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Senate Confirms Elena Kagan's Appointment To SCOTUS
eldavojohn writes "As expected, by a vote of 63 to 37 Elena Kagan has been appointed as the 112th member of the Supreme Court of the United States. Kagan, only 50 years old, has no judicial experience. The Washington Post explains: 'Other justices have corporate law backgrounds or a long record of arguing before the court. Kagan worked briefly for a law firm and argued her first case before an appellate court 11 months ago. It happened to be before the Supreme Court, the first of six cases she argued as the nation's first female solicitor general.' Her fair use views and free speech views have made her a focus of Slashdot recently."
After all we have a president without any experience in governing or managing.
I found it hilarious how pissed people were that she gave textbook answers during her hearings while simultaneously complaining that she would judge based on her opinions.
Aren't textbook answers the opposite of opinions?
PS: An activist judge is a judge who makes a ruling that you disagree with.
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Well, it would help if we in the US didn't treat political parties as if they were sports teams. And if the dems weren't such pussies. And the gun control thing is patently false anyway.. I don't know a single democrat who wants to ban guns.
No history of scholarship, unless you count being a fucking law professor and dean of the Harvard law school. Or her published books and papers on legal issues. But why would we count that? We don't like her politics.
(Also, she clerked for Thurgood Marshall in the 80s, so it's not like she has no judicial experience of any kind. And it's not unheard of for SC members to jump into the job without being judges first.)
It's only recently that it became a major concern, largely because they use it as a proxy for competence to try and fend off ideological attacks. According to Media Matters, out of 111 Supreme Court Justices, 40 of them had no prior judicial experience. Hell, Rehnquist and Warren (relatively recent Chief Justices) had no prior judicial experience, and Rehnquist only died a couple years back. Personally, I'd be happy with a few more non-judges (ideally a couple non-lawyers) on the Court (not a majority, but two or three), just to provide a touch of humanity. Sometimes, the law isn't clear, and the Constitution almost never is, and having people who are inclined to sympathize with people rather than arcane precedents is a good thing. Yeah, it's not calling balls and strikes, but then, if you really believe any Supreme Court Justice is able to do that, you're delusional.
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Other justices have corporate law backgrounds...
That explains a lot.
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Or voting left, for that matter.
Just another proletarian malcontent.
So you've already forgotten their involvement with determining the outcome of the 2000 US presidential election?
spiffmastercow said "...I don't know a single democrat who wants to ban guns." So Daly in Chicago is not a Democrat?
It doesn't help that the other half of congress think party and skin color is what drives the others to oppose the president's agenda.
How many companies did Dubya manage into the ground? How did his super-duper governing skillz help him in his 8 years?
What did would-be President McCain govern? What did would-be President McCain manage to do besides crashing 3 planes before even getting to Vietnam?
Waiting for her to hear a few cases so we can see what she really thinks.
The problem is that nowadays presidents aim to nominate people with as little documentation of what they really think as they can get away with. Then we go through Senate confirmation hearings which are largely a chance for the membership of the Senate Judiciary Committee to play for the cameras while the potential justice avoids answering any questions.
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There were more nominees in the primaries that would have been better, not to mention many third-party candidates that would have been better than either.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Sorry, this story is "Stuff that Matters". You wanted this story.
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How many companies did Dubya manage into the ground? How did his super-duper governing skillz help him in his 8 years?
Dubya actually did pretty well by the Texas Rangers (the team, not the police force). Got the city to build a new stadium, and massively increased attandance and profits. He also did OK as governer of Texas (though arguable the Lt. Gove has more power there), and often compromised to get things done. I was really surprised by how he behaved as president.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The polarization of the confirmation process for Justices has made having either a substantial body of legal scholarship, substantive judicial experience, or substantive trial advocacy experience weaknesses in confirmation proceedings, since the processes is almost completely one of opponents of the nomination seeking choice tidbits -- often out of context -- that make good political soundbites to embarrass anyone who would vote to confirm.
This has been increasingly true over time, independently of which party is doing the appointing and which side is inclined to oppose the nomination, so the results in terms of who gets appointed are fairly predictable.
If you want better (by the standards suggested in the parent post) judicial nominees, you need to get better Senators first. And since the behavior of Senators is driven essentially by what works in producing reactions in the electorate to bring pressure to bear on other Senators, you need a better electorate to get that.
SCROTUS.
Sorry.
Both cops work for the same department. Both want the same thing out of you. Neither one is your friend. It's a negotiating tactic. Their boss wants something from you, so one of them is going to offer you a cup of coffee and a donut, then while he's out of the room getting it, the other one is going to bash your face in. When the friendly guy comes back with the coffee and the donut, he's going to apologize for his partner and explain to you that he has little control over his 'crazy' partner, and for everyone's sake, you'd better just play along.
Sure, one guy gives you some crappy coffee and a stale donut while the other guy gives you a chair to the face, but they are both working for the same rich asshole, trying to get the same thing from you: your cheap and silent obedience.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
But why would we count that? We don't like her politics.
