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Assange Rape Case Reopened
eldavojohn writes "Wikileaks' Julian Assange had a warrant issued for his arrest in Sweden on the charges of rape. But it was withdrawn shortly thereafter. Now the case has been reopened to investigate 'molestation charges.' On top of that, a new site (parody?) called wikileakileaks.org has been launched by the chief editor of Gawker to give Wikileaks a taste of its own medicine. You can find links to details on the molestation charges there."
Gawker is just mad they didn't get the scoop. Maybe next time they should offer Assange cash. Apparently that's how they get their scoops.
He'll just wear the darn condom! REALLY.... This is a joke, right?
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But at first I read the headline as "Ass rape case reopened"....
Now the case has been reopened to investigate 'molestation charges.'
The case will then be dropped.
It will then be reopened to investigate 'looking at boobs, whilst pulling out his shirt collar and making a phwooar face', which will also be dropped.
Don't worry, they'll get him even if they have to resort to the testimony of a girl who was pushed over by him in the playground when they were both 4 years old.
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Does anyone else think this stinks?
how do you get the woman to the cheese?
...try charging them with everything you possibly can.
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Note that "molestation" is a broad category of sexual offenses in Sweden. Two women came forward to the police to report sexual misconduct, but denied that rape had occurred. Thus the dropping of the rape charge. In reality, the offense is that Assange alleged seduced the women, got them to buy stuff or him, and then he refused to call them back. In America, this behavior is par for the course. Apparently, in other cultures, this is a sexual offense.
How big wonder it really is that after the USA Government made threaths to Wikileaks workers, there came public denigration about the wikileaks?
Sorry, why is the opening of a boring site by some wanker "news for nerds"?
"The two women are said to know each other and to have met Mr Assange at a rally organised by Sweden's Pirate Party, which campaigns for freedom of information and has agreed to host some of WikiLeaks's new computer servers.
Despite insisting early yesterday that Mr Assange was wanted, Sweden's chief prosecutor Eva Finne said later: 'I have come to the decision that he is not suspected of rape. Considering that, Assange is no longer arrested in his absence.'" link
Fact is, Assange stays alive as long as he's in the news. The moment he fades out of the public's eye, he'll probably be assassinated -- or worse. There is a possibility that the rape charges are meant to keep him in the spotlight, but there's also a chance they are meant to smear his name... who knows?
And Gawker can kiss my shiny metal ass. Wikileaks attacks nasty governments all over the world, "Wkileakileaks" attacks a single organisation that is already under fire by said nasty governments. I hope you can see the difference, and I hope you'll understand why I don't think it's very funny.
Governments either are or should be open, something which, unfortunately for any of their citizens, is routinely opposed and undermined by the very same people who swore to represent their fellow citizens, uphold the law and respect democratic values. Sites such as wikileaks are here to enforce the rules of government that those who managed to find themselves in positions of power and influence actively push to quench or undermine.
The main point is that governments must and should follow the law, which forcefully means that their actions must be free from illegalities and unethical behaviour, and their constituents must be informed of their actions and of the consequences that they bring. In short, every government, due to their nature, must be opened and failing to be so constitutes a violation of their own founding principles.
On the other hand, private citizens do not have that responsibility. Private citizens have the right to privacy and do not have absolutely any responsibility or obligation to disclose every single piece of information regarding their lives, their business or even their relations. They are entitled to live free from tyranny and free from any oppressive influence imposed by their government and, even moreso, by fellow citizens.
Therefore, trying to impose to private citizens the very same full disclosure principles that is expected from governments is either a perfect sign of ignorance or a poorly thought out harassment campaign based on an unexplainable demand for revenge. I don't know why that the idiot from Gawker believes the idea to persecute Assange is any reasonable or even if he decided to do that to be able to profit from the controversy. What I know is that this sort of campaign, which is nothing more than persecuting someone for his attempts to defend healthy and lawful government behaviour is not in anyone's best interests.
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Wow! So, if you consent to have sex with your groupie in Sweden, the police can come after you for not wearing a condom???
This doesn't seem unreasonable, if you consented to have sex with a condom on. However, it seems like proving it should be difficult, barring videographic or photographic evidence.
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That's great. Someone comes forward with evidence of war crimes, and all anyone wants to talk about is his sexual habits.
I was just in Denmark, a friend and I met 2 Swedish women in a bar. Contrary to the rumors, they did not have blonde hair. They were out celebrating a recent birthday, and appeared to have all the same motivations going for them as anyone from anywhere else in the world.
