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How Star Trek Artists Imagined the iPad... 23 Years Later

MorderVonAllem submitted an incredibly cool article about the computers and set design of Star Trek. If you are into that sort of thing, you're going to really like this one. It says "There are a lot of similarities between Apple's iPad and the mobile computing devices—known as PADDs—used in the Star Trek universe. Ars spoke to designers Michael Okuda, Denise Okuda, and Doug Drexler to find out the thinking and inspiration behind the PADD and how closely the iPad represents a real-life incarnation of that dream."

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  1. Wow... by XPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues

    Not Apple HQ.

    The PADDs similar tablets in general, not just Apples iPad.

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    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you RTFA the Star Trek guys specifically mention the iPad not pads and tablets in general. Thus the article title.

    2. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      you must be old here...

    3. Re:Wow... by EricTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues

      Not Apple HQ.

      The PADDs similar tablets in general, not just Apples iPad.

      I agree with you.

      Think of all those e-readers out there, they too look like the smaller PADD's you see in TNG - albeit with black & white screens.

      The only things an iPad (or iPhone/iPod touch) has more in common with PADD's are colour and touch sensitive screens, although some e-readers also have the latter.

      I think there's too many iPad centric articles around at the moment, much to Apple's delight I think

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    4. Re:Wow... by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well you can disagree, but the I think the point of the article is that the two Trek designers specifically brought up the similarities.

      "For example, pinch to zoom—that was relatively difficult to do even as a visual effect. It's implemented brilliantly on the iPad and the iPhone."

      Drexler said that to him, the iPad is "eerily similar" to the PADDs used in Star Trek. "We always felt that the classic Okuda T-bar graphic was malleable, and that you could stretch and rearrange it to suit your task, just like the iPad," he said. "The PADD never had a keyboard as part of its casing, just like the iPad. Its geometry is almost exactly the same—the corner radius, the thickness, and overall rectangular shape."

      "It's uncanny to have a PADD that really works," Drexler said, unlike the non-functional props made for the TV series and later films. "The iPad is the true Star Trek dream," Drexler told Ars.

      None of those things apply to, eg, the Kindle (nor other pre-iPad tablets. I've never seen an Android tablet) which has a very different form factor, different bezel/corner radius, different colors, different screen, no touch. So, take it up with the designers of the PADD if you've got a problem ;-)

    5. Re:Wow... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Other than Jake Sisko, how often did you see the Star Trek post TNG cast use styluses with PADDs?

      How often do you see people actually using Pogo styluses with iPad/iPod Touch/iPhones?

      The iPad is largely the first consumer touch screen device that can aptly be compared with a PADD.

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    6. Re:Wow... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues

      That last bit isn't advertised anywhere.

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    7. Re:Wow... by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      I vaguely recall Arthur C. Clark writing something about Heywood Floyd reading a newspaper on an electronic tablet like device while en route to the moon in "2001: A Space Odyssey", which was published in 1968.

      Yes. That's in the movie. For the 1960s movie, they had to build the tablet into the table and project film from underneath.

    8. Re:Wow... by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, the article makes specific points that itis similar to the iPad over other tablets. This primarily comes from the fact that the Okudas specifically focused on ease of use and interfaces that could change to fit the needs of the story (and thus the needs of the fictional user). This is quite a bit different from most of the tablets that came before, those that relied on styluses and desktop OS's, enforcing paradigms that worked much better for a mouse keyboard.

      Once some decent Android(or MeeGo, or WebOS, or Windows Phone 7) tablets come out, and I'm sure they will, lest someone think me a mere fanboy, that won't be true anymore. But for now the comparison is quite apt for the iPad in particular.

    9. Re:Wow... by captaindomon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't about Apple. It's about Star Trek, which puts it on a completely different level.

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    10. Re:Wow... by blincoln · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not even convinced they originated the idea on Star Trek. I don't have a copy to hand to check, but I vaguely recall Arthur C. Clark writing something about Heywood Floyd reading a newspaper on an electronic tablet like device while en route to the moon in "2001: A Space Odyssey", which was published in 1968.

      It's been awhile since I read the book, but in the film, it seems to be a reading device, not a general-purpose tablet computer. IE its interaction appears limited to the equivalent of flipping through a newspaper, as opposed to running applications.

      On the topic of the PADD, I've been making my way through the various Star Trek series, and one of the things that's really struck me is how even though the Federation has access to advanced computing power and networking technology, crew members still physically hand each other PADDs to transfer information. In some cases, they'll end up with piles of PADDs on their desks if they're studying a particular topic in depth.