Speaking as a libertarian, her position on the first amendment - just to name ONE particular policy position she espouses - ought to have been enough to disqualify her.
But ah yes, if the Republicans had actually stood up for the first amendment, they would have been called "anti-woman" or some other stupid shit from Kagan's supporters. Sigh...
No, I'm ignoring a one time aberration. Supreme Court deciding on the Presidential Election or months of chaos without a president, I think they did the right thing.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the republicans would have voted against health benefits for 911 rescue workers if Bush were still in office. The dems are cowardly little pussies, but the republicans are spiteful, self-centered assholes who sell out the country to make a quick buck for themselves.
He traded Sammy Sosa. Nuff said.
Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
Oh yeah, I'm sure the republicans would have voted against health benefits for 911 rescue workers if Bush were still in office.
Do you think the Democrats would have voted to confirm a SCOTUS nominee who had previously argued in favor of banning books if GWB had appointed her?
The vast majority of both major parties place duty to party ahead of duty to the Constitution. More's the pity.....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Maybe that's the cause of all the confusion -- politicians use a similar acronym for the Constitution of the United States -- COTUS -- and misread it as "COITUS" and think that they're *SUPPOSED* to be fucking it!
Dubya actually did pretty well by the Texas Rangers
I always thought Dubya missed his true calling. He should have been the Commissioner of MLB instead of a politician. Hey, he couldn't do worse than Selig......
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
That's a nice thought experiment you have there. Why didn't the Republicans stand up for the first amendment?
Also, why didn't they stand up for it during the Bush years?
Amazing how fast that one dropped out of the right wing lexicon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive
Seriously. This story is way off-topic and it's showing up here almost 24 hours after the fact.
Slashdot's article-selection system has been getting more and more stupid as time goes on.
We need a little constitutional reform.
So you admit you know nothing about politicians or the politics you pretend to discuss and yet hate republicans. I think that the parties themselves aren't the problem as much as you. And I do mean you personally.
She has almost no court experience, but she _did_ stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Don't kid yourself. It's the size of the regexp AND how you use it that counts.
36 Republicans and one Democrat tried to block Kagan's appointment. The Democrat is Ben Nelson (D-NE), who represents the (Omaha) insurance industry (which also is the Credit Default Swap industry) and routinely votes with Republicans, especially in filibusters that prevent a simple majority vote that would usually pass.
You can see each of the Republicans give their reasons for voting against Kagan's appointment to the Supreme Court, and judge for yourself whether those are either the real reasons, or good ones.
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More like highly-regarded medical scientist being made Surgeon General.
It's far better to have a procedurally unpracticed constitutional scholar for once than the sequence of long-time political hacks we got from the other side.
Didn't realize those were requirements.
Because the previous guy came without a functioning brain.
Karma to burn, karma to burn. Anyway that's easy, because neither the Pubs nor the Dems actually believe in free speech. They believe in Ford Speech, IE the right to say whatever you want as long as they agree with you. (For those that care I call it that because it's just like the saying about what color model-T you can get.)
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the republicans would have voted against health benefits for 911 rescue workers if Bush were still in office.
Do you think the Democrats would have voted to confirm a SCOTUS nominee who had previously argued in favor of banning books if GWB had appointed her?
The vast majority of both major parties place duty to party ahead of duty to the Constitution. More's the pity.....
That's a little disingenuous. The case was about corporations funding libelous material under the guise of a "concerned citizens" group. I'd argue that republicans are the only ones with party loyalty though.. The democrats are more interested in maintaining their own seats, rather than maintaining party power. When they finally have the power, they're too afraid to actually do anything because it might be used against them in a campaign. But they both suck donkey balls, for a certainty.
You and I can't afford to publish a 500-page book just to astroturf a statement of endorsement and advertise it well beyond the reasonable costs to promote such a book to its reasonable audience. We can afford to get our endorsement out to a few people on an open forum here.
That's not about "banning books". It's about banning the political fraud of hiding behind the 1st Amendment to use money to dominate speech. It's about making democracy, not plutocracy, the political system we live under. Which was the point of the Revolutionary War.
There are republicans who support gun control too - look up James Brady.
Got the city to build a new stadium
So he had practice ripping off the public to line his pockets.
George W. Bush appoints some woman with no judicial experience to the Supreme Court, and when people express concerns about her lack of qualifications, he goes out and finds a better qualified candidate.
Barrack Obama appoints some woman with no judicial experience to the Supreme Court, and when people express concerns about her lack of qualifications, he laughs in their faces and pushes her through confirmation anyway.
Well, he did say he was going to "change" things.
Dubya didn't win the election. Karl Rove did. Why anyone looks at the gibbering dry-drunk and thinks he was in charge of anything is a mystery.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Meaning that because a well regulated Militia is needed for the security, people must have the right to bear arms in order to form a Militia to secure a free state. Without the right to bear arms, it becomes impossible to create a Militia.
