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Grad Student Invents Cheap Laser Cutter

An anonymous reader writes "Peter Jansen, a PhD student and member of the RepRap community, has constructed a working prototype of an inexpensive table-top laser cutter built out of old CD/DVD drives as an offshoot of his efforts to design an under $200 open-source Selective Laser Sintering (SLS) 3D printer. Where traditional laser cutters use powerful, fixed-focus beams, this new technique dynamically adjusts the focal point of the laser using a reciprocating motion similar to a reciprocating saw, allowing a far less powerful and inexpensive laser diode to be used. The technique is currently limited to cutting black materials to a depth of only a few millimeters, but should still be useful and enabling for Makers and other crafters. The end-goal is to create a hybrid inexpensive 3D printer that can be easily reconfigured for 2D laser cutting, providing powerful making tools to the desktop."

137 comments

  1. is it scalable ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it could make a profit.

  2. All in one Coppier,Printer, Fax, Scanner, Shredder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope they have a 2nd confirm on the shred button.
    This would make redacting existing or printing with redaction a little more holy too

    First post

  3. MOAR POWER! by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

    It would be cool to see this down with Bluray lasers instead of DVD, if only for the MORE POWER! effect.

    1. Re:MOAR POWER! by mpoulton · · Score: 1

      This is not a DVD laser. It's a 1W infrared laser. That 3-4 times more power than a Bluray drive laser.

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    2. Re:MOAR POWER! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Are blue lasers used in bluray actually more powerful? I was under impression that they just used shorter wavelength light to be able to pack more data into smaller size.

    3. Re:MOAR POWER! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Are blue lasers used in bluray actually more powerful?

      I'm going to be up front and honest and tell you "I don't know". That said, I did see a video once where a guy took a blu-ray laser, macguyver'd it into a toy phaser pistol, and used it to pop black ballons.

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    4. Re:MOAR POWER! by rnturn · · Score: 1

      What! Millimeters?! Call me when we can build of these with a "Vaporize Bulldozer" setting.

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    5. Re:MOAR POWER! by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm going to be up front and honest and tell you "I don't know".

      Ok, that's it. Please hand in your Slashdot ID on the way out...not knowing something is one thing, but actually admitting it?

      Shame on you sir, shame on you.

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    6. Re:MOAR POWER! by elewton · · Score: 1
      I do that.

      405nm diodes from the Xbox 360 can go up to around 120 mw. Diodes from a high speed Blu-Ray burner can reach up to 500 mw with a short life-span.

      405nm and IR tend to be absorbed better than most of the visible spectrum.

    7. Re:MOAR POWER! by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, they are, as blue is a higher energy-potential.

      200mW 405nm Laser vs 350mW 630nm laser - blue laser will win every time.

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    8. Re:MOAR POWER! by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong, but wasn't the higher energy "potential" in bluray drives was used because of the slightly different disk construction, which required a bit more power to get a proper reflection in some parts as well as an attempt to fix problems with future RW disks that were visibly observable in CD and DVD drives?

      I'm fairly certain that modern DVD drives have quite powerful red lasers as well, to facilitate reading from rather dim RW disks. Those should be rated to be capable of far greater power output then those in initial drives.

      Or am I wrong? Would appreciate a correction from people with inside knowledge, google seems to fail on this one.

    9. Re:MOAR POWER! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      No, it was used because 405nm is a smaller wavelength, which means you don't need large pits in the plastic, you can use much smaller pits and thus pack more data onto a disc.

      Lasers are not held to a standard for reading R/RW discs, the discs themselves have a certain reflectivity threshold they must adhere by to obtain that certification. Many discs were just crappy because they didn't have a proper reflective layer that didn't properly reflect the laser back. (Memorex, I'm looking at you with your hematite-gray CD-RW that you could still see through.)

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    10. Re:MOAR POWER! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      But he should get points for a toy laser device that actually destroys a physical object; especially one that doesn't involve a fricken shark!

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  4. Dual Use? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Funny

    The end-goal is to create a hybrid inexpensive 3D printer that can be easily reconfigured for 2D laser cutting, providing powerful making tools to the desktop

    3D printer and a laser cutter? I'm no office machine expert but I don't think I want a printer capable of transforming into a laser cutter ... I've seen the Twilight Zone and this doesn't end well.

    1. Re:Dual Use? by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm no office machine expert but I don't think I want a printer capable of transforming into a laser cutter

      Not is Michael Bay is involved, anyway...

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  5. It will never sell. by seeker_1us · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why would anyone want to cut a laser?

    1. Re:It will never sell. by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would anyone want to cut a laser?

      So it'll fit better on small sharks?

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    2. Re:It will never sell. by Crippere · · Score: 1

      More so, why would anyone want to cut cheap lasers? "Yo mama's so poor she has to -cut- her cheap lasers to get two"?

    3. Re:It will never sell. by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      Because a laser makes a better straight man than a spirograph!

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    4. Re:It will never sell. by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Also, how many lasers could a laser-cutter cut, if a laser-cutter could cut lasers?

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    5. Re:It will never sell. by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

      don't be a dope, if you cut a laser, then you have two lasers.

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    6. Re:It will never sell. by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well yeah, but they're each only half as long.

