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Gestures With Multitouch In Ubuntu 10.10
jitendraharlalka writes "Mark Shuttleworth recently announced on his blog that the first cut of Canonical's UTouch framework is ready and will be available in Ubuntu Maverick. He goes on to talk about the development of 'touch language' by the design team. The 'touch language' will allow the chaining of basic gestures to create complex gestures. The approach is quite different from the single magic gestures implemented elsewhere. In Maverick, a few Gtk applications will support gesture-based scrolling."
Maybe I can stop using the same gesture when my wifi card does not work.
Other than specialty devices, hardware support is not even on the map.
I believe W7 already supports multitouch, joining the mac bandwagon. So, how long until non-laptops, non-cellphones start shipping with that, so that we can see an explosion in programmer response and API's?
Oh, and while we wait, it'd be good to find where I can buy a USB pad currently to add multi-touch support for a Windows desktop. Thanks
Having tried multitouch, it's useless in the long term. It is a nice gimmick to show in an advertisement, but for using it for longer than 15 minutes at a time, it's not a good idea -- you'll hand will get sore in no time.
Even for mobile devices, there is simply no better thing than the good old keyboard. If you try the on-screen touch thingy on an iPad or most Androids, it may be enough for typing a single line of text. On an N900 with a proper physical keyboard, you're in good shape after several hours of typing. And since you can't have that many distinct gestures, traditional keyboard shortcuts are so much better.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
So ... as a hint ... if you want to copy Apple ... good for you, no problem with that I'm all for it ... but maybe you might want to consider WHY they do so well.
And ... GPLv3 so I have to wait for something with license I can use safely in anything because I'm not going to be bothered to learn another SDK and framework that I can only use in apps that I give away. I know I can't give away the only other real alternative out there but I don't care because I can sell those apps and make a fortune.
If you want people to use things like this then maybe you want to look at why people like the existing ones and why so many apps exist for the existing frameworks ... People don't use the iPhone and love its multitouch because of its 'tech specs', developers nor users.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
where I can buy a USB pad currently to add multi-touch support for a Windows desktop. Thanks
From Wacom. I have one of these, and use it on a Windows system. I haven't plugged it into my Lucid system...yet.
I need trepanation like I need a hole in the head.
Can I get the companion release: Ubuntu Iceman?
The ol' "nullo" copy-pasta.
Haven't seen it in a while.
I believe it was right around $1000, looked ridiculously like an iMAC and ran Win 7. I remember touching it at the store and being like "wow, now if this was only useful...."
They are introducing multi-touch in 10.10 because in 11.04 the close and minimize buttons
will run around the borders of your windows and you'll need two hands to catch them.
This is much better than the current 10.04 "Memory" min-game where you try to remember which side the buttons are on.
Uhm, Compiz useless? Have you tried it on a computer with a semi-decent graphics card but a lousy CPU? Even on a modern one, without Compiz you often have to wait until windows draw themselves whenever you switch desktops -- with Compiz, it's instanteous. The worst hardware I've seen it on a P4-era Celeron with an nVidia 5600 -- and the speed gains from Compiz there are just insane.
If it takes 100% CPU, this means you don't have 3D acceleration in working order -- or that you tried to turn on every single gimmick at the same time. The whole point of Compiz is to use the GPU not CPU. Once a window is drawn, it is stored in the texture memory, which means it can be displayed without the main CPU's help. This happens to be what makes switching desktops that fast.
Gnome vs KDE is another story... and with all of Gnome's downsides, I'd say KDE currently can't hold a candle to it; it's an emacs-vs-vi thing, though.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
While I don't buy much of the multitouch hype out there, the number of devices supporting multitouch is increasing and Ubuntu/Debian/Linux/etc. can grow best in a growing market. From a business and user attraction perspective, market growth IS the map battle lines are drawn upon .