The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
James Madison
"[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens."
Alexander Hamilton
"[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine
"... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trail by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny."
James Monroe
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour."
George Washington
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson
If the right to bear arms meant as you thought it meant, why would the people who wrote the Constitution and served the country in its earliest days have this opinion which strongly suggests the right for every free man to keep and bear arms to defend the country from internal tyranny?
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
The great problem is attribution. Here you attribute the varied Democratice voting records to the monolithic voting records to Party Loyalty vs fear of loss of seat, as if those are the only explanations or reasons.
I would counter that the Republican party is more Demogogic and Authoritative and they see that if they stick together and vote together they will keep their seats, and also service their financiers and feather their nests politically and privately with that behavior.
On the other hand the Democrats are more of the people and listen to the diveristy of their constituent and try to serve the people that elected them (not the ones that paid to have them elected) (yes, yes there are some counter examples, but I posit that that is the exception and not the rule). That would explain the less than monolithic voting record of the Democrats. They are not doing things out of fear but listening to and reponding to their constituents, which I claim is what the process should be like, not this opposing everything, even health care for 911 responders.
Speaking of which, what if a 911 responder was an illegal allien. Don't we owe him a deep gratitude and at least health care for the sacrifice he/she made for us at ground Zero. What is this Republican bullshit where they block a vote because they don't want any illegal allien to get health coverage, even if they were a 911 responder.
I don't think the punishment fits the crime here, and exposes some deep seeded and ugly views held by the Republicans.
Let me get this straight, the party that openly advances homophobia, islamaphobia and racism to get votes somehow is more respectful of the President? Sorry, I can't buy that. Given the amount of focus they've put on his birthplace, alleged link to Islam, I find it very hard to believe that race doesn't figure in prominently into it.
Sorry, none of the things you have mentioned are part of the party platform.
Take racism for example. I'm sure Michael Steele will be shocked to find that the party he leads advances racism.
Don't I recall GWB holding hands with an Islamic Saudi Prince? (Islamaphobia, as with all things that start with Islam, should be capitalized)
Homophobia? I'm sure Dick Cheney hates all homo's. I'm sure his daughter does as well. I think the problem is that homosexuals demand the right to marry. See, marriage is a religious institution to most folk. It was around long before the US government. We see allowing gay marriage to be like the government forcing churches to allow Muslims and atheists to take communion. It's an insult to religion. However, as we understand that there are certain governmental benefits to marriage, we see their point. Most Republicans would be happy to allow all governmental benefits to gay couples joined in some sort of "civil union", but even that has been refused by the gay community. I have spoken to homosexuals who have openly stated that they want it to be called "marriage". Nothing less will do. (Personally, I believe government should not recognize any marriages at all and convert all current marriages to "civil unions".)
Care to try to place any other stereotypes on Republicans? Go ahead. All it really does is further support my claim that it's not Republicans with the bigotry problem. Unfortunately, it's people like you who are the bigots. See, by accusing all Republicans of being bigots, you are displaying bigotry yourself. You truly are what you claim to hate about those with whom you disagree. How's it feel to be a bigot?
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
George Washington on Political Parties - I agree..
"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume."
If by roughly half, you mean absolutely no power to stop any legislation in the House that the Democrats agree on (if anything fails in the House, it is strictly because the Democrats aren't all on board) and 40 out of 100 Senate seats, which isn't enough to prevent cloture.
The Democrats wield ALL of the power between Congress and the White House right now and the Republicans can't do a thing to stop them, only fellow Democrats that have trepidation about their leadership's goals. But keep blaming the Republicans because that's the narrative being pushed by the White House and their friends in the media, just like how the Republicans controlled Congress for 6 of 8 years during GWB's administration (they may have had a small majority in the House, nothing like what the Dems have now, but the Senate flip flopped back and forth, with Democrats controlling the first two years and the last two years, with a slim, non-filibuster proof Republican majority between).
As for the skin color remark, you're delusional. Maybe 10% of the population cares about his skin color whether they hate him or like him because of it (and you'll never be able to completely eliminate the tribalism involved, just see the way you're smearing Republicans because they have an R after their name). The vast majority of the right has a problem with his policies and has since before anyone ever heard of Barack Obama (Keynesian Economics for example).
And don't take any of the above on the assumption that I think Republicans have governed any better than the Democrats. Both parties suck, especially their leadership. My problem is the regurgitation of false narratives meant solely to smear people, attacking the messenger, because you don't like the message. Even worse, it's because you're dissatisfied with Obama's own party but would rather attack the other guys for his team's own failings.
Stop Koolaid Politics
No history of scholarship, unless you count being a fucking law professor and dean of the Harvard law school.
She has only four major articles in her career, was a law professor for a total of only 8 years, and "dean" is a political/administrative position, not a scholarly one.
But why would we count that? We don't like her politics.
I don't know her politics. Very few people seem to, which is one of the problems.
