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Researchers Develop "Tea Bag" Water Filter
cybernanga writes "A group of researchers in South Africa has developed a filter that can purify water straight from the bottle. The filter sits inside a tube fitted on top of a bottle and purifies water as it is poured on a cup. From the article: 'The designer behind the filter, Dr Eugene Cloete, from the Stellenbosch University in South Africa, says the filter is only as big as an ordinary tea bag. He says the product is cost-effective and easy to use. "We are coming in here at the fraction of the cost of anything else that is currently on the market," says Dr Cloete on BBC World Service.'"
Molecular paper thin water filters.
http://www.waterfilters.net/SB-2-Water-Bottle-Filter.html
Isn't this essentially (from the looks of it) the same thing as the South African filter?
It's almost as if someone invented a disposable Brita water filter!
If moderation could change anything, it would be illegal.
So, it removes bacteria, but what about viruses, dont they need UV or RO to be removed??
Its just a bag of activated charcoal. Great at filtering out larger organics, not so good with microbial life forms and minerals.
I bought "cassette tape" sized bags of activated charcoal for my tropical fish tanks in the 80s. Glad to see the technology reinvented.
I'm not sure any amount of AC can protect fish from nearby rotenone spraying, then again its very hard to prove that without the AC bags my fish would not have died, its not like I was about to tempt fate. Thus plenty of opportunity for psuedo-science. Which MIGHT be where this product is headed, maybe.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
"We cover the tea bag material with nano-structured fibres, and instead of tea inside the tea bag, we incorporate activated carbon.
"The function of the activated carbon is to remove most of the dangerous chemicals that you would find in water."
1. It would have to be one shot - I don't see that little bag filtering more than one bottle.Wouldn't that little bit of carbon be exhausted after 500ml?
2. The pour rate would have to be really slow so that the water stays in contact with the carbon long enough to absorb the toxic stuff. Five minutes+ for a cup of water??
3. It doesn't say anything about metals.
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and does not make inappropriate sexual comments about Tea Partygoers.
I thought Teabaggers were all for restoring the rights given by the constitution, regardless as to whether what's being said doesn't agree with their worldview?
Oh, sorry, I got caught up in theory and rhetoric.
A doctor that I knew back in the '70s did volunteer work for the World Health Organization, and spent a lot of time in some god-awful places. He told me that they would use Clorox bleach to purify their water. One cap full for a bucket of water. It tasted terrible, but as for the alternative for an industrial scale case of diarrhea . . . it was the lesser of two evils.
So I wonder how cheap this gadget is compared to Clorox?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
I must be a conservative! Oh, wait, why am I not in church right now?
Because you're a Seventh Day Adventist or a Jehovah's Witness?
Why are you so angry and cynical and have a chip on your shoulder? Oh, wait, you must be a Tea Partier.
http://www.campmor.com/aquamira-water-bottle-filter-kit.shtml?source=CI&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=25674WC
For example, is what I have had for years to take backpacking. And they aren't even expensive. I guess I don't see how this is innovative.
a filter that can purify water straight from the bottle?
I could only find six other products that sound similar.
http://coffeetea.about.com/od/water/tp/waterbottles.htm
I don't understand how Tea Bagging cleans water.
I still do not understand the dilemma behind water purification on a small scale.
I know activated carbon is great at filtering out the stuff you can't see, and sand is great at filtering out the stuff you can see, but what about a simple water still? Once the crud has been removed by sand (no lack of abundance there), couldn't all the microbial stuff / viruses / bacteria be killed while the water is boiling? Not to mention the fact that extremely pure water can be made this way. (I used to be responsible for distilling water as a chem undergrad).
I suppose the only problems would be the fuel (wood and other biofuel consumption would suddenly take a hike), training (operating the still), and maintenance (cleaning the crud out). But this solution seems much easier than transporting activated carbon around in a tea bag...
On a large scale, a medium sized still could produce enough potable water for at least 100 people if operated full time.
Well, forty minutes after posting and *you're* the only one who's brought it up. Perhaps you should consult a professional to determine why it is you spend your days obsessing about nutsacks.
