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Gene Mutation Caused 2009 H1N1 Virus Spread

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers have found that a gene mutation was the reason behind the increased virulence of the 2009 H1N1 swine flu virus which resulted in a pandemic across the world. 'The H1N1 virus, Kawaoka explains, is really a combination of four different avian and swine flu viruses that have emerged over the past 90 years, and even includes genetic residue of the 1918 pandemic virus, an influenza that killed as many as 20 million people.' The University of Wisconsin-Madison's School of Veterinary Medicine researchers identified the relocation of a specific amino acid in the gene matrix that enabled the virus to hijack host cells, a feat that triggered the recent pandemic." The World Health Organization's director general said H1N1 is likely to lose its status as a pandemic very soon.

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  1. Not unexpected by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 0

    The "standard" flu virus is known to be different every year already. The reason why vaccines work is that it doesn't change too much. The 2009 H1N1 must have mutated at a whole other level to be that resistant.

    1. Re:Not unexpected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The 2009 H1N1 must have mutated at a whole other level to be that resistant.

      Must have? I find it surprising that so many people believe this was a random event when the first reported case of the
      2009 N1H1 was about 80 miles from a research complex for Gilead Sciences (the company that developed Tamiflu) and one of
      the researchers looking at 2009 N1H1 stated it was almost identical to a flu virus they'd been working on at the lab.

      Production of 400 million capsules at around $12 each is a very big incentive to release a virus.

    2. Re:Not unexpected by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      The 2009 H1N1 must have mutated at a whole other level to be that resistant.

      Must have? I find it surprising that so many people believe this was a random event when the first reported case of the
      2009 N1H1 was about 80 miles from a research complex for Gilead Sciences (the company that developed Tamiflu) and one of
      the researchers looking at 2009 N1H1 stated it was almost identical to a flu virus they'd been working on at the lab.

      Production of 400 million capsules at around $12 each is a very big incentive to release a virus.

      Citation required!

      (and please not from some whack job conspiracy site)

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    3. Re:Not unexpected by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      H1N1 influenza viruses have been out of circulation in the human population since about 1978, but have been circulating in the bird and swine populations. That's a lot of virus generations in which to acquire modifications.

    4. Re:Not unexpected by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      This may be a virulent virus, but to assume you could cause a pandemic with a release into humans at a single site seems a bit silly. It's more likely that the researcher was studying avian or swine H1N1 from local animals, in which case it would have been virtually identical. BTW, "working on" does not mean "genetically modifying."

      Given the distribution of humans and pigs, I wonder what the chances of the first human case in someone who is within range of medical doctors capable of identifying a virus and is also within 80 miles of a pharmaceutical research lab. They are probably pretty good, since most of the world's population probably lives within 80 miles of a pharmaceutical research lab and you probably need to send the specimen to a pharmaceutical research lab or a research hospital in order for the virus to be identified.

      But the conspiracy idea is far more fun and frightening, so carry on.

  2. Still here? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 0

    The World Health Organization's director general said H1N1 is likely to lose its status as a pandemic very soon.

    It's not gone yet?

    1. Re:Still here? by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 1

      News to me too.. I'd completely forgotten about it..

    2. Re:Still here? by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was thinking the same thing.

      I didn't get either vaccine last year (that is, neither H1N1 nor the regular one), and I haven't caught either flu. Basic sanitary practices like washing my hands when I use the bathroom and refusing to share drinks seem to work in today's world.

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    3. Re:Still here? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Well no, not even the bubonic plague is technically gone - but its definately not in the pandemic situation anymore. And H1N1 never should have made it to pandemic - it was less lethal than the common flu and only garnered such attention because it was new and we didn't know how profound it was going to be.

      With that whole scare tactic, they were capable of getting millions of people to buy into this vaccine for a disease that hadn't fully been researched. I, nor anyone in my office or family went and got the vaccine that was paid for by our Canadian Health Care. However, certain Canadians were asking if they could recieve their vaccination needle to sell in the states - after all they are paying for the vaccination in taxes - should they get to decide how to use it?

      Anyways, only 1 person I know (and I know quite a few people) ever got swine flu, my cousin out in Vancouver, and she is alive and well and only had like 1 week of symptoms. Its about as "here" as it ever was before.

      Now, whether thats because a lot of people got vaccinated, or because it was never a big issue to begin with, all depends on how much tinfoil you are wearing on your head.

    4. Re:Still here? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Anyways, only 1 person I know (and I know quite a few people) ever got swine flu, my cousin out in Vancouver, and she is alive and well and only had like 1 week of symptoms.

      Only one person I know (and I know quite a few people) ever got swine flu too. A cousin of a friend of mine, and he died. He was in otherwise good condition medically. They say it hit young adults hard though...

    5. Re:Still here? by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's also possible that a number of people around you were vaccinated, which would have decreased your risk of exposure. Just a thought.

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    6. Re:Still here? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

      No kidding! Far fewer people died of H1N1 than died of conventional yearly flu - by several orders of magnitude.

        I was very surprised at how many people *do* die of conventional flu every year.

           

    7. Re:Still here? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was thinking the same thing.

      I didn't get either vaccine last year (that is, neither H1N1 nor the regular one), and I haven't caught either flu. Basic sanitary practices like washing my hands when I use the bathroom and refusing to share drinks seem to work in today's world.

      Well I got both vaccines and I didn't catch either one, so they must've worked.

      Thing is, I have as much proof I was exposed and protected by the vaccines as you have that you were exposed and protected by washing your hands. Which is to say, none. Preventative measures are invisible if they work and invisible if they're never tested, which makes anecdotes even less useful than normal.

      But I gotta say... washing hands just after using the bathroom? Maybe if you work from home, but I'd at least add before meals or even snacking to that list. (Edges away from semi-public keyboard used for work.)

    8. Re:Still here? by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That tactic will not work for a large portion of the population. The existence of our school system means that airborne diseases will pass through large portions of the population. Particularly in winter months, you are taking virtually all of the minor population and packing them into tight quarters for long periods of time. That is without even factoring in the fact that school kids are unlikely to take the basic sanitary practices that you do. Sometimes they are not even allowed to.

      So, your tactic might work for you, and if it does, I say keep it up, but unless you are prepared to take some drastic measures like shutting down the public school system, it won't work for most people. I don't get flue vaccines either. Mostly because at places I have worked, I have noticed a trend that the more people getting flue shots, the higher the rate of people with the flue. That and since I both telecommute and home school, it is really easy for me and my family to avoid people that are really sick.

    9. Re:Still here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you by any chance selling tiger-repellent rocks?

    10. Re:Still here? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It never was a pandemic. When there's a significant mortality rate, then it can be called a pandemic. Just getting the flu and feeling miserable doesn't count.

