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How Star Trek Artists Imagined the iPad... 23 Years Later

MorderVonAllem submitted an incredibly cool article about the computers and set design of Star Trek. If you are into that sort of thing, you're going to really like this one. It says "There are a lot of similarities between Apple's iPad and the mobile computing devices—known as PADDs—used in the Star Trek universe. Ars spoke to designers Michael Okuda, Denise Okuda, and Doug Drexler to find out the thinking and inspiration behind the PADD and how closely the iPad represents a real-life incarnation of that dream."

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  1. Wow... by XPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues

    Not Apple HQ.

    The PADDs similar tablets in general, not just Apples iPad.

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    1. Re:Wow... by EricTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues

      Not Apple HQ.

      The PADDs similar tablets in general, not just Apples iPad.

      I agree with you.

      Think of all those e-readers out there, they too look like the smaller PADD's you see in TNG - albeit with black & white screens.

      The only things an iPad (or iPhone/iPod touch) has more in common with PADD's are colour and touch sensitive screens, although some e-readers also have the latter.

      I think there's too many iPad centric articles around at the moment, much to Apple's delight I think

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    2. Re:Wow... by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well you can disagree, but the I think the point of the article is that the two Trek designers specifically brought up the similarities.

      "For example, pinch to zoom—that was relatively difficult to do even as a visual effect. It's implemented brilliantly on the iPad and the iPhone."

      Drexler said that to him, the iPad is "eerily similar" to the PADDs used in Star Trek. "We always felt that the classic Okuda T-bar graphic was malleable, and that you could stretch and rearrange it to suit your task, just like the iPad," he said. "The PADD never had a keyboard as part of its casing, just like the iPad. Its geometry is almost exactly the same—the corner radius, the thickness, and overall rectangular shape."

      "It's uncanny to have a PADD that really works," Drexler said, unlike the non-functional props made for the TV series and later films. "The iPad is the true Star Trek dream," Drexler told Ars.

      None of those things apply to, eg, the Kindle (nor other pre-iPad tablets. I've never seen an Android tablet) which has a very different form factor, different bezel/corner radius, different colors, different screen, no touch. So, take it up with the designers of the PADD if you've got a problem ;-)

    3. Re:Wow... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Other than Jake Sisko, how often did you see the Star Trek post TNG cast use styluses with PADDs?

      How often do you see people actually using Pogo styluses with iPad/iPod Touch/iPhones?

      The iPad is largely the first consumer touch screen device that can aptly be compared with a PADD.

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    4. Re:Wow... by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      I vaguely recall Arthur C. Clark writing something about Heywood Floyd reading a newspaper on an electronic tablet like device while en route to the moon in "2001: A Space Odyssey", which was published in 1968.

      Yes. That's in the movie. For the 1960s movie, they had to build the tablet into the table and project film from underneath.

    5. Re:Wow... by blincoln · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not even convinced they originated the idea on Star Trek. I don't have a copy to hand to check, but I vaguely recall Arthur C. Clark writing something about Heywood Floyd reading a newspaper on an electronic tablet like device while en route to the moon in "2001: A Space Odyssey", which was published in 1968.

      It's been awhile since I read the book, but in the film, it seems to be a reading device, not a general-purpose tablet computer. IE its interaction appears limited to the equivalent of flipping through a newspaper, as opposed to running applications.

      On the topic of the PADD, I've been making my way through the various Star Trek series, and one of the things that's really struck me is how even though the Federation has access to advanced computing power and networking technology, crew members still physically hand each other PADDs to transfer information. In some cases, they'll end up with piles of PADDs on their desks if they're studying a particular topic in depth.

      At first I thought that this was something along the lines of how William Gibson didn't think to include cellphones in Neuromancer, because essentially everyone was still using payphones back then. But after more reflection, maybe the Star Trek staff were just more forward-thinking and assumed some sort of draconian DRM scheme that locks data to a particular physical device :).

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    6. Re:Wow... by StayFrosty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Another possibility is that, like iPads, Star Trek PADDs could not multitask well or have multiple windows showing at the same time. The piles of PADDs may be an easier way to have a whole bunch of reference materials open and available at the same time.

