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HTC Launches HD Phones and Updated Sense UI

cgriffin21 writes "HTC on Wednesday confirmed two new Android smartphones, the HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z, that include what the vendor is calling an "enhanced version" of its HTC Sense user interface that includes everything from video editing software to a mapping tool. The HTC Sense's new features include the ability to record HD videos and edit images with various camera effects. HTC Locations, another new feature, provides on-demand mapping, and there's also an integrated e-reader and an e-book store powered by Kobo."

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  1. E-Readers in a phone by iONiUM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

    I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

    1. Re:E-Readers in a phone by jgagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly. Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

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    2. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see this happening - at least not for power users (very casual users it's already happening to a degree). No phone can hold a candle to the storage space available on a home PC right now. You yourself already mentioned keyboards, mice, and monitors as things that you'd want to connect externally (because honestly, it's just more comfortable to use that way).

      With that in mind, if you're going to be connecting a mouse, a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and storage externally to the phone . . . then why the heck are you hobbling yourself to a mobile processor with no real benefit? There's little cost incentive here - PC processors are cheap as dirt. I can only really see a novelty factor as any motivation for this.

      Instead, I see a much bigger future for services like Dropbox and having them further integrate into our devices. I already use Dropbox on the 50GB plan to great extent. Most of my smaller files like my Documents and Photos folders are symlinked into my Dropbox folder. I can access and edit them from any of my devices without care.

      In short, I see software solutions that make your choice of device a non-issue as being far more likely than going to a single device for everything.

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    3. Re:E-Readers in a phone by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      Well that depends on how you define a home PC. Would a cell phone that was plugged into a base station which provided a keyboard/interface and a large monitor-sized display be considered a PC or a cell phone? Would a PC that becomes so small that you can stick a monitor and wireless data receiver on it for voip be considered a phone?

      In essence, if you are asking: Will significant numbers of people ever give up a monitor/keyboard/mouse or the equivalent in favor of using a 4.3" screen exclusively? The answer to that is no. Will we see some major advances in HIDs? Most likely, but you won't ever see the primary interface become a cell phone until the following are packaged into the phone:

      1. A micro projector (spreadsheets, documents, and the like require a much larger display than a cell phone)
      2. A projection keyboard. (8 finger + thumb typing would be necessary to even get close to the interface speed of a home PC)
      3. A projection trackpad. (Tracks your finger motions over a flat surface as if it were a standard trackpad)

      Essentially, you have to figure out a way to decouple the display and the interface. You then have to expand them so that they are of a size which is comparable to a standard PC/laptop. Without that, you will not see any real encroachment since the current limitations of a cell phone make it highly insufficient as a replacement.

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    4. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      For myself, no emissive display cell phone will ever take place of a reflective display e-reader (or a physical book for that matter). I spend far too much time staring at a computer screen throughout the day, when I lay down in bed to read for an hour the last thing I want is an emissive screen shining straight into my eyes. First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already).

    5. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't really be opposed to black and white on a phone for eInk. It would have to be at least 4 inches, though.

    6. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I agree, my backlit LCD phone display is completely unreadable in direct sunlight, but what about a display that does both emmisive and reflective well?

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    7. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would have to be at least 4 inches, though.

      That's what she said!

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    8. Re:E-Readers in a phone by NiteShaed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll take the opposing position :)

      I like reading in the dark. Maybe sitting out on my deck before I call it a day, maybe lying in bed before I go to sleep, but I just don't want to turn on a separate light, therefore, a backlit screen is an absolute must-have. I also tend to read whenever I have a spare second, making my phone the ideal gizmo since it's always with me. Up until now, my phone just was never up to the task (battery life/small screen), so I went through a variety of devices to deliver my precious ebooks (Casio Casiopia, Compaq iPaq, HP iPaq, iPod). Now I have an HTC Evo, which is the biggest screen I've had for an ereader, and I love it.

      First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with enough already)

      I'm lucky when it comes to the eyestrain thing, it just doesn't seem to bother me much. Wouldn't a bedside lamp, or booklight or whatever you're using cause the same problems with circadian rhythms? If not, what makes it different? (Again, that's not something I've ever really thought of, I'm lucky enough to sleep like a log whenever I close my eyes).

      Anyway, I'm certainly not arguing about your choice, different solutions for different people. I imagine if I had the same requirements as you, I'd probably really like the Kindle or Nook.

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    9. Re:E-Readers in a phone by bsDaemon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To quote Gin Rummy (As voiced by Samuel L. Jackson), "just because you put a two-way pager in the middle of your desk don't mean its a computer. its a two-way pager." A "smart phone" in a similar configuration is still the same deal. Nothing anyone has typed with their thumbs has ever been important.

    10. Re:E-Readers in a phone by guru42101 · · Score: 1

      I already use my EVO as an e-reader. I use Aldiko and with it I can read books from feedbooks. Lots of public domain classics that I never got around to reading. Now I've finished off a huge chunk of Kipling, Wells, Emerson, and several other authors. It is quite nice when I have time to burn and nothing else to do.

    11. Re:E-Readers in a phone by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      Um, you do know that certain smartphones have had e-readers (such as Stanza) available for, well, quite a long while now, right? This isn't remotely new so I do hope you're just talking about it in a larger, philosophical sense of "wow, smartphones really are becoming a lot more than just a phone"...

    12. Re:E-Readers in a phone by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers.

      Ereader software on phones is not new. B&N and Amazon have had e-reader software tied to their bookstores (and capable of importing outside content) for iOS and Android for quite some time, and e-Reader software from other vendors (e.g., Lexcycle Stanza) has also been available. Plus, lots of ebooks are available for sale as apps in Apple's App Store (I don't know if the same is true for Android.)

    13. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      you mean like the Pixel-Qi? It isn't quite as efficient as E-Ink (it doesn't have a no power mode), but it does color, is readable in sunlight and is fast enough even video,

      http://www.pixelqi.com/

      Yep, I am looking forwards to that on a smart-phone myself.

    14. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      White light coming off a screen is a cooler light, with more of the blues that fire off your body's "it's daytime" responses. An incandescent bulb (and even a 'warm light' CFL) have more reds and yellows which have less effect on your body. For a lot (probably the vast majority) of people it probably doesn't matter much but I have trouble falling asleep before 3AM as it is, even being careful about all the things that people who have sleep issues should be careful about. I imagine that it would be possible to create a utility to make your phone's screen warmer at night and cooler during the day, I have similar software installed on my computers at home, but I haven't seen anything for phones that does so.

    15. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She must have pretty low standards.

    16. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well lets see actually there have been ereader apps for cellphones long predating the origin of dedicated ereaders.... If anything the ereaders are encroaching on the phones... ha

    17. Re:E-Readers in a phone by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You had better be the one to tell my boss those ssh sessions fixing servers were not important.

    18. Re:E-Readers in a phone by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that would be a step in the right direction, but I'd have to test it out to know for sure. I just know that the screen on the Kindle is nearly perfect for long term reading (my longest stretch so far has been about 3 hours with zero eye strain, or at least no more than reading a newspaper or book).