      At first I thought that this was something along the lines of how William Gibson didn't think to include cellphones in Neuromancer, because essentially everyone was still using payphones back then. But after more reflection, maybe the Star Trek staff were just more forward-thinking and assumed some sort of draconian DRM scheme that locks data to a particular physical device :).

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    11. Re:Wow... by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought this was Slashdot: Source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source issues. Not Apple HQ.

      If you aren't into science fiction you're not much of a nerd. Had MS cloned the PADD instead of Apple it would be a MS story. It's really about how nowdays, especially for us geezers, the real world has become science fiction. The future is here and now.

      The same general concepts behind the PADD doubtless had some influence in the eventual development of the iPad. But science fiction often inspires new technology, and many devices that we now take for granted appeared in Star Trek.

      "Going back to the original series, when you look at 45 years ago, look at the communicator they used," Denise Okuda said. "Then fast forward and look at what we are using today: flip phones." Likewise, interchangeable data chips were used on the original Enterprise well before the introduction of solid-state memory cards or USB flash drives. "It's really mind-blowing when you look at things today, like the iPad--we were using those things on Star Trek," she told Ars.

      Drexler sees examples of real-life technology that were likely influenced by technology used on Star Trek practically everywhere. "Swiss army knife-like cell phones, wall-sized TV screens a quarter of an inch thick, GPS devices that nag you with voice, body scanners at airports, voice recognition, remotely operated fighter planes, surgical robots," he said.

      TFA is a good read and worth any true nerd's time.

    12. Re:Wow... by StayFrosty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Another possibility is that, like iPads, Star Trek PADDs could not multitask well or have multiple windows showing at the same time. The piles of PADDs may be an easier way to have a whole bunch of reference materials open and available at the same time.

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    13. Re:Wow... by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 2, Informative

      and if you heard TFQuestions the reporter asked, they were probably along the lines of "so how close is the iPad to your PADD?" rather than "So what example of modern technology do you think is an analogue to something you designed for the show?"

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    14. Re:Wow... by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except for the Archos tablet which was on the market for a whole year prior to the ipad complete with multi-touch. They had older similar form factor tablets that were slightly less capble too. Archos failed to market it properly however as most people didn't even know it was on the market until they were looking for ipads and found it. It's better in every way save for battery life which will require an arm based tablet to compete with since the Archos was built on the Atom.

      It's pretty typical for Apple to claim a first while not actually having been first. They get a pass because they made it pretty. That is what Apple does and they are quite good at it. I don't know why more companies don't put such efforts into the UI.

    15. Re:Wow... by kryliss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Multiple PADDs would be to them like multiple monitors are to many of us. As for why they don't just transfer the info from one PADD to another, it could be a "laziness" factor. Instead of transfering the info, opening the "file" on the other PADD then going to the section of info that they are talking about it's easier to just hand them the PADD with the info already displayed. Also... for the viewer it wouldn't be too much excitement to watch them hitting buttons to transfer the info, download, open etc.... to much other plot to get to before the commercial.

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    16. Re:Wow... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's designed to be just that - an applicance. But underneath it is a full featured UNIX machine, if you so desire.

    17. Re:Wow... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's the wonderful place called wikipedia that provides a history of tablets, which predates iPad by almost three decades. Just like with the iPod Apple has successfully rewritten history to make everyone believe the iPod was the first MP3 player (it wasn't). Now they've convinced people the iPad was first, but it was not.

      1950s- Tom Dimond demonstrates the Styalator electronic tablet with pen for computer input and software for recognition of handwritten text in real-time

      1968 - The movie 2001 includes wireless iPad like devices for watching videos or doing work.

      early 80s - KoalaPad - drawing pad designed for use with Atari, Commodore, and Apple -bit computers

      1985 - Pencept and CIC both offer PC computers for the consumer market using a tablet and handwriting recognition instead of a keyboard and mouse. Operating system is MS-DOS.

      1989 - The first commercially available tablet-type portable computer was the GRiDPad[27] from GRiD Systems, released in September. Its operating system was based on MS-DOS.

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    18. Re:Wow... by dangitman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's pretty typical for Apple to claim a first while not actually having been first

      Actually, it's not. I'll wait while you go and find some actual examples...