Let me be the last person on Earth to attack a victim, if this 'molestation' actually happened that is just awful. But let me be the first to say, war crimes are more important. Evidence of armies going around wiping out villages is not something to ignore because there is some juicy innuendo (which may or may not be true) going on.
you just had to fucking cross post the spoiler didn't you.
i hear assange also picks up stray puppies and stews them up. into puppy stew. with puppies in it.
From what I've understood, "molestation" in Swedish law isn't necessarily sexual. It seems closer to what anglophone systems call "assault". FWIW.
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(reversed): "What's the only thing more interesting to the media than a war? A sex scandal."
The real charge is "Pissing off the CIA."
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
These "charges" seem to be that Assange had a one-night stand with some girl. If you were one of the millions of other guys having one-night stands that night, it's a nonissue. If you're associated with Wikileaks, you're a rapist or molestor.
Assange was charged with rape in a highly public manner. It was all over the news everywhere that Assange was a suspected rapist. The next day, it was withdrawn, because there was nothing to the case. Now they're going to do it again. Soon I'm sure he'll be a child molestor, a Satan-worshipper, a terrorist, etc. This is all politics.
And it's also nothing other than a huge distraction. Even if Assange truly were a rapist, it doesn't somehow invalidate the thousands of incriminating documents that were leaked or any of the other good work the organization does.
People are allowed to change their mind for any reason or for no reason at all about whether they are wanting to have sex or not and the others should respect that new decision. Not having condom sounds like one of the more reasonable reasons to change ones mind about the thing.
I've been following the case and the speculation around it on Swedish forums and blogs. A story in English that seems to have what is known / believed to have happened without any obvious errors can be found here.
In addition, it's known the police officer interrogating the younger woman has filed a complaint about not being allowed to give her view on what offenses if any were described to the first prosecutor and that her colleague who contacted the prosecutor refused to communicate. The colleague says she has contacted superiors and others and everyone agreed the charge would be rape. The initial prosecutor is under investigation for possibly issuing an arrest warrant without enough cause to do so and, in addition, for confirming Assange's name to a journalist.
The lawyer of the women says the published story is missing crucial details. He also says he's gone through material used in the preparation of the current law on rape in Sweden. To the question of why the older woman filed harassment charges instead of reporting a rape, he replied "She's not a lawyer".
Given that the chief prosecutor dismissed the charge of rape saying there's no reason to disbelieve the younger woman's story, but no crime has been committed, but the organization supervising the work of prosecutors think otherwise, it would seem to me there's disagreement on whether there was consent or not. If it was an issue of whether a sex act is rape vs molestation vs harassment etc, they wouldn't be flipping between rape and no crime like this.
What's absolutely clear is that much of the speculation on what Assange could have done is completely and utterly wrong since the chief prosecutor would never have simply dropped a case where he's accused of strangleholds, forcing himself on a sleeping woman, etcetc.
Yeah, "rape by deception". It's an absurd example of the most contorted kind of legal logic that exists in a Western-style democracy. Radical feminist dogma enshrined into law. I really don't see how anyone has sex in Sweden without filling out a bunch of release-from-liability-and-prosecution forms ahead of time.
Reading this on not much sleep, in the morning, "Assange" and "rape" combined together to form "Assrape" when I read the subject. I had to do a double take.
Honestly, the guy sounds like an arrogant prick from all of the WikiLeakiLeaks (should be called WikiLeaksLeaks).
You would have to be somewhat arrogant to make an enemy of so many governments. But I think that this world-wide conspiracy to bring down Assange is more fancy than fact. The Pentagon really doesn't have to conspire to bring Assange down; he is clearly capable of doing that himself. So I'm not sure that his nomadic lifestyle and overly cautious aversion to leaving footprints is warranted. It seems like just another aspect of his narcissism, as well as a means to seduce women.
I still think that Assange is on an important mission, and it would be sad to see that mission fail because Assange was so stupid. Bottom line, this is all so fucking amateurish it's unbelievable. Assange is going to defeat his own purpose merely by being himself.
This is just childish... Trying so hard to find dirt on the founder of an organization is ridiculous. And they forget that 'finding' dirt on Assange in no way means that Wikileaks is *evil* all of the sudden. Even the worst people in history had some good ideas, and Wikileaks is a great idea for people of the world!
That parody site is in no way comparable to the journalistic right to out the wrongdoings of one of the worlds largest governments. When the government hides stuff like the video of the air-strike which was certainly not a matter of national security but a PR problem they lose all credibility with their complaint that Wikileaks harms national security... We all know they worry about their image, not about the informants in Afghanistan, but that was the only valid excuse they could come up with. Hiding the identity of the people leaking these documents that the government does not want you to see is clearly in the interest of protecting these people from attacks like these on Assange since we know the government will play dirty. If the identity of a whistleblower is not protected no-one will leak, and the information can still be suppressed by the government.