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    19. Re:E-Readers in a phone by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly.

      Having read several full novels, and keeping a library of other reference books (both ePub and PDF) on my iPhone, and having worked with similar texts on netbook, laptop, and large-screen desktop LCD monitors, I have to say that the biggest issues with smartphone monitors are readability in direct sunlight and text size. The comfort issues with LCD screens in general aren't a big deal with phone-sized screens IME, while they are quite noticeable with netbook-size screens, and even more problematic with larger screens. I suspect that the problem is directly related to how much of your visual field is occupied by the bright background, which, even accounting for typical reading distance with each device, is much smaller with a phone than with a netbook, which is smaller than with a larger laptop or big desktop monitor.

      (Which is, incidentally, why I'm not at all interested in an iPad as an eReader even though I'm happy enough with an iPhone in that role, even though the iPhone's screen size isn't great for some content. With a bigger screen, I definitely want e-Ink or something similar, not an emissive LCD.)

      Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

      Color e-Ink (or other reflective technology, like Qualcomm's "Mirasol") screens ought to be available this year or early next year (I know LG has announced plans to begin mass production on a 9.7" one this year, and I think there are others planned to hit the market next year.) But whether those screens will be in consumer targetted products or be used mostly for signage installations and other applications seems a bit less clear right now; the e-Reader price war seems to have cooled a lot of manufacturers interest in large format e-Readers aimed at the consumer marketplace, and I suspect that the same thing might apply to color e-Readers. (Though if Mirasol takes off for full-color displays, as I understand it, it probably means the end of the truly dedicated e-Reader market, since its not as slow as e-Ink and so there's no reason not to make "readers" using it more broadly functional; instead, you'll just get a tablet that's a good eReader, rather than just a tolerable one.)

    20. Re:E-Readers in a phone by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      It appears you are in luck then...they have made color e-ink displays.

    21. Re:E-Readers in a phone by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      if you weren't replying to me, I'd mod that interesting :)

      Would the background color on a reader be enough to make a difference, or is this more specifically related to how the backlight is done (eg: LED vs fluorescent)

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    22. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I think this is a great idea. Drop your mobile in the slot to work with a monitor, keyboard and mouse, plug it into something kindle-like to work as an e-reader. Plug it into a mount in your car for GPS guidance, and the whole time it's still a phone/camera/music player/etc. A keyboard and mouse are easier to use but if they aren't around you can still use the phone interface to surf the web or whatever. Prioritization would be key, so that in each situation the correct functionality trumps others; i.e. when used as a GPS the phone function takes over when making or receiving a call, and it would use power from whatever it is connected to to run and recharge. SSD type memory is growing fast and there is always the option to use online storage. The idea of always having my work and files and resources with me is cool, except for the possibility of losing or dropping it. Remember to backup!

    23. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I think she's selling herself short.

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    24. Re:E-Readers in a phone by nine-times · · Score: 1

      It's not new. Amazon has had Kindle software for a while now, for iPhones, Blackberries, Android phones, and even desktop machines.

      To me, this has been one of the things that Amazon has done right with the Kindle-- they made it so if you buy a book, you can access it almost anywhere. Of course, there's still the question of whether you want to read a book on a 3" LCD screen...

    25. Re:E-Readers in a phone by t0qer · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      I'm sold on my phone. It has VNC, SSH, and a slide out keyboard. I have a choice between sitting inside at work at a PC browsing the web, or sitting outside on my phone. Guess which one I pick every night?

    26. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's he said!

    27. Re:E-Readers in a phone by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Changing the background color helps but light still gets through, put your monitor to an all black screen and turn out the lights and it's still bright even in most cases to see by (unless you've got one of those fancy ones that automatically turn off part or all of the back light... but I digress). I would think if you switched the e-reader app to be white text on black background (which is IMO easier to read anyway) it wouldn't be so bad. The Android Kindle app allows that but like I said, I have some major sleep issues and if I'm falling asleep by 3AM I'm not going to do anything to risk that.

    28. Re:E-Readers in a phone by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      I started reading ebooks on a Palm 128 years ago, I'm now up to an HTC HD2. There's several good apps to do that, including Opera, which lets you use custom colors and styles (white text on a black background works best for me, and it's classy, too).

      I like the smallish form factor, the always-with-me utility, the fact I can unobtrusively read one-handed in the subway, while waiting at the supermarket... and having to carry around only ONE device for phone + mp3 player + radio + ereader + emergency web stuff + PIM.

      I'd love a bigger, better screen, but 4.3" LCD, once tweaked ot my tastes, is good enough. A separate device would be too much of a bother. I'd love a 5" Dell Streak, though, except it seems the sound output is extremely bad.

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    29. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on now... if it was 7 inches, how would she fit it in her pocket?

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    30. Re:E-Readers in a phone by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      I started reading ebooks on a Palm 128 years ago

      I didn't think they had PDAs that long ago. Also, what's your secret to long life?

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    31. Re:E-Readers in a phone by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      I think they started to encroach on home PCs as soon as they could read email, browse the web and play games.

      Dedicated e-readers only exist because current e-ink screens are brilliant for prolonged reading but utterly useless for anything that moves (games, movies, multitouch UIs...) meaning that they're no good for phones and tablets. Once display technology comes up with something that combines the clarity of e-ink with LCD response times, bye-bye e-readers.

      I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

      The problem with that is that you're carrying all your data around on your phone - so (a) if you lose your phone you're really screwed and (b) so far, 3.5" hard drives are still offering the best bytes-per-buck.

      The other issue is that software designed for a shirt pocket sized phone may not be the ideal software for your 30" home PC screen and keyboard, nor does your phone need a graphics processor that can play <latest game> at 1080p. So if you're not running the same software, and have to keep backing up your phone anyway, why try to combine the two in one?

      More sensible would be to have all your data on your "home server" or out in the cloud, shared between your PC, phone and tablet via the series of tubes - maybe with some intelligent caching on the phone to smooth over those reception black spots.

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    32. Re:E-Readers in a phone by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Are those also so slow I have to remember to turn the page when I have read half of it?

    33. Re:E-Readers in a phone by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is that you're carrying all your data around on your phone - so (a) if you lose your phone you're really screwed .

      This is an argument for backups not larger storage devices.

      the other issue is that software designed for a shirt pocket sized phone may not be the ideal software for your 30" home PC screen and keyboard, nor does your phone need a graphics processor that can play at 1080p. So if you're not running the same software, and have to keep backing up your phone anyway, why try to combine the two in one?

      A terminal looks the same on both, and you should be backing up every computing device. Rsync can do that automagically.

    34. Re:E-Readers in a phone by knarf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've read thousands and thousands of pages on very normal LCD screens. I started using a Nokia N-Gage which served me very well until its screen met an untimely end. It was replaced by a HTC Prophet which I'm using to the current day. Both phones fit in my hand, making it possible to read anywhere and anytime. At night I use grey characters on a black background - backlight does have its advantages here - while during the day this scheme is reversed. As both phones have transflective screens it is possible to use them in full daylight, you just have to find the right angle to read the screen.