I don't know that we need a better electorate as we need a better election system. With a plurality voting system in general if you are not voting for one of the two major parties you vote is meaningless, so most people will vote against the person they dislike the most rather than actually voting for who they prefer (and it is much easier to get people to hate your opponent than it is to get people to actually like you).
If we had some sort of preferential voting system there would be more incentive for candidates to actually voice opinions to try to get approval rather than simply attacking their opponent. Unfortunately, the parties in power have a vested interest in keeping the voting system the way it is, and most Americans lack the knowledge of game theory needed to understand why the voting method should be changed, much less what it should be changed to.
-Nick
My name is Obi-Wan Kenobi. You killed my master. Prepare to die.
I wish people would stop this "Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard" = *No experience* nonsense.
The woman knows more about the constitution, how's it's been applied/ignored in the past, how the courts have dealt with it since the country was founded, and what's actually written in judicial opinions than most of the judges in the federal court system. One doesn't teach Constitutional Law at places like Chicago and Harvard without being at the top of the game. Hell, some of the students at these places come into classes knowing more constitutional law than most judges.
I know it's fashionable to write places like Harvard off as "the elitist left" and other such nonsense, but seriously, you don't teach there unless you are a major expert in the field. Saying she has no experience is just plain stupid.
I know it's crazy talk, but how about the repeal of the 17th Amendment, which made Senators directly elected by the people (and hence, prone to the partisanship winds of the day) rather than being representatives of the states (hence the term Statesmen)? These days, the Senate tends to be just as petty and partisan as the House, if not even moreso, and it's all because the Senators have to play up their act to get re-elected rather than being able to vote their conscience.
As an added bonus, it might just slow down the federal government's powergrab from the states (see things like speed limits or drinking age) since, you know, someone would actually be representing the states in the united STATES government.
Stop Koolaid Politics
I have spoken to homosexuals who have openly stated that they want it to be called "marriage". Nothing less will do.
They probably have the "Separate but equal" fiasco stuck in their mind where people who were supposed to be treated equally, were not.
Remember, You are unique...just like everyone else.
By my math, she's spent 4 years as a clerk, 14 years in academia, and 5 years in politics. I don't think that qualifies her as a "career administrator"
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Um, from a 2nd amendment standpoint, the need for militias is merely the justification for guaranteeing that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. One absolutely does not need to be part of a militia to have and exercise that right.
Anyway, the 2nd amendment is completely redundant, like the rest of the Bill of Rights. Nothing in the Constitution gives the government the authority to prohibit ownership or non-aggressive use of any kind of weapon in the first place. Given that they needed an amendment to ban alcohol, they would certainly need one to ban guns (or drugs or anything else not specifically mentioned among their enumerated powers).
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
You are claiming that the Democrats voted for "Health Care Reform" bacuse they are listening to their constituents? The same constituents that overwhelmingly opposed its passing, and now that it has passed overwhelmingly favor its repeal? Further you are claiming the Democrats passed a "Financial Reform Act" which strengthens the big banks and promises to bail them out if they screw up again because the Democrats aren't beholden to corporate interests?
I am confused how you can perceive that a group of people (the Democrats in Congress) who take actions that their constituents oppose and their largest campaign contributors favor are less responsive to corporate interests than they are to the interests of thier constituents. I suppose it is the same way that people perceive that the party that ended slavery in this country, championed passing a Civil Rights Act, and in other ways worked to eliminate racism in this country is more racist than the party that fought to extend slavery, founded the KKK, resegregated the Federal Government, passed Jim Crow laws and in many other ways worked to maintain blacks as second class citizens.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Good campaign speech. Bit low on facts, but hey I've learned to live with that long ago.
But what do you have to say about the fact that Elena Kagan was clearly in favor of banning books ? Furthermore she cooperated in a case that actually wanted to ban a book. "Somehow" that, the whole point in this thread, is missing in your point. Perhaps the book was astroturfing, yes, fully agreed. Perhaps there was money behind it, again, yes.
She's made it clear, on many occasions, that she intends to repeat her attempts to ban books with certain viewpoints.
I guess democrats, at the very least you, and ms. Kagan, just feel that the plebs cannot be trusted to form opinions, and should not be allowed to do so except under your -so graciously offered- guidance. The fact that people like you defend this by saying it somehow safeguards democracy is beyond ludicrous. But hey Hitler justified his nomination as dictator for life by that very same reason, as did Chavez, Kim Jong Il and Mugabe and I guess you've not quite sunk that low.
What's next ? Bread and Games ?
And quite frankly, we all know what happened if Bush would have whispered something to his friends about "not really" liking a book. Why the obvious double standard ? Isn't judging people differently because of ideological differences racist ? Are you a racist ?
If not, why such obvious ideological bias and ad-hominem attacks ?
There maybe faults with Kagan but "no judicial experience" is kind of disengenious. She has a pretty extensive record being a clerk for a couple of judges including for Marshall. She has an extensive record in academia including Harvard Law. She has some record being Solicitor General. Kagan appears to have spent a lot of time in and around the Supreme Court of the United States. While never being a judge at state or federal levels that isn't a requirement for the job where Kagan appears to be familiar with constituional law and qualified to comment on constitutional questions.
