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Girl Seeks Help On Facebook During Assault

A 12-year-old girl who was being assaulted by her mother's ex-boyfriend used some quick thinking by sending a message on her iPod to a friend's Facebook account for help. The friend was able to contact the girl's mother who then contacted the police. 42-year-old Raymond Ernest Cesmat was arrested and charged with two counts of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. He is being held at the Dakota County Jail on $175,000 bail.

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  1. Why's this on Slashdot? by Evro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The girl was raped and the guy left the room. It's not like Facebook saved the girl from being raped. She contacted her friend and requested she contact her mother, then she escaped and called her mother herself from a payphone, then the guy was arrested. There's not much of a Facebook tie-in.

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    1. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by eln · · Score: 5, Informative

      Slashdot is just taking from the standard journalist's playbook: If you can tie a story to something that's currently very popular, especially Facebook or Twitter, you can get 10 times the page hits you would have normally gotten. If you can tie those things into a story that will generate lots of hits all on its own anyway, such as one dealing with sexual violence against children, your story might even go viral and you can just sit back and watch the ad revenue roll in.

    2. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The girl was raped and the guy left the room. It's not like Facebook saved the girl from being raped

      .38 special > Facebook as a rape prevention device......

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    3. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Children are not allowed to possess a firearm unless in the presence of an adult, and 12-year-old kids in general do not have the judgment necessary to carry one on their own.

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    4. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think a 12 year old who was about to be raped would probably find a reasonably good use for a firearm.

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    5. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by thijsh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because with an ordinary case the vulture-like journalists can't easily find out the address, pictures and favorite color of the little girl in question, not to do anything to remotely help or support but to get as much views as possible... The facebook part is just used to enlist crowds of geeks to track every little bit of information down... I guess they didn't know they could just scour facebook to find her profile by searching for a comment like: PLZ water my farm 4me, being raped IRL!!! BRB? :'-(

    6. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

      Another popular trick is to troll Apple fans.

      There's mention of an iPod. But I don't see anything for the Apple fans to bite...

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    7. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and how many extra gun deaths do you think letting 12 yo have guns would cause ?

      hint: http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

      (and that chart is only for INTENTIONAL deaths, you can add accidents to that, not that there are ver any accidents with guns...)

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    8. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by gwayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nonsense! I learned firearm safety around age 6 and have been using/carrying firearms on my own for over 30 years. Children who learn to hunt know very well the consequences using a firearm. I am not advocating that 12-year olds should carry weapons, but had she known how to use one, she certainly would have been justified in defending herself.

    9. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Its not slashdot, just a particular 3 editors slashdot has that I like to refer to as the 3 stooges. timothy, kdawson, and samzenpus.

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    10. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by nbauman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are quite a few "Armed American" stories that involve children picking up legally owned firearms to defend themselves and/or their families against violent assaults.

      And there are quite a few more stories that involve family members picking up legally owned firearms in a moment of anger to kill another family member, or in a moment of distress to commit suicide.

    11. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by AdamTrace · · Score: 4, Funny

      "PLZ water my farm 4me, being raped IRL!!! BRB? :'-("

      I'm so ashamed that I find this as funny as I do...

      *shame*

    12. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am not advocating that 12-year olds should carry weapons, but had she known how to use one, she certainly would have been justified in defending herself.

      This.

      I knew a kid growing up that picked up a target rifle when someone broke into his house and attempted to rape his mother. Thankfully he didn't have to shoot the scumbag (guess he lost his nerve when he was looking at the business end of a firearm) but there's no way that you can say his actions weren't justified.

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    13. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ages where a person can possess firearms varies from state to state and can depend on the type of firearm. In Nevada, North Dakota, and South Carolina, there is no age restriction on the possession of long guns. Why, oh why, do people mod baseless assertions like this so high?

      (I've also met twelve year olds who were more responsible than some people are at the age of majority.)

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    14. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Spare me the talking points Mayor Bloomberg.

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    15. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Children are not allowed to possess a firearm unless in the presence of an adult,

      Haven't you read the story? There was an adult right there!

    16. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by 5KVGhost · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, not really.

    17. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Informative

      The great bulk of underage gun deaths are either suicide or gangbangers. 12 year old girls are almost completely absent from that count, save as random victims. In addition, the number of accidental shootings (the stereotypical 'hey look, it's dad's gun' scenario) runs about 100/year. In the grand scheme of things, it's a nonfactor.

