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Zynga Investment May Herald Google Games

A post at TechCrunch claims knowledge of large investments from Google into social game company Zynga, makers of FarmVille and Mafia Wars. The amount of money involved is not small — somewhere in the $100-200 million range — and could facilitate Google's expansion into the games market. Quoting: "The investment was made by Google itself, not Google Ventures, say our sources, and it's a highly strategic deal. Zynga will be the cornerstone of a new Google Games to launch later this year, say multiple sources. Not only will Zynga's games give Google Games a solid base of social games to build on, but it will also give Google the beginning of a true social graph as users log into Google to play the games. And I wouldn't be surprised to see PayPal being replaced with Google Checkout as the primary payment option. Zynga is supposedly PayPal's biggest single customer, and Google is always looking for ways to make Google Checkout relevant."

186 comments

  1. Relevant. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I'm always looking for ways to make Paypal less relevant.

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    1. Re:Relevant. by SquarePixel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, I'm always looking for ways to make Paypal less relevant.

      The funny thing is, PayPal is mostly just relevant in the US and other western countries. Other countries have better online systems with full encyption, added security and several ways to use their system, and people happily use these to pay their phone and tv bills and everything else. You can also top up your account by buying one of the several coupons from the kiosk near you.

      It's actually quite funny how US people put up with PayPal and their shitty and insecure system.

    2. Re:Relevant. by macraig · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right now some of us in California are looking for ways to make Meg Whitman less relevant.

    3. Re:Relevant. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      It's actually quite funny how US people put up with PayPal and their shitty and insecure system.

      It's actually quite funny what people in other parts of the world put up with that we do not. However, in Paypal's case I think it's more a matter of ineffective regulation than anything else.

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    4. Re:Relevant. by moreati · · Score: 1

      Well lets make them more relevant :). What are the names of some please?

    5. Re:Relevant. by hey · · Score: 1

      Do you have any examples or URLs?
      Maybe us Westerners can use something else.

    6. Re:Relevant. by kyrio · · Score: 3, Interesting
    7. Re:Relevant. by mortonda · · Score: 1

      Many of us are wishing California was less relevant.

    8. Re:Relevant. by citizenr · · Score: 1

      what URLs? every bank has online transactions, money are transferred few times a day/immediatelly (depends on the bank/system). Online Banking is free and dead simple.

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    9. Re:Relevant. by sortius_nod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why I laugh at US citizens crying about PayPal. For PayPal to operate in Australia they have to adhere to Australian regulations, so I've never actually had any real problems with them. We have strong consumer protection laws (providing people are willing to use them) so screwing over customers isn't a huge option.

      Maybe instead of crying foul in PayPal, cry foul on your consumer protection laws. Oh wait, you want small government. The prices you pay for your supposed freedoms.

    10. Re:Relevant. by macraig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmmm... are you really wishing Texas or Arizona were more relevant?

    11. Re:Relevant. by yoyhed · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have the choice not to use PayPal here in the U.S. than be forced to follow the laws of a government like Australia's. Censorship of media is one thing that comes to mind.

      I also use PayPal for hundreds of dollars of transactions each month. I've had no issues - I pay the 3% fee for incoming payments, and I pay the $1.00 ATM fee to get out my money in cash as soon as I can.

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    12. Re:Relevant. by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with PayPal?

      I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely curious.

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    13. Re:Relevant. by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia, I can transfer money from my bank account to any other bank account in Australia with ANY bank and I dont pay a cent. (other larger and greedier banks may have different fee structures)
      And I dont have to worry about my account being frozen or transactions being reversed because the other guy filed a complaint.

    14. Re:Relevant. by kyrio · · Score: 3, Informative

      Everything. Locking accounts to make up money that they lost. Having money stolen from you because someone decided to keep what you've sent and also file that they didn't receive it (or other types of situations like this). Massive fees. No contact information. Stealing donation money.

    15. Re:Relevant. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      A government that can give you everything you want can take it all away. We're something like 12 trillion in debt. Paypal is trivial compared to that.

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    16. Re:Relevant. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Everything. Locking accounts to make up money that they lost. Having money stolen from you because someone decided to keep what you've sent and also file that they didn't receive it (or other types of situations like this). Massive fees. No contact information. Stealing donation money.

      That's a good start.

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    17. Re:Relevant. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Maybe instead of crying foul in PayPal, cry foul on your consumer protection laws. Oh wait, you want small government. The prices you pay for your supposed freedoms.

      Cue the libertarian "it's too *much* government intervention that's the problem, it distorts the pure beauty of the free market" rants in 3...2...

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    18. Re:Relevant. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, PayPal is mostly just relevant in the US and other western countries. Other countries have better online systems with full encyption, added security and several ways to use their system, and people happily use these to pay their phone and tv bills and everything else. You can also top up your account by buying one of the several coupons from the kiosk near you.

      It's actually quite funny how US people put up with PayPal and their shitty and insecure system.

      That's because Paypal solves a problem that well, no one else solves, whether it be Amazon Payments, Google Checkout, Visa, or other provider. It lets people pay via credit cards to people who otherwise don't qualify for merchant accounts. If you're Joe Average and you're getting money for selling some widget online that you found in the attic, no one would let you set up a merchant account - your volume is too small.

      Which then leaves you to accept Western Union payments as a form of "instant" payment (where the buyer can send you money and have it arrive quick), or they drop a cheque/money order in the mail which means the seller has to wait maybe a couple of weeks for a possibly non-existent letter, then another week or two for it to clear. And the buyer has to go through the hassle of mailing a payment. Which makes no sense in this era where everyone pays for online goods by credit card (or bank transfer, or other electronic mechanism).

      Hell, I've had people tell me to pay them via Paypal instead of their merchant account - they got much better rates. And it seems, Paypal's processor hasn't been breached yet. I've had to replace my card about once a year because some credit card processor suffers a breach. Sure I'm not liable, but it's sure a PITA when you have payments due or want to get that widget on sale.

    19. Re:Relevant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm... are you really wishing Texas or Arizona were more relevant?

      Yes.

    20. Re:Relevant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then, in the grand relevant spirit of the Texan Wild West, I think you need killin'.

    21. Re:Relevant. by xmvince · · Score: 1

      Ahaha, yes, I think we've all been ripped off one way or another by ScamPal.

  2. zynga poker android by airwedge1 · · Score: 1

    Maybe they'll release a zynga poker app for android. I've been wanting that for awhile now.

  3. I can see it now... by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Funny

    [Google Search] World of Warcraft

    Did you mean: World of Googlecraft?

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    1. Re:I can see it now... by Eudial · · Score: 1

      And nothing of value was lost.

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  4. Crap Flash Games by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is more likely to herald the entrance of Google into crap, very buggy flash games with unsubtle ways to get children to bug their parents to pay for very expensive pixels to put in their crap flash game.