Harriet Miers on the other hand is by profession a personal attorney with a corporate law background and doesn't appear to have any more of a constitutional background than being an advisor to the President. Worse still being a direct council to Bush means there could and would be direct conflicts of interest and previliage in some instances.
There are legitamate complaints about Kagan but she is heads and shoulders above qualifications on constitional law, history, and even procedures than Miers.
Um, from a 2nd amendment standpoint, if you're not in a well regulated militia you have precisely zero right to be armed.
Time to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. The militia bit was an example, not a requirement. Here's an oversimplified modern re-write you should be able to understand:
"It's nice to have people around who know how to handle weapons, so don't take people's guns away."
I'm just gonna go ahead and quote you so the people filtering out by score will see this point. You are exactly correct.
The wording of the amendment implies that the presence of well regulated militias is a function of an armed citizenry. Seeing as how well regulated militias are better than non regulated militias (i.e. street gangs), we ought to make sure our law abiding citizens have a right to arm themselves.
That's not even a really conservative reading of the amendment. A really conservative reading of the amendment would be that it not only gives us the right to be armed, but requires us to maintain militias. Which until the Militia Act of 1903 (which created the national guard) was exactly how most people interpreted it.
Why is there so much poverty in a land so rich? Just 10% of the people own, control, and consume 70% of the nation’s wealth. The other 90% of the people producing most of that wealth survive on the remaining 30%. Who is confiscating your fair share?
Who is "confiscating" my "fair share"? I'm sorry, those guys can go fuck themselves raw with a hot curling iron. The breakdown of wealth isn't always ideal, but to cry that someone has more than you and that you want your "fair share" is fucking self-entitled bullshit. You want your "fair share"? EARN IT instead of crying that someone else is "confiscating" it. I've got no love for fat cats, but I've got even less love for class warfare crybabies.
I've seen little proof otherwise. Their blantly transparent appointment of Micheal Steele as party chairman to insulate themselves from all their members basically shouting the N-word was pathetic.
Hey, if you can get a video of that, you can make $100,000 for the United Negro College Fund. Should be easy, considering all the cameras there that video taped the whole thing. I find it strange that no one has taken Breitbart up on that challenge.
As to the claim you repeating, it was directed to TEA Party members, not the Republican party. At least get your baseless accusations correct.
In other words, PICTURES, OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Or, to modify the meme, Pictures, or you are lying!
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
Yea, not everyone has the money and machinery to saturate the market with books and pamphlets dominating free speech and under the guise of witty little titles like "Common Sense" so we need to enact laws in order to restrict this. We can't let this elitist plutocracy use their machines and wealth to spread these dangerous ideas in text that will drown out the voice of us God fearing and King loving common people. God save the King!
I would have voted against anyone that proposed the health care extortion^B plan we had shoved down our throats. Neither the dems or the reps are really fiscally responsible anymore.
We have a medicare/medicade program that is slated to go bankrupt by 2020, and a social security system slated for insolvency around 2030. How in the world do we expect ANOTHER huge spending plan on healthcare to work?
But don't take my word for it - here it is straight from wikipedia: "According to the 2008 report by the board of trustees for Medicare and Social Security, Medicare will spend more than it brings in from taxes this year (2008). The Medicare hospital insurance trust fund will become insolvent by 2019" Citations on the site
Nobody on either side of the isle has the b*lls to stand up to the coming government services collapse that'll be happening in our lifetimes. Welcome to the housing bubble come to the government bubble.
Yeah, what a great governor -- executing mentally retarded felons.
Um, those "mentally retarded felons" were tried, convicted and sentenced well before GWB was ever the governor. The criticism you are hurling at GWB could just as easily be directed to Ann Richards, the Democrat governor of Texas before GWB.
Strange that you only criticize GWB. Take the following for example:
President Clinton took time off from his 1992 campaign to be in Arkansas for the execution of killer Rickey Ray Rector. He was so brain damaged from a suicide attempt that he asked guards to set aside his piece of pecan pie so he could eat it after his execution, according to the New York Times.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
If the Supreme Court had not stepped in, the election would have been decided by Congress. Considering the makeup of the Congress in 2000, that means that Congress would have decided that George W. Bush was the next President.
Personally, I think the Supreme Court should have ruled that the Florida Supreme Court had no jurisdiction and that the matter of Florida's electors should have been decided by the Florida legislature (the Constitution rest all authority for deciding how a state's electors are chosen on the state legislatures). Or alternatively, they could have ruled that in one of several different ways that said that no Electoral College majority was determined so the election gets decided by Congress. In either of those cases the result would have been that George W. Bush ended up President.