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    18. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The girl was raped and the guy left the room.
      A shame the guy isn't an award winning director living in France, the he could have Whoopi Goldberg explain why this wasn't, "Rape, rape."

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    19. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, the stories are out there. But, like yourself, most liberals, and even some moderates, discount all the accounts of self defense. "Oh, big deal, granny killed a rapist. Some moron killed his son last month!" Like - you're keeping score, and one accidental death negates 100 successful self defenses.

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    20. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Herkum01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More like 1 act of self-defense does not negate the 100 murder's, robberies and suicides.

      But don't let facts stop you now!

    21. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by sarhjinian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Arming everyone is a very American solution to the problem. Somehow, the whole rest of the western world manages to not only have less violent crime, but also less private gun ownership, much like the rest of the world manages to spend less on health care and get better quality of service, or spend less on education but score better.

      Perhaps the Open Carry folk could try and think a little bit harder and try to address the epidemic poverty, horrible education and nonsensical drug policy instead of pouring more gasoline on the fire?

      I'm reminded of the "cheese theory" of American socialism. In France, the government has significant regulations about how, where and under what label cheese can be made. As a result, French cheese is very good and not at all expensive. In the US, this kind of thing wouldn't fly, and the market would do better anyway, and socialism is teh evilz, but we do need something for the absolute poor, and thus we have Government Cheese, which is vile.

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    22. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they did not have a gun, then it would have been a knife. Dont even dare to try and make it sound like that the gun perpetuated the violence.. It was the unstable person that did it.

      Unstable wackjobs will do what ever it takes... Ohh look, a wine bottle, that will kill someone nicely.

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    23. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet liberals plug their ears and scream "I CANT HEAR YOU" when you present the solid and provenfact that gun laws DO NOT STOP gun violence as criminals, suprisingly, do not care what gun laws say... Criminals have no problems getting guns even in places like the UK.

      Gun laws simply disarm honest people. That is it. there is no other use.

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    24. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I lived in chicago for a long time... the best is to keep your money on a money clip and seperate from your wallet. when robbed, take out the money clip and drop it and walk away fast, their eyes will be on the cash not you.

      works great. Works best when it's a thick wad of 1's covered with a 20 dollar bill and a pocket full of change.. I drop it at their feet and yell "TAKE IT" as I walk away... they always grab the cash and run. Most of the time it's a crackhead looking for dope money.. so $30.00 in $1.00 bills and a 20 looks like a fortune to them. you are long gone by the time they realize you joe' jobbed them.

      works good for bums too... Asking for change, grab some out of the pocket and drop it, keep walking. They stop to grab the change.

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    25. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (the stereotypical 'hey look, it's dad's gun' scenario)

      If that can be reduced to a near zero factor through education. When you get the gun, don't hide it in a drawer. The kids WILL find it. Kids love to plunder and find stuff. Instead, let the kids know when you get the gun (if it's an "event" like that - in many gun-friendly households the kids are just born into it). Afterwards, take them out to the range shooting. Show them how to use it effectively, and safely. Tell them WHERE it's at in case they need it. Then, they're not going to run across it on accident, and they're not going to find the "magical" gun lying around there. They're going to know the location of a tool that's as interesting to them as a socket wrench or a drill.

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    26. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by nbauman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they did not have a gun, then it would have been a knife. Dont even dare to try and make it sound like that the gun perpetuated the violence.. It was the unstable person that did it.

      Unstable wackjobs will do what ever it takes... Ohh look, a wine bottle, that will kill someone nicely.

      Doctors who try to fix these victims up, and cops who investigate murders to prosecute them in court, say that's not true.

      It's a lot easier to kill somebody on impulse with a gun -- guns are designed to be easy to kill people. If you hit them with a wine bottle, you won't necessarily kill them, and they can defend themselves or run away. If you shoot them from close range, they're most likely to be dead.

      Take a fight. Somebody might get hurt. Add a gun. Somebody gets killed.

      I remember a cop describing a typical murder: because there was a gun handy, the guy shot his wife. If he didn't have a gun, he would have slugged her. The next day they would have made up, and gone on with their lives. Now he's lost his wife, going to prison for a long term, and two lives are ruined.