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    11. Re:Still here? by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      The largest risk factor for seasonal flu (and probably H1N1) is exposure to unvaccinated children under the age of 7. If you don't have kids and you're colleagues are smart enough to stay home when they are sick, your risk of getting it is pretty small even without a vaccination.

      If you were alive before 1978 and had previous exposure to H1N1 or had the 1970s "swine flu" vaccine, you probably had some immunity. Depending upon the strength of the immunity you might not have developed the disease or developed a case so mild that it was indistinguishable from a mild cold.

    12. Re:Still here? by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      It's not gone yet?

      Influenza is seasonal. It's currently flu season in the southern hemisphere. You probably live in the northern hemisphere.

    13. Re:Still here? by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      it was less lethal than the common flu

      Only if you were over the age of 32 (i.e. you had experienced H1N1 before 1978). This thing killed a few thousand kids in the US. It's hard to figure out how many cases there would have been without the vaccination program, but the vaccinations probably prevented a few thousand deaths, prevented 30,000 serious but non-fatal complication, and about $30 billion in sick days.

      And H1N1 never should have made it to pandemic

      Pandemic relates primarily to the geographic area the flu is found in, the rate of spread in those areas and to new areas. I'm not sure whether it kills old people is on the list of criteria.

    14. Re:Still here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you were over the age of 32 (i.e. you had experienced H1N1 before 1978). This thing killed a few thousand kids in the US.

      Exaggerate much? The CDC reported a total of 276 pediatric deaths due to H1N1 during last years flu season. If you include the tail end of the season before that, the number is closer to 600.

      In my local school districts, representing tens of thousands of children, the infection rate was close to 25% at its peak. Not a single serious complication in the bunch. H1N1 was a virulent beasty, but it was significantly less lethal.

      It's hard to figure out how many cases there would have been without the vaccination program, but the vaccinations probably prevented a few thousand deaths, prevented 30,000 serious but non-fatal complication, and about $30 billion in sick days.

      No, it is pretty easy. The outbreak peaked and waned BEFORE vaccination was available to most and absolutely before those that were vaccinated were able to develop resistance (some 4 to 6 weeks after vaccination). In other words, the vaccination program was a complete boondoggle.

      Go look at Google Flu Trends. Unless you were really "lucky", you were not able to get a vaccination for H1N1 until mid-October. This means resistance didn't develop until mid-November to early-December. By that point, the outbreak was completely over.

    15. Re:Still here? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's a media hype bullshit machine, which overrules Pandemic. Look at the spread statistics. Hell, look at the death rate: almost nobody. This is where people pop up and go, "But wait! 30,000 people died! You call that nobody?!" Yes, 10 months in it finally made its 30,000th confirmed fatality; meanwhile the regular old flu had passed that 2 months into its own spread, and without 90%+ of its fatalities being wholly because idiots went to the emergency room with it (and subsequently got other respiratory illnesses). Seems that H1N1 "Swine Flu" doesn't kill you so easily, whereas H1N1 "Brisbane" can kill you without waiting for a Pneumonia infection.

    16. Re:Still here? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I got the flu and had a throat cold for 2 days, in which I felt like shit; then on the third day I vegetated. Seriously, passed out, woke up for 5 minutes to desperately seek water and a sugar cube (my body was screaming that it needed raw energy, I was too weak to eat), passed back out. This happened a dozen times in one day.

      The next day I still felt like shit. Managed to eat. Around 11am I took a shower. At noon, I felt like I'd got hit by a truck. You know, the truck isn't still hitting you, but you're pretty banged up after the fact.

      That's the flu? Annoyance. I took 2 days off work to masturbate to porn and make sure there was no risk of infecting my coworkers.

    17. Re:Still here? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I got the flu and it was awesome. First time I'd been sick in... well.. I'm 25, I was 24, so IN MY LIFE. Nothing's ever laid me in bed for serious before. NOTHING. I was out for almost 24 hours!

    18. Re:Still here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as a special tiger repelling rock. Any rock can repel a tiger (at least if you were a pitcher in high school like me). Aim for the nose and eyes, and mostly throw curveballs. The tigers will never know what hit 'em, unless they read Slashdot.

    19. Re:Still here? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ", it won't work for most people"

      Also could of said:

      ", it will kill thousands of people."

      " I have noticed a trend that the more people getting flue shots, the higher the rate of people with the flue. "
      I guarantee you thats confirmation bias.
      Not getting vaccinated make you a danger to others. Stop being stupid. And yes, I literally mean you are being stupid, as in behaving as if you are an uneducated simpleton. Stop it.

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    20. Re:Still here? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ah arrogance from ignorance. Nice example. Here are sever definitions, note death and severity isn't a factor.

      "Pandemic: An epidemic (a sudden outbreak) that becomes very widespread and affects a whole region, a continent, or the world."

      Dictionary.com

      " occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population "

      "What is an influenza pandemic?

      A disease epidemic occurs when there are more cases of that disease than normal. A pandemic is a worldwide epidemic of a disease. An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity. With the increase in global transport, as well as urbanization and overcrowded conditions in some areas, epidemics due to a new influenza virus are likely to take hold around the world, and become a pandemic faster than before. WHO has defined the phases of a pandemic to provide a global framework to aid countries in pandemic preparedness and response planning. Pandemics can be either mild or severe in the illness and death they cause, and the severity of a pandemic can change over the course of that pandemic."

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    21. Re:Still here? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The question of vaccinations is not an open and shut case. The chicken pox vaccine is a perfect example of where it can actually INCREASE the danger to recipient. Claiming that vaccines are inherently good is about as logical as claiming that they are always bad.

  3. I thought it was unjustified media fearmongering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoops.

  4. How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Spazntwich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, can I get a single nucleotide polymorphism that enables limb regeneration?

    No, I get a weird catecholamine oxidizer that makes me more likely to kill people.

    1. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      It's because you require more minerals to build that spawning pool and evolution chamber. Just wait till you start using vespene gas, THEN you'll be frustrated with managing your mutations.

    2. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      nucleotide beggars can't be polypeptide choosers

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    3. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by thms · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, but you do get mutations! In fact, mutations which allow you to defeat H1N1! And not just a single replaced amino acid, no, lots more! Now how does that silly virus look?

      When an immune systems B-cell find something it doesn't like, such as a virus, it goes into a feedback loop, mutates itself so that some copies will dislike said virus even more. In the end you have an immune system against which this virus doesn't stand a chance even though it was a completely unknown pathogen hours earlier. And this response will remain intact for years! (see: vaccination) This is called somatic hypermutation. On the downside, somatic means it won't make it into your germ line so your children will have to mutate all on their own again (though IIRC some of the mothers immune system cells make it into the child to help out a bit).