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    7. Re:It will never sell. by sjames · · Score: 1

      What else can you do if it isn't making the grade and refuses to put in enough practice to improve?

    8. Re:It will never sell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      lasers...sharks

      Another dumbtard geek/nerd meme that just refuses to die. Damn you Mike Myers!

      KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    9. Re:It will never sell. by houghi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they are talking about cutting the light of the laser to a specific length. Presto light saber.

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    10. Re:It will never sell. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      LaserKhan

    11. Re:It will never sell. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's to cut the lasers off terrorist attack sharks invading the USA!

  6. Interesting note by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    His roommate's PhD project is the inexpensive cloning of sharks.

    I'm not sure I like where this is headed.

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    1. Re:Interesting note by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Pfft, think bigger: If they can use the lasers to help incubate the shark eggs, and teach the sharks how to build more lasers, then they'll have a self hosting solution!

    2. Re:Interesting note by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      I'm really sure I like where it's headed.

      I want it now, dammit! Screw those frickin' laws on endangered species.

  7. Re:All in one Coppier,Printer, Fax, Scanner, Shred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thinking of all the possible office toner accidents where someone will loose a finger
    Lawyer up
    Profit!

  8. As opposed to doers? by pspahn · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure I've ever heard the term Makers as used in this context. I was pretty much expecting to see Mark come after it, capitalized and everything.

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    1. Re:As opposed to doers? by incubbus13 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't figure out how a sandworm was going to use this thing. It's not ergonomically designed for 100' long, limbless users at all.

      K.

    2. Re:As opposed to doers? by AdamHaun · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a reference to the subculture embodied by this Make.

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    3. Re:As opposed to doers? by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know where they are sourcing that term, but "Maker" was used extensively by Orson Scott Card in the book 'seventh son'. I imagine it's a term they have adopted for use in the reprap community. Which makes sense, because it's highly applicable.

    4. Re:As opposed to doers? by cmiller173 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      see also: Cory Doctorow's novel Makers http://craphound.com/makers/download/ Decent read for when you want to escape reality for a while. Download-able in 12+ formats no DRM.

    5. Re:As opposed to doers? by pspahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And thus I have been informed. This is entirely news to me, and is certainly stuff that matters. My mind is whizzing with awesome ideas as a result.

      Applause

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    6. Re:As opposed to doers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why "Makers" or "crafters" are referenced at all in the article's context. Can't plain ol' craftspeople, hobbyists, and, well, anyone with the inclination use these things as well? Or does one need special trendy skills, like smugness perhaps?

    7. Re:As opposed to doers? by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Who will eventually start suing anyone using the words "Make", "Maker", "Making" and "Made". I think you already have to write "Make(tm)". People who did this use to be "hackers" or "DIY-ers", but now this is catching on. The site/magazine already refers to anyone who creates/hacks anything as a "Maker", basically labeling them with their own trademark.

      I wonder is this is even a defensible trademark. Will we need to start using "Creators" as an alternative? Also, isn't "The Maker" already kind of prior art?

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    8. Re:As opposed to doers? by IorDMUX · · Score: 1

      don't know where they are sourcing that term, but "Maker" was used extensively by Orson Scott Card in the book 'seventh son'.

      Ah, tanj it. I read that series, and successfully blocked it from my consciousness until you mentioned it.

      My first thought on reading about the "Maker" in the summary was Lois Lowry's The Giver... which apparently is only the first book of a trilogy. Who knew?

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    9. Re:As opposed to doers? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah Shai-Hulud's been around for a while.

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    10. Re:As opposed to doers? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a reference to the MakerBot. It's a RepStrap, a way to build yourself a RepRap if you don't yet own a one. I've got one on my desk upstairs, waiting for a replacement thermistor for my extruder so I can start churning out parts for this one.

      The fact that you can get one in a kit form has spawned a whole host of different printable upgrades for the MakerBot. For example, there's a set of models up on thingiverse you can download and print that will let you mount a Dremel tool in place of the print head for light CNC work. I'm planning to try cutting circuit boards with it.

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    11. Re:As opposed to doers? by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I've ever heard the term Makers as used in this context. I was pretty much expecting to see Mark come after it, capitalized and everything.

      It's quite common lately. Kind of like a more physical version of Hackers. Think of it as a collective term for people who make stuff for fun and perhaps a little profit rather than invent and patent and scream bloody murder if someone brings out something similar. Anything from knitted laptop covers to 3D printing and home CNC.

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    12. Re:As opposed to doers? by lxs · · Score: 1

      You need a good helping of horn-rimmed glasses, and a fetish for Bruce Sterling.

    13. Re:As opposed to doers? by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

      It's quite common lately. Kind of like a more physical version of Hackers. Think of it as a collective term for people who make stuff for fun and perhaps a little profit rather than invent and patent and scream bloody murder if someone brings out something similar. Anything from knitted laptop covers to 3D printing and home CNC.

      How is that different from a "hobbyist"?

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    14. Re:As opposed to doers? by M8e · · Score: 1

      "hobbyist" is a broader term that also includes people that don't create stuff as an hobby. Like collecting things("collectors"), playing games("gamers?"), sports etc.

    15. Re:As opposed to doers? by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      I've got my doubts that O'Reilly Media wants to kill off the subculture they have been trying to cultivate for the last 5 years.