      If you can kill somebody with a wine bottle if you really want to, then why do you need a gun? Why don't you carry a wine bottle around for protection?

    27. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am not advocating that 12-year olds should carry weapons, but had she known how to use one, she certainly would have been justified in defending herself.

      I knew a kid growing up that picked up a target rifle when someone broke into his house and attempted to rape his mother.

      You know, I can't condone rape under any circumstance, but raping your mother while someone's breaking into the house just seems particularly unwise.

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    28. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't suppose this could have something to do with the fact that "Children are not allowed to possess a firearm unless in the presence of an adult" as the GGP put it?

      No, because the GGP is wrong. In my state (New York, hardly a bastion of gun rights) it's perfectly legal for 13+ year olds to plink in the backyard without adult supervision. It's perfectly legal for older kids (I want to say 15+ but I'd have to double check) to hunt without adult supervision.

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    29. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with your analysis seems to be a misuse of logic. You state your assumption (reducing the number of guns in circulation will lead to fewer crimes with guns) as if it is some kind of given truth. It's just like saying that criminalizing marijuana (for instance) will lead to reduced usage of marijuana. You will really need to do some work to back that claim up, beyond just looking it up in your gut.

      I am not a gun owner, nor do I plan to be one, and feel that if I end up needing a gun for self defense, probably I have done something wrong. But, I will never vote against gun rights because: the dude who is intent on committing a crime (nice example, granny getting raped by assailant with a gun) will do so with or without the gun. Furthermore, if a criminal needs a gun, there will always be a way to get one regardless of the legality.

      This of course is my opinion, but a casual survey of prohibitive laws in the modern world can provide a pretty quick sanity check on that opinion. There are a number of illegal things (most really) that I can acquire without much effort at all. Most of those things should probably not be illegal on the grounds that it costs more to have them illegal than it does to simply ignore them.

    30. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      different from a random bugler or rapist

      I, for one, live in fear of random buglers.

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    31. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are about 75,000 gun deaths a year

      Your number is nearly three times higher than reality but then the gun-grabbers never have let the facts get in the way of a bad argument. If you are wondering, they show 12,632 firearm homicides in 2007 along with 17,352 suicides. I'll let you perform the addition operation -- you'll note it's substantially less than 75,000.

      That outnumbers the cases of self-defense by about 10 to 1

      Where you'd pull the 7,500 cases of self-defense from? The same void that you pulled the number of deaths from?

      Notice the Supreme Court didn't give you a right to carry a gun in their courtroom.

      Of course they didn't. All they said was that outright gun bans aren't compatible with the 2nd amendment. Sorry if that notion bothers you.

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    32. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by sarhjinian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As opposed to the total freedom you enjoy in the US, provided you stick to free speech zones, don't mind having your phone lines wiretapped and/or be subject to laws written for the benefit of corporations, rather than people.

      Many of those "socialistic governments" actually manage to be more "free" than the US. Fascinating, isn't it, how the world doesn't fit into neat little ideological boxes.

      As for health care, you forgot the proviso "if you have money". As in, the American system is the best in the world if you have money. Rich Canadians can go to the US to get an MRI in a day; where to poor and middle-class Americans go? Canada?

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    33. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they did not have a gun, then it would have been a knife.

      That, IMO is a healthier way of going about self-defence. If you want to kill (or even maim) someone, standing at any distance with a gun is a comparatively uninvolved way of going about it. But if you're using a knife, you have to be serious about it, and be prepared for all that blood and mess. If you seriously want someone dead, a knife is at least a more "honest" way of going about it.

      I have never in my near-half-century lifetime held, let alone fired a gun, and I intend to keep it that way. However, that doesn't mean I have to be a shrinking violet when it comes to defending myself.

    34. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your argument is a slippery slope. Owning a gun does not inevitably mean that you’ll be tempted to use it to murder someone (much less actually use it to murder someone), nor does it inevitably mean that it’ll be used on you eventually.

      You could replace “guns” with butcher knives, baseball bats, crowbars, or just about any other weapon and your statement would be just as fallacious.

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    35. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Somehow, the whole rest of the western world manages to not only have less violent crime, but also less private gun ownership

      Crime and gun ownership do not correlate. Finland has a lot of guns and a low crime rate. Russia has next to no guns (in civilian hands) and a high crime rate.