The only possible way that Al Gore would have ended up President is if the recount was continued selectively in such a way as to guarantee that only Al Gore got additional votes. Several news organizations (most of which favored Al Gore), ran their own recount after the election and determined that George W. Bush won the Florida election.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I suppose it is the same way that people perceive that the party that ended slavery in this country, championed passing a Civil Rights Act, and in other ways worked to eliminate racism in this country is more racist than the party that fought to extend slavery, founded the KKK, resegregated the Federal Government, passed Jim Crow laws and in many other ways worked to maintain blacks as second class citizens.
How long are you going to ride those hundred year old coattails?
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
I would counter that the Republican party is more Demogogic and Authoritative and they see that if they stick together and vote together they will keep their seats, and also service their financiers and feather their nests politically and privately with that behavior.
You're an idiot. GWB faced continual "revolts" within his own party by "moderate" (aka turncoat) Senators like Jim Jeffords and Arlen Spectre. So much so that the Republican Congressional "majority" during Bush's 6 years never amounted for much, as the Democrats would always count on enough Republicans switching sides to maintain a filibuster on contentious issues even if there was popular support.
Contrast that with the Health Care vote, where there were 0 defections from the Democrat side of the Senate. 61 votes yes. Not a single vote no, not even from some of the supposedly conservative Blue Dog Democrats. Despite there being a solid majority against it. Despite most Senators not even having read the bill.
And you want to claim that Republicans are more Demogogic and Authoritative?
Of course a minority party is going to stick together more than a majority party, but the Democrats all fall into line like good little socialist ducks following their masters Pelosi, Reid, and Obama (and Marx and Engels and Lenin).
Got the city to build a new stadium
So he had practice ripping off the public to line his pockets.
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer that relied on federal subsidies. JFK's family not only made money from illicit activities, they maintained their fortune with sweet favors from the government.
I think cities that foot the bill for stadium owners are downright stupid, but it's not as if Bush was the only one to get that kind of deal. All of them do. And you make it sound like he's the only one that's ever profited from stupid government policies.
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Do you have references that these constituents "overwhelmingly favor its repeal"? I've heard this before on Fox news but have not seen any reliable statistics to back it up. On the other hand I did hear last year from several places that the majority of people favoured a public option. However, the health insurance companies obviously didn't want this and therefore many in Washington made sure it didn't happen.
The reason I bring this up is because a lot of people didn't like the bill in the beginning because it didn't include medicare expansion or a public option. But I believe many of those people would still not want it repealed.
How about the last 40 years? Oh wait, the parties essentially switched constituencies based on the abortion stance.
What makes you think the Senate would be any better without the 17th Amendment? Why do you think state-house politics are any better than the sort they deal with now?
I rather suspect it was enacted because people could see that the senators were beholden to state-house politics, rather than being concerned with the people.
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Wow, a lot of heated opinions here. Seriously though, you have to look at track records. The party that has a platform of less government and fiscal (and personal) responsibility has been at the helm of the largest government increases and spending excesses in history, as well as trying it's damnedest to legislate personal responsibility right out of existence (abortion decisions, porn, religion, etc), and the party that has the platform of larger government, more social nets and more social control has been the only one in decades to reduce the deficit, and believes that people should have more liberty (abortion decisions, gay marriage, etc).
Huh, maybe they should just swap names and get on with it. As far as I can tell, the party platform is only there to sucker the idiots...
No, both parties are spiteful, self-centered assholes who sell out the country to make a quick buck for themselves. Stop drinking the damned kool-aid already: almost no one makes it to Washington without being in it for themselves, and no one else.
"16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
Yes, but she admitted herself that the way the law was worded it could be used to ban books. She defended the law for it's good uses and simply said that it's ok that it could be used to ban books because "no one would ever use the law for that." It's similar to defending a law that made jaywalking a crime, and made it legal for the president to rape people because "no one would ever use the law for that." Yes, that is an extreme example, but I consider anything so blatantly unconstitutional to be extreme.
She might not have outright supported banning books, but she was fine with a law that could let it happen. The law is unconstitutional. Defending, voting for, or introducing a bill or law that you know full and well is unconstitutional while in a position of political authority should be criminal. If it's found that a law is too broad, or could be easily twisted to do bad things, fix it. If the same people keep trying to pass bad laws they need to be removed from power.
Both parties are guilty of these kinds of appointments. All they seem to care about is if the appointee is allied with their party and support a few of their pet causes. Who cares if they have a few other views that are insane, we'll just try to cover that up or accuse the other side of being petty because they're not happy the appointee isn't allied with their party.
Sorry about the ranting, but watch C-Span for any length of time and your eyes are opened to just how corrupt the whole system is and you start getting a little angry about things.
You are claiming that the Democrats voted for "Health Care Reform" bacuse they are listening to their constituents?
Correct
"The same constituents that overwhelmingly opposed its passing"
No, they don't. You have some people with the credibility of a 9/11 truthers make shit up and being propagated by republicans.
"..which strengthens the big banks "
no it does not.
"... promises to bail them out if they screw up "
that not what is says.
"who take actions that their constituents oppose "
they don't.
read the fucking bill. Let me know where it says any of that.