    16. Re:As opposed to doers? by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

      What about "craftsman," "craftswoman," and "craftspeople"?

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  9. Finally! by santax · · Score: 1

    Something cheap to cut off my relation!

  10. Member of RepRap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking awesome. Awesome to the max.

    WTF is RepRap?

    1. Re:Member of RepRap? by NemoinSpace · · Score: 1

      replicating rapid-prototyper (self replicating machine) - yeah, definitely needs a better name.

    2. Re:Member of RepRap? by santax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh god, that really makes me think it isn't fit for my goal! Bad marketing indeed!

    3. Re:Member of RepRap? by GaryOlson · · Score: 2, Funny

      That laser head starts rastering across the material fast enough it's just what the device sounds like: reprap,reprap,reprap,reprap.....

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    4. Re:Member of RepRap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but it doesn't truly self-replicate considering all the electronic parts have to be added. It's a cheap plastic prototyper. Which is awesome in itself. I guess awesome to the max in itself. But self-replicating? No. I do agree it needs a better name. RepRap Replicating = Rep and Rapid = Rap but where's the prototyper? Maybe it should be RepRaPro? I don't know, but how is one supposed to get Replicating Rapid Prototyper out of RepRap? The "p" is lowercase followed by nothing. Not that it matters.

      My main point is simply a very cheap rapid prototyper is quite a feat, but it seems they want more. This thing doesn't self replicate, because it doesn't replicate all the parts necessary and it doesn't assemble itself. Why minimize what you have done to claim an achievement you haven't?

    5. Re:Member of RepRap? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, look what the ability to make hundreds of dies simultaneously on a wafer did for the semiconductor revolution. If one could make hundreds of small plastic custom parts at one time, it could enable small businesses to make things they otherwise couldn't do economically. I look at cheap Chinese products and ask, why make them over there and lug them thousands of miles at a cost of energy, when we could do short runs as needed here, locally and by American businesses. I have lots of things around the house that could have been made by a machine with this technology (layered up). By the way, let's extend the manufacturing principle to not just 2D axes but also rotational, as in what a lathe does but instead of removing material you add it to a rotated base. So for example you could make a cup on demand out of plastic beads fused together - which is just about what a styrofoam cup is.

    6. Re:Member of RepRap? by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, look what the ability to make hundreds of dies simultaneously on a wafer did for the semiconductor revolution. If one could make hundreds of small plastic custom parts at one time, it could enable small businesses to make things they otherwise couldn't do economically. I look at cheap Chinese products and ask, why make them over there and lug them thousands of miles at a cost of energy, when we could do short runs as needed here, locally and by American businesses. I have lots of things around the house that could have been made by a machine with this technology (layered up). By the way, let's extend the manufacturing principle to not just 2D axes but also rotational, as in what a lathe does but instead of removing material you add it to a rotated base. So for example you could make a cup on demand out of plastic beads fused together - which is just about what a styrofoam cup is.

      Eventually perhaps. But right now, injection moulding and other similar techniques are more practical.To use your Styrofoam cup example. The cups take a fraction of a second with a mould. Pop two halves together, pump in the Styrofoam, dry, release. Easy and efficient. Thousands can be made in an hour. 3D object creation is in it's infancy right now. The hardware is expensive and still quite primitive, with a limited number of things it can use as a medium. In time.. Who knows. Making a cup with a 3D printer of any kind would be pretty slow. Fine for one cup, but not for mass production. Eventually it might be practical to have plastic printers/recyclers at home,and if you want a cup, print one in about 5 minutes, then if it breaks, recycle it into a new cup at home. Someone in the rep rap or maker-bot community is currently working on a plastic recycling unit that takes things like plastic milk bottles and shreds and melts them down, then extrudes a plastic filament that can be used in the 3D printer.

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    7. Re:Member of RepRap? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, there are more efficient and practical ways but the point of personal manufacturing systems is to be able to make things yourself in small runs instead of depending on large-scale mass production manufacturers. If I have a home box that can make shoes, I might choose to pay a little more for raw materials but I gain the ability to be independent of a specific finished goods maker. Even it is slower than buying off the shelf and it takes two days to process, I don't care if it runs overnight and takes six different kind of plastic feedstock. Essentially it amounts having tiny elves in my cottage who magically make things at night without my doing it and without my depending on China and Walmart. But I understand your point about mass production and agree that one-offs are not always the perfect solution.

    8. Re:Member of RepRap? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the recycling thing is important. I was really tempted by something like the MakerBot or RepRap when I saw them at FOSDEM, but I knew that my house would quickly fill up with random plastic crap if I had one. On the other hand, if I could just dump stuff I was bored with back in the plastic reservoir and have it melted down for re-using in the next thing I wanted, that would be really great. I'd love, for example, to be able to fabricate the right number of plastic plates, knives, and forks for a picnic, then just wash them and melt them down after use. The same is true for a lot of kitchen things. I have a load of mixing bowls all in different sizes. Some of them only get used once or twice a year. They take up space all the time though. For things like jelly moulds, they'd be fantastic - you could print a new shape every time.