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    1. Re:Crap Flash Games by Zerth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm rather surprised Google would invest in Zynga, considering their reputation for working with spyware, scam deal sites, personal information harvesters, and other things that Google would warn you about if you clicked on them in Chrome.

      Not that it matters much, but this actually tarnishes my opinion of Google a bit.

    2. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a space where I'm baffled by Google not wanting to simply compete rather than buy into an existing product. Zynga's games are not exactly difficult to write, or particularly well-done; and just like myspace, facebook, et al, customer loyalty is close to nil. Perhaps this comes from Google's hiring practices, that they lack the ability to take on projects with even very modest artistic requirements. Also, I'd say partnering with Zynga comes very close to doing evil, as Zynga are pretty scummy (in the facebook sense).

    3. Re:Crap Flash Games by Aliotroph · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps they took that into account, thinking they might clean that up a bit while they go along. It would make no sense at all for most businesses to do something like that, but Google makes strange business decisions.

    4. Re:Crap Flash Games by Beale · · Score: 1

      It's okay that they'll be buggy, though, since they'll just be beta versions.

    5. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has (and could hire more) artists. If you take an honest look at google; they're good at search, they're good at adwords, GMail is popular (but less so than hotmail or yahoo mail), and that's it. Everything else is a failure or an acquisition (sometimes to replace their previous failure).

    6. Re:Crap Flash Games by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Maybe Google sees a little kernel of something good in Zygna and wants to rescue it from Facebook. It's interesting and possibly refreshing to see Google look like they might take something away from Facebook. Though it does seem a bit like Google striving to be more like Facebook.

    7. Re:Crap Flash Games by underqualified · · Score: 1

      given how google's been pushing html5 recently...it could be a possible transition to html5 games.

    8. Re:Crap Flash Games by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The terms of use are also very slimy

      You waive your right to sue, to join others in a class action or other collective lawsuit, to filing an injunction,

      Their privacy policy also sucks - remember how facebook leaks your personal data - zynga admits it:

      . We may offer you the opportunity to submit other information about yourself (such as gender, age, occupation, hobbies, interests, zip code, etc.), or we may be able to collect that information from social networking systems on which you have used Zynga Games or SNS Apps ...

      We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services, Zynga games and other users of Zynga, to supplement your profile.

      Yes, zynga is a spyware business.

    9. Re:Crap Flash Games by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Ill go one step further and predict if they stick with this path, it will be their eventual undoing.

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    10. Re:Crap Flash Games by Cylix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well being as how they publicly admit to do everything awful in the universe to make a buck and stay afloat I'm not surprised.

      To the guys credit he was pretty much right on. The people who would read the article and actually worry are the ones they were not targeting. Basically, any informed viewer of their applications they knew they were already going to make less on.

      He was also a bit prophetic and wagered that the scum bugs would be pushed out of the business as it legitimized. It's a bit like a wave in that the gray area guys can occasionally rise up as they follow the tide of rising popularity.

      Still, what he said made me understand that nothing good come from associating with them. I made sure never to use another zynga game again. To be on the safe side I'll probably avoid google's variants as well.

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    11. Re:Crap Flash Games by Enderandrew · · Score: 0

      Facebook has more traffic than Google, and part of that is because of Zynga games. They are insanely popular. If Google wants to start up a Facebook-killer, then it would help if they can tell people that they can ditch Facebook, and continue their accounts in Zynga games on their service.

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    12. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Facebook has more traffic than Google

      Absolute rubbish! How about backing it up with some research? FB is a mere blip on google's traffic, let alone aggregating google's sites.

    13. Re:Crap Flash Games by Enderandrew · · Score: 0
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    14. Re:Crap Flash Games by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      ... or maybe they saw it as "Crap Flesh Games" and figured "here's something to get the nerds on board - and motivate people to work long hours.

      ... they could have two brands: Google Games for the PG-rated stuff, and Zynga for all the rest. It's not like Zynga can get a worse reputation than it already has.

    15. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm rather surprised Google would invest in Zynga, considering their reputation for working with spyware, scam deal sites, personal information harvesters, and other things that Google would warn you about if you clicked on them in Chrome.

      You answered your own question.

    16. Re:Crap Flash Games by icebraining · · Score: 1

      New data released from analytics service Hitwise today names Facebook the largest website in the U.S. with 7.07% of all U.S. visits.

      Facebook doesn't have more traffic than Google.

    17. Re:Crap Flash Games by icebraining · · Score: 1

      GMail is popular (but less so than hotmail or yahoo mail)

      Probably, but is that true in new users per month? Both Hotmail and Yahoo exist longer than GMail, and email is one of the internet services with the largest cost to switch (changing the address you gave to so many people through the years).

    18. Re:Crap Flash Games by WitnessForTheOffense · · Score: 1

      So apparently you didn't RTFA to which you posted a link. The comments explain that the results were merely domain vs domain and didn't take into account Google's other domains and services. It was strictly traffic to google.com and facebook.com. YouTube (owned by Google) was left out from Google's stats, as well as every other domain Google runs. Damn lies != proof.

    19. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not at all surprised, remember that DoubleClick is part of Google. It's not beyond the possibility of being able to play both sides with one side being concerned about the spyware, personal information sharing, etc. while the other side couldn't care less.

    20. Re:Crap Flash Games by Tom9729 · · Score: 1

      That's not much of an excuse. I have Yahoo! mail and Hotmail accounts, and I tied them into my Gmail. Now I only have to check one account, and I can send emails out through my old addresses from the Gmail interface. It's not very difficult to setup either (Settings -> Accounts and Import).

      You get all the benefits of Gmail (lots of storage, excellent spam filtering) but you can keep using your old addresses. :)

    21. Re:Crap Flash Games by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      How is a factually true statement a lie?

      No, those are considered other sites. When people count eBay's traffic, they don't include PayPal, BillMeLater, Skype, StubHub, etc.

      Ford has been claiming in all their ads for years that they have the best selling truck on the planet. Right now, since Ford is up and Chevy is in the toilet, that is technically true. But for years and years, it wasn't. GM splits their truck sales under the Chevy and GM brands. Combined, GM sold more trucks than Ford. But GM isn't considered a nameplate for one brand. So Ford could claim they were the best selling truck company, and GM could claim the same thing at the same time.

      And if you want to get *really* technical, Microsoft is a partial owner of Facebook. I believe the majority if Facebook stuck is privately owned, but they are the largest company who owns Facebook stock.

      So if you lumped in Facebook with every domain that Microsoft owns (Hotmail, Live, Bing, etc.) I'm sure Microsoft/Facebook would come out on top.

      So when it comes to damned lies, you're the one who doesn't want to compare apples to apples.

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    22. Re:Crap Flash Games by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      Does it tarnish your opinion of making money? Depending on whether you feel as if you're suffering under a shower of shit, or basking in a shower of money, may affect whether you invest in their stock, or not.