      Came up empty, huh? In fact, what's common is for bashers to claim Apple claimed a first, when Apple never did claim a first. For example, Apple never claimed they invented the touch-screen tablet computer. Yet you say they did. Why?

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    19. Re:Wow... by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually I didn't say that Apple invented the touch-screen tablet. That was an invention entirely your own.

      Apple claimed to the be the first computer to run without a floppy disk drive. This was entirely incorrect as there were plenty of disk-less machines that booted via PXE.

      They claimed that they invented multi-touch which they then went an patented except that they didn't invent it and in fact purchased it in true 90's era Microsoft style.

      Apple in many ways is behaving like Microsoft in the 1990s. They buy what they want, then take all the credit. It worked for Microsoft, it'll work for Apple.

    20. Re:Wow... by lxs · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry. We're having a heated argument about the capabilities of fictional devices in Star Trek. That's pretty much the definition of old school Slashdot.

      Of course if Amiga had made a tablet running BeOS the late nineties would be back and in effect.

    21. Re:Wow... by Moridineas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're saying the Ipad is good, because a real device produced by a billion dollar company, is better than a fictional device that visual effects guys tried to come up with, 23 years ago, and on presumably a much smaller budget than Apple R&D for those effects? I mean, are you expecting that when we see special effects, the guys are actually meant to implement the device for real, and you're suprised that when actual products come out decades later, they might work properly?

      I think you're confused, or replying to the wrong post? *I'm* not saying any of those things, the parts of my post with the little grey line in front of them are quotes from if you had RTFA.

      Well, I know the Ipad's turned out to be a bit of a wet blanket after those months of hype how it would revolutionise mobile computing. But I never thought I'd see it get to the stage of touting the Ipad because it's better than what the visual effects guys cobbled together 23 years ago for a Star Trek.

      I thought you might like to know the name of the product is "iPad" btw. If you're going to capitalize, that's the proper capitalization, though of course ipad is perfectly acceptable. Ipad just makes you seem like a hater. The iPad is pretty nice. I like mine a lot. I don't know if it will revolutionize mobile computing, but it has changed how I use computers a lot.

      And yes, there are other tablets besides the Ipad, as people have pointed out in comments. You just don't hear about them, because the media coverage is for nothing but Apple.

      They also tend to be significantly bulkier, have much worse battery life, and generally considered harder to use (not Android based). They are also cheaper, yes.

  2. two words: by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Prior Art!

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  3. not quite. by Triv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dunno, it seems to me the iPad and the PADD aren't particularly analogous. iPads are interactive application frameworks; PADDs were usually only used exactly the same way paper is - "look at this data from Omicron Persei 8!" *hands it over. *Reads. "My god. The borometric field is fluctuating!" You rarely saw data uploaded to a PADD and you never saw it running complex applications or interacting with the world; that's what Tricorders were for.

    A PADD was a clipboard, just future-visioned. It served exactly the same purpose, plot-wise, as all the paper in the new Battlestar Galactica being octagonal - it show you you were in a different world.

    1. Re:not quite. by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Informative

      You rarely saw data uploaded to a PADD and you never saw it running complex applications or interacting with the world; that's what Tricorders were for.

      All it really took was reading the article for several examples of how that's not true.

    2. Re:not quite. by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I dunno, it seems to me the iPad and the PADD aren't particularly analogous. iPads are interactive application frameworks; PADDs were usually only used exactly the same way paper is

      Usually, but not always. ISTR them being used interactively during engineering diagnostics and for data entry in Sickbay.
       
      I do recall an interview in the early 90's where Micheal Okuda stated that a PADD could act like any main display [like the ones on the bridge] and thus, in theory, one could operate the entire ship while strolling down a corridor with a PADD in hand. My copies of the technical manual have long since been consigned to the basement, but I believe those [theoretical] capabilities were discussed there as well.

    3. Re:not quite. by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Funny

      "A PADD was a clipboard, just future-visioned. It served exactly the same purpose, plot-wise, as all the paper in the new Battlestar Galactica being octagonal - it show you you were in a different world."

      Agreed. Seems to me that it would be obvious that future technology would evolve beyond using dead trees with black powder stuck to it.

      The technology that annoyed me the most about Star Trek and TNG was cameras. Here you're sending people over to strange ships and planets and asking "What's going on? Can you describe to me what you see?" Give me a break! 400 years in the future and they can't envision wireless video, but wireless audio is everywhere.