      LCD might not be as *cool* as electronic paper but to dismiss it as unusable for electronic readers is silly. It works for me after all...

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    35. Re:E-Readers in a phone by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

      They prefer to be called "Polychromatic Microcapsule Displays" you insensitive clod.

    36. Re:E-Readers in a phone by True+Vox · · Score: 1

      First, let me say that I fully agree with you, IndustrialComplex. I have good news for you, in fact.

      1. A micro projector (spreadsheets, documents, and the like require a much larger display than a cell phone)
      2. A projection keyboard. (8 finger + thumb typing would be necessary to even get close to the interface speed of a home PC)
      3. A projection trackpad. (Tracks your finger motions over a flat surface as if it were a standard trackpad)

      Now, granted, 3 isn't a projection trackpad, but it should work just about as well, I'd think. Heck, no reason solution 2 couldn't be used for 3 as well. We're not there yet, but we're DAMN CLOSE! Just a bit more refining & miniaturization 'till it's all in the same device! Future ho!

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    37. Re:E-Readers in a phone by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      I've been called worse by better people. :p

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    38. Re:E-Readers in a phone by rainmouse · · Score: 1

      I find it slightly offputting that as the expense of these phones ramps up, so do the contract terms and you can end up with an out dated phone for years.
      Though its nice idea of combining all your portable and home technologies into one easily losable device, it seems an increasing number of people actually gaining more devices, on old school Nokia 3310and such for phone calls and iPhones or Androids as nice toys but ultimately crap phones.
      Admittedly phones have come a long way since my trusty Nokia 3310 (which still works) however if phones continue to improve over the next ten years at the same rate as they have over the last, I predict phones will have the processing power of NASA, be able to transform into a car and drive you to where you want to go before you even know you want to go there and have a battery life measurable only in milliseconds.

    39. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      4 inches WIDE! (:

    40. Re:E-Readers in a phone by inu_maru · · Score: 1

      Nothing anyone has typed with their thumbs has ever been important.

      Say that to the kidnapped japanese reporter who got to tweet his status/location on a phone a few days ago.

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    41. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With that in mind, if you're going to be connecting a mouse, a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and storage externally to the phone . . . then why the heck are you hobbling yourself to a mobile processor with no real benefit?

      The answer is so obvious that most won't really get it: MOBILE PROCESSOR's only benefit there is exactly its namesake, namely portability. The GP pointed at what most non-savvy customers dream of: taking your home's active bookmarks, songs and homework-related files back and forth without synchronizing through unintuitive means currently forced on them by their proprietary non-USB connectors or lackluster GUI's.

      "Magic" is the only thing that we foresee as a solution to the problem by current implementations, but the point is that the first ever iPhone was "magical" for figuring how to bring smartphones to the masses, for example, and creating a market for smartphone functionality miles away from its formerly corporate roots.

    42. Re:E-Readers in a phone by leighklotz · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      I'm sold on my phone. It has VNC, SSH, and a slide out keyboard. I have a choice between sitting inside at work at a PC browsing the web, or sitting outside on my phone. Guess which one I pick every night?

      You won't be picking up the G2 to use with SSH, that's for sure. No []{}`|\ keys, unless someone comes out with a hack to type them in some other way.

    43. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

      The comfort issues with LCD screens in general aren't a big deal with phone-sized screens IME, while they are quite noticeable with netbook-size screens, and even more problematic with larger screens. I suspect that the problem is directly related to how much of your visual field is occupied by the bright background, which, even accounting for typical reading distance with each device, is much smaller with a phone than with a netbook, which is smaller than with a larger laptop or big desktop monitor.

      Having read dozens of novels on my iPhone, I can tell you that the issue is not the size of the screen but the pixel density. A pre-4 iPhone with a 320x480 3.5" display has a pixel density (or pixels per inch -- ppi) of around 164. Compare that to a 6" Kindle at 600x800 == 167ppi vs. a 10.1" netbook at 1024x600 = 117ppi, or even worse a 15.4" laptop at the now-industry standard 1366x768 == 102ppi (for what it's worth, my 15.4" laptop at 1920x1080 has 143ppi and is only slightly less comfortable to read on than my iPhone). This is why e-ink readers and smartphones are easier to use as ebook readers than a laptop. Higher pixel density directly translates to more comfortable reading.

      Also keep in mind that the pre-4 iPhone still has a relatively low ppi. The iPhone 4, with the same 3.5" screen size but 640x960 resolution == 330ppi, and a quality android phone like the HTC Incredible has a 3.8" screen at 480x800 resolution == 246ppi. This is also where Apple went wrong with the iPad. At 9.7" and 768x1024, its pixel density is only 132ppi, bordering on the edge of unreadable. To get an equivalent 330PPI to iPhone 4 at 9.7", the iPad would have to have a resolution of 1920x2560. That's not going to be a cheap LCD panel.

      If you want a larger device for reading, stick with a Kindle or other e-ink reader. However for on-the-go reading, it's really hard to beat a smartphone.

    44. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Osty · · Score: 1

      Um, you do know that certain smartphones have had e-readers (such as Stanza) available for, well, quite a long while now, right?

      And by "certain smartphones", you mean "all of them"? Yes, iPhone has e-readers (Stanza, eReader before that, and Kindle, Kobo, B&N eReader, and a bunch more generic and specific ereader apps), but so does Android (check out Aldiko or FBReaderJ for generic readers, or Kindle, Kobo, BN, etc for store-specific), Windows Mobile (Freda seems to be the go-to reader these days, but Microsoft had their own Windows CE e-reader for their .lit format way back in 2000 or earlier), even the old school Palm (that's where MobiPocket got started, which is now the format used by Kindle).

      It's great to see e-reading really coming into its own recently, though book sellers haven't quite gotten the message and are charging way too much (at least most DRM is easily broken). However it's not really a new phenomenon. E-readers in various forms (not PCs) have existed since the 80s. I've personally been e-reading for 10 years, and by some accounts I was late to the party.

    45. Re:E-Readers in a phone by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Hey, I used my old Prophet as an E-Reader (MS Reader and LIT files mostly) for a really long time too. Moved to Android now, though... the readers available there are pretty impressive.

      #1 tip on Android: iReader. Sounds like an iPhone app, but it's really just a plain text reader with customizable... well, everything. Green text on black background is great, especially with the AMOLED screen on the Desire (one of the few things the AMOLED screen actually does well - green is unaffected by the pentile matrix, and there's no backlight bleed with the black background)... Since I do most of my reading in low-light, this is great for reducing eyestrain, and I don't need a bright light to actually see what I'm reading. :)

      LCDs have always been superior to E-Ink for my usage, for this very reason...

      And eyestrain? Yah, if you blast your eyes at full brightness with black text on a white background in an otherwise dark room... yeah, you might get some eyestrain. Remember: If it hurts, you're doing it wrong!

    46. Re:E-Readers in a phone by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      That's why you shouldn't read black text on a white background in a dark room... pretty much every decent eReader app for a smartphone (I use iReader on Android) is completely customizable in this regard. I find green text on a black background to be perfect for low-light reading, with no eyestrain whatsoever.