I was initially skeptical about the Lenovo S10-3t that we got for my wife and it's touch interface but I've learned to like it. Perhaps we're so down on multitouch because it's still underdeveloped in Winblows 7 etc. Like mentioned in other comments, nothing will replace the rapid input available from the good ol' keyboard, but a new form of input has proven useful in my experience. There were critics of the mouse, originally, for much the same reasons that others are arguing here. This new dynamic of input can be more direct than a mouse and more intuitive and available than a keyboard. This is good especially for novice computer users.
The size of the iCrap App world and alternative input methods (Wii and other accelerometer technology) demonstrates that this IS an exploding area. The argument that this wont catch on in the desktop world doesn't hold either: the netbook flavor of Ubuntu exists for a narrow purpose and I expect this feature will exist in a similar narrow, non-core niche. I don't think that this is too much of 'jumping on the bandwagon' and I'm excited by the idea of chained commands to make multitouch more meaningful. Then again, I'm an idiot.....
...... and idiots rule the world....
Gestures are great when used on the screen (as in an iDevice). They feel natural... like you are interacting with a physical picture or list. I am am a bit baffled about how using gestures with my computer will improve the interaction. **Shrugs shoulders**
Hey, the RT2700 and open source Nvidia drivers are shagged sideways in 10.04 again but fuck fixing that legacy shit, right, because we can focus on adding bells and whistles for hardware that two, maybe three of the actual competent devs and testers currently own! Rock on, buddy!
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
My older (but still dual-core) yet not officially supported motherboard, disagrees.
As does my SB-Live 5.1 Surround card (works with the 3rd-party KX Audio driver if you can find it online, but lots of pops and clicking in various situations due to weird surround emulation)
Stuff like compiz and it's variants on other operating systems remind me of the silliness that was being done with Englightenment in the late 90s. It was silly useless eye candy then and it's silly useless eye candy now despite the fact that it represents a proportionally less waste of system resources. OTOH, an open system allows for anyone to make the experience what they want it to be even if I personally think it shows a total lack of taste.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
> There are still a boat load of everyday things that should be addressed
> before they start to put too much effort in bleeding edge technologies
> that may never actually come to market.
Got a personal favorite you would like to actually cite or would you prefer to just continue the lame trolling?
There are already Linux based appliance tablet devices. So it's not like this is just pie in the sky stuff. This is new hardware that needs to be supported like anything else including whatever happens to be your pet "obscure" peripheral.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Sweet, now format a 3TB partition without falling to parted... Mandriva ain't the silver bullet you claim, boy did I find that out with my netbook. I settled on Ubuntu netbook edition as I know Ubuntu the best. Hardware support in Linux is pretty flaky but it's pretty flaky in Windows too. Windows 7 has improved the landscape considerably back in Microsoft's favor for hardware compatibility as there is much more driver support on the install DVD. Additionally, the install is now image based so you are incorrect, Mandriva will take longer on the same machine to install although neither take what I consider an arduous amount of time these days.
...by apple, microsoft or oracle, claiming to have some broad patent on multitouch and/or gestures?
After reading http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/17/0437242 i'm affraid no big company can make anything innovative, without risking a patent lawsuit.
Mandriva has support out of the box for 3TB partitions, as does Ubuntu, you just have to use parted or gparted if you like the GUI to create it since fdisk doesn't support it. Your Enterprise edition statement made no difference and if you think Mandriva is a Cadillac compared to Ubuntu then I'll suggest you're the one making ridiculous claims.
If you actually read what I wrote you'll notice that I'm not condemning the entire Linux world and find it good enough for the majority of my tasks. I've even deployed touch screen kiosks based on Ubuntu that run XBMC which is a great combination so far.
Futhermore you just condemn Windows 7 despite making obvious statements that you are unfamiliar with the changes in it. You also don't even deny that I can go to my favorite electronics store, buy all the parts for a machine and that I can safely expect it to run just fine on Windows 7 while the same is simply not true on Linux. Of course the example scenario was academic and doesn't really mean all that much but it does make a statement about hardware driver support in Linux. You have to do more research to build a Linux machine. This is especially true with all the software RAID cards out there that even HP Proliants are starting to come with. I always found it funny that a RAID 1 setup with 2 volumes would show has 2 drives in Windows 2003 or 2008 while the same setup with Linux will see 4 drives.