Now before you start pointing out that the same applies to the informants you have a valid point, they rightfully deserve protection too... but instead of blaming Wikileaks like the sheep the government hopes we all are remember who wrote down those informants name and address and then failed to protect that information. I am fairly sure the people of Wikileaks, who after all have to do battle with world governments and also have their ass on the line, do a much better job of protecting their 'sensitive' information (damn it feels like fucking Iran when that is considered sensitive). But since the great people from Wikileaks are all about full disclosure of wrongdoings I also think that the moment that Wikileaks pulls stunts that can't stand the light of day they will post the evidence of those acts on the Internet themselves. This parody site totally misses the point: an individual has a right to hide some shit from the government which the government considers 'bad', never the other way around!
I read the police report. He is accused of non-consentually breaking the condom on purpose during intercourse. Assange claimed it was a mistake, but the girl didn't believe him.
This constitutes molestation in Sweden.
Shut up Bitch and make me some dinner!!!
For example: Assange claimed for years, Wikileaks contributors are protected by the Swedish law, he even threatened to sue anyone who tried to expose a Wikileaks source.
But if you read the Twitter-stream of Wikileaks carefully, you will see this: this:
When you follow the link, you will read nothing about "prior-restraint" protections - in fact Wikileaks has until now no protection at all under the Swedish press laws. And they will not get it soon, because Wikileaks did not fill out the application correctly.
This is only one of the countless contradictions Assange was caught on. For example Assange claimed in 2009 a 17 year old Wikileaks contributor by the police in Iceland to press him for information about Wikileaks. In fact the juvenile was caught breaking into a business premises and was subsequently interrogated in the presence of his parents, police did not even know about any Wikileaks connections. Even when he had to wait for less than 30 minutes at an airport in Australia Assange did spread conspiracy theories about foul play and intelligence agency involvement.
I just changed my mind about letting my friend borrow that $80 from me a few years ago that he already paid back. I'll be contacting the police shortly about this theft and subsequent donation.
You don't get to just change your mind once the action in question has been completed. Then all you can do is chalk it up as a mistake. I wouldn't let someone borrow my car for the day only to call the police an hour later and report it stolen because I decided I wanted to go buy some cheese doodles at the grocery store and needed my car for it.
governments must and should follow the law, which forcefully means that their actions must be free from illegalities and unethical behaviour,
You are assuming that ethical and legal are the same thing. They aren't.
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Google translation of the Swedish Wikipedia page.
The word "ofredande" translates to molestation, but the actual law text makes it pretty obvious what it's about. See how even Google's translator can't make up its mind on molestation vs. harassment.
Sorry, I made a wikileak.
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I keep hearing 'war crimes' bandied about, but I haven't heard anyone go further than 'this violates my own personal sense ov right'. I hate tobbreak it to you, but a crime requires a legal violation. If you're going to claim war crimes, at least have the decency to specify exactly what crome you believe has been committed, and exactly what legal document makes that activity illegal. your personal scale fo right and wrong doesn't count, here. All that counts are: laws of the country who allegedly committed the crime, laws of the country against whom the crime was supposedly committed, and treatirs to which the allegedly criminal country is a signatory. Oh, and keep in mind that the laws of the alleged victim country do not apply outside its borders - if it wants to enforce those laws, it needs to enFORCE them, that is, use force, aka go to war.
oh, and just to be complete, 'casualties of war' is a well understood concept - maybe not by you, and maybe not by many peopl eon /. , but it's reality, and its part of war. mistakes happen, innocents and enemies stray too close, and the wrong people die. it sucks, but it's part of war. It's also, oddly, a valuable part of war, as it discourages countries from provoking wars that might occur on their own soil - nobody wants their own civilians to die.
Back when the news hit about the warrant being rescinded and the rape charges dropped, the Swedish authorities were quoted as saying that molestation was still being investigated. This is not a new development.
Yeah, but WikiLeakiLeaks sounds funnier. It sounds like something a two-year-old calls his wet diaper. "Mommy! Wicky Leaky Leaks!
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They can change their mind before they have sex, not after. Otherwise you would wake up the next morning, decide you didn't like the guy that much and charge him of rape even though before the night before you have sex with him willingly. That's just retarded and it's feminism. And feminism is just has bad, if not worst than machismo ... after all, there are no laws in democratic western countries that defend machismo ... but there are plenty around that defend feminism ... it's just ridiculous.
Way to go Sweden. This makes me loose even more faith in humanity.
Tell that to the named individuals in the wikileaks reports. Whether it be soldiers or informants (whose lives are now at risk).
Also, your belief that governments and their employees should have different rights to 'private citizens' is fundamentally flawed and doesn't create a fair and equal society at all. It creates a tyranny of the majority where people pick and choose which people should have which rights.