I don't know about the "nano-fibers", though I've gotten to be suspicious of "nano" as a meaningless marketing term like "cyber" was ten years ago, but activated carbon's efficacy as a filter depends on how long it is kept in contact with the water, which is why those pricey tap filters are generally a waste of money. It's probably better than nothing if you're drinking water out of a stream or lake, but I'd be genuinely surprised if it was much better than nothing.
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Better article says:
The inside of the tea bag material is coated with a thin film of biocides encapsulated within minute nanofibres, which kills all disease-causing microbes.
The bag is filled not with tea leaves but with active carbon granules that remove all harmful chemicals, for instance endocrine disruptors.
Each "tea bag" filter can clean one litre of the most polluted water to the point where it is 100% safe to drink.
Once used, the bag is thrown away, and a new one is inserted into the bottle neck.
Sounds good, but doesn't remove fine particulates or heavy metals, so you have to prefilter and chose your water source wisely (check arsenic contamination maps....)
Be very careful with the clorox method. The clorox product line is quite different today and you probably do not want to use the versions with stain removers and other additives for water purification. From the clorox website:
... Only Clorox Regular-Bleach, of all the bleaches mentioned on this website, is approved for sanitization and disinfection. ..."
"Disinfection of Drinking Water (Potable)
Also, does this approach work from bacteria to virus to cryptosporidium? My understanding is that the old school iodine tablets don't work on the later and that the military and NGOs have moved to chlorine dioxide based tablets. Much better tasting too. The caveat is that it takes something like 4 hours to kill the crypto compared to something like 15 to 30 minutes for the lesser "bugs". Being chlorine based maybe clorox could work with crypto but they don't seem to offer concentration or time guidelines. Perhaps they are just addressing North American concerns, maybe their sites for other parts of the world offer advice?
Answering my own question:
"Results of the present study show for the first time that C. parvum oocysts exposed to undiluted laundry bleach for as long as 120 min are infectious for animals. Although bleach is widely used as a bacterial and viral disinfectant, the present findings indicate that under practical conditions it is not an effective disinfectant for C. parvum oocysts."
http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/61/2/844.pdf
Calling it a "tea bag" filter even though you don't use it like one (that is, place it in cup and let it sit for a while) is misleading. Should we call it a "USB thumb drive" water filter just because it's a similar size?
Yeah, theory and rhetoric often clash with reality.
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Wrong! Teabaggers are just another radical religeo/political movement that uses misinformation and outright lies to influence an ignorant public and gain members and momentum.
Recall the recent Beck rally on the steps of the Lincoln memorial.
WARNING SIGN: Beck states "religion and christianity have returned to America"
Same old christian coalition bullshit, different wrapper: "Separation of church and state is a luxury we can no longer afford"
"Separation of church and state" was put into our Constitution for a very good reason.
The teabaggers, Beck, and Palin out to give the illusion that their actions and motivations are faith based. The reality is that they are merely whores, willing to say and do anything for a buck, or the highest bidder, in the case of Beck and Palin
Disclaimer: I view all politicians and politics with ire and hate them all universally. Politics today is nothing short of organized crime.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Not only is there the dubious claim that this will make water safe, and the implication that it is somehow different from other activated charcoal filters already made, but they stress how cheap or affordable it is, without ever giving any indication of a price. When someone tells you that something is inexpensive but doesn't want to tell you how much it will cost in any quantity, it will not be inexpensive.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I thought Teabaggers were all for restoring the rights given by the constitution, regardless as to whether what's being said doesn't agree with their worldview?
Some do, some don't. But mostly they like to dangle their ball sack in other people's faces.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
...inappropriate sexual comments about Tea Partygoers
Most Tea Baggers are back-woods hicks with no teeth who fuck their daughters because mom ran off with a bear. And they generally have big hairy ball sacks. I've seen the video.