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    4. Re:not quite. by Triv · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's ONE concrete example of a PADD being used for anything other than reading text in that article (two if you count the "predictive text input" thing, which I'm not sure I buy as a stand-alone app) and it's from DS9, and it was a plot-point - Sisko was using it as an Identikit to piece together the face of a woman he thought he saw. The rest of it is Okuda talking about how he envisioned PADDs being used rather than how they were portrayed.

      I'm just sayin' - most of the time they were used to further the plot in a paperless future-world. The rest isn't especially canonical as it wasn't actually shown on-screen.

  4. Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by trickofperspective · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I can casually toss it onto my desk like Picard without worrying about the thing shattering, it will have officially replaced books.

    1. Re:Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by jbarr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great observation!

      Current technology in the iPad, while quite decent, is still quite fragile. I was discussing the pros and cons of the Kindle and the iPad to some family members, and they were asking what were some of the "cons" of these devices. Among other things, I said, "Well, you can step on a book and it won't shatter, you can drop a book in a puddle, shake it off, and it's usually still readable." The point being that books, while taking up far more space than e-versions, they are amazingly rugged and durable--something that the likes of the Kindle or iPad can't yet claim.

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    2. Re:Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by Major+Downtime · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tossing it onto your desk like Picard without worrying about the thing Shatnering ?

    3. Re:Rubric for e-reader ubiquity by FuckingNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, to casually toss Picard onto my desk...

  5. iPad vs PADD by a_nonamiss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always just took it as a given that the PADD was a large part of the inspiration behind the iPad. I mean, even the name pays homage. I can easily envision someone like Steve Jobs sitting down with a designer and some episodes of ST:TNG and saying "Now make me on of those".

    It's pretty apparent that the set designers on ST:TNG were visionaries. It's pretty difficult to accurately envision the future, even if it's only 20 years ahead of time. Credit needs to be given to those guys. I just hope that Apple had the decency to give them free iPads when they were released.

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  6. Very simple by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPad is EXACTLY what the PADD would have been had the Ferengi designed it instead of someone in the Federation.

    1. Re:Very simple by Wh15per · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Steve Jobs does have big ears...

    2. Re:Very simple by Bemopolis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whereas Microsoft Courier is exactly what the PADD would have been had the Pakleds designed it.

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    3. Re:Very simple by darien.train · · Score: 2, Funny

      The iPad is EXACTLY what the PADD would have been had the Ferengi designed it instead of someone in the Federation.

      Yes! Although the Ferengi would have gone the other way on the "Freedom from Porn" thing. They would have banned all apps that feature women in clothing.

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  7. The iPad's future by CaseM · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't predict the future, but I'm quite sure Steve's Job's brain, submerged in a nutrient-rich emulsion, will be wheeled out at the 2200 WWDC to announce the new iPad.

  8. I must have missed that episode by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    These mobile computing terminals bear a striking resemblance to Apple's iPad

    Perhaps it depends on the level at which you judge things. For me, for something to "resemble an iPad," it needs to have a third party inserted between the developer and the user.

    Geordi: "Hey, what if we reroute The Borg's root command through the subspace neutrino beam? Their ship will collapse like a house of balloons!"
    Riker: "Checkmate!"
    Picard: "Mr. Data, make it so."
    Data: "Aye aye, captain." [fingers blur on PADD, then stop. Data just sits there.]
    Picard: "Mr. Data?"
    Data: "Yes, captain?"
    Picard: "Are you ready?!"
    Data: "Waiting for software approval by the Ferengi, sir."
    Picard: *sigh* "Initiate auto-destruct sequence."

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    1. Re:I must have missed that episode by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair, if the ship self-destructed while people still had files open for writing, or other half-finished unrollbackable transactions, there could be some data loss/corruption.

      That would be a good plot. Captain orders destruct, but computer refuses to obey until everyone saves their work. The captain goes around the ship, making people exit their apps, and in the course of doing that, he happens to solve the problem that made him want to destruct in the first place. ("Mr. Worf, I need you to exit Filemaker. Wait, you're not Mr. Worf. Security, I've found the intruder!!") He wants to call off the destruct, but the process doesn't answer; it's unkillable and waiting for one last user to close his files. So from then on, that user has to keep that app running all the time, or else the ship will explode.

      Next season there's an episode where that user's workstation is under virus attack ("Lt. Barklay, I told you to stop saving other people's holodeck sessions to your flash drive and taking the back to your workstation to watch! 'This session requires an advanced holodeck playback CODEC' and you believed that?"), and they finally manage to migrate the app-which-is-holding-open-the-file into some VM where it's put to sleep forever (alongside Dr. Moriarty).