Don't believe me?
OK then: Tell me exactly who should be treated as 'government' and who should be a private citizen. Give me a cast iron definition in a single sentence.
Someone who receives money from the tax payers? Awesome, I can get info on anyone receiving state benefits.
Someone whose income is *mostly* from the government? Those farmers on subsidies didn't need their privacy anyway! All those people working for the arts and education? They don't need their privacy!
Only elected officials? That leaves out huge areas of the government, including all the supreme court judges.
Then there's the fun of how much of a government employee's private life do we have the right to know about...
You cannot draw a fair line between private citizens and government employees without picking and choosing who to apply it to (which just reeks of fairness doesn't it?) because of the simple fact that governments are in fact made up of private citizens.
Something weird and political is going on here obviously. One of Assange's problems is that he loves publicity too much and tends to run off at the mouth; don't get me wrong, I know it's important for a site like this to be publicized, but I am talking about something beyond that.
He also made some statements about 9/11 and the families, cops, and firefighters who want a genuine investigation into what happened that day - basically dismissing them as "invalid conspiracy theorists," which I thought was short sighted and ignorant; and that, along with some of the other things that have happened in regard to Wikileaks really makes me wonder if that site is not at all what it appears, because think about it:
Wikileaks is now perfectly positioned as the worldwide "go to" place if you have sensitive information that could bing down the rich and powerful, or government, or anything like that.
Is it just me or is it utterly retarded? Remember, this is not the ol' American South where most of the worlds idiocy emanates from.
So how is life down there?
That is why we can't have nice things.
I will guffaw if Wikileaks leaks the material that Wikileaksileaks is seeking. My head hurts...
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it sounds to me the rape charge were not pursued and instead molestation was opened. As far as i can tell molestation can be as wide ranging as "coping a feel" (something which can happen if you misread signals) to much worst.
After the last round of "Wikileaks has blood on its hands" hysteria I resolved to donate money to them every time there is a new attack on Wikileaks in the media. I can see this is going to get expensive.
WTF does this sentence even have to do with the rest of your drivel? Unnecessary chauvinism. You should put down your Ernest movies and Jeff Foxworthy tapes and come visit. But leave your condescending jingoism at the airport; "civility" and "manners" are the watchwords here.
I want the truth. I don't care about our "allies" in Afghanistan either. We never should have invaded and occupied the place. Stop crying like a little bitch.
Blar.
1) Molestation ("ofredande") is NOT a sexual offense, but "sexual molestation" ("sexuell ofredande") is. These are two separate things and there is a big difference in punishment: sexual molestation often puts you in jail, molestation will usually only result in a small fine (but theoretically up to a year in prison, but that never happens). The legal distinction between the two is that in sexual molestation, the person committing the crime has to be sexually motivated, which is of course often very difficult to judge. Also note that in Sweden, neither sexual molestation or molestation has anything to do with the age of the victim.
2) The charges on molestation was never completely dropped. The attorney was still arguing for the charge to be rape of two persons, while the case was still classified as "molestation" (note: not sexual molestation). The judge was to decide whether to re-open the rape charges, as requested by the attorney. This was to be decided yesterday, but since new information came up, it was delayed until today. And obviously it was decided that the rape charges should be reopened. The submitter claims that "case has been reopened to investigate 'molestation charges'", this is therefore only partially true, since the charge now is:
rape ("våldtäkt"), sexual forcing ("sexuellt tvång") and sexual molestation ("sexuellt ofredande"). This is A LOT worse for mr Assange than only "molestation".
It is probable that Assange will be taken into custody (to prevent him from attacking more swedes)... (Google translate with more on this.)
3) Yes, Sweden has less macho culture than most other countries. Yes, women in Sweden more often dare to report rapes/sexual offences to the police. Yes, the police usually actually listens to them. And no, this is not a bad thing.
Wikileaks does not confine to government data. They published e.g. the membership list of an rightwing party in UK, they published court documents of people whou were found not guilty in the Dutroux case, they published an wrong HIV test of Steve Jobs. But like you I don't think, molestation charges are not Assanges "own medicine".
This new website is pure and simple character assassination. No facts, no goal other than "destroy Assange's name".
Seems pretty "transparent" to me. And childish.
And I must say that I'm ASHAMED that any of you "decent people" could equate Al-CIAda with Wikileaks.
I wonder if gizmodo will start offering money for Julian Assange's "lost" gadgets...
:) Are you referring to the nickname? It is just that... No relation at all to the South American country (or the American continent in general).
Anyway, I was not trying to piss anyone off, I am just used to this state trying to change the value of Pi, the other state trying to tech creationism in science class etc. We don't usually get crazy stuff from Sweeden.