      Obviously a bright white backlight 12 inches from your face in a dark room is going to produce eyestrain... so don't do that.

    47. Re:E-Readers in a phone by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      The always-have-it-with-me factor is a huge bonus... I've been using my phone as an eReader for years now, and since I don't have time to actually spend a few hours reading these days, it's great to be able to get 5 or 10 minutes in on the train, or when I'm waiting for someone at a cafe, or on the crapper, without needing to constantly lug around a separate device.

      It's especially obvious when I'm out and about without a bag (my jacket pockets are usually filled with other crap... no room for eReaders) - I'm not carrying one around just for an eReader.

    48. Re:E-Readers in a phone by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      I find it slightly offputting that as the expense of these phones ramps up, so do the contract terms and you can end up with an out dated phone for years.

      Here in holland you can get a HTC wildfire on a one year plan for free, for a very modest monthly cost. Sure it isnt a high-end phone, but compared to phones of even two years ago, it is a marvel of technology. (by the way, i can get a desire for free for less cost then the cheapest iphone sub, while on the iphone sub i would pay 170 euros for the iphone still)

      but yeah, it is tricky, i am on the lost months of a 2 year plan for which i got a nokia n96 (nokia's then flagship), which absolutely sucked ass. i threw the n96 in a corner within a month to go back to my older nokia. a while back i picked up a huawei 8120 joy android phone on a prepaid dail to try out android, and it is a marvelous device for its cost, $99 without any subscription

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    49. Re:E-Readers in a phone by 16Chapel · · Score: 1

      Well, I have an HTC Desire and I just finished reading my first eBook on it (Stephen King's "Under The Dome", bought and read through the Kindle software bundled with the phone).

      Reflection is a problem outdoors, but no problem at all on the bus / train. I have the font size turned right up, and it works well enough for me to expect to read lots more books on my phone.

    50. Re:E-Readers in a phone by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      (I use iReader on Android)

      Same here. Over the years, I've usually used eReader since it's available on almost anything with a screen and it's generally a nice enough app, but the Android version is the weakest release they've had yet. iReader is probably closer to eReader's other versions on other platforms than eReader for Android is.

      As for colors, I generally stick with black text on an off-white/tanish background day or night. I'm more likely to adjust the screen's brightness than change the colors most of the time.

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    51. Re:E-Readers in a phone by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Have read dozens of books on my iPhone in 2 years, I have to say that you don't need E Ink to read comfortably. I've read for hours on end many times with not an ounce of eye strain. E Ink may be nice, but it's not necessary for a comfortable and enjoyable reading experience.

    52. Re:E-Readers in a phone by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      The main reason for green-on-black is the AMOLED screen in my case... uses less power if less pixels are lit :)

      Turning down the brightness with an off-white background should be enough to reduce eyestrain as well, of course...

    53. Re:E-Readers in a phone by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      This is an argument for backups not larger storage devices.

      Its also about data security - lose your phone and someone has physical access to all your data. Yes, you can encrypt - but unless you're happy typing in a strong password every time you wake up your phone that's not foolproof. If you lose physical data then you pretty much have to assume that it is compromised. Keep it "in the cloud*" and you can log in, de-authorize the device and check the logs to see who's read what.

      ...and even if your data is safely backed up, you can't do anything with it if you've just left your main and only computing device on the train.

      A terminal looks the same on both,

      Look at some of the better iOS/Android terminal apps sometime. They're designed for small/touchscreen devices. Anyway, if a terminal is the only software you need then kudos, but you're pushing a minority view.

      and you should be backing up every computing device. Rsync can do that automagically.

      ...it can also automagically sync the contents of your phone to the "Phone" folder on your desktop PC, from whence it gets backed up along with all your other data.

      (*which could be a "private cloud" on a home server if you don't trust Google with your data).

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  2. Not available in US until next year? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the article, both versions will be available in Europe and Asia in October. Only the "Z" version will hit the US this year though. Gotta say that's disappointing. My next upgrade becomes available December 15th, and the "Desire HD" looks to best every other Android handset out right now. I really, really hope that some version of that phone hits Verizon before or really soon after that date.

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    1. Re:Not available in US until next year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desire HD is basically an Evo 4G. A bit better (more RAM), with HSPA instead of WiMax, but very similar.
      Desire Z is the T-Mobile G2.
      So you are not missing anything in the US. We can't say the same in Canada. We have no Droid X/2, no Evo 4G, and we won't get any of these European/Asian phone this year since we use different frequencies. At least we got the Galaxy S no too much after everybody else. On average we are about 6 months late.

    2. Re:Not available in US until next year? by ThermalRunaway · · Score: 1

      The Fascinate (Samsung) looks pretty good on VZ as well. Ya, there is that stupid Bing problem right now, but there are several ways around it. If you use a custom launcher (like LauncherPro) you can get the Google widget.

      Also, rooting is very simple, and you can remove all the Bing crap, plus load custom mods, etc. The screen is quite nice as well, and its super thin. I found the EVO a bit too bit, so the Facinate's slightly smaller screen is a perfect compromise.

      That said, rumors keep popping up about VZ's LTE network coming online towards the end of the year. I get my upgrade in Nov, but might hold off and see if any 4G handsets start showing up...

    3. Re:Not available in US until next year? by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      The "Z" is basically the T-Mobile G2, and the "Desire HD" is basically the EVO 4G, already available in the US.

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    4. Re:Not available in US until next year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the HD was the European answer to the Evo? I've not compared the specs though.

    5. Re:Not available in US until next year? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but people do not seem to realize that these phones have the wrong 3G frequencies for some of the main US (AT&T) and Canadian (Rogers) carriers. You can make calls on them but forget about any high-speed data. And some other models like the EVO are not even GSM phones and thus cannot be bought "unlocked".

      Major US and Canadian GSM carriers use the 850/1900 MHz bands for 2G/3G while in Europe 900/2100 is the dominant standard. And for some reason the phone makers decided that the "quad" band feature which covers all combinations need only apply to 2G capabilities and not to 3G and so most of these data-heavy phones cannot be used properly in both places.

  3. HTC and MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Support MS patents, buy HTC!

    1. Re:HTC and MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain. Not trolling, just curious.

    2. Re:HTC and MS by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft sued HTC over the use of MS patents in HTC's mobile phones that were running Android, much the same way that Apple has an ongoing suit against HTC. HTC decided to license the patents from Microsoft so it's likely that Microsoft gets paid for every Android phone that HTC sells. Here is the press release. It's reminiscent of how PC vendors paid Microsoft for every box sold, regardless of whether or not it had Windows installed. Different arrangements, but similar end results.

      Some have speculated that depending on the agreements, it could be just as expensive for HTC to ship a phone with Android as it would be for them to ship one with Windows Phone 7. If Android doesn't have a price advantage it may put the two operating systems on more even ground, at least from HTC's perspective.

    3. Re:HTC and MS by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      What AC was trying to convey with his usual 2nd grade vocabulary level was that HTC upsets the no-patent crowd by paying the ransom Microsoft demands of Linux users for alleged patent infringement, thus creating a precedent and helping bid bad Redmond scare others.