    23. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention their games are simply awful in terms of enjoyment of the game. They just are gratification junkie games. There's no skill involved in any of them.

    24. Re:Crap Flash Games by N0Man74 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I felt the same way when I read this.

      I guess it's "Don't Be Evil... just invest in someone else to be Evil for you."

    25. Re:Crap Flash Games by victorhooi · · Score: 1

      heya,

      I do exactly the same thing, and I keep my old Yahoo.com address around. Yet I never actually log into my Yahoo account directly. So I think there's probably some distortion there.

      And I'm sorry, the Google is only good at Search is an old and debunked myth.

      Gmail is *very* popular, and has awesome mindshare. Seriously, who the heck actually prefers Hotmail/Yahoo over it? Most people just stick to it because it's too hard to change addresses, and they don't know that you can check your other accounts via Gmail (like I and the parent poster do). However, nearly all of those non-tech-savvy people have still opened up Gmail accounts, and are starting to move across to them slowly.

      Like it or not, Hotmail (or Live Mail, or whatever silly name they come up with next) and Yahoo Mail are slowly but inexorably losing ground to Gmail. The interface is better, the features are better (e.g. IMAP access, whereas Yahoo tries to charge you, offline via Google Gears/HTML5, iPad/Android HTML5 interface), more storage, and ongoing development (e.g. Gmail Labs), rather than the stagnation that seems to occur in the others.

      Oh, and let's see...Android? Major win.

      Google Voice - yup, also rabidly gaining ground.

      Google Talk - becoming more popular, I don't know much about their share.

      Google Checkout - slowly gaining ground, and the tie-ins to Android Market should help.

      Picasa - Very popular

      Google Code - Very Popular

      Google Apps - Also gaining traction very quickly.

      At the end of the day, their epic fails are mainly the social networking sphere, for some weird reason, and also in specific markets, usually due to censorship (e.g. China, or other backward EMEA nations).

      Cheers,
      Victor

    26. Re:Crap Flash Games by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I'm rather surprised Google would invest in Zynga, considering their reputation for working with spyware, scam deal sites, personal information harvesters, and other things that Google would warn you about if you clicked on them in Chrome.

      Well, Google also bought Doubleclick, so I don't think they have any reservations about buying dodgy companies.

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    27. Re:Crap Flash Games by Cabana+Bob · · Score: 1

      Yes, zynga is a spyware business.

      Zynga is a spy, but Facebook is the equivalent of the CIA or KGB. That is, it's naive to fault Zynga for spying on a platform that is designed for spying. Zynga may be a bad actor, but Facebook facilitates and encourages their behavior -- after all, Facebook's entire business model is predicated on invasion of privacy.

    28. Re:Crap Flash Games by jadin · · Score: 1

      My first thought was that this is a sneak attack on facebook.

      First they buyout facebook's most popular app(s), then add them to Google products, and discontinue the facebook versions. Offer a 'bonus' for using it on Google if needed.

      But if I had to guess, people who have spent $100+ on their farmville game etc, will have a strong desire to not throw away that "investment", including following it to a competitor's social network. Especially since google's buzz or wave is free, and it's not like they force you to give up your facebook account to join...

      Even if a large chunk of those users come to the realization they can live without farmville but not facebook, it still seems like a pretty solid plan to steal a few million users from facebook...

    29. Re:Crap Flash Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get data and sell it on, how else do you think they make money? It's been the core of their business model since inception. Why do people trust Google at all? (unless you work for them).

      Don't get me wrong, google maps and other apps are very good for free, but It seems obvious that they would get better at profiling and storing data. Did the collection of insecured data from wi-fi hot spots not raise any eyebrows? It did mine.

      you don't own your data if you are using Google's online apps and email.

    30. Re:Crap Flash Games by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Waive your right to sue? That's pretty outrageous... Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract?

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    31. Re:Crap Flash Games by Lemming42 · · Score: 1

      The terms of use are also very slimy

      You waive your right to sue, to join others in a class action or other collective lawsuit, to filing an injunction,

      IANAL but isn't it the case that courts never uphold the validity of those kinds of causes in contracts? You can still do all those things, you'll just be in breach of contract (a contract you probably don't care about if you're filing or joining a class-action lawsuit).

  5. Another Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the stuff that Google is buying and doing sounds eerily familiar to what Yahoo and failed at doing (make an "everything web portal"). Has anyone been able to pull this off and make money?

    I know Google is sitting pretty right now, but, as a business person, it's concerning when a company is moving into so many different markets in a few years. Obviously they have some very smart folks there, so maybe it's just me.

    -Good luck!

    1. Re:Another Yahoo? by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yahoo!'s (and most of the other search engines) problems was, that they tried to promote most of the auxiliary services through the main site. Though Yahoo! isn't exactly loosing, they just did not get the majority of the search market, but for instance in Japan they are highly popular.. they are also the forth most visited site on the Internet, I wouldn't call that exactly loosing.

      Google is doing a lot of stuff too, but most of it is standing alone (i.e. youtube) and is self-promoting.

      They could clean up the start page a bit (or at least make it more customizable), but generally they are doing search + ads as primary business and the other stuff is loosely connected.

      As for checkout.. well, PayPal was the first major popular global Internet payment option, but they are causing a lot of grief lately and will loose importance.

      What will succeed them? My best bet is Amazon Payments, as they have attractive payment conditions (the nearest I have seen so far to micro-payments) and they have an established customer base with access to bank account data and _some_ trust of the users.

      Google has no business where people regularly spend money from their account. They will have a hard time to make people set up payment account on their site, but it's not impossible.

    2. Re:Another Yahoo? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      They could clean up the start page a bit (or at least make it more customizable)

      Google.com is very clean, especially until you move your mouse. And they have a customizable start page, it's called iGoogle. I don't use it, though.

    3. Re:Another Yahoo? by dadioflex · · Score: 1
      Google wishes it had Yahoo's games business.... what's your point? Google Checkout is... a thing.

      Amazon what now? Ugh. Whoever lets me slap you awake first wins the internet. Um, in my opinion.

    4. Re:Another Yahoo? by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      I have used Google Checkout to purchase things for my Android phone.. and have made some other online purchases with them.. Paypal has screwed up 2 out of the 4 times I have used them.. that's not a lot you say, but when something doesn't work from the getgo, and deals with money.. not many chances are given.. If given a choice for a purchase, I would take Checkout over Paypal because thus far their failure rate is 0. The majority of my purchases don't usually require either of them.

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    5. Re:Another Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just pocket change for Google. It may not pay off, but Google knows that whilst it currently dominates search it could easily be made irrelevant in a few short years, so they have to spread out as much as they can, and what better way to do that than by investing a few hundred million here and there in what seems to be popular and growing markets. Google currently has a good income and lots of money in the bank, so they need do something with their money to ensure their long term future. And they do seem to be having some success with their strategy. Look at YouTube, that seemed to be a big gamble with what they paid, but it dominates the user-generated video market and they now seem to be having some success in monetizing it.