Look at the history of the parties. They are not the same thing the where 50 years ago. and again 50 years before that. They basically swap places over time. MY time is now, so I talk about the parties that exist NOW. It was started by ANTI-slave WHIGS and free soil democrats.
The Conservative/social moderate platform of the republican party of the old days is gone.
You need to stop letting fox feed your arrogance from ignorance. Because that posts makes you look like an idiot.
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Eight years of being a professor isn't enough for you? What does it take to make people like you happy? (And be honest about your complaints. First it was "no scholarship" and now eight years and her papers and books aren't enough. You're either covering for making up facts or you're moving the goal posts.)
Also, how is lack of obvious politics a problem in a judge? Lack of political activism* seems like exactly what you ideally want. The fact that you see it as a problem suggests that she has politics you don't like, but aren't willing to admit because then everyone would know what you are.
* She served under Clinton and Obama. I think you know her politics, don't you.
If we accept the idea that weapons can't be banned to protect the citizenry from government tyranny, so I assume you won't mind a couple of guys named Mahmoud and Ahmed having a nuclear bomb in New York City, right?
Well, if you can't allow normal citizens to have nuclear weapons, surely you wouldn't mind them having a chemical or biological weapon?
Well, maybe a chemical or biological weapon is too dangerous. So how about a simple conventional bomb, maybe the size of a rental truck?
Ok, no conventional bombs. How about some hand grenades? How about M-16's? How about sniper rifles?
The point is, you have to draw a line somewhere between ok and not ok. If we take the absolutist position that all weapons are fine, then we do run the risk of giving somebody the right to carry a nuke into Manhattan. If we take the absolutist position that all weapons are evil, then you wind up not being able to carry a 2" knife. Presumably, somewhere in between is reasonably ground.
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If a woman can marry a man but a man can't marry a man then they aren't being treated equally.
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The economy collapsed in 2008 on a far vaster scale than any economic damage caused by 9/11. Bush was still president.
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Man, you really only read Fox headlines, don't you?
Obama and Rezko?
You mean he bought some land from them? or the part where Rezko committed a crime and then donate a small portion to Obama?
It's like if I embezzled money from my company, gave a small portion to the EFF and then blaming the EFF.
there was nothing with Clinton and whitewater. as hard as they tried an all republican group found nothing wrong. THIS is why is suddenly became about the Lewinsky Affair.
"l Gore and Global Warming. "
He was correct.
All the thing you list are...nothing. Learn to fucking read and think for yourself. You've been manipulated you stupid goon. Jeez, you practically have Fox's hand up your ass moving your mouth.
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The major reason to be rid of the 17th amendment is prior to its instatement Congress couldn't coerce the states. Now many Federal power grabs are backed by indirect forcing of the states to pass laws. For example, congress has no power to mandate seat belts. But it wants all the states to have such a law on the book and passes a Federal law that removes the federal highway funds of any state that fails to enact a seat belt law.
There are numerous other examples of this. It is bald, naked, coercion, and it is wrong. Repeal the 17th amendment and Congress would lose this power because all the Senators would know that the moment they passed a law telling the state legislators what to do they'd lose their seat.
The whole point of the senate was to have half the power of the Congress subject to the State's approval. State legislators are themselves career politicians - watching what Congress does is their job and livelihood. It isn't ours. We could care less about what Congress does day to day and don't have time to keep tabs on them.
Ironically, since the 17th amendment the roles of the House and Senate have reversed. State legislatures have used gerrymandering to control the House. This control isn't perfect - it certainly hasn't prevented coercion, but it has allowed them to influence the House more than they can the Senate. Senate seats have become competitive in most states where House seats almost never are do to Gerrymandering.
Want to fix the mess? Repeal the 17th amendment. Remove the right of districting from states and place it in the hands of a computer algorithm. Divide states into districts of 10 or less reps and use STB ballots to elect them. Elect the president with Instant Run off ballots. These measures would demolish the power of the parties (they'd persist, but in a highly weakened state). It would be nice to see this solution take effect, but too many people in power would lose power if it was ever enacted so it's nothing more than a pipe dream.
Let's recast your argument:
"I am in favor of banning books because...."
You don't have to go any farther than that. There is no reason you can stick behind "because" that makes it OK. You might have 50 good reasons to want to ban speech you disagree with . They all fall short. There is not, nor can there ever be, a sufficient reason to ban speech. That's one of the core values of the United States of America. That's one of the fundamental underpinnings of our freedom. It is inviolate.
Especially in the realm of politics. Especially there. We've fought hard to expand freedom of speech into things like wearing a shirt made out of the flag, or watching pornography or strip clubs. But the real reason that freedom of speech was so important that they put it in the constitution is for political speech. That is absolutely the last kind of speech you should ever consider banning. And any restriction on political speech is absolutely incompatible with the first amendment. It doesn't matter if you think it is a really good ideal. Or even if it really is important. The Federal government has no power to regulate speech, even political speech, because of the first amendment.