    4. Re:HTC and MS by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Except Android sucks a lot less... I don't use either, but I've played with both, I'd pretty happily exchange my iPhone for an Android or vice-versa as carrier needs or whatever changed. I'd hate to have to use Win-Mob phone.

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    5. Re:HTC and MS by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Out of court settlements don't create precedent. I'm no lawyer, but I'm certain of that. It's the functional equivalent of giving the bully your lunch money instead of fighting with him.

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    6. Re:HTC and MS by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      Oh, certainly! I like your analogy to explain my actual meaning as well.

      PS- I didn't mean the legal definition of 'precedent' you correctly pointed out is irrelevant given the out-of-court settlement. Rather, I was using the English word, thefreedictionary.com defines as "1. a. An act or instance that may be used as an example in dealing with subsequent similar instances". That the law uses the word to specify a similar but extended meaning provided for this clash of terms. If I were discussing the legal aspect of the ransom, rather than the moral one being objected to, I'd be wrong to use a legal term in such a context or one spanning the two without clarifying my meaning.

    7. Re:HTC and MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true, otherwise we could simply sue our friend for copyright infringement, settle out of court that the work will move into the public domain and claim that this precedent means that all copyright infringement cases should end with the work moving to the public domain.

    8. Re:HTC and MS by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Out of court settlements don't create precedent. I'm no lawyer, but I'm certain of that. It's the functional equivalent of giving the bully your lunch money instead of fighting with him.

      Giving your lunch money to a bully creates a precedent as he will go after you for lunch money again tomorrow. On the other hand bullies are easier to fight as they usually don't have lawyers.

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    9. Re:HTC and MS by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Out of court settlements don't create precedent. I'm no lawyer, but I'm certain of that. It's the functional equivalent of giving the bully your lunch money instead of fighting with him.

      Indeed. Doubly so considering HTC are Taiwanese, not American.

      I believe claims were also made over HTC's own software (HTC sense), I think HTC paid MS to go away and forget about the Linux stuff especially since MS haven't gone after Motorola (US, not Taiwanese so they'd make a great example).

      Also, Taiwan is one of the only [_]COUNTRIES/[_]PROVINCES OF CHINA that you can legally reverse engineer Windows, so there may be some kernel of truth to MS's claims (I may be going into paranoid land here though).

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    10. Re:HTC and MS by Xest · · Score: 1

      Are you sure Microsoft sued HTC? I was aware of the licensing deal but never heard anything about Microsoft suing them. A Google search turns up nothing about Microsoft suing HTC either, just the licensing deal.

      It would be rather stupid of Microsoft to sue HTC too seeing as Microsoft has historically been so dependent on HTC hardware to shift Windows mobile. I don't really see that changing either, with Windows Phone 7 I suspect HTC will still produce the best Windows Mobile handsets.

    11. Re:HTC and MS by Xest · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting using bold text, I'd never have understood what you were trying to say otherwise.

    12. Re:HTC and MS by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot ate the R out of my BR.tag. Next time I'll use preview.

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    13. Re:HTC and MS by Xest · · Score: 1

      Heh, I find Slashdot tends to mangle a lot of things. I still have nightmares from the time I accidently changed the text type drop down without previewing!

  4. HTC all the way by Pojut · · Score: 1

    Especially when it comes to Android phones.

    1. Re:HTC all the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and remember they were gold Microsoft partners not long ago!

  5. Questions - Verizon's Droid X by joe2tiger · · Score: 1

    I ordered Verizon's Droid X a few weeks ago, it should arrive next week. But I heard that Droid 2 has a discreet graphics component whereas the Droid X doesn't. Is this true? People who have the Droid X, are you happy with the phone?

    1. Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand it, the Droid 2 is basically the Droid X's guts placed into the original Droid. The Droid X does not feature a slide-out keyboard, instead going the soft keyboard route like the iPhone and the HTC Evo. Droid 2 brings back the original Droid form factor with some minor updates to the keyboard.

      I'm pretty happy with the Droid X. I was lucky enough to get it in the first few weeks of its release. You'll get a lot of people griping about the bloatware, MotoBLUR stuff, and supposedly locked-down boot-loader. I don't really care about that; I can put whatever widgets I want on my 7 home screens, I ignore the features I don't want just like I've done with every other phone I've had, and I don't even care about rooting my phone... though that may change if they don't get Froyo pushed soon. Seriously, it's been "any day now" since launch.

    2. Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If you don't care about the locked down bootloader that is only because you have not seen the glory that is CyanogenMod 6.

    3. Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      Both have the exact same chip inside. There's no such thing as a "discrete graphics processor" in mobile phones. It's all one chip.

    4. Re:Questions - Verizon's Droid X by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      The "Any day now" that lasts for months is typical of Verizon. They progress at a speed that makes the Government look speedy. One possible exception is their LTE deployment, but AFAIK that is also lagging behind their initial promises.

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  6. Battery life? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So I see HTC and all the vendors are pushing hidef video and more features. However, I see the battery life is suffering on these phones. At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life? Unless your phone does nothing but make a few calls and the occasional email sync, it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

    1. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Aftermarket batteries offer signifcant improvements.

      However, performance is going to vary with different types of use.

      Currently, I get around 3 to 4 days with my tp2

    2. Re:Battery life? by drougie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    3. Re:Battery life? by chemicaldave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

      Phone manufacturers have to weight the options between releasing better features that tax the battery or investing heavily in battery technology that very well may benefit competitors. Improvements to battery life based on engineering behind the battery itself need to come from the industry as a whole and not one manufacturer.

    4. Re:Battery life? by Threni · · Score: 2, Informative

      > it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

      It's easy - just use it as a phone. On stanby these things go for days. Because, you know, on standby all the flash, hi-def etc etc isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, because it's not being used.

    5. Re:Battery life? by alen · · Score: 1

      you want battery and thin you get an iphone. you want power you get everything else. just like PC vs mac and everything else

    6. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Droid X manages quite well. Much better then the EVO.

    7. Re:Battery life? by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

      I get 3-4 days of medium/heavy use out of my Moto Droid as of the Froyo update, before that 4 days would have really been pushing it. It depends a lot on where you are and what kind of reception you are getting. I get my best battery life over the weekends when I spend a lot of time at home, slightly less during the week when I'm at work where the coverage inside is spotty, and abysmal (less than 1 day) if I'm somewhere with little to no coverage.

    8. Re:Battery life? by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Mod him up. This is good stuff.

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    9. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they would just drop the stupid ass java crap you would likely get another 25% battery life out of it. Just another reason the Iphone has superior battery life, it runs native code.

    10. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Wow, you must have a different def of heavy/moderate use than me. I get one day absolute tops (Moto Droid with Froyo), and that's on wifi 90%+ of the time and almost no talking, just some web browsing and email (and I don't get much of that, maybe send 10 per day, and receive maybe 20 at most). I don't even play any games on it anymore. I think I might get 3 or 4 days without charging if I just left it alone and didn't read any email or browse a single website. That being said, I'd still not want to live without it, and charging it up from dead to 100% doesn't take that long (I don't even notice it as a problem).