  6. If Apple did it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would all be Heiling the Steve for making the best Apps ever and paying $99.99 a month for it.

  7. stay classy google by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    With Zyngas past indiscretions I am surprised that Google partnered with them.

    1. Re:stay classy google by Mick+R · · Score: 1

      "Past" indiscretions? With the quality of their code I can't imagine a Zynga programmer being able to get a job teaching BASIC to grade school kids and their QA people must have access to THE best hallucinogenics money can buy if they think that trash is production grade software. I wouldn't hire an ex-Zynga employee to scrub toilets let alone touch a computer!

    2. Re:stay classy google by dangitman · · Score: 1

      With Zyngas past indiscretions I am surprised that Google partnered with them.

      Why?

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    3. Re:stay classy google by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      check out the coverage on Techcrunch Zynga did a lot of scummy things and teh CEO admitted it.

    4. Re:stay classy google by dangitman · · Score: 1

      check out the coverage on Techcrunch Zynga did a lot of scummy things and teh CEO admitted it.

      Yes, but why does it surprise you that Google would partner with them? Google does a lot of scummy things (but likes to pretend otherwise).

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  8. $200 million? by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, how many experience points did they get for that!

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    1. Re:$200 million? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I imagine they got around 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 XP or so.

      .

      .

      .

      (Blargh, stupid repetition filter is stupid.)

  9. Paypal sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paypal is the biggest ripoff ever to exist .... Insane fee scammers.

    1. Re:Paypal sucks by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that. Personally I do try to stay away from them wherever possible, but it's not because of the fees. Anytime you use credit or debit, the processor gets a chunk of the transaction to pay for the service. What's really nice about Paypal is that there's some choice as to who pays it. But on the flip side, there's a lot of behaviors which are obnoxious to say the least. Like freezing money in accounts for random reasons and refusing to give it back.

  10. Google Android tie in by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I can't wait for the pointless shit games to hit the Android market.

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    1. Re:Google Android tie in by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I've played them all. It is incredibly difficult to find any artistic merit to them, and on top of that they aren't actually entertaining to the vast majority of people who play these mindless games. But there are a lot of things that suck that are still popular, like cheap fast food and reality television. You praise your own abilities to filter the unwanted content, but cannot or will not filter my simple post.

      Also the personal attacks on me make it pretty obvious that your post is a troll. But I had fun responding anyways.

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    2. Re:Google Android tie in by pandrijeczko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is incredibly difficult to find any artistic merit to them

      Why do you need to find "artistic merit" in something that is designed to be simple entertainment?

      Personally, I can go to the cinema and enjoy a movie that raises important social issues or splatters blood, gore, big guns and semi-naked women across the screen at me for two hours - the only thing that matters is did I come away feeling that the entertainment value justified the cost and effort.

      and on top of that they aren't actually entertaining to the vast majority of people who play these mindless games

      You're actually contradicting yourself here. Surely someone who didn't find something entertaining wouldn't do it, the whole purpose of entertainment being to fill some spare time with something amusing? Just because *YOU* consider it mindless does not automatically mean everyone else does.

      But there are a lot of things that suck that are still popular, like cheap fast food and reality television.

      I myself do not eat fast food or watch reality television because I don't like either. But I've plenty of other things going on around me not to care that much, and if people do enjoy that stuff then let them get on with it. I'm not that self-conscious that I need to find ways to elevate myself above the general populace so I can sneer down at them.

      Also the personal attacks on me make it pretty obvious that your post is a troll. But I had fun responding anyways.

      I'm afraid you started with the personal attacks by elevating yourself to a sneering position over people who do enjoy those games. Or are they supposed to stop what they're doing and take your opinions as the written law just because you deigned to voice your opinions?

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    3. Re:Google Android tie in by icebraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://mediacommons.futureofthebook.org/content/cultivated-play-farmville

      Cultivated Play: Farmville

      by A. J. Patrick Liszkiewicz -- SUNY Buffalo (Amherst)
      March 09, 2010 - 22:44
      [This essay was given as a talk at SUNY Buffalo, 28 January 2010, the day after Howard Zinn's death. I have left the text unaltered, to better reflect the spirit of the talk.]

      "I'm worried that students will take their obedient place in society and look to become successful cogs in the wheel - let the wheel spin them around as it wants without taking a look at what they're doing."
      -- Howard Zinn

      The great social historian Howard Zinn, author of A People's History of the United States, died yesterday of a heart attack. Zinn devoted his life to educating Americans in their country's history, that they might better understand their place in its present. Such understanding is today at a premium. Ours is a time of confusion, of unprecedented changes that outpace our perceptions. As Zinn might have said, the wheel keeps spinning faster, and the faster it spins the harder it is to see.

      At such times, and at such speeds, the task of educating ourselves becomes all the more urgent. We are citizens of a democracy, and democratic citizenship has always been a difficult skill to master. This is why Aristotle tells us that, in an ideal state, citizens would possess ample leisure time: the education of a citizen depends upon contemplation, deliberation, and training. Citizenship requires cultivation and, as any farmer would tell us, cultivation takes time.

      Perhaps it seems a waste of time to discuss video games at a moment like this. After all, this is a serious discussion, and games are supposedly frivolous things. Most any concerned parent might say, "Play is an occasion of pure waste: waste of time, energy, ingenuity, skill, and often of money...."[1] So said Roger Caillois in his book, Man, Play, and Games. Of course, Caillois went on to praise games as a source of joy, as well as a healthy means of "escape from responsibility and routine."[2] For Caillois, as for Aristotle, games are in fact essential to citizenship: they allow us to refresh and renew ourselves, help to socialize us, and afford us opportunities to cultivate our imaginations and reasoning skills.[3]

      If games are essential to citizenship, then this could be a promising time for our democracy. According to a recent survey, over half of American adults play video games, and one in five play everyday or almost everyday. Does this mean we are becoming better citizens? Ninety-seven percent of American teenagers play video games.[4] Does this mean they will become more politically active? Before you dismiss these questions, keep in mind that in October 2008, then-Senator Barack Obama became the first U. S. Presidential candidate to advertise in video games, when his "Early Voting Has Begun" ads appeared in Madden 2009, Burnout Paradise, and other Electronic Arts video games.[5]

      Much has been made of President Obama's sophisticated use of new media technologies. He utilized the internet extensively in organizing and raising funds for his campaign, and has maintained an active presence on popular social media sites, such as Facebook, Twitter, and Flickr. To illustrate, he is currently taking questions about last night's State of the Union address via YouTube, and plans to answer those questions next week in a live, online video feed.[6] While it remains unclear how such events are affecting politics, it is clear that ne

    4. Re:Google Android tie in by icebraining · · Score: 1

      You said:

      Surely someone who didn't find something entertaining wouldn't do it, the whole purpose of entertainment being to fill some spare time with something amusing?