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There's a huge difference between Al Qaeda and Wikileaks -- one is blowing people up, while the other is making sure the government is transparent
Another way to look at this is that both Al Qaeda and the US government have a vested interest in blowing people up (i.e. killing innocents). War is a billion-dollar business, after all, and precisely what allowed both sides to sieze vast amounts of power and money from non-participants. Wikileaks is merely another non-participant in this war "market", however they are important enough in the scheme of things to attract attention from the war "market makers".
In other words, both sides of a war (the war-makers, not the populace they feed on) benefit from keeping the war going. They are both winners until the war ends, when one side stops winning and starts losing. The non-participants, on the contrary, lose no matter what, and Wikileaks is on the verge of convincing the populace of this simple truth.
Agent Smith to Neo: And all that we're asking for in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.
Agent Smith is talking about Morpheus.
Was Morpheus a terrorist?
Are the accusations against Assange real?
To be honest - I am confused. I don't know who or what to believe.
Do us a favor and go die in a corner away from people. Assmunch
Cue all the armchair revolutionaries with their heads up Assange's ass.
Pia Engstroem Lindgren, a spokeswoman for the women’s lawyer, Claes Borgstroem
The lawyer has a spokeswoman.It seems to me that this lawyer must be really expensive. Who pays for her?
And yes, I post as an Anonymous coward. This is an americancentric site, isn't it?
I keep hearing that Remy Stern raped and murdered a girl in 2001. Why isn't he commenting on this? Does his silence mean confirmation?
Blar.
Must be 1 April every day at Gawkers.
What made me laugh in the Bloomberg article was this gem of irony:
"Assange is also disappointed that his name was released to the media, he said."
(!)
Of course he didn't wear a condom -- they prevent leaks!
Please do get into how many socialist bill that have passed. I count on (really big one): health care reform. And if being a socialists and paying half as much for health care and living longer is wrong, I don't want to be right.
But you didn't say that there was lots of change, you said "how many truly socialist bills", so I really wonder what you think congress has done that is socialist.
To all the conspiracy theorists out there on this - do you really think the CIA/NSA/Pentagon Special (because their mommy says so) Activities Group couldn't come up with something a little more watertight and less ... rubbish than this? Do you really think they would have any difficulty coming up with an *actual* rape victim if they were behind this? Someone who had a black eye, bruises on their wrists and arms, signs of forced entry, high emotional distress rather than a case that hinges on whether a condom was worn or not?
This is exactly the type of amateurish crap the three-letter agencies get up to all the time.
They wouldn't bother going to all the trouble you describe unless they were trying to overthrow a foreign government. Wikileaks is hardly worth the effort.
For more information on the type of buffoons employed by these agencies, see the documentary film Burn After Reading . Seriously, that movie is closer to real life than most of the audience realizes.
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Seriously, Sweden has become one of the most feminized countries in teh world (right up there with Iceland), and not in a good way. Take anything they say wrt rape, DV, etc with a huge grain of salt. Over there, and to a lesser extent in the west, women can do no wrong and are to be placed upon pedestals or suffer the iron fist of the govt power they now wield.
"On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
But this is whole thing sounds a bit contrived, if not a bit over the top.
I think it is very unusual they would withdraw charges, then charge him for pretty much the same crime but of a lesser degree.
The whole thing looks contrived, or staged.
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Nice one. Too bad you can't revert here, faggot.
The murder of civilians in iraq? And the shooting up of unidentified civilians against the geneva conventions, making them an international war crime.
Or do you mean apart from that?
Translated Wiki.
Former equality ombudsman for the country, 2000-2007. Proponent of a "man tax" to make up for men's treatment of women. Currently spokesperson for the social democratic party in gender equality issues. One of the women is active in the same party.
He's one of the most, if not the most, known lawyers in the country.
Isn't that what governments argue? You know, all those secret ops and so on. Where secrecy is required because we're doing the right thing, honest, just trust us.
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Jesus Christ, it is not that difficult. If you are an EMPLOYEE of the Federal, State, County, or City government then your actions while acting in that capacity should be an open book. Plain and simple.
The proper term for what's going on with Assange is ratfucking.
"Remember when I said I would never lie? Well, that was the first time."
Wonderful irony. Julian, the celebrity-seeking exposer, is now himself exposed.
Bad manners beget bad manners.
I'm a very active Gawker user, though that's nothing to be that proud of. Gawker staff often (varies by subsite) hops on bandwagons, smears others, and uses inflammatory and misleading headlines to get people to click on their pages. Ultimately all that matters is page views.