      Perhaps the Open Carry folk could try and think a little bit harder and try to address the epidemic poverty, horrible education and nonsensical drug policy instead of pouring more gasoline on the fire?

      That's funny, you tacitly admit that guns don't cause crime yet continue to condemn them. Interesting.

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    36. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that 12-year old girls are generally underrepresented in gun ownership as well as in accidental gun deaths and that perhaps these could be related.

      Actually that's quite the stretch. 12 year old girls are generally underrepresented in automobile ownership yet they die almost every day in automobile crashes. Figure that one out.

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    37. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can at least somewhat fight someone who has a knife

      You don't know much about self-defense. I've had training in defending against attacks with both firearms and knives. Knives are the tougher proposition by far. You can disable a firearm by pushing it out of battery (automatic) or locking up the cylinder (revolver). You can render it impotent by grabbing onto it and pointing it away from you. Grabbing onto a knife is generally not advised.

      He certainly won't be able to go on a mass killing spree

      You've never heard of the Osaka school massacre have you?

      or kill me from a mile away

      You could probably count on one hand the number of people in the world that could kill you from a mile away with a small arm.

      it hardly stopped shootouts in the Wild West

      The "Wild West" is largely a myth that was created by Hollywood.

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    38. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then, they're not going to run across it on accident, and they're not going to find the "magical" gun lying around there.

      That to me is the most important thing, to demystify guns. They are tools, highly dangerous tools to be sure, but tools nonetheless. The first step is to demythologize them, or more to the point to de-Hollywoodize them.

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    39. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by alexo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And yet conservatives plug their ears and scream "I CANT HEAR YOU" when you present the solid and provenfact that gun laws STOP gun violence

      I assume you have some statistics to back your claims. Do you mind sharing them with us?

    40. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That guy you spoke of is free, because the us-gov could not or would not provide the swiss authorities, with the material they needed to verify or deverify a claim made by that guys defense. I don't know what whoever said in your television, but i do know that his(the guy you probably meant) is free again, because your government declares every shit as top secret and think they don't need to provide it to other country courts. Yeah they (your government) said so and because of that what they said must be true? Wrong it was a court and they needed to prove it! And i say the swiss court made the right decision to let him go.

    41. Re:Why's this on Slashdot? by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only difference is that the people with money and/or insurance don't generally have to file bankruptcy after getting sick.

      WRONG. A significant percentage of medical bankruptcies in this country are people that *have* health insurance.

      No, I'm not going to provide a citation or look it up for you. You should have been able to educate yourself about this by now, as it is *not* uncommon knowledge.

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  2. Mother... by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Cesmat, who has a sizable criminal history,"

    The girl's mother is an idiot.

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    1. Re:Mother... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some women have the worst taste in men. I had an aunt who would climb a tree to find the worst possible guy when she could have stood on the ground and dated a nice guy. She dated a string of guys literally coming right out of prison. Needless to say, she took a string of beatings, was stabbed a couple of times, her kids were beaten. The family finally just cut her off and told her that they weren't going to help her anymore until she started making smarter decisions. AFAIK, she never did (her kids cut off contact with her long ago too).

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    2. Re:Mother... by Kleiba · · Score: 4, Informative

      It gets better:

      "The mom was no longer dating Cesmat but he continued to live with them."

    3. Re:Mother... by srealm · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I agree, none of the criminal's prior offenses included either violent crimes or crimes of a sexual nature.

      His priors were for fraud and such. I'm not saying the mother was not an idiot, but it's not like she left her with a known pedophile or rapist.

    4. Re:Mother... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Funny

      there's the pedosmile - once you recognize it, you can't not see it.

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    5. Re:Mother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You said,

      No shit..not to mention the guy totally looks like a pedophile/rapist. Way to ignore all red flags...

      And then you said,

      It's called intuition. Some people have it more than others apparently...

      Nope. You're just too stupid to realize how stupid you are. You are the type of person who votes in bad politicians because of the suits they wear and the confidence in their voice, and who convicts innocent people of murder (if on a jury) because you see "evil in their eyes". People like you also let guilty people go free because they don't look evil.