      But that's exactly what the author disagrees with: he says that people play Farmville not because it's entertaining, but because people play Farmville. Doesn't make sense? Go read the article.

    5. Re:Google Android tie in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I can go to the cinema and enjoy a movie that raises important social issues or splatters blood, gore, big guns and semi-naked women across the screen at me for two hours - the only thing that matters is did I come away feeling that the entertainment value justified the cost and effort.

      And I feel sad and sorry for you.

    6. Re:Google Android tie in by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's neither entertaining nor artistic. Gotta have one or the other. At least the splatter fest movies have drama when the hero almost dies but then gets up and kills the last nazi/alien/whatever. Farmville is like a 15 numbers puzzle where all the tiles are blank. You can't win or have any fun with it. About the only thing is that moving the pieces around could be therapeutic to those who relish repetitive motions. (essentially the definition of OCD)

      myself do not eat fast food or watch reality television because I don't like either.

      Then this entire discussion is pointless because you really have no connection with the people who play Zygna games. You're just standing up to defend someone you don't even know because it seems like a fun past time. These replies are on par with playing Farmville, there is no point and it is not fun. But at least my fingers get some exercise, I guess.

      I'm afraid you started with the personal attacks by elevating yourself to a sneering position over people who do enjoy those games.

      If you took a broad generalization as personal then I really don't know what to say. I guess I'm sorry that I inadvertently offended you. I thought it was obvious that the target was Google and Zygna. But I now see that people who are sensitive about their vice of playing shitty games could have been offended as well.

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  11. Spyparty: Google Should Fund It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google should get behind a cutting edge game likeSpyparty. The concept is unique.

  12. I feel by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I feel sort of out of touch I have no idea who zynga is, did they do something important at any point in time?

    1. Re:I feel by Tukz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't know if it's important, but they had a significant impact on casual games (and possibly also micropayments in same category).
      As the article states, they made games like Mafia Wars and FarmVille on Facebook, which are extremely popular.

      Zynga has a higher revenue than Facebook itself.

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    2. Re:I feel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Important? no. Farmville? yes.

    3. Re:I feel by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Their binaries all get put in /usr/games

    4. Re:I feel by Reilaos · · Score: 1

      Well, I just found a lost black sheep. You can help join me in raising it, thanks to Zynga.

    5. Re:I feel by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google would've probably been better off buying Popcap, the games are quite good and a worthy show piece for HTML5 based gaming.

    6. Re:I feel by Surt · · Score: 3, Informative

      They became the dominant provider of social games, to the tune of being able to pay about a thousand salaries, and are close to becoming the largest gaming company in the world (I think they only have 2 ahead of them, and they are closing in fast).

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    7. Re:I feel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Important, no, ridiculous, yes.

      Why? Im baffled how people pay to play (paypal or what else) ridiculous games like Farmville and Mafia Wars. Unless you'r in some hospital bed with interactive web TV i see no value whatsoever on that company or those web games.

    8. Re:I feel by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      they waste loads of time and energy. satan is very much pleased with them.

    9. Re:I feel by jandrese · · Score: 1

      IIRC they're one of the largest game companies in the US. They're also made out of pure evil, which makes the google investment puzzling at best.

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    10. Re:I feel by Exitar · · Score: 1

      They want money, not quality!

    11. Re:I feel by vlm · · Score: 1

      to the tune of being able to pay about a thousand salaries

      Doing, what, exactly? Coming up with new seeds to plant, or knicknacks to buy?

      For a comparison, a thousand people running real farm equipment could easily feed about a quarter to a half million people, depending on what they decide to grow (profitable, productive, and low labor are not necessarily all the same)

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    12. Re:I feel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and possibly has the largest userbase of any gaming company around. (even bigger than activision and EA)

    13. Re:I feel by Surt · · Score: 1

      It's a good question. I suspect zynga is headed for implosion ... their market is wide open to competitors.

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  13. Google's Defense of Flash by shway · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This probably sheds some new light into Google's sudden defense of Flash blog post from June 29

    http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html

    Investing in a bunch of Flash games means they have to now start propping up the Flash platform instead of only touting the virtues of HTML5.

    1. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google never actually uses Flash except for where it's absolutely necessary. They don't write webpages in Flash; they embed it strictly for page components like video, webcam, or audio (GVoice). As such, Google has always been "propping up the Flash platform." And, simultaneously, Google works to bring about Flash's downfall. Google doesn't have the mainstream ability like Apple does to ideologically ban Flash altogether... Google's users would simply move to another service.

      If anything, this move makes me glad, because it means Google will likely be examining how Flash is used for web games. Perhaps, many years from now, Google will be able to use this experience to promote and develop a better games platform, and we will finally be able to eliminate the POS Adobe Flash once and for all.

    2. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by trapnest · · Score: 2, Informative

      This probably sheds some new light into Google's sudden defense of Flash blog post from June 29

      No, no it doesn't. Why do you people refuse to accept that HTML5 is simply not ready for primetime and get over it. No, it's got to be some secret plot from microapplegooglesoft.

    3. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      Google never actually uses Flash except for where it's absolutely necessary.

      And Bristol Palin never actually had sex except for that one time she got pregnant.

      Got news for you: even if it's embedded use only, it's still used. If Google really wanted to work towards the downfall of Flash, they would, by not using it. Flash has *never* been the only option available. Just the most convenient.

    4. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google really wanted to work towards the downfall of Flash, they would, by not using it.

      And Google would wave goodbye to its userbase. Flash IS the only option, because 99% have it. Java sits somewhere near 50% and is steadily decreasing. People won't install a new plugin for casual browsing... they will migrate elsewhere.

    5. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... Apple refuses to support Flash on its mobile devices. I think your Megacorp should have been Micro'dobegooglesoft.

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    6. Re:Google's Defense of Flash by trapnest · · Score: 1

      Point taken.

  14. HTML 5 by ruiner13 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps their intent is to help them port their games to HTML 5 and showcase it. I am not personally one who plays these types of games (ever), but they certainly have huge followings. Getting these to HTML 5, then saying "Gee, I suppose you need an HTML 5 browser. Oh, IE doesn't work? You don't say!" seems to be what I'd say is Google's motivation. With their rabid followers who need to keep their farms healthy and mad cow free (or whatever it is they do), they could really push a LOT of people to HTML 5 browsers like Chrome.

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    1. Re:HTML 5 by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Zygna has already ported FarmVille to be an iPhone/iPod app. I installed it to check the game out, but it still required a Facebook login so I deleted it.

    2. Re:HTML 5 by ruiner13 · · Score: 1

      If it is an app, then it likely runs on one of the Flash -> objective C conversion frameworks. Otherwise, they would just run it off of the Facebook site as usual.