It's not the fault of the Linux community though as that is just hardware manufacturers behaving badly. Nevertheless it is a reality all Linux folk face despite your evangelical support for Mandriva.
I downgrade my 10.04 to 9.10 because in 10.04 my touch screen and printers that was supported in 9.10 wasn't. I hope for more hw support in new version not less. We all forget about goodies when basic hardware doesn't works.
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You're humorous. I come from a Linux background actually. The only difference is that I'm not blindly following any particular distro. There is a reason that I have some machines running Ubuntu where it makes sense, others like Asterisk running on CentOS again where it makes sense and still others running Oracle Linux for my databases.
You seriously expect me to take that drivel? You didn't even fully read what the parent was saying, he wasn't suggesting old machines lying around, he was suggesting new machines. Given than ATI and Nvidia don't have released drivers for their newest cards your statement is rather laughable unless you merely mean that it works on Mandriva even if it's in VESA mode.
I think you're going to have a hard time quantitively measuring the number of devices supported in Mandriva versus Ubuntu 10.04. Of course you make a lot of logical leaps that make no sense like my statement about Mandriva being a Cadillac compared to Ubuntu and somehow that means I come from a Windows background?
The problem is that I use a lot of tools, Windows and even OS X are commonly used in my environment, I routinely get to compare and contrast. They all have their pros and cons. Mandriva has gone through it's share of growing pains like all of them going back as far as the Mandrake days. CentOS had a change in leadership and survived, so did Mandriva. Arguing that it is the best is pointless as it's still Linux, if you can make it work in one distro you can almost always make it work in them all.
At my last review I found that it paled in comparison to either SUSE or Red Hat enterprise products. I'll grant that was a year ago so things can and will have changed which is why I'll do another review when it's time for a new project.
Clearly you are unaware of Ubuntu's actual problems as only members of the admin group may sudo. Feel free to try again. Of course you go into why you have Windows credentials but again jump to how that somehow makes Ubuntu inferior.
You are free to hate Ubuntu, I would suggest it is wiser to know what you are hating though.
The fact remains that I have yet to use an installation of Ubuntu where the regular user wasn't part of the admin group. Nobody is saying that Ubuntu security cannot be hardened by a competent admin after installation. The problem is that it is insecure out of the box. Since their target market is newbies, they are therefore making Linux appear to be just as insecure as Windows. That is indicative of a Shuttleworth's Windows mindset.
;-)
I have heard it said time and time again that Windows can be made secure by a competent admin. To a certain limited extent that is true, and it is completely besides the point. It is the "security schmerity" mindset that makes Windows and Ubuntu pure garbage, and Ubuntu renders a wart on the face of legitimate Linux distributions everywhere.
To paraphrase a well known statesmen: "Those who are willing to sacrifice security for convenience deserve Windows"
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I think your confused about even basic Linux administration. Of course the first user is an admin. How is this different than setting the root password on installation of any other Linux distro. This is one of the weakest criticisms of Ubuntu I've encountered since the 7.04 days.
By default when you create a user in Ubuntu it is not granted admin. Only the first user created at install is granted admin by default and this is a safe practice as anything you do in sudo leaves an audit trail. This is good security practice by default, out-of-the-box. The first thing I do on CentOS or Slackware, or any Linux distro is create the sudoers file where you can specify what users can perform what tasks with root level permissions while denying them the ability to do it with all programs. Of course my account can sudo any application, but I'm an admin. Windows 7 is no different, OS X is no different. This is pretty standard industry practice for a desktop or even server OS these days.
There is very little that is insecure about Ubuntu and especially Ubuntu server out of the box.