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    9. Re:Member of RepRap? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      3D object creation is in it's infancy right now. The hardware is expensive and still quite primitive, with a limited number of things it can use as a medium. In time.. Who knows.
      Making a cup with a 3D printer of any kind would be pretty slow. Fine for one cup, but not for mass production.

      Actually you would be surprised, 3D printing is the cutting edge in dental technology, but milling is more advanced such as the D4D labworks system that scans, designs and mills, Wielandmanufacture milling machine that is more production orientated. The industry is moving toward digital from beginning to end by using intraoral scanners and not even taking traditional impressions; the biggest holdup is capitalization of equipment systems that often costs 6 figures.

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  11. I was not aware what RepRap was by cortesoft · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RepRap_Project

    Cool. I want a self replicating replicator!

    1. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by SheeEttin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cool. I want a self replicating replicator!

      Clearly, you have not watched your Stargate.

    3. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm afraid your only choices are zero or infinite self-replicating replicators.

    4. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by popeyethesailor · · Score: 1

      How many self-replicators would a self-replicator replicate if a self-replicator could replicate self-replicators?

    5. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've met the RepRap team and I can tell you the one thing they are best at (and it appears slashdot are helping them replicate) is hype and self publicity.

      The RepRap machine is basically a cheap plastic printer / rapid prototyping machine which is an idea that's been around ... at least 10+ years before they started. The only component they can manufacture are the plastic bits. Have a look at the photo and see if you can spot the plastic bits. I'll give you a hint, they're not the metal frame, or the wooden base, or any of the active / electrical components. And it goes without saying that, ofcourse, you have to assemble the device it's "replicated". I recall someone asking them what percentage of the device they could 'replicate' and after lots of 'vision' and 'this has great potential' we eventually managed to get a figure of 10%.

      Rapid prototyping machines you could build at home - kinda cool but not new. Calling it 'self replicating manufacturing' - shameless publicity whoring.

    6. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many self-replicators would a self-replicator replicate if a self-replicator could replicate self-replicators?

      Well... given infinite resources we know that we will eventually get infinite self-replicators. So if we have infinite self-replicators replicating, we can divide infinity(end product) by infinity(self-replicators making the end product) to see how much each one is making. So the answer is 1. Uhh... I think I'll stop doing math now.

    7. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Y2KDragon · · Score: 1

      Didn't you watch Stargate SG-1? This too will end badly.

    8. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid your only choices are zero or infinite self-replicating replicators.

      Correction: zero to nearly one, or infinite.

    9. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      How many nits could a nitwit pick if a nitwit could pick nits?

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    10. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Cool. I want a self replicating replicator!

      It's called a woman but I don't like your odds of inserting your raw material to start the replication process.

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    11. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Omestes · · Score: 1

      I thought the goal was to give it the ability, eventually, to print its own circuits too. Its been a long time since I browsed their page though, so I might be wrong. Off all the bits it can't do now, the wood bits is the only thing a sufficiently advanced 3D printer would not be able to do. Not that the RepRap (gah, the name is dumb) is even near to being that advanced.

      Eventually, though, I can see a device that can build its own structural components, and print its own boards. Making its own motors is a bit of a stretch (even in mythical "world of tomorrow"), but I can see it as being kind of possible, maybe.

      The main thing that people like about it is the idealism. Its an open-source, and potentially cheaply available, tool that may, in the future, put 3D printing in the hands of anyone who wants it. As opposed to spending god knows how much on rapid prototyping now. Lowering the costs to basement inventors and tinkerers is a good thing, that may have some benefit to society at large.

      Its a nice idea.

      Notice how liberally I sprinkled hedge words throughout the above paragraphs, I really doubt anything will ever come of it, but I suppose that that isn't the point. Its like the GNU HURD, a really awesome idea that may or may not ever actually exist. The principles are more exciting the the actual implementation. It also might spawn some neat technology that will get picked up and used in actual, practical, applications.

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    12. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      The nice thing about being able to produce the plastic bits is that they are the most expensive part. Threaded steel rod is cheap, wood is cheap, standard electrical parts are cheap, but custom-shaped plastic is only cheap if you can do a run of at least a million parts. A one-off run of the plastic bits at the typical prototyping shop will run you about $250, while a RepRap can make them for around $10.

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    13. Re:I was not aware what RepRap was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, the people working on a research project do not have a complete working product. Maybe, just maybe, that's why they're still working on it? The self-replicating 3D printer is a goal. They are getting there by experimenting with 3D printer designs and methods to see what materials can they print and how they can adjust designs to use more printable materials. Admittedly, they seem to be drifting more towards very cheap 3D printers than self replicating ones... but a cheap laser cutter would help a lot on self-replication as they use a lot of laser-cut parts in some of their models.

  12. Re:All in one Coppier,Printer, Fax, Scanner, Shred by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about a button to laser cut up and auto eject those pesky paper jams?

  13. Public School shop classes. by FrameRotBlues · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMHO, this is the kind of inventive tinkering that should be pushed forward in today's schools. It takes a lot of different skills from across several disciplines to be able to crank something like this out, but once you see it, you realize how simple it really is. It takes imagination and perseverance as well, and that's hard to teach.

    I don't mean to start a "Public schools are apathizing our youth!" thread, but I wonder how many kids would really enjoy classes geared towards making useful projects out of surplus crap - a combining of wood shop, metal shop, and electronics classes.