The fact that you and many of your compatriots here don't agree with this is sad. The revolutionary war was not about making democracy, as you claim. It was about throwing off tyranny. To ensure that tyranny never returned, they enshrined their values in the Constitution. At the core of this instrument for resisting tyranny was the belief that all men have freedom of their thoughts, associations and religion. That is why they made this the cornerstone of the republic, placing freedom of speech above all others, at the top of the bill of rights.
So you agree that Obama has no experience.
Reread that post again. 90% of the people producing *most* of that wealth survive on the remaining 30%. Why wouldn't the people who produce most of the wealth benefit from it?
They are producing more that the wealthiest 10%. Argue what the definition of the terms are (i.e. what is considered "wealth" and what "own", "consume" and "control" mean). That would have meant something. Instead you jump on what sounds like a pet argument you like to have. Not everything about getting a fair share is entitlement.
I have spoken to homosexuals who have openly stated that they want it to be called "marriage". Nothing less will do. (Personally, I believe government should not recognize any marriages at all and convert all current marriages to "civil unions".)
I'm not opposed to getting government out of the marriage business altogether, but the reality is, there are thousands upon thousands of laws in America that key off the institution of marriage. The amount of law at every level of government that would have to be rewritten to make a civil union equal to a marriage is staggering and, frankly, not realistic.
So given that, yeah, nothing less than marriage will do can be a pretty pragmatic position.
The first recorded mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[41] These same sex marriages were solemnized with the same ceremonies and customs which were used for heterosexual marriages.[42] Cicero mentions the marriage (using the Latin verb for "to marry", i.e. nubere) of the son of Curio the Elder in a casual manner as if it was commonplace. Cicero states that the younger Curio was "united in a stable and permanent marriage" to Antonius.[43] Martial also mentions a number of gay marriages.[44] By Juvenal's time, gay marriages seem to have become commonplace as he mentions attending gay marriages as if there were "nothing special.".[45] These gay marriages continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans. This law prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed.[46][47] Note: This is also the approximate age of the written record, prior to this written language was far more abstract, and the fragments that remain are less well understood.
Also for a non western perspective: *In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[39] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[40]*
PS: As another poster pointed out there is significant evidence that gay marriage predates humanity. So the question boils down to "Does Marriage predate Religion" which is somewhat ambiguous and depends on your definition of religion and Marriage. The basic problem is religion predates the written record so while you can find evidence of gay unions 4000 years ago it's in a tomb http://www.pridedepot.com/?p=357
The Washington Post recently found different results (sorry, probably have to register). I'm sure you'll say they're biased, too, but the point remains that Rasmussen's results aren't the only ones we have available.
How about results at the ballot box? The people who cared enough to drag their asses down to the polling place oppose it by a nearly 3 to 1 margin.....
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Here you go. About 100 years since Republicans garnered the significant majority of black votes, and about 70 years since the Democrats began claiming that majority. Racially speaking, Republicans shot themselves in the foot with Goldwater and still haven't recovered. They're doing it again with the Arizona immigration issue.
You're certainly entitled to your own beliefs, but should probably ask yourself why most minorities vote for the "racist" party.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
You are marked insightful but you should be marked funny.
The so called "only one in decades to reduce the deficit" is a lie. They balanced a budget- not reduced the deficit- and that was with a republican controlled congress and some special tricks that would have fallen away anyways. These special tricks were the Roth IRA conversions which took taxes that should have been paid in the future and allowed them to be paid now instead in order to bank on the idea that taxes would be higher in the future. These special tricks are also the capitol gains tax cuts that virtually increased the value of holding to make selling of them more attractive which in turned caused tax revenue that wouldn't have otherwise been accounted for. You also have the Y2K situation in which people were tricked into replacing computers and software causing an economic spike that compounded the 2001 recession under the notion that your old computer would kick your wife, rape your dog, and set your house or business on fire because the two digit date would role back and nothing would know what it was doing.
Without all those things, the budget would not have been balanced which in itself is a misnomer. While the budget was supposedly balanced, federal outlays were actually more then receipts when you considered off budget expenditures. While it's true that this slowed the growth of the deficit, it did not reduce it in any way.
Contrast that with the Health Care vote, where there were 0 defections from the Democrat side of the Senate. 61 votes yes. Not a single vote no, not even from some of the supposedly conservative Blue Dog Democrats. Despite there being a solid majority against it. Despite most Senators not even having read the bill.
If there were perfect support in the Democratic party, we would've had that bill passed after a month. That sucker stretched on pretty much for more than a year because the entire caucus COULDN'T be brought on. They were trying to tempt over moderate Republican Olympia Snowe, but when she bailed, it came to the point that they had to get every Dem on board. So rather than throw their hands up and say that it couldn't be passed, they bargained, they gave things up, they compromised. And oddly enough, the moderate Dems were willing to discuss and compromise on it. Discussion and compromise are not necessarily signs of perfect authortarian Marxism.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.