    4. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What mutation causes the so called medical authorities to blow the whole damn thing out of proportion, Alert the media , get them to shovel this Bullshit, then allow the hyped story to die slowly and quietly and never have even one medical official Jailed /fined or even fired ?

      What Mutation causes this ?

    5. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Spazntwich · · Score: 1

      That is awesome, and you are awesome for posting it.

    6. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Mutation causes this ?

      The same one that caused you to post that crap.

    7. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Yous gotta fuck more and generate more offsprings, and encourage them to do the same ASAP. And don't be too picky about appearance, species, etc. Rinse and repeat.

      What, you think them viruses got those mutations by sitting on their ass all day posting at slashdot?

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    8. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Hey, can I get a single nucleotide polymorphism that enables limb regeneration?

      Sure, if you feel okay with the idea of being a single damaged cell away from rapid uncontrollable tissue growth... :P

    9. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you feel okay with the idea of being a single damaged cell away from rapid uncontrollable tissue growth... :P

      You mean like the Hulk right? That would be awesome.

    10. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by Spazntwich · · Score: 1

      I suppose America already has enough of that.

    11. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Species??

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    12. Re:How come viruses get all the cool mutations? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's a cross-breeding thing from Scottland. It's called "Sheep."

  5. ...and? by nataflux · · Score: 0

    Of course it was caused by a mutation, do we really need an article for this? A virus that is allowed to remain in its host populace long enough will in fact mutate, and even to harmful levels. Although I wouldn't consider this a "successful" virus in the sense that it can kill its host.

    1. Re:...and? by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Viruses usually search and destroy. A successful virus basically means it can reproduce and spread. Something that infects a host but doesn't kill it would be more like a parasite.

    2. Re:...and? by Skidborg · · Score: 1

      It's the physical structure and method of breeding that makes it a virus or a parasite. The common cold is a virus and it definitely doesn't kill in most cases.

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    3. Re:...and? by Nos. · · Score: 0

      yes, because our immune systems are able to adapt and kill the virus and prevent it from spreading. Left unchecked, I believe most viruses would kill. Hence the danger of such things for people with suppressed immune systems.

    4. Re:...and? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      The difference between a virus and a parasite is that a virus attaches itself to a cell and alters the cell so that the cell produces more viruses. Parasites are living organisms in their own right and reproduce in various ways on their own. The difference has nothing to do with whether the disease kills.

      In fact, viruses that kill rapidly don't stay around in the population for very long because dead people don't generally walk around and pass the disease to other people. Pathogenicity beyond a certain point is counterproductive. Thus, although most viruses would kill in the absence of an immune system. They also wouldn't spread very far, and the ones that survived would presumably be weakened strains that were not as virulent. Thus, in the long term, you'd probably end up with a similar case fatality rate as you have with viruses now.

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    5. Re:...and? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I've got to say, these viruses are cunning little fuckers aren't they?

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  6. Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the WHO report from August 6th the number of confirmed deaths was less than 20,000 (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2010_08_06/en/index.html).

    I don't know about anyone else, but I think the term "pandemic" is a bit overhyped. Strictly speaking it only means a wide-spread concern or issue. But with the way the media bantered it about you would have thought people were dying by the hundreds or thousands on a moment to moment basis from H1N1 infections. But alas, the actual fatality rate didn't even beat a normal flu season for the USA alone, which averages 20,000 deaths from flu in a given year. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hsc-scen-3_flu-pandemic-deaths.htm)

    The H1N1 mess was a media hyped bunch of garbage.

    1. Re:Pandemic? by Skidborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As was Mad Cow, Hoof and Mouth, Y2K, Terrorists, Avian Flu, and a half dozen other incidents in the past couple decades.

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    2. Re:Pandemic? by swanzilla · · Score: 1

      As was Mad Cow, Hoof and Mouth, Y2K, Terrorists, Avian Flu, and a half dozen other incidents in the past couple decades.

      Y2K didn't pan out? Sonofabitch...I guess I can leave my bomb shelter.

    3. Re:Pandemic? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's disingenuous to compare normal flu fatalities to the H1N1 fatality figures from last year. Especially since H1N1 was in addition to our normal flu fatalities.

      All that media hype *did* have an effect... more people were vaccinated, more people stayed home when sick, more schools were closed during local outbreaks, etc.

      Yes, I agree it was over-hyped. Mostly because the media corps knew that it wold sell copy and sell ads.

      But you'd be pretty damn hard-pressed to show that the hype didn't save lives and improve productivity.

      Another note:

      According to the WHO report from August 6th the number of confirmed deaths was less than 20,000 (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2010_08_06/en/index.html).

      No. The figures reported in that report are minimum figures. The CDC reported 8533 deaths confirmed due to H1N1 in the US; if you check that number with the CDC, they state that the actual number is likely FAR higher.

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    4. Re:Pandemic? by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing, so I looked it up:

      "The World Health Organization (WHO) has produced a six-stage classification that describes the process by which a novel influenza virus moves from the first few infections in humans through to a pandemic. This starts with the virus mostly infecting animals, with a few cases where animals infect people, then moves through the stage where the virus begins to spread directly between people, and ends with a pandemic when infections from the new virus have spread worldwide.

      "A disease or condition is not a pandemic merely because it is widespread or kills many people; it must also be infectious. For instance, cancer is responsible for many deaths but is not considered a pandemic because the disease is not infectious or contagious."

      So "pandemic" doesn't just mean something contagious that's occurring worldwide, otherwise the common cold would have been classified as pandemic throughout recorded history.

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    5. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh, Mars 1 Juxtapose, Swine Flu Sally's neon nose grows, like a life-like Pinocchio
      Everybody now is just trying to avoid it, Newsman Tom is trying to exploit it,
      I know a cure to stop the fear and a little rock and roll"
      -Dare If You Dare, Stone Temple Pilots.

    6. Re:Pandemic? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget chicken pox and shingles. The current marketing on those is that they are serious killers.

    7. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That last sentence has a truckload of speculation hanging over it. "[L]ikely FAR higher" is a meaningless statement. The facts are that confirmed fatalities were low and the media hype was through the roof. Even the H1N1 deaths, plus all the other deaths linked to flu like symptoms don't touch historic pandemics that killed many hundreds of thousands.

    8. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to the dictionary for my definition.

    9. Re:Pandemic? by juhaz · · Score: 1

      So "pandemic" doesn't just mean something contagious that's occurring worldwide, otherwise the common cold would have been classified as pandemic throughout recorded history.

      Right. It just means something contagious that is spreading widely (doesn't have to be worldwide, just a very large area).

      Things like common cold* are not classified as pandemic, because they've already stabilized. It's already present in the whole world, and not spreading into new populations any more. If cold cases would suddenly start to skyrocket, then maybe... or if cold was eradicated from large areas and did a comeback.