    1. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High school shop classes have to deal with 80-90% 'thickies' who are a danger to themselves and others. Also they have to deal with children --- as a group of some thirty kids -- who each have likely never used anything more complicated than a butter knife, and make sure they don't get injured.

      Face it, the 10-20% of keen kids that you can really do something with are going to pick up more skills faster from YouTube. High school shop isn't what you're looking for. By necessity the school has got to gear to the slowest.

    2. Re:Public School shop classes. by spopepro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I completely agree with everything you are saying. It would work great if our schools were populated with slashdot type students. Unfortunately, reality is otherwise. I think if you spent some time in schools you would be shocked at how apathetic they are when we get 'em.

      However, I do think there is a serious problem with the direction schools are going with the use and teaching of technology. The emphasis has been on acquiring more and more computer workstations. Tech education now consists of word, powerpoint, and internet searches. Somewhere we (educators) need to turn it around and start doing better than just training end users.

    3. Re:Public School shop classes. by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By necessity the school has got to gear to the slowest.

            And that's where everything starts to go wrong. Instead of encouraging the stragglers to catch up, everyone is forced to slow down. In this environment not one slow-poke will make an extra effort - why should he? Whereas more than one above average intelligence student will get frustrated and/or bored and stop paying attention. Only the truly gifted come through such a process unscathed - but because they don't need "school" anyway. Put them next to a pile of books and provide a mentor to answer the occasional question, and they're fine in ANY environment. They live for learning and you can't take it from them.

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    4. Re:Public School shop classes. by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      I believe this is the point where I thank my luck for growing up in a country where kids are split up for different kinds of highschool based on intelligence and natural aptitude at the age of 12....

      I think that having to spend time in a class that still includes the morons and the hopeless till the age of 16 would be sufficient grounds for justified homi/suicide.

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    5. Re:Public School shop classes. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It was simple - we finished our stuff and made ninja stars until the other kids caught up.

    6. Re:Public School shop classes. by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      IMHO, this is the kind of inventive tinkering that should be pushed forward in today's schools.

      What?! And raise another generation of techies to be pushed around by mediocre managers' sneers? I say leave these things to people that can't help themselves. Like us on /.

      Luckily my kids have no true feeling with tech and/or IT. One trap I fell in which they won't. I hope that whatever they'll do, they'll do well.

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    7. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was simple - we finished our stuff and made ninja stars until the other kids caught up.

      Did we go to the same school?
      I recall the teacher being none too happy when he discovered what our "decorative metal stars" really were.

    8. Re:Public School shop classes. by Methuselus · · Score: 1

      The words 'public school', where I'm from, are synonymous with very intelligent or highly capable, upper middle-class to stinking rich, right up to people with title and land.

    9. Re:Public School shop classes. by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 1

      Along with high school shop classes, I want one of THESE in every town.

      http://techshop.ws/

      If there was one close enough (North of Seattle) I'd be there daily.

    10. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The words 'public school', where I'm from, are synonymous with very intelligent or highly capable, upper middle-class to stinking rich, right up to people with title and land.

      In the US, public schools (publicly funded) are what the UK calls "state schools"; the UK's "public schools" (fee-paying) are here called "private schools". Which actually makes sense.

    11. Re:Public School shop classes. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That would presumably be the UK. Just substitute 'state school' when you hear Americans talk about 'public schools'.

      In the UK, there used to be private schools. These were run as businesses, where people went, paid, and were given an education. Then there were charity schools. These were run by local communities, or often by the church or by a company wanting to develop a region (for example, there were public schools in Wales funded by the mine owners). They were open to anyone, and usually didn't charge fees. Teachers were paid by donations. In 1868, an act of parliament was passed making 9 of these completely independent (from both church and state) and naming them public schools.

      A long time later, the government started funding schools, which were called state schools because they were funded by the state (as opposed to private schools, which were privately funded, and public schools, which were funded by the public). Both public and private schools still exist, although most people don't distinguish between them and the term 'independent school' covers both. Public schools are usually registered charities. Some charge fees, some don't, but they all typically have an entrance exam and only let in a certain percentage (mine, for example, only let in the top 20%). Private schools generally only select on the basis of ability to pay the fees (although some also select on academic ability).

      In the USA, this distinction was not made. Independent schools in the USA (with the exception of semi-independent charter schools) are all referred to as private schools, irrespective of whether they are selective, fee-paying, donation-supported, for-profit or non-profit.

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    12. Re:Public School shop classes. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      High school shop isn't what you're looking for. By necessity the school has got to gear to the slowest.

      Yes, because no one has ever thought of, say, streamed programs, after-class clubs, etc...

    13. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Only the truly gifted come through such a process unscathed - but because they don't need "school" anyway. Put them next to a pile of books and provide a mentor to answer the occasional question, and they're fine in ANY environment. They live for learning and you can't take it from them.