      Forever, that is, until the next episode about the several-year-old unabortable destruct order, and the one open file that keeps it from running.

      LaForge: "Captain! I just tested my backups for the first time in two years and it turns out we don't have backups for anything that comes after that always-open file in the directory!"
      Riker: "We're going to have to re-order the directory."
      LaForge: "But commander, it's a hash table!"
      Picard: "Data, I need you to rename all our files so that their hash values come before 0xdeadbeef. Then we'll softlink the old filenames to the new ones."
      LaForge: "And you expect me to maintain this system for how much longer?"
      Riker: "Maybe we ought to let the self-destruct finish."
      Picard: "Number one, I think you're on to something."
      Riker: "Captain, I was jo--"
      Picard: "Data, can you write an emulator for the self-destruct hardware?"
      Data: "No, the Ferengi don't allow emulators." (ZING! Apple, did you think I forgot about you? This all started as a flame, you know.)

      And on and on and on., good grief it would never have to end.

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  9. It's amazing really by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's amazing how much you can 'predict' given nearly a quarter century of hindsight. Not to mention that much of this technology is older than Okuda & Co. would have you believe.

    I saw my first flat screen display with software configurable buttons in 1982, as this was the interface used to operate the simulation computers that drove the trainers for the MK88/2 and MK98/0 (Trident Backfit and Trident-I respectively) missile fire and launch control systems. (Though the screens were activated via a stylus rather than true touch screens.) The systems weren't new even then, they were at least six years old. (And thus designed even earlier.) For that matter, the many of the 'buttons' on the fire control console themselves (whose design dates to the early/mid 1970's) were actually miniaturized slide projectors that could display different messages under software control. Heck, the MK88/1 Poseidon system could (under software control) display different colors on a single button (though not different message text as the 88/2 and 98 could) as far back as the late 60's.

    There's also sonar and torpedo fire control equipment from the same (early 70's) era with software configurable interfaces.

    For that matter, as early as my VIC-20, the buttons on the keyboard could do various things depending on the software that was running at the time.

  10. Re:I'm still waiting for my Apple Tr-iCorder by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are terrain and weather apps right now. Two out of three!

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  11. Nah. It'd be Gates yelling ... by crovira · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Make it look more like the Mac."

    The PADD is just the display portion of the iPad.

    It would have come as a very great surprise to people in the 80s how microelectronics have changed the face what is actually possible.

    The limitations of the iPad are ones of the physical limitations of human being holding them.

    Your arms are only so strong, so long and so jointed.

    The electronics and computing power we can cram into those dimensions may grow as Moore's Law continues apace but our arms and our eyes aren't going to change.

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  12. not just star trek by emagery · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note the early appearance of an iPad concept in Demolition Man

    1. Re:not just star trek by ShadowFalls · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought that was the early appearance of the creative use of sea shells?

  13. Ziggy the smartphone? by eshbums · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe Al wouldn't have needed to beat on Ziggy all the time on Quantum Leap if he wouldn't cover up the antenna with his cigar hand.

  14. Re:Errors in the article. by Tom9729 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Good catch. It's from the episode Babel.

    http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/405.htm

  15. Re:PADD... by hitmark · · Score: 2, Funny

    nah, the drm just didnt allow it to be downloaded anywhere else but astrometrics.

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  16. 23 Years... LATER? by tekrat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Twenty Three years later than what? Maybe you mean 23 years *after* Stanley Kubrick envisioned the iPad in 1968 for the movie 2001?

    Stanley was off by only 9 years, a pretty good prediction, and unlike Star Trek, which almost never showed anything on the PADD, in 2001, the characters are shown watching full-screen, wirelessly streamed video to the tablet.

    Frankly, the PADD was a easy device to envision, especially since you see Kirk dealing with essentially the same device in almost every TOS episode (It's a clipboard with lights).

    And for some reason, the best part about TOS was gone from every Rick Berman Star Trek that followed: the background jibber-jabber on the bridge, that stuff about "gravity is down to point-eight" that is heard to make the bridge sound like there's A LOT going on... All the other bridges are dead-quiet, even the "earlier" NX-01 Enterprise.

    Anyhow; Point is: Nothing new under the sun, and, to anyone who keeps his eyes open, this stuff has been around since long before ST:TNG, it's just that the internet kiddies only remember TNG because that's what *they* grew up with.