      *) Common cold might not count as a pandemic even if it did meet the spreading criteria, since it doesn't have a single causative agent - it's just an umbrella term for a wide variety of mild respiratory tract infections.

    10. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It's disingenuous to compare normal flu fatalities to the H1N1

      Why? If anything the normal flu killed more people in one month then H1N1 did before vaccines started up. I know one person who got it (in the UK), and four people I know got vaccinated.

      If it was such a pandemic we should of easily seen way more deaths or more infections.

      To me it looked like scare mongering for the drug companies to sell off old stock of tamiflu.

    11. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The numbers are bullshit. Once the disease started to hit, the counting was changed from "confirmed to H1N1" to "if the symptoms matches the flu, count it as H1N1". Officially to keep the workload down for the labs doing the testing, of course.

      This was not a single country thing. It was reported that the US had started counting this way, long before my own country did so.

      One US state did their own numbers, along with the federal numbers, but counted only the confirmed cases. Result: Their own numbers were far below the federal numbers for the same state.

      In my own country, we saw very few infections (tens) until the day it was announced they had started counting everything. Then the number of infections - and deaths - skyrocketed.

      A couple of months later, even our government started suggesting that the hole thing was caused by the medical business pressuring the UN/WHO to declare it a pandemic. The vaccines they had paid loads of money for, while having to accept all responsibility for the results of said vaccine (the sellers wouldn't, because it was rushed through testing), sat mostly unused.

    12. Re:Pandemic? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The actual fun your girlfriend would have screwing me instead of you is FAR higher.

    13. Re:Pandemic? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      SHOULD. HAVE. What the fuck monkey?!

    14. Re:Pandemic? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yes, keep getting you info on what women like from Jersey Shore~

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    15. Re:Pandemic? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, wide spread infection is when pandemic means.

      The initial mortality rate was 50%. That was the cause for alarm.
      There when many thousands of deaths. I don't know about you, but I don't like seeing thousands die.

      It's impact was reduced because of that action. Even with that, we where on the precipice of disaster. Hospitals where just starting to put in there emergence procedures for turning people away when the flu stated subsiding.

      Increased care, hygiene, vaccination saved us, barely. We were also lucky that the initial mortality was a spike in probability and not the norm.

      Normal I don't respond to AC; however people ignorance of vaccines, and knowledge on how disease behave is killing people.

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    16. Re:Pandemic? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Don't forget chicken pox and shingles. The current marketing on those is that they are serious killers.
      I understand from my 80 something year old great grandmother that shingles is painful, but not a killer(you just wish you were dead).

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      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
    17. Re:Pandemic? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Your 80 year old grandmother is correct. That doesn't stop commercials for the vaccine from claiming that it will kill you. Remember, that just a generation ago, chicken pox was also considered a nothing more than a major childhood inconvenience. Now, people will accuse you of being a killer if you don't give your kid the vaccine that is likely to increase their risk from the disease. For what it is worth, while the chicken pox vaccine seems like are really bad idea, the shingles vaccine seems like a pretty good one. Actually, for an adult that hasn't had chicken pox, the vaccine is a good idea, because they are already past the point of it being a minor illness.

      Now for the tinfoil hat time... It give me pause that a new formulation of vaccines can be whipped up in Star Trek time to battle the wildly mutating flu virus, but they cannot seem to produce a vaccine for Herpes from what they already have with the chicken pox vaccine. I am far more concerned about the life long impact that Herpes has on peoples lives than I am about have a flu like disease for a week while you are a kid. While the temporary nature of the chicken pox vaccine will push peoples infectable time to later in life when it is more dangerous to catch the disease, Herpes doesn't get more dangers as you enter adulthood (which when you would be most likely to catch it anyways). While a chicken pox vaccine that last 5 years is more harm than good, a Herpes vaccine that lasts 5 years would be awesome.

    18. Re:Pandemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, come on - he just did it on accident.

  7. Government Genetic Gene Mutation Caused H1N1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    FTFY

    Simply put, H1N1 was fine tuned by the government in a lab. The H1N1 was a completely engineered 'pandemic' from top to bottom, in order to get a brainless populace to take a vaccine that will damage their DNA.

    1. Re:Government Genetic Gene Mutation Caused H1N1 by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      ...and the "vaccine" was delivered as a retrovirus in many small batches to specific locations such that anyone vaccinated can have their DNA analyzed to determine their origin as of V-Day.

      0: Release mutation of the flu for which no one has antibodies.
      1: Secretly introduce geo-specific retrovirus as a vaccine.
      2: Support the world's governments cataloging of their populous' DNA.
      3: Sell H1N1 DNA marker geo-database as a way to identify the actual origin of suspected spies to highest bidder.
      4: Profit!

  8. Is There A Gene Mutation To Cause +1, Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    smallpox to spread?

    Yours In Akademgorodok,
    K. Trout

  9. What pandemic? by McTickles · · Score: 0

    More like a pandemic of panic and anxiety... (and I am considered part of the "people at risk", I didn't bother with that vaccine)

  10. AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AIDS caused the spread of the HIV. This is another reason to wish them away from civil humans.

  11. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It WAS and IS unjustified media fear mongering. They had everyone expecting another Spanish flu at least or perhaps a great plague level event. They had people convinced that not getting vaccinated was as good as a death sentence. Governments were stockpiling massive quantities of flu remedies.

    Nobody denied that the flu existed and that it was a mutation was a given. The particular mutation involved is interesting.

    Note the distinct lack of mass graves, cities shut down or evacuated, auditoriums converted to medical wards, etc. etc. etc. Note how the "pandemic" went into decline even before the flu shots had a chance to become effective. Note how the overall mortality rate was a bit less than that of the typical seasonal flu.

    In other words.....YAWN!

  12. As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The linked summary article is so much technobabble. Slashdot is full of smart people who can handle a link to an open access journal article...

    Go to http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1001034 to find out that the lack of a Lysine (K627) in the PB2 gene would normally prohibit this virus from replicating in humans, but is compensated for by the presence of a Arginine (R591) residue. These are both basic amino acids, and are located near each other on the structure. So, just a standard compensatory mutation - the sort of thing flu does all the time.

    This is a nice bit of science, but it hardly explains the cause of the whole pandemic (this was a Franken-virus cobbled together from 4 other viruses). More science, less sensationalism, please!

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    1. Re:As a flu researcher... by noidentity · · Score: 1

      My main question: how many injuries/deaths did this cause over what the usual seasonal flu would have during the same time period?

    2. Re:As a flu researcher... by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      lack of a Lysine (K627) in the PB2 gene

      As they say, nature will find a way.

    3. Re:As a flu researcher... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is full of smart people who can handle a link to an open access journal article...

      You must be new here...