      To what you are referring is a gift, but not as you imply. I read the implication of "truly gifted" as regarding intelligence, and if this is the intended meaning, I must disagree. A highly intelligent ("truly gifted") person may not thrive in the sort of environment you describe, because they lack the internal impetus to just go and learn on their own. In fact, being so smart probably gives them the ability to succeed at any "necessary" work in their life (schoolwork, paycheck work), thus leaving them little external incentive to progress farther. Think of it as: to make a bunch of money I need to perform X-1; I'm smart enough to perform X without any effort/extra learning; this leads to no reason to perform X+1, or even X. High intelligence does not necessarily include high self-motivation. Or, any other way, high intelligence doesn't mean an equally high sense of reward simply for doing more ("I really want to do X+1, but no one ever cares and it takes extra time, so instead I'll try to do things other people care about").

      If "truly gifted" was intended to mean people with a high level of internal motivation and satisfaction, then I agree with your statement entirely and apologize for the confusion. Such people are truly gifted, regardless of intelligence (etc.).

    14. Re:Public School shop classes. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Face it, the 10-20% of keen kids that you can really do something with are going to pick up more skills faster from YouTube. High school shop isn't what you're looking for. By necessity the school has got to gear to the slowest.

      Schools can and do (or, at least, did, both when I attended and when I worked in them, though the former was two decades and more ago and the latter a decade ago) have classes geared much more narrowly than the top 10% to 20% of the student body. When I went to high school, in a school of 1000 students, there were plenty of advanced classes that would only have one section and about 15-30 students (not counting independent study classes.)

      So its certainly not impossible just because the audience is small. It may not be in line with current dominant education policy guided by NCLB, but that's a whole different discussion.

    15. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By necessity the school has got to gear to the slowest.

      As the parent of a child who shatters the curve in every course he takes, I have to disagree.

      I believe, based on 13 years of observation, that even a bad teacher will have a few good students who will learn. But most teachers have a "bandwidth" that determines how good they are; a truly superlative teacher can simultaneously teach both the slowest and most advanced students, but most teachers are much more limited, and can only teach to a group of students with roughly equivalent capacities. I'm a pretty bad teacher, myself, but I can teach a single motivated learner.

      Most American grade school teachers are capable of teaching around 80% of their students, but could do better if the smartest and dumbest kids were taken off to separate classes. The super-teachers, who can teach 100% of their students regardless of their abilities, are truly a wonder to behold. Most of the ones I've seen have been unmarried older women who live solely to teach.

      If we found the best teachers and used them to our societies' greatest advantage, we'd raise the greatest generation ever. Unfortunately, because they focus on teaching and not on sucking up to politicians and administrators, we aren't finding them very effectively.

    16. Re:Public School shop classes. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      We do in America, too. By the time kids are eight (well, six, actually) they are grouped by ability. Now, they will mix abilities in classes (i.e. groups of smarts with groups of dumbs sot he teacher can work with one group while the other is doing independent work) until their ten. Once they hit ten or eleven, they get segregated by ability in most subjects, and by the time they are thirteen they are almost completely segregated with the smartest never even seeing the dumbest in a school as small as 200-250 pupils per age.

      May daughter is one of the youngest in her class, and we had to request the "smart" class last year because she came along a little slower in math when she was six, and she was on the "borderline" of being placed in the middle class. She reads at a level four years ahead of "average," but is only a year ahead of "average" in math. The class she's in this year is filled almost exclusively with smart, well behaved kids - and that's no accident.

      Don't believe the "all mixed together," except in the socioeconomic sense.

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    17. Re:Public School shop classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anonymously cowarding again, oh well... Lasers cut precisely, with no shredding or tearing compared to friction cutting. This is something that can have many practical applications. Using common components ( with disk r/w heads) drives efficiency and modularity - a good thing.

    18. Re:Public School shop classes. by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I've got a slightly OT idea that I think can be integrated with the afforementioned aparatus - in short, ceramic chip sockets with some solder in them - plug in the chip, heat up the cerimcs with a laser - presto - a solder with unparaleled mechanical resiliency - because the solder has a merely conductive function, the mechanical aspect of the chip mount is in ceramic socket. Any comments on this - I just thought it up.

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  14. Where can we get cheap sharks to go with this? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where can we get cheap sharks to go with this?

  15. develop != invent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the guy took a laser, and made a laser? Umm no The laser has already been invented. What this guy did was engineer a low cost solution to a process that already existed.

  16. Teak Etching! by Suki+I · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Teak (Tectona) is dark enough, it could be used to make awesome etchings for paperweights and other cool knickknacks.

    1. Re:Teak Etching! by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1
      There are lots of laser etching/marking systems that work perfectly well with wood. The one that comes to mind first is Epilog who make things that are basically desktop printers with an industrial laser, so you put in your piece of whatever and it cuts it. They're fairly cheap, fairly rugged, and do a fantastic job of burning complex patterns into wood. (I know the people who make them, and have used them quite a bit.) They do a fine job with even fairly light woods like Southern Yellow Pine, and if you are willing to take some time and install a vacuum system to get all the burned debris out without getting crap all over the optics you could probably cut entirely through balsa sheet. (Maybe people already are: I haven't tried.)

      The laser in the article would absolutely do a fine job of burning patterns in wood, but is interesting primarily because it has a significant working depth: it's designed to do more than just flat surfaces.