    11. Re:Battery life? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you often go that long without charging, or are you saying you can go that long without charging? If you do, who don't you charge it at night?

      (I'm not asking to set up an argument. I was just curious if there was a reason like "it's better for the battery" or something.)

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    12. Re:Battery life? by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

      At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

      When new technologies such as lithium-air batteries or useful fuel cells are developed. Battery tech is lagging so far behind the miniaturization of computer technology for Cell Phones that they just can't do anything about it, so they try and distract you with cool new time-wasting apps. I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.

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    13. Re:Battery life? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Either your kind of medium/heavy use is what I'd call leaving the phone on standby, or your Droid has some kind of super battery. As a former Milestone owner, I can safely say that just a solid hour of web surfing via the mobile network or WiFi is enough to drain the battery by 15-20%...

      Heavy use for me on a work day is what... maybe 2-4 hours of active use (web/apps/games) a day, as well as phone calls, SMS, maybe WiFi tethering, an hour or two of streaming music. Hell, I'd be surprised if it lasted a whole two days with that kind of usage.

      Usually I was down to about 20-30% remaining at the end of a given day... with less usage than I just listed.

      My Desire (and the Z/HD probably too) is even worse.

    14. Re:Battery life? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Not only are they pushing all sorts of new features, they also reduced the battery capacities. 12xx mAh on the HD and 1300mAh on the Z... Idiots. I'll take a millimeter or two more of thickness over a reduction in capacity any day. :(

    15. Re:Battery life? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      NiMH batteries don't suffer from the "memory" effect. It's better to keep them charged as much as possible, purely because you reduce the risk of it running out of juice when you need it, and also prevents polarity reversal caused by complete discharge. You guessed it... That turns your battery into a fairly rubbish paper weight.

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    16. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... The usage time on a iPh* isn't much better -- you MIGHT get an additional 15-30 minutes of usage under the best conditions (low brightness, little data, no GPS, etc). If 4-4.5 hours of usage isn't enough to get you through the day, you may want to consider getting a spare battery. I doubt the iP can match 8-9 hours of almost continuous use (about a 30-40 second downtime) with something the size of a lighter.

  7. HTC Sense vs Stock Android by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have found that stock Android is pretty nice. HTC Sense is a good *looking* UI, but it suffers in some places. The stock mail client for stock 2.1 is much nicer than the sense variant, for example, and there are a number of other places where it looks like HTC tried to "reinvent the wheel" (with shiny chrome) for what appears to be little or no reason. Perhaps they're trying a little too hard to offer a differentiator on the software side...

    I've been much happier with the stock android versions of 2.1 and 2.2 (thanks to CyanogenMod) on my HTC CDMA Hero, since switching from the stock firmware. (Doesn't exactly help that HTC orphaned OS support for that model before 2.2...)

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    1. Re:HTC Sense vs Stock Android by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I love stock Android. Love the color scheme, the motif, everything. I can't stand Sense UI.

      As for mail clients though, I found myself using the e-mail directly through the web browser. Love GMail's mobile version used through a web browser. Check it out. Now I never have to worry about anything ever being in sync.

    2. Re:HTC Sense vs Stock Android by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

      Having tried Sense on the EVO, and stock Android 2.1 and 2.2 on the Nexus One, I *much* prefer stock Android. HTC, how about giving us an option to completely disable Sense, without having to install third-party firmware builds? On the EVO you can sort of partially disable Sense, but apparently on many other HTC phones you can't even do that.

  8. T-Mobile by TopSpin · · Score: 1

    The HTC Desire Z is about to be released as the T-Mobile G2 later this month ($200ish with a plan.) The T-Mobile G2 will have the stock Android UI as did the G1 years ago.

    http://g2.t-mobile.com/
    http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-announces-desire-z-qwerty-slider

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    1. Re:T-Mobile by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If my contract with verizon was over I would be buying that the day it shipped. I will be switching to t-mobile since it sure looks like verizon is done with the unlocked bootloader phones.

  9. I want one! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Wait, it costs how much?!

    Damn, never mind *sob*

    1. Re:I want one! by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If the phone price puts you off, no way can you afford the service.

    2. Re:I want one! by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Wait, it costs how much?!

      At GBP 370, that puts it about A$630 or just shy of being half the cost of an Iphone.

      Cheaper and more functional, a bargain I say.

      Thats approx 580 of your American Peso's.

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    3. Re:I want one! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I pay a flat fifty bucks a month for unlimited talk, long distance, voicemail, email, text, 411, and internet. Five hundred bucks is almost twice what I paid for my netbook. The phone would cost what a year's service costs me, and that's just too much for a phone.

  10. I'm officially not a power user by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the past 6 years or so, I would buy the latest greatest phone after my contract ran out. I was close to getting a Droid, then it occurred to me "do I really give a frak about HDMI ports and video on my phone?" I settled with an LG Ally I got for free and got to keep that extra $200 with ZERO regrets. I guess I'll have to stop posting here and watching more Antique's Roadshow now?

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    1. Re:I'm officially not a power user by Paranatural · · Score: 1

      I have Antiques Roadshow episodes on my brand-new EVO, the first smartphone I've ever gotten.

    2. Re:I'm officially not a power user by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If you like Antiques Roadshow, Pawnstars is pretty good. Sure too much reality TV going on, but the stuff they have come into the shop is really neat. I think it is on History Channel, but I don't have cable and watch it on netflix.

    3. Re:I'm officially not a power user by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely a power user. You carefully considered the options, and picked the correct device for your situation instead of being drawn in by the latest shiny-shiny "It's got the Wi-FI's and 720 HDs" overpriced poserphone.

      Kudos!

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  11. YOU ARE AN IDIOT !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If you can do "all you want" on a phone, imagine what WE CAN DO on a real computing device !! You go play with your Yugo-inspired phone and I'll do anything and everything I want on my REAL machine !!

    There be bozos up in here !!

  12. A confusing market by pspahn · · Score: 1

    It looks like we're starting to see (to a greater degree) new phones coming out too quickly to match the market.

    I've no idea about statistics, but I imagine that most people get a discount on their phone by signing up for two years. If new and better phones are coming out every six months, this is going to cause a problem under the current plans. It wasn't as bad with PCs and laptops, simply because people aren't locked into using them for the duration of a contract. I think it's great that my snazzy new phone is going to be less than that only a few months after I bought it, but I'm not even going to consider any kind of upgrade until my contract allows me to.

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    1. Re:A confusing market by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      your contract doesnt allow you to get a new phone?

      i think you are able to get a new phone, you just dont get the discount when buying it, which makes sense to me..

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  13. Updates for existing HTC phones? by BcNexus · · Score: 1

    I'd pay for an officially supported updated HTC Sense for an existing phone.

    Can I? No? iPhone users can upgrade iOS on existing devices. Why can't I do the same with HTC Sense?

    1. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know that upgrading is such a good thing. I put iOS4 on my iPhone 3G and its a dog. Slower response, worse battery life, and every app crashes.

