they'd stuck to their guns and produced a cheap, solid gaming console they'd have likely hit profit much sooner and wouldn't now have a bunch of angry customers who've seen the feature set of their purchase pared down. The flip side of the coin is that the PS3 helped them win the BD/HDD war, and taking a long term view maybe they're going to reap back far more than they'd have lost with a cheap console and HDD being the market standard - time will tell on that score.

  4. And just in time! by Psaakyrn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now, they can start not making a profit again when they ship Move!

  5. Has the console arms race ended for now? by mykos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember the 90s being full of consoles:
    3DO, Dreamcast, Saturn, PS1, Atari Jaguar, N64, Philips CD-i, in addition to existing ones like Genesis/SegaCD/32x and SNES which were in the prime of their lives in the early 90s.
    Now the 360 has been out for five years and the PS3 has been out for four. Neither company seems interested in making new hardware anymore, which is understandable since they lost so much money working out the bugs. But it seems that nobody wants to one-up the other anymore.
    Rather than pursue hardware that is clearly superior to their competitor (as many attempted in the 90s), they just blow money purchasing exclusives.

    1. Re:Has the console arms race ended for now? by indeterminator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe they noticed the success of casual gaming (Wii mostly), and figured that better profits await if they can sell equipment to wider audience. That instead of pushing expensive bleeding-edge hardware to small group of hardcore gamers.

      Hopefully a break in hardware race forces the game publishers to move from "my effect-bling is better than yours" mode to actually compete in gameplay and quality content.

  6. The empty shelves claim again, Sony? Really? by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know we can see these shelves, right?

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  7. Good job Sony! by f3rret · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Sony (I know your a shiver corporate hivemind is lurking here)

    Like to topic says, good job and congratulations on finally turning a profit on your product!
    You only had to alienate a large section of your customers and potential customers. Hell you even managed to piss off The USAF, so that's something at least.

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  8. Odd.... by Jae686 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I never knew that was on Sony's mind when they lauched the ps3 ? What were they expecting, brand loyalty ?

  9. Casual? by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe they noticed the success of casual gaming (Wii mostly), and figured that better profits await if they can sell equipment to wider audience.

    Or maybe they're gluing feathers onto their bodies and trying to fly. I wouldn't say "casual" is exactly the right word for Nintendo's strategy.

  10. Unfortunately, they had to cut a few features by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    To make this profit, though, Sony had to cut a few features from consoles (retroactively for already-sold ones as well, unfortunately):

    * Linux can't be used anymore (we already know about this one)
    * Blu-ray playback now includes commercials every 15 minutes
    * When connected to the Internet, you must allow it to be a node in a botnet, or online play will be disabled
    * To save cost, gaphics are now displayed as in The Matrix, but they say you'll quickly be able to see everything in 3D with some practice