      By the way, if you want you can absolutely make these yourself. You can get 250mW red laser diodes off ebay for about $30. Make sure you get a module rather than just the laser can itself, because it needs a focusing mirror -- laser diodes have highly divergent beams and act like a flashlight with an elliptical spot, without the lens. With the lens, a cheap laser can burn wood *right now*, like as fast as you get it focussed smoke starts coming off the piece of wood. Then mount it in an old plotter in place of the pen, and start dumping graphics to the plotter. It's really that easy.

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  17. ahem by bakamorgan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I shall repeat what a wise man said at one time. "I want sharks with freakin lazer beams on their heads!!!!!" Now make it happen. or maybe some triceratops with nightvison goggles with laser guns on the side.

    1. Re:ahem by delinear · · Score: 1

      Apparently what you want is a juvenile Torosaurus.

    2. Re:ahem by bakamorgan · · Score: 1, Funny

      I was thinking something more along the lines of this http://img186.imageshack.us/i/desktopbg31024x76813510zp4.jpg/

  18. I'll be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    when the thing can cut through the fruitcake I got last Christmas

    1. Re:I'll be impressed by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      If Star Wars was real, the Death Star couldn't cut through the fruit cake you got last Christmas. You might as well try to hit a major league slider with a stick of French bread.

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    2. Re:I'll be impressed by only_human · · Score: 1

      Clearly then, we need to line our ICBMs with fruit cake. I knew that stuff was tough.

    3. Re:I'll be impressed by aquila.solo · · Score: 1

      You've got it backwards. We need to line our bunkers and other insufficiently-hardened targets with fruitcakes. Then, not even armageddon while find its way inside.

  19. Cloth? by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, something like this could cut patterns CHEAPLY on cloth. Think of it as a stamping machine.

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    1. Re:Cloth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or vinyl records!

    2. Re:Cloth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, something like this could cut patterns CHEAPLY on cloth. Think of it as a stamping machine.

      You're not helping the case, since I'm thinking a stamping machine, is cheaper, more reliable and faster.

  20. Actually optical choppers are very useful by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Warning: Science content.

    Several labs in my Uni's Chemistry Department regularly employ LASER choppers, if not "cutters". Simply stick the disk with the slits you want (to set the pulse duration) in front of the laser and set the motor to the desired RPM. That's how they get he pulse durations and frequencies that they need for their experiments. One could also use liquid crystal to turn the beam on and off rapidly. Come to think of it, I have no idea how a CD or DVD burner controls its laser. Maybe the laser can be turned on and off fast enough.

    1. Re:Actually optical choppers are very useful by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Come to think of it, I have no idea how a CD or DVD burner controls its laser. Maybe the laser can be turned on and off fast enough.

      The laser is continuously* on and usually at a fixed distance.
      The laser head can move up and down if it needs to change the focal length to try and re-read errors.

      The spinning disc also provides the time + convection for heat to dissipate and not melt the plastic.

      *or not depending on whatever caching mechanism the drive has...
      which isn't the same thing as saying it can't be turned on/off rapidly, just that there's no need.

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    2. Re:Actually optical choppers are very useful by willy_me · · Score: 1

      which isn't the same thing as saying it can't be turned on/off rapidly, just that there's no need.

      For performing reads there would be no need to turn the laser on/off. But we are talking about CD/DVD burners so there is a need. The question remains, how do they do it?

    3. Re:Actually optical choppers are very useful by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      They switch the laser diode on and off in the same order as the 0's and 1's coming down the chute. : ) Transistors. Is there anything they can't do?

    4. Re:Actually optical choppers are very useful by rwiggers · · Score: 1

      Laser diodes, used in CD/DVD/whatever have a terrible beam quality for cutting and a mostly inappropriate wavelength, but they can be switched on/off quite fast. Think of fiber optics...
      Other techs may be pretty slow to turn on/off, but have quite good beam quality for cutting. The most widely used is CO2 laser for that, which can take from 100's of us to a couple ms to turn on/off. With these lasers it's faster to move it optically away with mirrors of defocussing with lenses.

    5. Re:Actually optical choppers are very useful by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Yes, laser diodes can be modulated very rapidly; it's the basis for long-distance fiber optic communication.

  21. lasers, HOW DO THEY aw fuk it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so the frequency is doubled? sweet...

  22. Stupid question by lightspeedius · · Score: 1

    What's "making" in this context?

  23. Expression Fail! by anglophobe_0 · · Score: 1

    Come on, nobody else picked up on the phrase, "allowing a far less ... inexpensive laser diode to be used."? Think about it.

  24. Yo mama by Candyban · · Score: 1

    "Yo mama's so poor she has to -cut- her cheap lasers to get two"?

    C'mon. You can do better than that:
    Yo mama is so fat she needs a laser cutter to clip her nails.
    Yo mama is so ugly the laser light tries to bend around her.
    Yo mama is so poor she needs a laser to cut the last slice of bread.
    Yo mama is so stupid she uses a laser to light the house.

    Always remember the warning that is on the first page of the manual.
    "DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE"

  25. This is NOT news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, pretending this is NOT slashdot... but really, this is not news.

    DIY lasercutters with blue-ray and DVD-lasers have been around (for example on youtube) for years.

    In all honesty: I assumed all geeks worth that expression would have known for a long time.