    4. Re:As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quite a few less deaths than seasonal flu, seems to be the consensus. It was a pandemic in that it spread world-wide, but not a very deadly one. In fact, WHO seriously debated not calling it a pandemic to prevent panic, but eventually called it anyway because it met the definition.

      This got a lot of press because it was a pandemic, and because it effected children instead of seniors. Didn't actually kill that many people, though.

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    5. Re:As a flu researcher... by wasmoke · · Score: 1

      Since you're a flu researcher... can you explain to me (layman's terms, please, I have only a basic grasp of proteins/amino acids/etc) why the flu was supposed to have been easier to catch for young adults, instead of the old and very young? I never heard why that was so.

    6. Re:As a flu researcher... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if I remember correctly influenza viruses have 8 pieces of ssRNA inside their virions. Should 4 different viruses of the same family infect a same cell chances are probably high that stuff will get packaged in a semi random way inside those new virions. I'm not really a virologist thou so not sure about any of this..

    7. Re:As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      The easier question to answer is why did it have less effect in the elderly.

      Flu crosses over from pigs to humans pretty often - there's a fairly well established theory that pigs are the link that lets flu get from birds (the major carrier) into human. This virus was a weird mix of 4 swine viruses (flu has 8 gene segments that can mix and match) that happened to infect both humans and pigs pretty well.

      This is not the first time in recent memory that a virus has made the jump from pigs to humans, though. There was a pretty good H1N1-from-swine scare in 1976 - that virus turned out not to be a very big event, but it precipitated a major vaccination campaign that gave people in their 40s some small amount of immunity to the 2009 H1N1 strain. Additionally, the 1956 pandemic that introduced H2N2 into humans and the 1967 pandemic that introduced H3N2 into humans came from swine, too, so older people had some cross-immunity from those viruses. That cross immunity isn't very well understood, but it seems to lower the death rate quite a bit for the older generations.

      What no one can really wrap their head around yet is this affected young adults more than very young children. It's a good question, and one that should be answered by research now in progress, but we just don't know yet. It wasn't that the young children didn't catch it, but instead that they didn't die from it. The only corollary is the 1918 virus, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults, too. That virus cause a massive overreaction of the host immune system, thereby killing people who had the most robust immune systems - young adults. Best working theory is that maybe the 2009 H1N1 strain did something like that, but was just a lot less fatal than the 1918 H1N1 virus was.

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    8. Re:As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      Mostly right - it would be rare for 4 different strains to all infect the same cell, but two is pretty common. Since this virus was a mix of 4 swine viruses, it probably resulted from several dual-infection/random-packaging events (called reassortment, usually).

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    9. Re:As a flu researcher... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      ...and because it effected children

      That is an impressive virus. Does it increase libido or fertility?

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    10. Re:As a flu researcher... by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      " Slashdot is full of smart people who can handle a link to an open access journal article..."

      Your either new here or unaware of my weak ass attempt to get the tilde to denote snarky. /. is full of people who believe they are smart because they work with computers.

      Of curse, I wold rather have educated over smart. Both is even better.

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    11. Re:As a flu researcher... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      IN the end, your basically correct. However when it was first discovered it's mortality was 50%.

      When something like that breaks loose, you must act immediately. We dodged a bullet.

      Also it effect children and pregnant women. Many of are hospitals where out of beds.

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    12. Re:As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      Sieg heil, Herr Grammer!

      So I don't proofread my Slashdot comments as well as my journal articles. Does anyone?

      To your question - no, flu tends to lower libido, and no one cares about whether you are fertile. Most people can't think about sex when they have a major respiratory viral infection making them feel worse than they have ever felt...

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    13. Re:As a flu researcher... by Vornzog · · Score: 1

      No question, we thought the mortality rate was high(er) when this started, but quoting 50% is silly - it was endemic in rural Mexico for ~2 months before it was recognized in the US. Their health care isn't great, and certainly some people died that didn't need to, but nothing like 50%.

      If it had been that high, the Mexican government would have recognized that they had a problem. As was, it wasn't until there were two cases in the US that were identified and characterized that Mexico was forced to acknowledge that they had a problem, and by that point, the cat was out of the bag. The CDC had done a bunch of pandemic planning, and had to throw all of it out, because they never accounted for the idea flu could get into humans and have two months to spread before they would find out about it.

      You are right, though - we dodged a bullet. That was about the best possible scenario for a flu pandemic in terms of number of people killed. The media screaming pandemic, the increased mortality in children and pregnant women, and health care workers who refused to be vaccinated were less than ideal, but not all that many people died relative to what it could have been.

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    14. Re:As a flu researcher... by hitmark · · Score: 1

      as it tries them all.

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  13. Re:man'kind' damaged on a chromosomal level by Skidborg · · Score: 1

    ...wut?

    If you're going to go saying this nonsense, you could at least say it in a way that makes it sound like you didn't just shove together a bunch of random conspiracy theory (and environmental?) catchphrases as a joke.

    As it is, it just looks like you've been smoking pot with your spiritual being too much.

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  14. Thank you... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    Thank you for your technobable. :)

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  15. That SOB! by El_Smack · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holy Cow! I work with Gene. I never thought he was capable of something like this.

    Just goes to show you never really know someone.

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    1. Re:That SOB! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      I El_Smacked my forehead when I read this. Just palming my face wouldn't be enough.

    2. Re:That SOB! by mmcxii · · Score: 1

      The article says it was Gene's mutation. Either he has been p0wn3d by the body snatchers or it was one of his little snot faced brats.

  16. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not evidence of fear mongering, it's evidence that our epidemic prevention systems are working.

  17. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

    Call me paranoid if you must, but I noticed that when the mass media started talking about H1N1 and stopped talking about the economic freefall we were in, guess what... The economy stopped sinking like a stone.

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  18. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by hondo77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if all the people in New Orleans had been bussed out before Katrina hit, it would have been a yawner, too. Then people would have complained that the expensive evacuation wasn't worth the money and that it was all just media hype.

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  19. And something that should be noted by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is that is WAS a pandemic but the word doesn't mean what most people think. Pandemic has the connotation of something that kills a lot, but it really just means a disease that spreads a lot. It literally means "an epidemic that is geographically widespread; occurring throughout a region or even throughout the world." So you can have a harmless pandemic (as this one largely was) just as you can have an extremely fatal disease that doesn't spread much. A pandemic itself isn't scary, it is a pandemic of a disease with a high kill rate that is.

    So for the people who feel like it wasn't really a pandemic, that is simply a function of the media sensationalizing a word. The disease was a pandemic in its spread, but its kill rate was exceedingly low, even lower than normal flu strains, meaning that the net harm wasn't very much.

    1. Re:And something that should be noted by dpolak · · Score: 0

      Basically it was a cash cow for the pharmaceutical companies, and all those related to it. You can't go to a single place without finding those darn sterilizing alcohol gels.