    2. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because Apple in investing in the platform, HTC is making a phone. It's not a better or worse model per se, but Apple is trying to build an ecosystem: get a Mac, and iPhone, an Apple TV, maybe an iPod Shuffle for when the phone is more than you need... replace them all every 3-4 years, and we'll provide pretty good support and updates for around that time frame. Brand loyalty keeps you buying into the ecosystem. HTC is trying to sell you a phone. Right now. Now another one. Now another one. They always want to have the biggest and best numbers they can, because they know that if they don't you'll buy a Motorola instead.

      It's two different business models.

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    3. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by BcNexus · · Score: 1

      I'll be damned then. I want to buy into Apple's "We're selling a platform" model but without their walled-garden application eco-system and without being tied to the AT&T network.

      To anyone who would ask, the answer is "No, I don't want to jailbreak. I won't jailbreak." Because if I buy an i-device while Apple is still enforcing their walled-graden, it looks like to them that I support it. But I don't. And I won't.

      In short, I want great apps and upgrades available for HTC devices like what are available for iOS devices. Unfortunately that's not in the cards for me, because, like you said, HTC doesn't roll that way.

    4. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Both models have pluses and minuses. If you want the "best" phone on the market (Defined by tech specs- CPU, camera, memory, etc) you almost certainly want an Android phone. The churn that the competing manufacturers create by their constant upgrade cycles means that Moto, or HTC, or Nokia (do they make Android?) probably currently has the most powerful thing available this week. On the other hand the Apple hardware updates often enough to stay reasonably current, if not cutting edge. So advantage Android, but not a huge advantage.

      The Android OS is certainly more open, at least in theory. In practice it seems like the manufacturers and providers often lock shit down pretty hard. So, again, advantage Android, but how much of an advantage probably depends entirely on what model phone you have and who's network you're using it on.

      The iPhone's advantages tend to harder to measure. The UI is well done, for sure. The design is very consistent. The "ecosystem" concept has a lot of advantages. I was really pleased when I upgraded my 1st gen iPhone to a 3GS a while back. The backup and restore function was such that I literally felt like I was using the same phone, but better. Like upgrading the CPU, RAM, and VC on a computer and keeping the OS as it is. Everything was faster and shinier (and GPSier), but otherwise identical. And of course my 3GS runs iOS 4 pretty well and that's like a whole new upgrade.

      Meh, to each their own.

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    5. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by BcNexus · · Score: 1

      The iOS ecosystem is pretty good.So good, in fact, that I've thought about getting an iPad or iPod touch and using it as a phone with a non-AT&T cellular/WiFi mobile hotspot. I could get a latest gen iPod touch (or maybe even an iPad) install Skype on it, pair it with a portable WiFi hotspot from Virgin Mobile* or Sprint**, and use it as a phone.

      *Virgin Mobile is 3G service from Sprint at $40/month
      **4G service from Sprint in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area at about $70/month, I think?

    6. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by codepunk · · Score: 1

      "Defined by tech specs- CPU, camera, memory, etc", however keep in mind there is a jvm burning a quarter of that cpu, battery and memory capability.

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    7. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Vendor lock in keeps you buying into the ecosystem.

      There, fixed that for you.

      Apple wants to tie you in to it's other products through any means necessary, this is why you need to buy a Mac to develop for an Iphone. Once you're at this point they need to keep you here and that is best achieved by making you have a large financial investment in the platform ($x in applications). This is the same MO we've seen with Microsoft in the past except Apple have gone one further, not only creating an increasing financial attachment to their ecosystem, they want you to create an emotional investment (commonly called fanboysim).

      It's two different business models.

      You're quite right here, except one is competitive and the other is abusive.

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    8. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by Xest · · Score: 1

      The problem seems to be that you're buying a phone on contract and are at the mercy of your provider.

      If you buy an Android handset at retail without it being tied to a contract and phone provider then you'll receive much better update support.

    9. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      HTC actually does provide upgrades, the desire recently got the upgrade to froyo, and for the legend that same update is in the works, the wildfire will get 2.2 as well.

      (and as for the iphone updates, ios 4 sucks on 3g generation hardware and doesnt actually add usefull features on that hardware (no multitasking, wallpapers, the only thing i noticed is a threaded mail inbox, which SUCKS compared to how gmail works on android), anything older like a first gen ipod touch or iphone doesnt get the update at all. Arguably only the 3gs actually got anything usefull from the update)

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    10. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      I don't think Apples other products are relevant to the OP's question and argument.

      Apple's methodology is to have a small lineup of products, and release new ones with updates features on a regular basis. Each product has a clear niche, even with how many iPod products they have out. This lets them put the time and quality into their individual products instead of losing focus and confusing customers ike, say, Dell, who has 27 lineups of the same basic desktop computer.

      HTC doesn't have that many phones sharing the market yet, but this phone is so close to the Incredible that it's a bit insulting to their customer base. There are always upgrades, but a new phone and no support for their old one, this fast, is going to scare customers.

      This release smacks of "oh crap, we think we're losing sales to Droid X and Evo because our screen isn't big enough!"

      Then again, maybe their release cycle is just super-fast. I think my friend replaced his Eris with an Incredible before the Eris even got updated to the latest Android release. Not much reason to support your products if you think people will pay to upgrade instead.

    11. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Brand loyalty keeps you buying into the ecosystem. HTC is trying to sell you a phone. Right now.

      So, what you are saying is that HTC doesn't give a rat's ass about brand loyalty but just wants a quick sale.

      Apple's ecosystem has very little to do with it. I have a Mac and iPhone, but have no need for an iPod (iPhone makes it superfluous really even though I was a hold out against using my phone as a music player). However, i have friends who are strongly Windows that are quite happy with their iPhone and have stated they will not go back (after the Sidekick debacle). The well thought out product with the continued support with what generates brand loyalty and gets people to buy other products, not the other way around.

      I would say it is a worse model. Maybe not for the manufacturer, but certainly for the user. Some people don't like the walled garden approach from Apple and want a completely open version of a well thought out product with continued support. They want an open brand they can have loyalty in. Unfortunatly, despite that the tools are there with Android, it doesn't appear that anyone cares to step into that market niche. Possibly because if you make a decent phone with continued support and have no other products for people to invest in and feature creep isn't enough to get people who already have your phone to buy a new one, it just doesn't pay off.

    12. Re:Updates for existing HTC phones? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      The "ecosystem" is really more complicated than I (attempting to be brief) described though. I don't have a Mac at the moment either. I gave mine to my wife because her laptop sucked. I do however have iTunes because I need it to sync my phone... Which mean I mostly buy music from Apple, because iTunes makes it easy. You don't have to be using everything Apple makes to be participating in their ecosystem concept.

      You're right of course that good products generate brand loyalty, I thought that's what I said, but maybe I worded it wrong. My point is that brand loyalty provides a steady income, as opposed to the "spikey" income you get from always trying to be the "best" thing on the market. This month HTC is making money hand over fist, because everyone wants the new "Desire: Youreallydesirethisone", next month they're hind teat because everyone *now* wants the "Droid: AwesomerthantheDesire"

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  14. Powerful by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    Would be more descriptive to say that they launched some new features that drain the phones battery even faster.