  26. Alright!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok, so when this becomes cheap enough to replace all lasers used to correct vision, instead of thousands of dollars, we would be talking about hundreds...cool

    1. Re:Alright!!! by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so when this becomes cheap enough to replace all lasers used to correct vision, instead of thousands of dollars, we would be talking about hundreds...cool

      But are you really going to let someone shine a science fair project into your eyes?

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    2. Re:Alright!!! by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1
      The lasers used in eye surgery are fairly different. There are two general types of laser action, burning and ablation. The lasers used in this article are infra-red or red -- which is to say, inexpensive, readily available -- and they remove material by burning it off. You don't really want to be burning stuff off your eyes if you can help it. So the lasers used in eye surgery (and a variety of other heat-sensitive materials) ablate rather than burning: they work in the ultraviolet range, so the photons in the laser beam have enough energy to snap the bonds between molecules directly, through knocking the electrons involved in the bonds into other orbitals. You blast a surface with a bunch of UV photons and the whole surface basically lifts off, one or two atoms deep, leaving the surface underneath basically completely unaffected. In contrast, burning involves heating up the atoms themselves until they have enough kinetic energy to break the bonds and fly off, but that necessarily heats everything, hundreds to millions of atoms deep.

      There are UV lasers but they're still rare and expensive. The ones most often used involve noble gases and halogens, so you briefly form things like xenon fluoride or argon fluoride, and when they break back down into the noble gas and the elemental halogen they blast out a uv-wavelength photon. It's difficult to make a solid laser that can stand up to the energy required to produce uv photons (because the bonds within the solid will break for exactly the same reason.) They exist, but they're quite new.

      There's a wholly different way to make UV light with lasers, though, that just makes no sense at all: there are crystals called non-linear optics that if pumped with a very large number of coherent photons start dumping out photons at shorter frequencies: they basically combine photon energy. So you can take a cheap powerful IR laser and run it through a frequency-doubler, and get a nice green out, and then run that through another photon doubler and get UV out. That stuff's pretty much voodoo physics, and still an area of active research and new discoveries, but there are lots of industrial laser cutter systems that use frequency-doubling to produce UV ablation lasers. Memory chips are tuned by cutting out dead sections of memory and splicing in good ones, using frequency-doubled UV lasers, for instance.

      Oh, by the way, the cost of LASIK isn't really driven by the cost of the machinery, but by the cost of FDA certification of the machinery and training and certification for the people operating it, which isn't going to change much regardless of what sort of technology the laser itself uses. The lasers used in LASIK are typically frequency-doubled YAG lasers, which aren't actually very expensive in industrial settings. It's only when they're designed to be used on eyes that they get expensive.

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    3. Re:Alright!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Awesome, had I mod points to give, I would give +5 informative!

    4. Re:Alright!!! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Well, most inventions come from cheap prototypes that pass as science fair projects, yet once capital is put into the project with a few good engineers, they usually get a good product figured out, why would this be any different, unless you are one of these eye doctors that love to overcharge for eye surgery???

  27. Not on male sharks by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Funny

    The "smaller" the shark, the bigger the laser. Same as American males drive really big cars. It is called "compensating".

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  28. Surely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... he doesn't expect us to talk?

    1. Re:Surely... by kahless62003 · · Score: 1

      Finally. Ahem.
      "No, Mr Bond. We expect you to die!"

    2. Re:Surely... by kahless62003 · · Score: 1

      ...and don't call me Shirley.

  29. I don't need that many cups! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mass production requires massive demands to be cost-effective. Making things slowly and locally, at home, for your own use and recycling them, again locally to be reused for your own needs, means cutting down on all of the material and workforce transport expenses, initial investments in manufacturing sites' buildings (and roads) and machines, as well as cleanup. It seems like path to sustainable living and growth.

  30. Drilling lots of holes by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    So essentially he is making the cut by drilling a series of adjacent holes. Depending on the spacing between the holes the cut may have a very rough finished edge.
    If the laser is capable of removing material, the next logical step would be a laser based CNC machine. Basically the reverse of what they are doing with the sintering rig, but using a subtractive process rather than an additive process.

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  31. Needs moar power by oic0 · · Score: 1

    Someone introduce the kid to Nichia 445nm diodes from the casio projectors. Easily capable of 1500mw and about $35 each. Or even better, some cheap IR diodes.

  32. Laser cutter? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    How is this news? Can't you cut a laser beam by just, hum, putting something on its path?

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  33. Correction by guspasho · · Score: 1

    The end-goal is to create a hybrid inexpensive 3D printer that can be easily reconfigured for 2D laser cutting, providing powerful making tools to the desktop."

    The end-goal ought to be to create a working lightsaber! Get on that!

  34. Heralding by cavebison · · Score: 1

    The end of craftsmanship as we know it.

    When everything can be done with 3D CAD and downloaded designs in the home and "printed" onto your block of wood from Hardware House, the idea of "hand-made" furniture etc. kind of goes out the window.

    I wonder what will happen to the poorer countries who export hand-crafted goods when suddenly every middle-class westerner can make their own "authentic Thai elephant figurine" or any number of downloadable designs. And what of all those Chinese factory workers, when we can buy "printable plastic" blocks and make our own Star Wars figurines from pirated designs?

    This is going to be a whole new world of hurt for companies I'm sure.

  35. Re:All in one Coppier,Printer, Fax, Scanner, Shred by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    Mod parent insightful.

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