Yes, the whole point of the TEA party is to give other people a group to demonize so that they won't turn on people in power. In two years when the presidency is up again there will be a ton of conservatives spouting TEA party lines to get elected. The people who really believe in minimalistic government and a return to the constitution won't be found in the media or any mainstream political party. Everyone in the "middle" just wants more control over us. When you vote democrat or republican all you're doing is deciding which area of your life gets the increased government control. Extremism is the only way we as a nation will accomplish anything meaningful with our political situation. Our history of moderation and compromise in everything has brought us to where we are today--a political hellscape of unimaginable proportions.
Hardly news.
"Half the cost of anything else out there" is very nice, but doesn't tell us much. Wandering around the web, I find the lowest (retail) cost to be around $.50/gallon for single packaged filters. (Which will obviously be considerably lower in bulk and/or multi-packaged.)
Not sure what the Jehovah's Witness does for their worship or belief, with exception they are always there to knock on my door during dinner and hand me some crap declaring how much better the world is getting with each passing day.
Most Seventh Day Adventists however actually attend a traditional protestant church service. The difference is they observe the original "Seventh Day Sabbath" hence the name, as the Jewish faith does. There are NO similarities though between Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witness's. The only grouping together in that they are both faith based religions, and nothing more.
The idea of Sunday worship came out of the church of Rome and was implemented at their beginning to entice the roman sun worshiping "pagans" to attend their services along with the early Christian followers. It was a cash flow thing to maximize tithes and offerings.
Modern day protestantism observes the catholic sunday worship day even though in their beginning, during the reformation, they also observed the Saturday seventh day sabbath. Today there isn't much difference between the pagan rituals, superstitions, and beliefs of the roman church and modern protestantism.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Good post. You obviously read my disclaimer being you didn't flame me. ..
Too bad politics and life today is nothing short of stupidity in action.
I have little faith we will be able to free ourselves from the slime that encumbers us these days.
Those in power keep the masses in ignorance and darkness. Very effective method of control
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
There are NO similarities though between Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witness's.
They both worship the god of Abraham.
I wonder if a similar principal could be used to purify water after an oil spill?
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You may want to read up on the whole "Separation of Church and State" thing. It was to protect the churches from the state & not the other way around. While you're at it, you might also discover that some of the individual states had -official- churches.
-AC
This sort of technology is my bailiwick. There are any number of cheap to free solar devices out there that can substitute for using wood or dung to heat water to boiling. Basically you set up a compounded reflector, you can use anything, scrap sheet metal, etc. You can also solar distill the water using nothing more than a sheet of plastic. Solar works remarkably well in hot areas like Africa.
This is some of the tech that should come stock installed in those OLPC devices going to the third world, how to purify water using local scrounged materials, how to cook without burning stuff, etc. The dudes in the developed world are just fixated on selling stuff, if they switched to pure education, it would help more people at much lower costs. They want to sell devices, gadgets, etc to governments, like this charcoal tea bag thing. The kids laptop is an exception, it is actually useful, because you can store so much text files on it that is practical information, simple line drawings/cartoons would work, you wouldn't even need to be able to read then to get useful information from it.
Reality is a bloated, festering carcass lying half submerged in a ditch of green, scummy, stagnant water with maggots crawling on its dead milky eyes. A diseased mongrel comes along, sniffs at the carcass and, judging it ripe, tugs at the face of the carcass and pulls away a chunk of the cheek and nose and then scarfs it down. Not yet sated, the mutt lazily gorges itself some more until it has finally had its fill, then the beast turns, cocks it leg and pisses all over what remains of the face before it staggers away.
Not quite, they are in favor of restoring the rights they like from the constitution, and then removing the first, 14th, and any other ammendments they don't like, and placing a wonderful totalitarian theocracy on top of it, rewriting our history, fucking all of the poor people until they live in tent cities or just flat out die, eliminating our education system and making church mandatory, and eliminating all non-christian thinking, as according to them it is a lie from the pit of hell.
Also, they plan to do so by demonizing anything and everything that isn't so conservative it makes you want to kill yourself for supporting such bastards, and their sick cruel ways.
If you don't believe me just watch 15 minutes of Glenn Beck, right down everything he says and fact check it. If he gets even 1 point correct, I would be extremely surprised. The bastard gets off on telling blatant lies and fabricating elaborately false analogies to convince people that the otherwise ridiculous is not just plausible but if you deny it then you should be stoned to death.