      How did we survive as kids with all those nasty germs around! Hype and FUD from these companies that only endanger us in the long run.

    2. Re:And something that should be noted by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      But doesn't declaring it a pandemic at least imply that it has SOME danger? By your definition couldn't the diseases caused by the human herpes virus family be declared a "pandemic" since it is insanely widespread? For instance, I would say at LEAST 95% of the people reading this post are currently infected with at least one strain of the virus.

    3. Re:And something that should be noted by mibe · · Score: 1

      It was declared a pandemic (and it was a pandemic) when the danger of the virus was still largely unknown. As a new pandemic virus, it warranted the attention it received, even though we erred on the side of caution this time - as I hope we do with every new disease.

    4. Re:And something that should be noted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the disease has to be widespread, not the pathogen.

      And I think HHV-7 infection alone is close to 100%. Maybe some isolated South American tribe doesn't have it.

    5. Re:And something that should be noted by Threni · · Score: 1

      Well, we erred on the side of caution in the UK because of corruption between the guys in charge of ordering vaccines and the company producing the vaccine. A few fat kids die overseas so we have to order millions of pointless vaccines? Yeah, money well spent.

    6. Re:And something that should be noted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But doesn't declaring it a pandemic at least imply that it has SOME danger?

      No.

      By your definition couldn't the diseases caused by the human herpes virus family be declared a "pandemic" since it is insanely widespread?

      It isn't the OP's definition, but that of virtually every dictionary you can find. From Wikipedia, for example: "A pandemic is an epidemic of infectious disease that is spreading through human populations across a large region; for instance a continent, or even worldwide

      For instance, I would say at LEAST 95% of the people reading this post are currently infected with at least one strain of the virus.

      No. Again from Wikipedia, and as the medical community understands and uses the word: "A widespread endemic disease that is stable in terms of how many people are getting sick from it is not a pandemic."

    7. Re:And something that should be noted by Brickwall · · Score: 1

      Except that an epidemic, using Wikipedia (since that's your reference) "occurs when new cases of a certain disease, in a given human population, and during a given period, substantially exceed what is "expected,". Now, given the predictions for H1NI, and given that this was the mildest flu season in years (in Canada, at any rate, and from what I've read in the US as well; not sure about other countries), how in the name of God does this definition hold? The number of new cases was substantially less than was predicted. So, if there's no epidemic, how can there be a pandemic? I call shenanigans on the media, hyping another non-existent "disaster".

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    8. Re:And something that should be noted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How WHO defined pandemic was changed briefly before announcing the H1N1 as a pandemic.. Go figure. Hope they can revert to the old definition now where pandemic *does* mean something dangerous.

    9. Re:And something that should be noted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A non-fatal disease that has the potential to keep, say, 20% of the population simultaneously in bed for a week or two is quite scary too. Ok, it won't kill you, but the disruption it creates is significant. And that doesn't count the effects of preventive measures like closing crowded places (schools, stadiums, etc) to avoid further spread...

    10. Re:And something that should be noted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd rather wait until your own fat kids die?

  20. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The problem with flu is it's rapid rate of mutation, rapid spread, and high virulence. It does kill about half a million people each year, and every hundred years or so a variant will pop up that causes fatal cytokine storms in healthy people.

    The recent H1N1 scare was because it is hard to predict what the flu would do in the flu season and it was unusually active during an otherwise quiet time for flu. There was actually a fairly good chance that it would be worse than the spanish flu. It's easy to criticize with perfect hindsight, but when working with incomplete data and you are up against something that has a reasonable chance of killing hundreds of millions of people...

    Better be prepared for the worst case scenario, at any rate at some point a even worse variant than the Spanish flu will popup, it's just a matter of time, and we have been unusually lucky over the last century.

  21. Time to get off the computer... by dclozier · · Score: 1

    I read this as "Green Martian Caused 2009 H1N1 Virus Spread".... it's been a long day I guess.

  22. thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your criticism is a reward in itself. environmental catch-all phase is no joke. the spirit requires no additives. random exploding/flooding/starving /burning up/ruining stuff forever/killing people conspiracy is no longer a theory. it's really happening.

    1. Re:thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, no more Finnegans Wake for you.

  23. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by mean+pun · · Score: 1

    It WAS and IS unjustified media fear mongering. They had everyone expecting another Spanish flu at least or perhaps a great plague level event.

    Except that responsible media (including even /.) always indicated that the predictions had a wide margin of error. Of course if someone is looking for their daily dose of fear, there are always media that are happy to oblige.

    In other words.....YAWN!

    That's easy to say in hindsight, Mr Armchair Epidemiologist. Last year there was good reason to assume things could be far more serious.

  24. Manbirdpig flu? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Heh...

  25. Sword vs shield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am no expert at all, but from my understanding so far, the more complex an organism is (and by "organism" I mean a combination of cells), the harder it is for it to evolve. Virii are (a) relatively simple (combination of cells), and are therefore more likely to evolve/adapt than more complex organisms (say, a human being), and it is only thanks to human research that the human being is more resistant so far (thanks, mainly, to vaccines).

    As far as my feeble understanding is concerned, this resembles a "sword vs shield" problem. Saying has it that the sword (the virus) wins eventually. Will it?

  26. Re:Mutation? I don't think so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must have been intelligently designed by Military intelligentsia because flu still kills 2- 5 X more in the USA than this so called Pandemic did worldwide !

  27. It was clearly not a pandemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A pandemic killed 60 million people. In Romania they said that an actor died of it. Later to be discovered but oddly enough not covered that he had contacted malaria from Angola where he worked as a volunteer. It was marketing. How do so many people get suckered in to such false news I do not understand. It was worse then a mascara commercial and we know too well their target audience. Cows, chicken, pigs.. What next? Raging squirrel syndrome? I don't contest that it was a mutation of a flu virus. Mutations happen on a daily basis but to call it a pandemic is a bit too much. Oh no! I'm being attacked by a squirrel holding two nuts! Heeeeeelp!

    1. Re:It was clearly not a pandemic by aristofanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      search "The Times of India" for "swine flu"
      You will find:
      A: that there has been a 40% increase in swine flu cases recently.
      B:that it requires 2 tests to confirm that a particular swab is swine flu rather than ordinary flu.
      C: that the first test to establish that it is flu and not a common cold is cheap; but that the test to identify swine flu costs up to 5000 rupees (~$100)
      D: that the second test is frequently not done and the results from the first test are assumed to be swine flu; which leads to a lot of false positives.
      E: that some of the WHO experts had (have/) ties to pharma companies

  28. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by TheABomb · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are absolutely correct, insofar as anchors are generally made of metal instead of stone.