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    3. Re:HTML 5 by selven · · Score: 1

      Google has been getting pro-Flash lately, with their recent blog post and the integration of Flash into Chrome. It looks like a strategy against iPhones and iPads more than anything else.

    4. Re:HTML 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pro-Flash would be praising the merits of Flash. All I've seen Google say is that the alternatives suck more. It's more like being pragmatic and accepting that everything can't be the way you'd like.

      Re: Chrome-Flash integration. This simply isn't true at all. All Chrome does is keep Flash up-to-date, or install if missing. Flash can still be disabled, and it uses the system-installed Flash libraries. 'Bundled' is a better term. Everyone already has Flash, so the net effect is a stable Flash base that is no longer lagged across multiple outdated versions.

    5. Re:HTML 5 by trapnest · · Score: 1

      ...still required a Facebook login so I deleted it.

      Yeah, where else would they get the info to sell to their marketing partners.

  15. Time to lose my Google account. by Sowelu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If my Google account starts showing up in random places like my Facebook used to (back when I still had a Facebook account), and if I ever see a single Farmville style friend request show in my email, I'm dropping my gmail/whatever account and not looking back.

    1. Re:Time to lose my Google account. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Google cares. Honestly.

      Money is the language of corporations, and Zynga / Bookface generate more per hour than you make in a year. They're not going to miss you. They're not going to miss the entirety of Slashdot. We are the informed minority, and our protest will be drowned out by the sound of 30m $0.99 digital livestock purchase, or a $0.59 pixel rake.

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    2. Re:Time to lose my Google account. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, all I can pray is that my Google Buzz doesn't get filled with Farmville and Mafia War crap.

  16. Zynga are evil by __aailob1448 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But Paypal is also evil.

    I feel the same about this that I felt about the Iraq war and Saddam Hussein.

    1. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is PayPal evil?

      Full disclosure, I'm a PayPal engineer.

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    2. Re:Zynga are evil by Surt · · Score: 0

      I don't know how it is now, but paypal had, for a long time, a 'screw you' policy with regards to fraud. That is, if you got defrauded in a paypal transaction, paypal would do nothing, pretty much the opposite of the experience you'll have if you're ever defrauded in a visa transaction.

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    3. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any transaction through PayPal gets fraud protection. My mother got caught in a phishing scheme. Her bank account and credit cards were all linked through PayPal. They contacted all the banks for her and got all the charges reversed.

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    4. Re:Zynga are evil by Surt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good for them if they've changed ... of course, the problem is that once you have a reputation ...

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    5. Re:Zynga are evil by trapnest · · Score: 1

      PayPal has locked the accounts of me and a few of my friends for bullshit reasons and refused to do anything about it. Together we've lost close to 5,000USD.

    6. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a friend who has worked in Fraud for years and years. I wouldn't call him evil or a dick. In fact, he's one of the better people I know. He went through training to become a Sheriff so he could help people even more, but PayPal ended up bringing him back to work for them.

      When people tell me their account was closed for "bullshit reasons", the most common cause for that is someone putting up a PayPal donation link, claiming their site is a non-profit/charity, and not getting off their ass to file paperwork with PayPal. In that case, PayPal is only upholding federal law because we're heavily regulated.

      In fact, I've seen two different stories on Slashdot about PayPal locking accounts of FOSS companies over that very reason. There isn't much we can about federal laws.

      However, if you think you've got a legitimate gripe, email me at enderandrew at gmail dot com and I'll talk to people at work.

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    7. Re:Zynga are evil by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      "Full disclosure, I'm a PayPal engineer."

      "My MOTHER got caught in a phishing scheme. Her bank account and credit cards were all linked through PayPal. They contacted all the banks for her and got all the charges reversed."

      Nice try. Next!

    8. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I don't appreciate being called a liar. I've used one handle online my entire life and hide basically nothing. I back up my words and don't try to hide behind any anonymity.

      Do you doubt that I work for PayPal, or that my mother fell for a phishing scheme? Both I'd be happy to prove to you.

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    9. Re:Zynga are evil by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      "I don't appreciate being called a liar."

      And I don't appreciate you saying I called you a liar. I didn't. I was merely suggesting your mother received special consideration because you work for the company--special consideration that the rest of us do not receive.

    10. Re:Zynga are evil by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      I have to admit you made my day with the link in your signature.

      Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed and the like all categorized under "Stalk Me"?

      Priceless.

    11. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've only been with PayPal for 8 months. She got caught in a phishing scheme years ago. I had no influence on the events. PayPal contacted the banks that handled her checking account and credit cards, and had all the charges reversed in 3 days.

      Their fraud policies are one Google search away.

      https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/securitycenter/buy/Protection-outside

      The OP suggested they are evil because they don't provide fraud protection. They do, and have for years. They also actively go after people for phishing scams.

      If there is something evil about the company I work for, I'd like to know. It would certainly influence my decision to continue working there or not. But so far, I haven't seen anything actually evil about the company.

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    12. Re:Zynga are evil by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      What would help things is if paypal decided to link up with a network of "real" banks and have accounts backed by a real banking account.

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    13. Re:Zynga are evil by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      Arbitrarily stealing users money with no recourse? you got a lot to learn

    14. Re:Zynga are evil by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      But yet, they do jack shit-all to protect sellers who happen to provide services or digital products. I got a chargeback from my payment processor (I use one solely to insulate me from the craptasticness of Paypal) and when I queried them on it they said "Paypal provided one option - accept the chargeback". And that was via Paypal dispute centre. No, Paypal can suck it. It's a terrible platform for selling anything.

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    15. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      PayPal did have a proper bank before way back in the day. It was the first online bank, called X.com I do believe. X.com is now used for developer tools.

      Banks are regulated differently. I know PayPal has looked at trying to either have a proper bank back end again, but hasn't yet. Banks aren't seen in a very positive light right now, which may be part of the decision Walmart also stopped their efforts at forming a bank.

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    16. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      So you didn't go through PayPal, and your payment processor didn't fight to protect you, so that is PayPal's fault?

      PayPal and eBay are linked at the hip. eBay makes their money off sellers, but if buyers aren't happy, then it is hard to sell anything.

      PayPal and eBay had tried to straddle a line of making sellers happy, and making buyers happy. They lean back and forth across that line.

      I can tell you this. We spend a fortune on customer service centers. We go nuts going over customer service metrics, and we're investing even more. It is a huge focus within the company, to try and keep everyone happy. I work in IT, don't talk to customers, and I see get emails about verbatim comments from our customers.

      We also ask third party companies to gather information and tell us how we're doing when it comes to customer service.

      I can also tell you that when there is a dispute, PayPal doesn't just simply tell sellers to fuck off. We have groups that just focus on dispute resolution.

