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Swedish Pirate Party Launches ISP
WillDraven writes "Torrentfreak is reporting that the Swedish Pirate Party has launched an ISP. Starting with 100 residents in a housing organization in the city of Lund, Pirate ISP hopes to gain 5% of the market in Lund before spreading to other markets. Headed by longtime Pirate Party member Gustav Nipe (video interview in English), the company aims to provide Internet service with the sort of guarantees one would expect from the Pirate Party. Most notable are the promises to keep no logs of subscriber activity and thus to provide no data to law enforcement or private corporations."
Please spread to other countries...
It's legal for a ISP to just don't log activities instead of refusing to handle the data ? ...
That The **AA's are just going to love this idea.
I suspect that they'll just set up bulk mailers to send DMCA notices to this ISP's abuse@ address, every time a new movie, album or anything is released a mail gets sent to abuse@pirateisp.com because no doubt a copy of said work is bound to exist somewhere on their network.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
Fuck yeah.
It's too bad that it takes "criminals" to create a network as it should exist.
... people start using it for child pornography transfer and other things that SHOULD be illegal.
This will last all of four seconds, until the government shuts them down for failure to provide access to logs and user information to law enforcement agencies.
And really, in this age of terrorism and child pornography is it even a good idea to have an anonymous isp? I think it's highly irresponsible. People need to be held accountable for their actions -online as well as offline.
...that a special ISP has to be launched to get the type of protections every ISP should have.
Now that political parties can own ISPs this paves the way for ISPs to cut out the middle man and start political parties.
Assuming it's not, why would any license holder need logs to prosecute? All they would need are billing records. I doubt anyone could successfully make an argument they are not pirating software/videos/etc while paying to use 'Pirate ISP'.
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This paves the way for government (through the dominant political parties) to own the ISPs.
This is a BAD THING, do you really want your login and user data being held on neo-conservative servers?
How much will it be per month? How much can I transfer per month? Is there a time when downloading is unlimited (such as weekends or between 10pm and 8am). Will they throttle the line during peak hours? What speed can I expect?
Logging my BT transfers is the least of my concerns when choosing an ISP.
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Would that be Pirate_Party.arg?
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That's going to be fun for the admins when the server falls over and they need to figure out why. /var/log is there for a reason.
-- I have a private email server in my basement.
Who is going to peer with them? They won't have Parliamentary Protection.
It's awesome until that happens, and then what'll happen next? Will it cease to be awesome?
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Those pirates have easy access to the seas, which means they have access to free sharks, and everyone knows that you need shark mounted lasers to deal with fiber optic cables, so they are getting free sharks while the rest of the ISP's have to buy them.
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Hey it worked for John Paul Jones.
The US was built on piracy.
Considering how many holes and exploits there are in present day software. I wouldn't get too comfortable with the word "impossible".
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Cool, reminds me of Ipredator. (Pirate Bay To Offer VPN For $7 a Month, Mar 27, 2009)
I'm sure nothing bad could ever happen from a group calling itself the "Pirate Party" taking money to provide internet services for the purpose of illegal activities.
Look past the "Pirate" and see the "Party". Should the Pirate Party get elected to a national legislature within the next decade or so, watch illegal activities become legal.
The stupid pirate party and the stupid Swedish government have just handed a huge propaganda victory to the RIAA. Within a week the entire swedish economy will have ground to a halt and terrorists will be overrunning sweden and building WMDs! Then the RIAA will say "We told you so! Look what happens when ordinary people are allowed freedom!"
They whose government reduces their essential liberties for temporary security, receive neither liberty nor security.
Let's make this a new meme, the similarity of 'Lund' and 'land' beg for it: ...hopes to gain 5% of the market in Lund...
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They don't need to get elected, they just need to get sufficient recognition. In a truly diverse parliament (read: not the US), a party with 10% has enough influence to make other parties take them seriously.
In fact, it has already happened in Finland: remember that story on how the government asked the PP's opinion on the change on the wifi law?
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http://www.integrity.st/ -- In Swedish, but what it is is a coalition of ISPs pretty much saying "We won't keep logs for longer than is necessary for our daily operations, and we won't go to more lengths than required by Swedish Law to keep and survey logs and traffic."
This PirateISP is, as is a curious trend among many "pirates", a commercial move -- nothing else. If you want your integrity protected, many of the major ISPs in Sweden will gladly boast that they're part of iNTeGriTY.