Where is the mod rating for "scary"? Also,
Since tea baggers can't filter bullshit, I image this causing a lot of e-coli spreading.
Where is the mod rating for "scary"? Also,
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"I thought Teabaggers were all for restoring the rights given by the constitution, regardless as to whether what's being said doesn't agree with their worldview?"
That would conflict with being the same Religious Right who Karl Rove so brilliantly exploited in the past. Rove is mostly out of the current game, but it's being played by very capable (and rich) people.
Unwitting and very earnest sock puppets are still sock puppets:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Inexpensive filter straws have been around for years. I don't see how this is that much better. There was nothing in the article about price or effectiveness of the filter itself. All we have is the designer's opinion, and of course he's naturally going to praise his own invention.
I'd rather pour it IN a cup rather than just on one.
i see a hole in your logic. How can there be a totalitarian state with a constitutionally limited government with majority of powers delegated to the states and with no public education brainwashing the masses? and how on earth the US survived the 19th century? There were no centralized education systems, no social security and no mandatory health insurance, no federal reserve micromanaging the economy.
not an USian here: if i am not mistaken Tea Party came to life as a result of grassroot efforts tied to the Ron Paul's presidential campaign of 2008 in rep party. Originally it was about returning to the strict constitutionalism - nothing more, nothing less.
Now it becomes a sad caricature of its former self as Palins and Becks, seeing the growing discontent among masses and TP's numbers, decided to steal the momentum of the movement. They hijacked it for their own goals, twisting the founding principles.
It's crystal clear that they unfortunately succeeded, because the father of the movement (Ron Paul) is not mentioned even once in this comment chain and the Tea Party is perceived as a bunch of primitive, thought free, religious loonies and Palin and Beck are called their leaders.
th@s nice.
actually, the reason for christians getting bumped to sunday is inorder to share the temple. u no, same reason mahometans like monday?
it tastes salty.
ACTUAL SIZE!!!
I thought using the sun is good enough: Fill a PET bottle with water, leave it on your roof for a week. Given some African sun the water should be nearly sterile by then.
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But then what about: the possible heavy metals, nasty chemicals, and what if there is no roof, and if it rains the whole week, can you wait a week,
Politics today is nothing short of organized crime.
Actually it's pro wrestling for grownups.
"I'm not sure I like the fugnutish tone you used in your post!" -RogL (608926)-
If my logic had a tiny hole, yours is a supermassive black hole.
How can the government brainwash a large number of people? They don't, Fox news does, and then takes over the government. To be fair they weren't the government when they brainwashed people by somehow convincing them that all of the false shit they say (literally, take notes for fox for 5 minutes, then fact check what they say. It is all bullshit pretty much, I do this when I want to get angry and pumped). Also, I believe public education needs massive reforms, such that a high school degree is at least as good as an associates now, or putting someone on their way to a bachelors. Also, historical facts, documents, statistics, are not 'brainwashing' but telling people that trust you totally false information (fox) is. Just saying.
Are you seriously so stupid to compare the US from then to know? Know if we want to be even slightly competitive in the world we need to educate our children. In the 19th century you didn't need an education, pulling a fucking lever didn't require a degree. And for the most part poverty was covered sufficiently by private sources, and people generally lived in much worse situations than they do today.
Also, I believe we need massive health care reform still, as it will bankrupt us if we don't fix it.
And I hate the federal reserve, wish our money was actually fucking based on something so that we may still have the buying power we did in the 50s, instead of this bullshit fiat currency that only took 50 years to lower so far in value that it went from a 1 income family supporting 10 people with ease and having nice things and houses without much debt at all, to 2-3 income homes supporting 2-3 people, and them struggling like hell just to stay in their home and buy food.
It is funny how terrible of a try that was though, I debate asshats like you every day, and never are any of you able to come up with meaningful analogies, actual facts, decent points, or anything. Just the same load of comically absurd points. Although you can reply if you want, it will be funny too see how identical all of you are, and how pathetic.
Where is the mod rating for "scary"? Also,