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    17. Re:Zynga are evil by wylf · · Score: 1

      I feel the same about this that I felt about the Iraq war and Saddam Hussein.

      i'm sorry but to equate war, ethnic cleansing and the like with a sometimes shady payment gateway is naive at best, offensive at worst.

    18. Re:Zynga are evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, screw you. You made a baseless accusation that the company is evil. A thoughtful employee of the company asks you why and demonstrates that you are wrong Your answer is- "well it's out there now". Maybe the burden should be yours to form your own opinions instead of following biased crowds.

    19. Re:Zynga are evil by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      It was completely intentional. Hands off my dramatic license!

    20. Re:Zynga are evil by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

      They overcharge for transactions. Paypal's commission should be a flat 1% on all transactions. Not 3-4% + fixed charges.
      They have a horrid customer service with a "fuck you" attitude.
      They do not protect the sellers of services or electronic goods (redeemable coupons, product keys, etc.)

      But the engineers who work there are very competent people. I have no technical complaints so rest easy on that front.

      Pro-tip: Paypal doesn't care about you and you shouldn't care about them, much less defend them.

    21. Re:Zynga are evil by IANAAC · · Score: 1
      I use Paypal to accept payment for work I've done with agencies/entities located abroad. I've received approx. 1/3 - 1/2 of my yearly income through them for the last 3 years or so.

      I can truthfully say that I've never had any trouble with them as a way to collect payments.

      Actually, I've also used them to make payments for some purchases, but only through their credit card (I have a business credit card issued by them). I imagine I would have no trouble recovering money if there were a dispute though, as the card carries the Mastercard logo.

    22. Re:Zynga are evil by Surt · · Score: 0

      Wow, that was a crazy response, angry much?
      First, I didn't make the original accusation, I responded to the employees' counterclaim.

      Second, I actually had direct experience of paypal's fraud handling problems. And so I'll treat them as once burnt, twice shy. Personally, I'm through about a half shy, so another shy and a half to go before I'll use paypal again.

      Third, reputation is exactly the problem. Once something is out there, you really need to work hard to fix it. This is precisely why things like the BBB/Angie's list work. Reputation is important, and it is something you have to work hard to maintain.

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    23. Re:Zynga are evil by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      In 2003 I got ripped off by a seller fraudulently selling graphics cards. It was featured in the national news in the UK... Kid bought cars, went on holiday etc with the money he made. Didn't hide it all. Out of a £230 transaction, I had £2.24 returned to me by PayPal and they closed the call. Paypal's dispute resolution people told me that they considered the fact that I had any money returned as a successful outcome, and the case was closed. They'd do nothing more.

      Paypal may well have improved dramatically in the past 7 years, but there are many people who have been burned by scams like this through fraudulent eBay transactions, supposedly protected by Paypal's fraud protection which at the time meant precisely dick all. I've not used Paypal, or eBay, since. I'll never use them again. Much like a child learning why mommy said not to touch the iron, at least I'll only be burned once.

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    24. Re:Zynga are evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Assuming you're not trolling, the evilness of PayPal is pretty much legendary (just google for "paypal evil", "paypal steals" or "paypal sucks"): they are known to cancel/freeze accounts for strange/arguable reasons and they can (and have, in the past) basically "stolen" money (including, but not limited to, charity money).

      I'm not claiming they aren't any better now (I have no idea if they are), but the fact that you seem to ignore the existence of all past PayPal drama seems to indicate that either you're trolling or you just haven't been on the Internets for long.

    25. Re:Zynga are evil by k8to · · Score: 1

      Paypal seizes funds and then suggests for you to beg for them back.
      Many people have never received their funds back from paypal.

      Even if they are 'following regulations' or whatever, I don't care. I don't give my money to people who are thieves, or who have some piece of paper that says that they have to be thieves. It doesn't much matter to me WHY you can't be trusted with money. It's sufficient to know that you can't be trusted.

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    26. Re:Zynga are evil by adisakp · · Score: 1

      I had a fraudulent item shipped to me from China (the seller did not note his geographic location). I filed a complaint on paypal to get a refund. Paypal gave me a lot of hassle and would only refund the money if I returned the item to the seller. I returned the item with tracking info but they gave me a fake address in China and the package came back to the US. Since Paypal couldn't verify that the seller received the item back, they wouldn't give me a refund. I was out both my initial payment plus my return shipping to a fraudulent address in China and a lot of my time and hassle.

      Basically, Paypal completely sucks if anything goes wrong and it didn't seem like anyone there gave a rat's ass whether I had been ripped off by a foreign fraud.

    27. Re:Zynga are evil by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      So you didn't go through PayPal, and your payment processor didn't fight to protect you, so that is PayPal's fault?

      No. What I blame PayPal for is that the processor was not given the option to fight it. Their dispute resolution options were "Accept chargeback", and "Already refunded". The option to actually dispute it was not made available - the only thing they could do was refund and then charge me.

      So yes it's PayPal's fault.

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    28. Re:Zynga are evil by Surt · · Score: 1

      Metamods: this post was victim of an organized offtopic attack, with 3 offtopic mods coming within an hour, more than a day after all of the positive moderations.

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    29. Re:Zynga are evil by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Your payment processor said PayPal doesn't offer dispute resolution. We have a large team that does nothing but dispute resolution. So I know we offer it.

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      http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
    30. Re:Zynga are evil by trapnest · · Score: 1

      This was so long ago and all the documentation I'd need are so long gone it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. I personally only lost 250$, and I'm no longer in communication with the people who lost more. Thank you though. ...Despite all this, I still send hundreds of dollars though paypal every week for work stuff. :P There just isn't a better option.

    31. Re:Zynga are evil by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      And yet, PayPal doesn't offer dispute resolution to everyone. Sometimes, they decide to basically just tell you to refund the money.

      And good luck finding a phone number for this "giant customer service centre" you speak of. I can't find a single phone number for PayPal. Going through the web support site, only 10% of paths through it lead to a "email customer service" form from which you get a form response. Yeah, real good customer service.

      I can't say I've ever had a positive experience with PayPal.

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    32. Re:Zynga are evil by soppsa · · Score: 1

      Lol butt hurt ranting No offence, your shitty payment processor didn't fight hard enough for you. I have had several disputes via paypal, and everyone was answered quickly and fairly.

    33. Re:Zynga are evil by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      lol soppsa Go fuck yourself.

      Clearly you missed the part where PayPal inexplicably doesn't offer dispute resolution (short of "give back the money") under certain circumstances noone knows. You can't fight against "Do you want to give back the money, or give back the money?"

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  17. Missing from summary by tomhudson · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, Google games YOU!

    (remember to get those cookie-crunchers and alternate accounts set up ...)

    1. Re:Missing from summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So THATS why I get a weird feeling between my legs when I play Mafia Wars or FarmVill

    2. Re:Missing from summary by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      So THATS why I get a weird feeling between my legs when I play Mafia Wars or FarmVille

      That's just them pulling your private information from every source they can - they want your DNA. They say that they'll collect as much as they can in their privacy policy

      We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services, Zynga games and other users of Zynga, to supplement your profile.