      You also remind me of some people who said that Heinrich Himmler (the Nazi in charge of the Final Solution) has a pleasant, school teachers face. And of the victims who don't put up their guard when dealing with handsome and polite serial killers and wife beaters.

      You can judge people with your intuition, but I prefer to judge people based on my intelligence and logic skills. I don't need to know what you look like in order to judge you, I can tell merely by the type of arguments and reasoning you use.

      Martin Luther King once said,

      I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

      It's too bad that based on your "intuition" (what the rest of us call prejudice), so many people will be continue to be demonized, bullied, ostracized, under-employed, glass-ceiling-ed at work, and generally marginalized.

      In reality, it should be how people are on the inside that counts, not on the outside.

      Mr. Rogers said that looks don't matter:,

      It's not the things you wear,
      It's not the way you do your hair--
      But it's you I like.
      The way you are right now,
      The way down deep inside you--
      Not the things that hide you,
      Not your toys--
      They're just beside you.

      So you can live inside of your fantasy world where pedophiles and rapists are ugly, white, unemployed men who generally have goatees; and good people are handsome, suit wearing businessmen who are successful at sales. I'd rather live in reality.

    6. Re:Mother... by amohat · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's called making the rent.

      aka: i dont want to be homeless

    7. Re:Mother... by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can judge people with your intuition, but I prefer to judge people based on my intelligence and logic skills. I don't need to know what you look like in order to judge you, I can tell merely by the type of arguments and reasoning you use.

      Precisely why Lady Liberty is often shown wearing a blindfold.

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    8. Re:Mother... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, wookies need love too.

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  3. Good for something by maclizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This easily the best application that Facebook has ever been used for.

  4. Re:wait, this is slashdot by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rape by force is real.

  5. Re:"911" it isn't that hard to do. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    While that's a great thing to teach and learn, in this case the girl had no cell phone, but was able to ask for help on an iPod Touch.

  6. Re:"911" it isn't that hard to do. by ekgringo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know, I must be new here, but I read the article. He took away her cell phone before she went to bed (possibly making this a premeditated assualt), but she was able to use her iPod to post her plea for help on Facebook (presumably over a wifi connection).

  7. Re:How? by drc003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not even trying to get the point. I just want to make it clear that ketchup on eggs is for losers no matter your age or perceived amount of "hipness". These are the same people who would put Heinz 57 on a Filet or Porterhouse.

  8. Why is this on Idle? by djKing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 12-year-old girl, victim of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree. Hilarious.

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  9. Something that everyone seems to be ignoring: by Azuaron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The girl grabbed her iPod. Not her iPhone. Not her cellphone, the home phone, the anything-phone, her iPod. Her cellphone was taken away. So everyone who's going, "Why didn't she call 911?" or "This could have easily been a text message," it couldn't. iPod. Had that been me, I'd probably have searched frantically for a phone, even venturing outside my room, and ultimately running to the payphone. It shows incredible presence of mind for her to realize she could get a message out from her iPod (via Facebook, but it could easily have been email or pretty much any other internet communication).

    I think that puts it firmly in the realm of Slashdot, and the debate should be something more along the lines of, "Should police departments have Facebook/other social networking accounts for the purpose of getting crime reports similar to 911." Probably not (too much spam), but it's something to consider. Sometimes it's easier to get on the internet than to a phone.

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    1. Re:Something that everyone seems to be ignoring: by Azuaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      iPOD. Not a phone. NOT A PHONE. Pay attention.

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  10. Re:wait, this is slashdot by rfelsburg · · Score: 2

    In my mind pedophiles deserve lifetime prison sentences with no possibility of a parole. This guy deserves a couple decades in jail for sure, but it's really not pedophilia.

    Are you implying rape of a minor doesn't deserve life in prison without parole, or even rape in itself. In my book they are both equal, and very much deserve the same punishment.

  11. Re:Screw 911 - Update Status! by natehoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please, please, please read TFA. Especially before you accuse a girl of being stupid because she was raped and had no way of calling for help. It really makes you look stupid when you make up facts to support a viewpoint that accuses the victim of stupidity.

    First, she made the communication BEFORE being assaulted.

      - Cesmat had confiscated her cell phone earlier in the evening. She had no telephone. Hence no ability to make calls.