Back in my day, we had a handful of FTPs in my city serving SOME illegal content to a select few users who were deemed trustworthy enough to be given access. And that was it. No torrents, no rapidshare, barely any p2p. Today, everybody just HAS to have all the illegal content, right now. And if they don't they will take it up with the parliament or the president or whoever. Fucking entitlement brats.
Surely, they have a web page, don't they?
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Netflix Watch Instantly is not free software. Nor are most of your movies free cultural works, more than likely.
These guys are vikings -- pirates level 2...
...before we have to remind our worthless government of our revolutionary (distant) past.
I'm very glad to see this example of free market solutions to Internet freedom issues that don't put blind faith in government force.
But I doubt very much the NSA gives a HOOT about filesharing. They got other fish to fry.
On the whole that is the practical issue, law enforcement in most European countries has made it bloody clear that they have other priorities then go and bust file sharers. And now with police budgets being squeezed, their enthousiasm ain't on the increase. That is what happened in Germany, the authorities just point blank refusing to take action.
So unless the copyright mafia wants to pay for its own enforcement (and somehow I think that Germany will allow private militias, not after the last time) then all this is dead in the water. The NSA might know that you are downloading the latest Harry Potter, but they won't do a damn thing about it.
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Storage arrays come with their own wireless access points now. Just buy one, upgrade the antenna, point it at a neighbor's open wireless hub and you're good. Buy the neighbor an access hub if you have to. Then pass around fliers that say "neighborhood music and video backup pool, email suprsekrit@gmail for details". Configure the thing to grant access only to a list, and grant list access only to people known to be local to you (if nothing else by IP address), and you're done. Remember to remind people that the service is for backup of content they own only, and the fact that they can access other people's media backups is a convenience issue that will be corrected as soon as feasible. Ask neighbors to assist with backup quality assurance by viewing the files and reporting errors. Content owners would have to jump through a lot of unprofitable hoops to find it including being local to you (the biggie, generally not gonna happen), that it is you (technical challenge) and then prove you intended some ill purpose not stated (difficult in court at best). You can then backup to the pool all you want. Believe it: your neighbors have a lot to backup, so make the array a big one. If you're super-cautious, only allow access after you've met the people at community events where you serve a common but different cause (church? soup kitchen? UG?). To be caught then you'd have to be socializing with recording industry lawyers, and that seems unlikely. To make it completely impossible include only the people involved in activities unlikely to be frequented by a media lawyer (basically any social event that doesn't involve cocaine). To be truly bulletproof internet services in untenanted apartments can be achieved.
If you have to, or want to, you can use a similar system to aggregate your neighborhood bandwidth and offer free wireless internet to the less privileged (and incidentally the anonymous) as well as delivering immense bandwidth to participating link subscribers. This is the advanced class, and requires a network guru. I have 50mbps and am not using even a bare fraction so this isn't an issue for me, but with neighborhood aggregation I could meet 1gbps bandwidth without using fiber just by running some Cat6 along the fenceline and working out a deal with the neighbors. I live in an older area. Modern US real-estate developments are not purposefully designed to optimize fenceline network strategies, but their real estate optimization strategies are functionally equivalent to fenceline network optimization designs because minimizing street area to salable area ratio tends to yield fences that reach large numbers of homes. Bridging the gaps with fast wireless yields immense communities. In a modern development true 10Gbps aggregate internet bandwidth may be achievable, based on how oversubscribed the service is. With IPV6 it's possible to provide some services as well.
IANAL. Most specifically I'm not your lawyer. Your lawyer would probably tell you that if you lend your brother your Mettalica CD, there's probably a recording industry cause of action there somewhere. This post is for entertainment value only. No anchovies unless specifically requested.
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Uh, wouldn't it be more responsible to maintain limited logs, but only for a reasonable period of time, and with the stipulation that they'll only be surrendered when ordered by a court? We already have plenty of ISPs out there that just don't care about the conduct of their users (I'm looking at you, HiNet), and half their assigned IP ranges are in a blacklist somewhere. But I guess being deliberately irresponsible just to annoy the MPAA/RIAA is okay by Slashdot.
Seriously, the last thing the Internet needs is another abuse haven ISP.
Exactly. I would turn it around even:
"for the purpose of defending from illegal activity", namely privacy violations.
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The ISP would be the maintenance guys who keep the roads open and build new ones if they are needed.
Your PC would be the limo.
Your internet browser would be your driver.
Both owned by you. You don't rent them.
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Does The Swedish Pirate Party accept Bitcoins as payment?
Haven't you tried to tunnel your traffic over ssh instead of being worry about ISP's logs?
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