    Now Get Off My Lawn.

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  17. Re:PADD: CS by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the really interesting thing here is that some big and well funded companies have been trying to sell tablet computers for over a decade, yet never made the same decision concerning the form factor that was obvious to a art director for a TV show twenty years ago. Basically that a computing device accessed via a touchscreen should have an interface specifically designed to be operated via a touchscreen. That is the big difference between the iPad and the tablets that came before it. And also one of the big differences between the PADD and most of the tablets we've seen in the real world.

    And I'd argue that it's not necessarily the job of computer scientists to make computing more friendly. They should be working on making software more efficient and powerful. Interface designers should be the ones worrying about making it more friendly. There is of course overlap and cross-communication between the two disciplines, but interface design is important enough that people should dedicate their work specifically to it.

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  18. and G0atse by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Trek also predicted g0atse when Spock looked into that secret glowing box and went nuts.

  19. It's ease of access by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Same reason I keep a note pad next to the keyboard when programming: I'm faster when I can glance at something instead of switching windows.

    I do hope in the next 500 years though they come-up with something better though. Pinch and move a-la iPad is neat, but I still can't fit everything I need into one spot.

    -Matt

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  20. The ONLY thing? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only things an iPad (or iPhone/iPod touch) has more in common with PADD's are ... touch sensitive screens

    The ONLY thing?

    That turns out to be EVERYTHING.

    As for the article, one of the reasons a lot of people like the iPad is that it's Stark Trek UI brought to life. I can't help be repeat the quote from Penny Arcade here:

    I have been waiting for the ability to manipulate technology by pressing dynamic symbols for basically ever. If you find such things unpleasant, then I suggest you develop a taste for forced labor because by the year twenty-twenty all that sneer is going to get you is a slot in the underclass boiling corpses. Get with the fucking program. Come and touch the neon glyphs.

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  21. Totally false! They are, after all, an Enterprise by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Data: "Aye aye, captain." [fingers blur on PADD, then stop. Data just sits there.]
    Picard: "Mr. Data?"
    Data: "Yes, captain?"
    Picard: "Are you ready?!"

    Data: "Custom software deployed sir. Enemy ship collapsing"

    How is this possible?

    Because of course they are members of the iPhone Enterprise development program and can thus enjoy in-ship distribution... :-)

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  22. Probably a lot by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, on topic, I actually can't help but wonder how much (not if) they copied from ST

    As was pointed out, the very name was from Star Trek... actually I'm amazed that connection was not made more commercially, but perhaps that would have meant a large battle with the Star Trek lawyers.

    The actual elements though, I think that it follows someone seriously thinking about use of the thing and logical layouts as set designers did years ago, would hit on similar conventions to someone building the device in practice.

    But, many of those that have "all that sneer" are still going to be creating the actual tech that everyone else uses.

    It seems that way now but long term I'm not sure how true that will be.

    I mean, I'm not doing assembly anymore...

    However the death of textual interfaces has long been predicted and I still use a bash shell heavily every day, so I'm not willing to commit 100% to that as THE future.

    The thing of it is, that those sneering aren't the ones who are going to be creating for the new tech because they have no respect for it. Most developers have embraced touch screen interfaces a this point, I would not claim they are "sneering" any longer. They just see it as one aspect of computing but (as you do) the other aspects will remain. I think they will remain but it is question of degree to which that is true. The future may be more like the past, where once only geeks really had "computers" (like Sun workstations and CAD stations and the like) and the rest of the world has computing devices.

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  23. Re:Modernizing textual inferfaces by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not claiming Emacs is perfect

    Now just stop right there, I'll say in fact it is. :-)

    One idea I've had for a terminal application on a touch screen device is something where the auto-completion is context sensitive to the commands - so it would complete commands, then arguments within commands and so on. Like you say, kind of like emacs (or even shell) completion but going further down to every possible item you could type.

    One other thing I think could be done is a virtual keyboard specifically designed to enter regular expressions. I have not thought it through much but it just seems like some sort of augmented regular expression builder could be very, very powerful...

    I think there's good potential there that's been left largely untapped.

    That's really true, there's still a ton of optimization to be had around touch screen entry of very context specific textual data. I totally agree with what you are saying that textual interfaces for specific contexts is not given as much respect as it should be.

    That's why I so like virtual keyboards, because they offer the ability to fully customize text entry (even dynamically) for specific tasks.

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