I'm interested in seeing if there's anything more to this Assange charge, especially since the charge was earlier withdrawn due to lack of evidence - presumably they found some? But Gawker's motives are not noble, I'm sure - they want to jump onto this media scrum and get as many curious clicks as possible, and I'm sure they'll say or do anything to make it happen. They're information mercenaries.
So what. He'll have to sit out 4-6 games and then can be back at WikiLeaking to his heart's content.
Is she the foreign service agent or is that the other one?
(yes, I realize that could be a complete if unlikely coincidence).
Assange is on record saying that he didn't do what they said he did. If he's caught lying, Wikileaks is devastated. My suspicion is that Wikileaks is important enough to him that if he did it he'd take the lumps so that Wikileaks could stand.
This will work out well in the end. Either I've misjudged him and he's a scumbag and Wikileaks will recover with a non-scumbag leader, or it will be shown just how dangerous/important Wikileaks is that they'd set him up like that.
If it's the latter, Assange is going to be molested himself for several months by the Swedish government, but I don't think he expected this would be an easy burden.
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Same crap happens to pro athletes. They're surrounded by groupies to put out at the drop of a zipper; then turn around and cry "rape" when they don't get to hang out in the box seats with the player's wives like they'd been dreaming about. Ben Roethlisberger will be suspended for 4 games under similar circumstances and a lot of people think he did it (after a previous false rape claim). Mike Tyson did prison time.
Just keep Mr. Assange in mind the next time you hear Johnny Touchdown is charged with sexual assault.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
OK then: Tell me exactly who should be treated as 'government' and who should be a private citizen. Give me a cast iron definition in a single sentence.
Not "who", "what". When I put your sorry ass in jail I'm acting as a law enforcement agent and, as such, you have the right to know why are you under arrest, and for how long. When I'm taking a leak however, I'm acting as a private individual and, as such, you'd better mind your own business and keep your goddamned hands out of my dick.
Though I guess in your ideal world the government would be free to just grab you off your bed, hit you with a tazer then dump you on a plane off to Guantanamo with nobody the wiser. After all, we wouldn't want to intrude on the life of the private citizen that acted as your judge, jury and executioner, do we?
But nice strawman, nonetheless. Seems to have grabbed you some modpoints at least.
No problem is insoluble in all conceivable circumstances.
Otherwise you would wake up the next morning, decide you didn't like the guy that much and charge him of rape even though before the night before you have sex with him willingly.
Welcome to america.
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Julian Assange is a dickwolf!
Sounds like a movie ad lead-in. I found myself waiting for some gravelly-voiced sound overlay to come in, saying,
... Meet the cure!
Cheers,
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"A four-foot prune."
... read the title as 'Ass Rape Case Reopened'?
As with most things in life, and especially most things in law, it isn't cut and dried.
Unfortunately you are talking to a very biased audience here. For many /. types, Julian Assange is a hero. He mad the US government look bad and they don't like the US government so that makes him a great man. Now something you also discover, certainly in US culture but I suspect in most of them, is that when people decide someone is a hero, they want to over look any potential wrong doing from that person. Faults are downplayed, or claimed to be creations of those who would seek to bring down the hero.
You see it big time in history books. Try and find a US history book that mentions any faults of any president. They were all model citizens according to that telling of their lives.
So same thing here. Read the comments and you'll see most people are convinced this HAS to be a CIA (or US government at any rate) plot. They aren't interested in the facts of the case, or that Sweden might be its own nations with its own laws and its own reasons for an investigation. Their hero is being attacked and thus it must be for nefarious reasons. They can't accept that he could possibly do both things they approve of and things they do not.
I can only assume that the AC parent here has either never had sex, or usually engages in some unusual funkiness. I really cannot imagine how a man would go about removing a condom without their partner(s) noticing.
Then again, maybe that's just evidence that my own love life has been more vanilla. So long as I can keep getting my two scoops on a regular basis, chocolate sauce, whipped cream, and other condiments optional, vanilla's fine by me. :)
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
You can only produce whatever you can get you target to perpetrate. Otherwise you risk being exposed. Everyone's a little creepy, so you just take what you can get and see if it sticks.
The grand conspiracy theory is a romantic notion that works well in movies, but it doesn't work in real life. It's too complicated, and it requires too much cynicism on the part of the people carrying it out (it's hard to believe in an organization that's ordering you to produce a fake rape victim). It's also completely unnecessary thanks to the stigma associated with sexuality and the fact that pretty much everyone's sexuality is totally screwed up.
And thus begins the US government's character assassination of Julian Assange. This is going to get much worse before it gets better. /me grabs popcorn
Is it really ok to call it rape if they "did not consent"? It's better to only call it rape if they actually objected. There are a lot of situations where consent can be a difficult condition to ascertain (it's not exactly sexy to ask someone to sign a consent form).