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  29. Re:Is There A Gene Mutation To Cause +1, Interesti by jd · · Score: 1

    I have no idea what +1, Interesting smallpox is. Presumably, it's a mutation of smallpox that has evolved the ability to post on Slashdot. In which case, we're safe. It can't spread. What's it going to reproduce with?

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  30. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody got "bussed out" though. The drugs sit on shelves (expiring rapidly).

    It's as if a tropical storm formed on the Atlantic as usual and we evacuated the entire southeast right away, continuing the evacuation even after the spotter planes told us it had broken up and become a light rain shower. A year later and we still haven't officially admitted there is no hurricane.

    Thanks to that, if a real killer flu happens that really could wipe out a third of the population, everyone will yawn and nobody will get an actually necessary vaccine.

  31. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    I have consistently criticized based on actual fatality figures that were known well before the stockpiling happened and before the vaccine was even available. It was perfectly possible after the first few reports to predict that it would be a fizzle (I did so and it was).

    A few people with actual credentials did as well but they were shouted down by Chicken Little.

  32. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    Only in the same sense as no tigers proves that my magic tiger repelling rock works.

    Note how it was already in decline before the vaccine was available. That was proof that we didn't NEED to do anything. Note how most people had a very mild flu. More evidence that there wasn't anything to do.

    Note how the one big preventative measure that is well proven to work, avoiding crowds, was never advised because that would mess with the commerce day/christmas shopping.

  33. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by antirelic · · Score: 1

    This was only a test of the Global Emergency Response System. Had this test yielded the appropriate outpouring of funding into UN coffers, I'm certain that the FUD associated with H1N1 would have been amplified accordingly. From every HR letter to other not to mention memorandums, H1N1 was touted to be a potential epidemic that was to rival the biblical death of the first born of Egypt (hence H1N1 was suppose to kill off young children en masse).

    Of course, many of the early reports of young people dying were kept VERY vague, not mentioning that many of the individuals were illegal immigrants (not necessarily important for this particular matter, other than lack of historical medical histories) with pre-existing illnesses. Later on it was found out that many of the declared H1N1 diagnosis were false, and some of the deaths were not the real cause of death, just that people who died also had H1N1.

    Saying that the global response system was effective in containing H1N1 from becoming a devastating plague is suspect at best. 10,000's of thousands of people die from seasonal flu every year and there is pretty much nothing the WHO can do about it, aside from offering a russian roulette vaccination regimen. I'm not criticizing vaccinations, I'm simply saying that if H1N1 was a deadly as it was touted, and as virulent as the common cold, the death toll would have been MUCH higher.

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  34. Re:Increased virulence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or you could learn the definitions of the words you are using.
    'virulence' is a description of how fast something spreads.

  35. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    That's easy to say in hindsight, Mr Armchair Epidemiologist. Last year there was good reason to assume things could be far more serious.

    You mean last year when I predicted that it wouldn't amount to anything and decried the media hype and massive waste of money? That last year?

    When the initial outbreak happened in Mexico and there were an unusual number of fatalities, concern was justified. When it spread and the fatality rate fell to below normal levels for flu, there was cause to relax. When the fatality rate remained low it was time to stand down, but we didn't. There was Tamiflu and vaccines to be sold and government agencies that needed to appear relevant, so the panic continued.

    I can imagine no justification for continuing to follow it as a pandemic (yes, they're not done flogging this particular dead horse).

    As for the wide margin for error, it was very wide indeed wide. As wide as OMG DENTAL FLOSS WILL KILL YOU (perhaps but probably not).

  36. "resulted in a pandemic across the world" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be straight out of the repetitive redundancy department office.

  37. virus combination? by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

    a combination of four different avian and swine flu viruses that have emerged over the past 90 years, and even includes genetic residue of the 1918 pandemic virus

    Forgive my ignorance, I am no microbiologist, but how does this happen? Viruses don't have sexual dimorphism so the only way for this to be true would be if each of the four different avian and swine flu viruses mentioned were a combination of all the ones that came before it. Viruses can be descended from each other but can they be descended from multiple strains without each of those being descended from each other as well? Am I missing something here? Are viruses sneakily having sex when I am not looking?

    1. Re:virus combination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many ways. If I remember correctly influenza group viruses have 8 ssRNA molecules (their genome) inside their virions. Should 2 influenza viruses infect a same cell chances are good that some newly produced virions will be chimeras.

  38. The great flu scare of 2010 was horseshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like killer bees and flesh-eating bacteria. I find it useful to not work myself into a frenzy over the latest media obsession...

  39. Off topic but still about pandemics by Shikaku · · Score: 1

    Ya know, there already is a disease for creating zombies. Not undead per se, but the other characteristics of zombies.

    Rabies spreads by biting. The only reason it won't become a pandemic in its current form is because it is totally self-destructive: the host will kill everything, including other beings with rabies, and including itself.

    Now if there was something that can pacify the aggression on things already infected, then a zombie pandemic can start...

  40. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by BungaDunga · · Score: 1

    They ramped up vaccine production as fast as they possibly could, IN CASE by the time it was available, the virus would be still going gangbusters.

    Luckily it wasn't, but we just don't know enough about flu to have known ahead of time, let alone guessed.

  41. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you're missing the big picture. The big picture is, flu vaccines take a long time to make. Yes, media fear mongers hyped up the worst case scenario, but the mass production was precisely because H1N1 was pandemic; ie, it wasn't as important if it had a high kill ratio as that it spread a lot and hence a lot of vaccines could counter the spread. As a result, a very large production of the vaccine were produced. The fact that "spotter planes told us it had broken up and become a light rain shower" is precisely why about half the vaccines weren't used. If you're looking for the media fear mongers to officially apologize, well good luck with that.

    Meanwhile, the lethality of most influenza tends to be less from the flu being strong per se and more to do with people (elderly and children) having an immune system unable to cope. So, presumably the mass vaccination probably did save a good many elderly and child lives. And the pandemic status was accurate. The only thing really left is for the CDC and the WHO to officially admonish the various media fear mongers and apologize that they didn't do such earlier. I'm not really sure what you expecting though, unless you believe it's the CDC's and the WHO's job to have a PR arm to educate people that they shouldn't blindly believe everything the media might spit out, especially when it's the same jackasses spewing yet another thing to fear this week when last weeks fear didn't pan out as nearly as lethal as they made it out to be.

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  42. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    There was PLENTY of notice that the flu wasn't going to be a big deal. The decline before the vaccine was actually used was just the icing on the cake.

    It's also notable that even with H1N1 in decline, the vaccine was still being hyped endlessly and other supplies were still being stocked up.

  43. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    It wasn't wrong to develop the vaccine, the wrong was in foisting it off on the public once it became obviously unnecessary.

    The massive stockpiling of Tamiflu was a problem, especially as evidence piled up that it wasn't terribly effective for H1N1 and that overuse is already causing flu in general to adapt.