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  2. not quite. by Triv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dunno, it seems to me the iPad and the PADD aren't particularly analogous. iPads are interactive application frameworks; PADDs were usually only used exactly the same way paper is - "look at this data from Omicron Persei 8!" *hands it over. *Reads. "My god. The borometric field is fluctuating!" You rarely saw data uploaded to a PADD and you never saw it running complex applications or interacting with the world; that's what Tricorders were for.

    A PADD was a clipboard, just future-visioned. It served exactly the same purpose, plot-wise, as all the paper in the new Battlestar Galactica being octagonal - it show you you were in a different world.

    1. Re:not quite. by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Informative

      You rarely saw data uploaded to a PADD and you never saw it running complex applications or interacting with the world; that's what Tricorders were for.

      All it really took was reading the article for several examples of how that's not true.

    2. Re:not quite. by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I dunno, it seems to me the iPad and the PADD aren't particularly analogous. iPads are interactive application frameworks; PADDs were usually only used exactly the same way paper is

      Usually, but not always. ISTR them being used interactively during engineering diagnostics and for data entry in Sickbay.
       
      I do recall an interview in the early 90's where Micheal Okuda stated that a PADD could act like any main display [like the ones on the bridge] and thus, in theory, one could operate the entire ship while strolling down a corridor with a PADD in hand. My copies of the technical manual have long since been consigned to the basement, but I believe those [theoretical] capabilities were discussed there as well.

  3. Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by trickofperspective · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I can casually toss it onto my desk like Picard without worrying about the thing shattering, it will have officially replaced books.

    1. Re:Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by FuckingNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, to casually toss Picard onto my desk...

  4. iPad vs PADD by a_nonamiss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always just took it as a given that the PADD was a large part of the inspiration behind the iPad. I mean, even the name pays homage. I can easily envision someone like Steve Jobs sitting down with a designer and some episodes of ST:TNG and saying "Now make me on of those".

    It's pretty apparent that the set designers on ST:TNG were visionaries. It's pretty difficult to accurately envision the future, even if it's only 20 years ahead of time. Credit needs to be given to those guys. I just hope that Apple had the decency to give them free iPads when they were released.

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  5. Very simple by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad is EXACTLY what the PADD would have been had the Ferengi designed it instead of someone in the Federation.

    1. Re:Very simple by Wh15per · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Steve Jobs does have big ears...

    2. Re:Very simple by Bemopolis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whereas Microsoft Courier is exactly what the PADD would have been had the Pakleds designed it.

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  6. I must have missed that episode by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    These mobile computing terminals bear a striking resemblance to Apple's iPad

    Perhaps it depends on the level at which you judge things. For me, for something to "resemble an iPad," it needs to have a third party inserted between the developer and the user.

    Geordi: "Hey, what if we reroute The Borg's root command through the subspace neutrino beam? Their ship will collapse like a house of balloons!"
    Riker: "Checkmate!"
    Picard: "Mr. Data, make it so."
    Data: "Aye aye, captain." [fingers blur on PADD, then stop. Data just sits there.]
    Picard: "Mr. Data?"
    Data: "Yes, captain?"
    Picard: "Are you ready?!"
    Data: "Waiting for software approval by the Ferengi, sir."
    Picard: *sigh* "Initiate auto-destruct sequence."

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    1. Re:I must have missed that episode by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair, if the ship self-destructed while people still had files open for writing, or other half-finished unrollbackable transactions, there could be some data loss/corruption.

      That would be a good plot. Captain orders destruct, but computer refuses to obey until everyone saves their work. The captain goes around the ship, making people exit their apps, and in the course of doing that, he happens to solve the problem that made him want to destruct in the first place. ("Mr. Worf, I need you to exit Filemaker. Wait, you're not Mr. Worf. Security, I've found the intruder!!") He wants to call off the destruct, but the process doesn't answer; it's unkillable and waiting for one last user to close his files. So from then on, that user has to keep that app running all the time, or else the ship will explode.

      Next season there's an episode where that user's workstation is under virus attack ("Lt. Barklay, I told you to stop saving other people's holodeck sessions to your flash drive and taking the back to your workstation to watch! 'This session requires an advanced holodeck playback CODEC' and you believed that?"), and they finally manage to migrate the app-which-is-holding-open-the-file into some VM where it's put to sleep forever (alongside Dr. Moriarty).

      Forever, that is, until the next episode about the several-year-old unabortable destruct order, and the one open file that keeps it from running.