The best strategy is to avoid taking risks with people who have difficulty setting clear boundaries, because they may decide later that they didn't like what happened and have difficulty accepting personal responsibility (like these two women).
As a society, however, we shouldn't be setting a precedent that it's another person's responsibility to know your boundaries (you are the only one who knows what you are comfortable with, and it's your responsibility to let other people know). I'd say that a lot of people are calling things rape which are really just poor boundaries and poor communication. It's not fair to accuse someone of a crime unless they have willfully committed it. Being confused and engaging in unwanted sexual activity as a result of that confusion is not willful and it shouldn't be a crime.
Go tell these finer points to the dead individuals, and their kith and kin.
Tell me exactly who should be treated as 'government' and who should be a private citizen. Give me a cast iron definition in a single sentence.
One of the general principles I teach my kids is that people who think that difficulty in drawing an infinitely precise line based on a trivially simple criterion constitutes an argument are intellectually bankrupt.
Here's my counter-challenge: give me a cast-iron definition in a single sentence that will tell me exactly, to within the width of an atom, where the ocean ends and the land begins. Can't do it, can you? You can't even get one that will be good to within a couple of meters! So I guess you have to accept that boats and cars are impossible, as they would require knowing excatly where the land ends and the water begins.
Difficulty in defining precise boundaries is completely unrelated to the the ability to clearly identify entities that are undoubtedly on one side of the (ill-defined) line or the other, and only people who've never been to the beach can possibly believe otherwise.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
Sjustegsmodell for legal revenge 19 januari 2010 January 19, 2010 en tjej håller om en kille som inte håller om tillbaka utan som håller annan tjej i handen bakom ryggen på den första, i en soffa Ett skäl för hämnd One reason for revenge Jag har funderat en del över hämnd de senaste dagarna och kom över en väldigt bra sida som inspirerat mig till denna sju punkters hämndinstruktion på svenska. I've been thinking about some revenge over the last few days and came across a very good side who inspired me to this seven-point revenge instruction in Swedish. Steg 1 Step 1 Tänk igenom väldigt noga om du verkligen ska hämnas. Det är nästan alltid bättre att förlåta än att hämnas. Consider very carefully if you really must take revenge. It is almost always better to forgive than to avenge. Steg 2 Step 2 Tänk igenom varför du ska hämnas. Think about why you should take revenge. Du behöver alltså inte bara vara på det klara med vem du ska hämnas på utan också varför. Hämnd ska aldrig riktas mot bara en person, utan även möta en viss handling. You do not just be clear about who to take revenge on, but also why. Revenge is never directed against only one person, but also respond to a given document. Steg 3 Step 3 Proportionalitetsprincipen. Kom ihåg att hämnden inte bara ska matcha dådet i storlek utan även i art. En bra hämnd är kopplad till det som gjorts mot dig. The principle of proportionality. Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature. A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you. Om du till exempel vill hämnas på någon som varit otrogen eller som dumpat dig, så bör straffet ha något med dejting/sex/trohet att göra. For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should have a penalty with dating / six / fidelity to do. Steg 4 Step 4 Gör en brainstorm kring lämpliga åtgärder för kategorin av hämnd du är ute efter. För att fortsätta exemplet ovan så kan du paja ditt offers nuvarande relation, fixa så att dennes nye partner är otrogen eller se till att han får en galning efter sig. Do a brainstorm appropriate measures for the category of revenge you're after. To continue the example above, you can paja your victim's current relationship, so to get his new partner is unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him. Använd din fantasi! Use your imagination! Steg 5 Step 5 Tänk ut hur du kan hämnas systematiskt. Figure out how you can systematically take revenge. Kanske kan en serie brev och foton som får den nya att tro att ni ännu ses bättre än bara en stor lögn vid ett enstaka tillfälle? Perhaps a series of letters and photographs that may be new to believe that you will still be better than just a big lie on a single occasion? Steg 6 Step 6 Ranka dina systematiska hämndscheman från låg till hög i termer av troligt lyckat genomförande, krävd insats från dig samt grad av tillfredsställelse om du lyckas. Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed. Den ideala hämnden ligger givetvis så högt som möjligt i dessa staplar, men ofta kan en ökad insats av arbete och kapital ge säkrare output för de andra två, egentligen viktigare parametrarna. The ideal, of course, revenge is as high as possible in these bars, but can often be a greater effort of labor and capital provide safer output for the other two, much more important parameters. Step 7 Step 7 Skrid till verket. Get to work. Och kom ihåg vilket ditt mål är medan du opererar, se till att ditt offer får lida på samma sätt som han fick dig att lida . And remember what your goals are while you are operating, ensure that your victim will suffer the same way as he made you suffer.