    The spread was no more severe than any flu and may have been far less (it's hard to tell since any flu-like symptoms were presumed to be H1N1 for the purpose of scare mongering stats). The kill ratio was lower than normal for flu. The odds are fair that more people died driving to and from the clinic to get their flu shot than were saved by that shot.

    As for what to DO about it, there's not much TO do. The horse is gone, there's no sense closing the door now. My concern is that one day, a REAL pandemic that actually kills 1 of every 3 people WILL break out and all people will think when the warnings go out is "yeah, yeah, swine flu, we're all going to die, sure". There's only so many times you can cry wolf.

    As for blame though, the CDC and WHO did their share of scare mongering and when the media wanted more scary soundbites, they cheerfully complied.

  44. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    It WAS and IS unjustified media fear mongering. They had everyone expecting another Spanish flu at least

    NO ONE expects the Spanish flu!!!

  45. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Close, insofar as they stopped talking about the economic problems (and the wrongheaded keynsian buffoonery...). Not so much in that the economic problems ceased, or that it was their goal, though.

    They hyped it up to sell the health care bill that no one had, at that time, actually read a significant fraction of.

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  46. It might be more proper to say by assertation · · Score: 1

    that factory farming, where pigs are crammed close together to cut costs contributed to the gene mutation and spreading of the Swine Flu.

  47. LOL Manbearpig nutted on a professional "masseuse" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, just LOL!

  48. You keep using that word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pandemic is a term describing how widely the disease spread, it has nothing to do with number of people killed.

    This clearly was a pandemic, since it's worldwide, but mostly harmless one.

  49. Pandemic? What pandemic? by aqk · · Score: 0

    Did I miss something?
    Did I sleep through 2009?

  50. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by thsths · · Score: 1

    > They ramped up vaccine production as fast as they possibly could, IN CASE by the time it was available, the virus would be still going gangbusters.

    But they were too late. Swine flue peaked after the return to school in late summer (no surprise there), and the vaccine was not available until December or January in most places. Had this flu been serious, we would all be dead now (well, not all, but 10% or so).

    So this was an epic fail on ever so many levels. Time for a tax on pharmacology companies to pay for this.

  51. Re:Is There A Gene Mutation To Cause +1, Interesti by Grygus · · Score: 1

    Clearly it is an Interesting Smallpox from Treasure Table GG, found in Module HV-1, The Temple of Elemental Cold.

  52. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

    I've noticed your sig before, but it's especially pertinent with this post!

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  53. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    I agree. Also relevant is this from the Bad Science blog: http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/parmageddon/ . In particular, people seem to misunderstand risk:

    They were risks, risks that didn't materialise, but they were still risks. That's what a risk is.

    It's the same thing with Y2K - even here, you see people claiming it as a myth or waste of time. The risks were there, and indeed, the fact that little happened is a credit to those people who worked fixing the problems. The only ones making ludicrous claims were the media - the same media who now cite the example as "experts make claims that turn out to be completely wrong".

  54. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by geekoid · · Score: 1

    No it was not, you moron.
    Since you seem to have forgotten, the mostality rate when it fist hit the scene was 50%.
    That right, half tghe people that got it initial died. The correct organization behave exactly as they should of with those number.

    Not doing what they did would have been irresponsible. You can't wait until it becomes a pandemic to start preparing, because then it's too late.

    YAWN? did you know that there where hospitals so fuull of very sick people they where goining to start turning people away?
    How about the fact that the huge push to get people vaccinated severally limited it's spread?

    I won't even get into the fact that your 'yawn' still means THOUSANDS dead.

    YOU are what s wrong with the world. You and people like you. You stupid ass binary thinkers. In the end it wasn't as bad as it could of been, therefore is was nothing.

    The people who modded you interesting are ignorant fucks.

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  55. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by sjames · · Score: 1

    No it was not, you moron.

    Oh yeah? Well your a DOODIEHEAD so NYAH NYAH NYAH!

  56. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by geekoid · · Score: 1

    The flu* has a long history of re-serging.

    The fact is you know NOTHING about the flu and how it behaves and that has made you suffer from arrogance from ignorance.

    To the people who actually stupid this stuff, you are a complete buffoon. A buffoon you tried top make everyone around them as ignorant as they are. People like you need to learn to think.

    The CDC and WHO acted exactly as you want them to. You might be too stupid to realize that, but they did. and no, there was no fear monger. They answered everything factually and properly as well as gave people the tool to find out information themselves.

    *all types.

    here isa good place to start:

    http://moremark.squarespace.com/quackcast-list-mp3/

    Episodes 20, 34, 35, 42

    Yes he is sarcastic and doesn't stand you irrational thinking, but he is an expert, and he does site sources. So you can actual relieve yourself if that incredible burden of ignorance.
    The bad thing about ignorance is that it's a burden for everyone, not just the ignorant.

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  57. Good info from an expert and geek by geekoid · · Score: 1

    http://moremark.squarespace.com/

    Infectious disease doc who also makes a Zaphod reference in his FAQ.

    I highly recommend his podcast. ep 20, 34,35,42 discusses the flu, but all his stuff is good, and he sites sources.

    The world needs more Mark Crislip.

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  58. Re:Pandemic? What pandemic? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    The one the spread to every continent. The same one that filled up most of our hospitals. The same won that was a nats eyebrow from causing hospitals from turning people away. The one where fast action among the CDC, WHO and global governments help cut short. The one that killed people who went to PAX, The one that even though the fast action of a lot of global organizations should be praised for stopping short be instead get ignorant fucks complaining that is was all about nothing. Like slamming on the breaks just i time to not hot a tree then these assholes come out of the wood work and bitch that nothing happened therefor breaking was not need.

    That pandemic.

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  59. Re:Is There A Gene Mutation To Cause +1, Interesti by jd · · Score: 1

    Why do I seriously suspect that this will actually get written into a D&D module now...?!

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  60. Re:I thought it was unjustified media fearmongerin by BungaDunga · · Score: 1

    I remember the media saying that other pandemic flus had peaked twice, once in the fall and once later. So if that had happened, it could have helped.

    Anyway, I don't think we physically have the ability to manufacture flu vaccines much faster than we did. It's grown in eggs, sloowwly. If anything it was a good wake-up call that we can't expect to be protected by a vaccine in the event of a really deadly epidemic.

  61. H1N1 by jdc18 · · Score: 1

    That is so 2009

  62. You miss the point of vaccines by Benfea · · Score: 1

    Vaccines aren't about protecting individuals; you have to think of it at the population level. If more than X% of the population gets vaccinated, the percent of the population that gets the disease goes way down. So the fact that you didn't get the flu last year may may be attributable to other people getting the vaccine (not to downplay the importance of personal hygiene).