      LaForge: "Captain! I just tested my backups for the first time in two years and it turns out we don't have backups for anything that comes after that always-open file in the directory!"
      Riker: "We're going to have to re-order the directory."
      LaForge: "But commander, it's a hash table!"
      Picard: "Data, I need you to rename all our files so that their hash values come before 0xdeadbeef. Then we'll softlink the old filenames to the new ones."
      LaForge: "And you expect me to maintain this system for how much longer?"
      Riker: "Maybe we ought to let the self-destruct finish."
      Picard: "Number one, I think you're on to something."
      Riker: "Captain, I was jo--"
      Picard: "Data, can you write an emulator for the self-destruct hardware?"
      Data: "No, the Ferengi don't allow emulators." (ZING! Apple, did you think I forgot about you? This all started as a flame, you know.)

      And on and on and on., good grief it would never have to end.

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  7. It's amazing really by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's amazing how much you can 'predict' given nearly a quarter century of hindsight. Not to mention that much of this technology is older than Okuda & Co. would have you believe.

    I saw my first flat screen display with software configurable buttons in 1982, as this was the interface used to operate the simulation computers that drove the trainers for the MK88/2 and MK98/0 (Trident Backfit and Trident-I respectively) missile fire and launch control systems. (Though the screens were activated via a stylus rather than true touch screens.) The systems weren't new even then, they were at least six years old. (And thus designed even earlier.) For that matter, the many of the 'buttons' on the fire control console themselves (whose design dates to the early/mid 1970's) were actually miniaturized slide projectors that could display different messages under software control. Heck, the MK88/1 Poseidon system could (under software control) display different colors on a single button (though not different message text as the 88/2 and 98 could) as far back as the late 60's.

    There's also sonar and torpedo fire control equipment from the same (early 70's) era with software configurable interfaces.

    For that matter, as early as my VIC-20, the buttons on the keyboard could do various things depending on the software that was running at the time.

  8. not just star trek by emagery · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note the early appearance of an iPad concept in Demolition Man

  9. Ziggy the smartphone? by eshbums · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe Al wouldn't have needed to beat on Ziggy all the time on Quantum Leap if he wouldn't cover up the antenna with his cigar hand.

  10. Re:Errors in the article. by Tom9729 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Good catch. It's from the episode Babel.

    http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/405.htm

  11. Re:PADD: CS by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the really interesting thing here is that some big and well funded companies have been trying to sell tablet computers for over a decade, yet never made the same decision concerning the form factor that was obvious to a art director for a TV show twenty years ago. Basically that a computing device accessed via a touchscreen should have an interface specifically designed to be operated via a touchscreen. That is the big difference between the iPad and the tablets that came before it. And also one of the big differences between the PADD and most of the tablets we've seen in the real world.

    And I'd argue that it's not necessarily the job of computer scientists to make computing more friendly. They should be working on making software more efficient and powerful. Interface designers should be the ones worrying about making it more friendly. There is of course overlap and cross-communication between the two disciplines, but interface design is important enough that people should dedicate their work specifically to it.

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  12. and G0atse by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trek also predicted g0atse when Spock looked into that secret glowing box and went nuts.

  13. The ONLY thing? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only things an iPad (or iPhone/iPod touch) has more in common with PADD's are ... touch sensitive screens

    The ONLY thing?

    That turns out to be EVERYTHING.

    As for the article, one of the reasons a lot of people like the iPad is that it's Stark Trek UI brought to life. I can't help be repeat the quote from Penny Arcade here:

    I have been waiting for the ability to manipulate technology by pressing dynamic symbols for basically ever. If you find such things unpleasant, then I suggest you develop a taste for forced labor because by the year twenty-twenty all that sneer is going to get you is a slot in the underclass boiling corpses. Get with the fucking program. Come and touch the neon glyphs.

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  14. Totally false! They are, after all, an Enterprise by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Data: "Aye aye, captain." [fingers blur on PADD, then stop. Data just sits there.]
    Picard: "Mr. Data?"
    Data: "Yes, captain?"
    Picard: "Are you ready?!"

    Data: "Custom software deployed sir. Enemy ship collapsing"

    How is this possible?

    Because of course they are members of the iPhone Enterprise development program and can thus enjoy in-ship distribution... :-)

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