      - Cesmat had briefly left her room after attempting to remove her pants and her fighting him off. She had no way of knowing she was ABOUT to be raped (get the timeline right), so she used her only communications media to get a friend to have her mom come home and get her away from Cesmat ASAP. Little did she know he was about to re-enter the room and rape her.

      - After the rape, Cesmat left. She then blocked the room off and escaped through the window, found a payphone, and called her mother (who was enroute already).

    Could leaving the room immediately have prevented the rape? Maybe. Or maybe he was just outside the room at the time and her attempt at escape could have turned this deadly.

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  12. "Assault"? by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called "Rape"...

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  13. Been there done that by g33korama · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True Story: I remember back a decade and a half ago when my father was hot tempered and would get drunk that I had a friend on chat contact the police for me (this was back in the big AOL days) when he went crazy and started throwing shit around the house and breaking things. The internet can be a life saver.

  14. Re:At least it's a pro-internet story by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the story. The guy took the girl's phone beforehand. She used her iPod to send the message via Facebook becasue she had no other means of communication available.

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  15. Re:wait, this is slashdot by tibit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, I wasn't clear: I meant to imply pedophiles who act on their urges. Mere mental issue that somehow never gets a pedophile into abusing a child is not what I was after. I wonder how may of those are out there -- it's a genuine question. Do all pedophiles end up hurting a child? Are there any studies on that out there?

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  16. Suicide numbers are irrelevant and dishonest by Quila · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, but almost no guns. The US has less than half their suicide rate, with guns freely available.

    People who want to commit suicide will use whatever means handy. The availability of one method, guns, has no impact on that.

    1. Re:Suicide numbers are irrelevant and dishonest by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, but almost no guns. The US has less than half their suicide rate, with guns freely available.

      And, clearly, the availability of firearms is certainly the only social, political, cultural, or economic difference between those two countries.

      People who want to commit suicide will use whatever means handy. The availability of one method, guns, has no impact on that.

      Not having a gun handy very likely doesn't affect the number of suicide attempts, but it may reduce the number of successes. Not all methods of suicide are equally effective.

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  17. Come on, buddy by copponex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A drill or a socket wrench cannot kill you if you drop it, or if you think it's unloaded, or if you get angry with your pregnant stepmother and decide to kill her while she sleeps.

    Guns are designed to destroy life. They make it too easy to turn short term emotion into permanent tragedy. Throw in accidents, carelessness, sociopaths, and the primate violence found in all human societies, and there's no reason not to regulate it just like we regulate explosives or dangerous chemicals.

    Having said that, I am aware that it's far more dangerous to own a pool than it is to own a gun, if you're worried about kids dying. And driving is probably up there in a similar risk pool. But the reason that guns should be regulated is because they make it very easy to take someone else's life by choice as well as by accident.

  18. Re:Dumb mom by otopico · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate to feed AC trolls, but please prove proof of your "Every crime ever committed against children comes from the current or ex boyfriend of some mother." claim.

    I know you can't but I'm sick of the crap some people are willing to spit out. I would encourage you to also "use your freakin' brain" you moron.

  19. Re:Confusing convention with brilliance by kalirion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next time I'm assaulted and don't know how to get help, I'll try forcing lots of air through my tightened vocal chords. Who would think of that?

    Yes, keep doing that, and maybe some good samaritan will help you in the middle of the night. Hey, worked for Kitty Genovese, right?

    And for the record, the girl in TFA did scream.

  20. Re:wait, this is slashdot by schwit1 · · Score: 2

    Please, raping a 12-year old? The trauma inflicted is staggering.

    He should get a first class trial with a first class appeal and if found guilty on both cases he should get tossed into a wood chipper.

  21. Re:wait, this is slashdot by poptones · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, it's very easy to conduct such studies - because in an era when pedophile means "witch to be burned forever in hell or at the stake whichever we can get to first" people are completely willing to admit to being a pedophile...

    It's impossible to take such a measure, because our society has made it virtually impossible to discuss the issue in a rational manner. Imagine if someone WAS able to make such an assessment - "in an anonymous survey of one million self professed pedophiles such and such a percentage had actually been accused or convicted of crimes against children" and that percentage was anything less than 99% - imagine the reaction it would meet with in public forums. The author would probably be burned at the stake, at least professionally.

  22. The guy hanged himself today by ELCouz · · Score: 2, Informative