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WELL. SAID. thank you sir. it identifies a weakness people have for cult of personalities, here on slashdot, in geek culture, and throughout history: dear hero is incapable of doing wrong
but it is entirely possible, no, it is most likely, that assange is doing great things by getting secrets out in the open that governments don't want people to know... AND the man has boundary issues and trangresses against a sexual partner's wishes
in fact, as a self-appointed pop psychology comment board expert (trademark/ patent pending), i would say his inability to recognize boundaries has made him both a hero (in the realm of state secrets), and a villain (in the bedroom), at the same time, with the same psychological root weakness/strength
assange has boundary issues. and this has both ennobled him, and degenerated him, in two different arenas of life
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
See the thing is, one of the two babes works for CIA, and the other one (yes, the one with the crooked teeth) works for MI-5, and this dustup is the result of a turf war between the two agencies.
Google search "Remy Stern Raped Julian Assange in 2007 And The Condom Broke. Julian Assange Now Has HIV."
If Remy wants to play, he should be prepared to play with the pros and take the lumps associated with playing such a dangerous game.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I think it's only appropriate that Wikileaks founder should lead a sexless life, like a monk. A castrated monk to be precise.
That way, we won't feel jealous of him for having one night stands with hot swedes and making them pay for the privilege. I mean, Could he be any more annoying?
I'm starting a petition to have Julian be chemically castrated! Who's with me?
You must teach your kids lots of extremely random, very specific things.
The ocean's boundry is calculated by precise measurements and a consistant scientific method. Any human involvement is artritrary and cancelled out by good scientific practice.
There is no fair method of establishing if someone is a private citizen or a government employee. That doesn't come down to someone saying "yeah I think he should be a government employee"
Sorry for being a stickler for human rights but I don't believe that it is right for someone to have the basic right to a private life completely removed just because lots of people want it.
It is stupid that you could get all sorts of information about a janitor with zero security clearance and no power to do anything just because he is part of THE GOVERNMENT (dum dum duuuum). Meanwhile my bank manager is a private citizen and he could completely and utterly fuck over my life at a whim. I don't know anything about this person with total power over my life nor am I easily able to.
I'm not saying certain jobs should involve more scruitiny especially ones with real power. What I find annoying and dubious in terms of freedoms is the whole "I should be able to know everything about everyone in The Government because they're the government!" thing. Everyone has some right to privacy and the amount of scruitiny should be based on the nature of your position and be entirely related to professional matters. It should not on how popular, famous or powerful the people who employ you are.
It would have been too perfect and would have made it apparent that CIA punishment was involved. Him being taken down so effectively after the leak would have made him a hero.
The way it's done here, they're smearing him with the sex offense charge so no US paper would dare publish his articles any longer. No need to "get rid of him", and whether he actually goes to jail or not, him and the organization he is tied to will be forever marked.
Is there an "Assange" working for them that we can discredit with baseless ad-hominem attacks? So far the only entry in the site is a link to Gawker.
Gee gosh, so we didn't manage to get reporters onto all of them
The US military should release names, pictures, locations, and numbers of all civilians killed. If they don't, it's basically a cover-up.
Look, if there's say, bad training, or poor morale that's causing troops to be trigger-happy, or careless, then by all means, we should fix it up.
There won't be any political pressure to do this until voters are actually aware of it.
But if it's just, the Taliban is picking fights in crowded market places, or they're shooting rockets from among civilians, then melting back into the crowds, it does make it hard to avoid tragedies like those described in the reports. If anything, the reports just a description of what normally happens in war.
But it does raise the political and moral issue why we are in Afghanistan in the first place, and whether the money spent and human lives lost are justified. That discussion, too, can only be had if the public actually knows what's going on.
At the beginning of these wars, we were promised that they would be quick, effective, cheap, and "clean". When the data contradicts this (as it does), we need to know about it.
XZIBIT?!?!
You dawg, I heard you like wikileaks, so we...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Isn't that like going to a concert and sleeping with the lead singer and crying rape/molestation? .
So obviously the bitch asked for it, eh? Nice.
The fact is that neither you nor I knows what went on in that bedroom, what kind of activities were agreed to, and whether or not Assange crossed the line. He may be completely innocent. But what I see is the majority of posters on Slashdot doing the same thing they did in the Hans Reiser case... assume that because the accused was "one of them", that it was all a conspiracy against him. There are still people on Slashdot that insist Reiser was innocent even after he confessed.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Ah yes, paying for healthcare is stealing, but spending money on military is fine. You guys are really weird sometimes.
In the US Constitution, defense is specifically a duty of the federal government (in Article 1, section 8). Health care is not. Nor does most of the public want it to be.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
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