      This is in addition to the info they can suck out of your profiles on other sites like facebook

      We may offer you the opportunity to submit other information about yourself (such as gender, age, occupation, hobbies, interests, zip code, etc.), or we may be able to collect that information from social networking systems on which you have used Zynga Games or SNS Apps

    3. Re:Missing from summary by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      Zynga is a scary place full of scary code

    4. Re:Missing from summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive the stupidity but could someone explain that in more detail? How do they harvest information about me from these other services? Is it based on some kind of info sharing agreement based on my name or email address? Does it somehow keylog as I type? Who else does this?

  18. Do no evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    using Google branding.

  19. Don't be evil by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Informative

    It would seem that "don't be evil" doesn't include not doing business with the likes of this asshole.

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    1. Re:Don't be evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Among my friends in the online games business here in SF Zynga is known as a completely unethical employer [techcrunch.com].

      According to what I hear this is par for the course at Zynga. Google is a bay area company - they must know what goes on at Zynga!

    2. Re:Don't be evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Among my friends in the online games business here in SF Zynga is known as a completely unethical employer.

      According to what I hear this is par for the course at Zynga. Google is a bay area company - they must know what goes on at Zynga!

  20. Just what we do not need, more Farmville by Tisha_AH · · Score: 3, Funny

    What a deal, the creators of Farmville and Mafia Wars, two games that would be a better fit for the early 90's.

    There are some funny YouTube videos on both of those games.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBDAcOEKuI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kNjC50BzB0&feature=channel

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    1. Re:Just what we do not need, more Farmville by Surt · · Score: 1

      Root canal!

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    2. Re:Just what we do not need, more Farmville by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As both user-time-spent and financial results prove, these "early 90's" games are as much wanted by the people as any A-list console or PC title.
      Already at the moment, people are paying more money for Zynga games than PC-gaming star child World of Warcraft (WoW 2009 revenues were ~$250M, Zynga had ~$270M in 2009 and looks like at ~$550M in this year); and they have far more active users than WoW.

      So in any practical aspect, they have a bigger impact on gaming industrythan any other game development studio in the world.

  21. Considered moving to paid for a while by improfane · · Score: 1

    Me to. Have considered this for a while. Never been comfortable with how much they know about us.

    Can anybody recommend a good paid email host?

    It's not going to be fun changing all my account's email addresses but could set up a redirection while still changing over. It's not as if I even use the Gmail interface, which is slow.

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    1. Re:Considered moving to paid for a while by paxswill · · Score: 1

      I have a mail server through my web host. I can set up webmail through Squirrelmail, or some other package I install on my server. POP/IMAP are also available.

    2. Re:Considered moving to paid for a while by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      When you do switch, pick an email address based on stability and longevity, don't just take what the next email host offers you. People often fail to recognise that these to are separable things.

      As an example, lots of people in Finland use iki.fi, a non-profit society that exists just to provide stable private email addresses for people living in Finland (they don't do hosting or anything it's just about the addresses). I assume this awesome invention has been made elsewhere as well... I purchased my own domain for the same purpose: At the moment I use gmail (as the standard version of Google Apps is free) but the important thing is that I know I can change providers whenever I want with no fuss.

  22. Is this actually about games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or just google acquiring one more source for data mining? (Rhetorical question.)

    Fuck zunga. Fuck failbook. Fuck google.

  23. An old adage comes to mind by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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    1. Re:An old adage comes to mind by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      Here's a different adage: you snooze, you lose. Anyway, Google IS the second mouse, it's just that most people don't remember the internet, where it wasn't an early bird. Okay. Not second. Maybe... fifth? It's a Big List.... hahaha. Seriously.

  24. Social Gaming? by BubbaDoom · · Score: 1

    Could someone explain to me how Farmville is social gaming at all? Tradewars and Geopolitics were real social games from the BBS days. Farmville is just a virus which tries to infect all your friends with its pixel crap.

    1. Re:Social Gaming? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Take this current Google Game. Is not very social, you don't interact with anyone else playing it, don't push anyone to measure how can play compared to you. Maybe Farmville could be seen more as viral gaming than social gaming, but still is just another way of being social.

  25. We can use some Google influence in gaming by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    since advent of cds and industrialization of gaming, games increasingly became brutal capitalism products, purely made to make the maximum profit over them without paying much attention to the gamers' desires. all games, gaming studios either have gone the way of becoming extremely bloated, little gameplay - max visuals, max gore/extremism range, or gone the way of maximum simplicity, minimum effort way. all are done to target the general populations most exploitable characteristics to just make the box sell. rest is not that important. and the studios who were doing real games have either had to go the same way, or got bought by conglomerates and made to choose the same way.

    thus some google influence may be good in this sector. we need more gameplay, more fun, entertainment in games.

  26. Ways to make Google Checkout relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is always looking for ways to make Google Checkout relevant.

    They could start by making it available to more than three countries.

  27. Obligatory by raguirre · · Score: 1

    BaZynga!

  28. Social Network Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the fact that if You install Zynga software in Facebook, you give away Your data and all of Your friends' data, it's quite plausible to say that Zynga has obtained 99.9% of Facebook user data. If Google gets that information via this deal, then 200-300million itself is cheap.

    The games are a bonus.

    IF they get the information, this is such a cheap deal.

  29. a most excellent question by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I don't play the games, why would I take offence?

    A most excellent question.

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  30. Microsoft Online-Games? by kentsin · · Score: 0

    Anyone still remember those online games Microsoft make available in earlier web-age?

  31. Games by helix2301 · · Score: 1

    I really don't like these games would rather play pogo more fun and the games make sense. Plus I can use my tokens anywhere instead of just at one game.

  32. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spyware, scams and harvesters? I thought you was talking about DoubleClick.

  33. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, if they can just make FarmVille stop sucking.

  34. FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's 'lose', not 'loose'. Otherwise, good post.

  35. How is it that nobody has mentioned? by drachenstern · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is it that nobody has mentioned that this is just the sort of thing to help launch Google Me? Google needs someone on their social network to bring people over, and as many people as like playing these social games, it won't be that hard to get people onto Google Me from using this.

    So between Zynga leaving Facebook but people loving the games and people being upset with Facebook, now's the perfect time for Google to make deals to get people onto their social network.

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  36. uh oh by Entropy997 · · Score: 1

    I think Google has royally fucked up this time. WTF were they thinking handing 200 mil to a bunch of shady developers like them? Idiots.

  37. Google customer service needs improvement by social-Integrate · · Score: 1

    For Google checkout and google games to be popular, google will have to do something about their customer service. With Paypal you can at least talk to a live person.

  38. Google doesn't own it, but it's played in G. Maps by RobPowell · · Score: 1