    Now, I have a Android HTC to replace a ancient dumb phone. Excuse my ignorance, but it's my first smart phone... and it took me by the second day of ownership that switching off the Bluetooth, GPS, Wi-Fi and other enabled stuff saved a tonne of battery power. They may be smart phones, but they really do need more battery power packed in to the phone.

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  15. I am waiting for Verizon 4G - Dec 2010 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No interest in anything new until Verizon 4G comes out later this year with 4G SIM enabled phones. All of these phones will be useless when 4G comes out - on Verizon. (As for Sprint users on 4G, great. BTW, AT&T won't be ready till 2011-2012.)

  16. why haven't these guys figured out branding by alen · · Score: 1

    car companies went to stable brand names years ago where each car has a name and a year to show when it was made. Apple is close with the iPhone. Verizon is learning with the Droid.

    why can't Samsung and HTC figure this out and stop the constant stream of new phone names every month? cell phones are as much fashion accessories/penis extenders as tools and having the cool phone is important. if you release new phones constantly then the old one is forgotten and kids and others who are your biggest customers will buy the competition.

  17. Is it possible to get a Sense GUI based SDK? by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    TSIA

  18. Dual mode screens by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    If someone can do an LCD with high contrast e-paper style screen and normal LCD functionality then they will solve that problem. Perhaps have the LCD flip out of the way to expose the e-paper screen underneath?

    As for the Desire HD, 4.3" screen makes the device too big for me, I did some estimates on paper of its size. Any bigger than 4.3" and you'll have a phone approaching the footprint of a 3.5" hard disk.

    1. Re:Dual mode screens by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Have you tried reading on a Samsung Super AMOLED screen? It's supposed to be much crisper and much more battery friendly. I've tried it on games, but not ebooks. For games, it's fantastic, way better than the iPhone 4. I just wonder if it's the same for reading.

    2. Re:Dual mode screens by Sinn3d · · Score: 1

      Samsung Galaxy S (i9000), has such a screen (4inch) and I often use it for e-reading. Clear, sharp, black is black, crisp and all that.

      Works great.

  19. pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where are Android phones that work with the pay-as-you-go, or at least low-cost plans? Virgin Mobile has LG smartphones with $25/month plans, but if you want Android, nobody offers anything at less than $60/month.

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    1. Re:pay as you go by cos(0) · · Score: 1

      Boost Mobile offers at least one: Motorola i1. It even supports push-to-talk.

    2. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      That's still $50 per month. It's way too much money for infrequent users.

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    3. Re:pay as you go by cos(0) · · Score: 1

      $50/mo is for unlimited talk and SMS. Infrequent users can opt to pay a nickel per minute and per SMS message.

    4. Re:pay as you go by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Just buy the phone outright and put any prepaid SIM you want in there. What's the problem?

    5. Re:pay as you go by Xarius · · Score: 1

      This seems like a uniquely American problem, over here (i.e. UK) you can buy any phone and put any old SIM card into it--be it PAYG or contract.

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    6. Re:pay as you go by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Check out the HTC Wildfire. Approx $300 without a plan. That's pretty competitive for an HTC Android phone, and more than likely available on the lower-end tariffs.

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    7. Re:pay as you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside of the US, this appears to be less of a problem.
      My HTC Hero is currently on a pay-as-you-go sim here in the UK, and is fine, for example.

    8. Re:pay as you go by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      i have no clue about the US plan ecosystem, but here in europe android has trickled down to $99 prepaid phones, i replaced my old nokia (which i was using since the n96 i got with my plan is absolute SHIT), with a vodafone rebranded huawei (the huawei 8120 joy, or vodafone 845 nova), unlocked it for $20 through a chinese website (smart buggers they are, sell the thing to vodafone, which will simlock them, then use your own product knowledge to offer unlocks to the end-user for a fraction of what vodafone wants)

      Granted, it only has a 320*240 resistive screen and 128mb of ram, but it is running android 2.1, and works quite nicely, even if it slows down occasionally.

      so my advice, look for the low-end android phones, stuff like rebranded generic chinese models (which worked out for me quite well), i know there is an LG out there prepaid as well, and the HTC wildfire is pretty cheap too (for a full featured HTC branded android phone)

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    9. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      ... and for data?

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    10. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      The problem is the lack of plans that work with these phones.

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    11. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Getting a data plan that works in the USA is the problem.

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    12. Re:pay as you go by cos(0) · · Score: 1

      It appears that Boost Mobile changed its pricing structure -- I no longer see 5 cents per minute/SMS on their web site.

      Now it's $50/mo unlimited, or $2/day unlimited. In both cases, unlimited data is included -- but in my experience it's very slow on their IDEN network.

      Having used Boost's data (tethered to my laptop), if mobile data is important to you, avoid IDEN at all costs.

    13. Re:pay as you go by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      You guys don't have prepaid data plans? o.O

    14. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, there are no pre-paid data plans in the US. And the only mobile plans with data for less than $50/mo are from a company that will not work with Android.

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    15. Re:pay as you go by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      So basically if I visit the US with my Android phone, I won't be able to get a prepaid SIM with data at all...?

      Strange, the rest of the developed world (and a lot of the third world) offers a whole bunch of data packages on prepaid. Time-based (one-day-flat, one-week-flat, one-month-flat) or even traffic based (like just buy a gig for 10 and use it as quickly or as slowly as you want - although those are sort of dying out even here in Europe)...

    16. Re:pay as you go by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Holy shit, that's shocking: http://wapreview.com/blog/?p=4872

      Why do you guys have such stupidly cheap voice/text options while data costs are somewhere close to the way they were in the late 90s?

    17. Re:pay as you go by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it seems the telecoms have all banded together and decided to force everyone to choose between really expensive unlimited smartphone plans or no smartphone at all.

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  20. Proper LCD use nicer than eInk for reading by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently)

    I like the kindle but dislike the display. The contrast is too low for me to read with comfort.

    LCD's are fine for reading ebooks - I have read a number of long eBooks. The most preferable is the iPhone 4 screen, because it is so crisp... the next is the iPad, because of the size.

    The key to all LCD reading is that you need to pay as much attention to ambient light as you would with any kind of ink based reading. You wouldn't read a book in pitch black darkness, nor should you try with an LCD even though you can. If you have even a little illumination around you you can read an LCD indefinitely without strain.

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  21. Suffer in a BIG place - HTC Sense UI - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Pocket Answer+hangups.

    AARRGGHH!!!!

    HTC, Why oh why do you not put a fucking screen unlocker on one of the real hardware buttons of the phone instead of the touchscreen only?

    I like to keep my HTC Desire in my shirt pocket. Whenever I get an incoming call, just simply reaching into the pocket to slide out the phone often touches the screen enough to answer and then hang up the call as I try to slide it out of my pocket.

    The touchscreen unlock security pattern thingy also is PURE FAIL because of the "Emergency Call" hotbutton on the screen below the pattern. Sliding a ringing phone out of your shirt pocket with the touchscreen pattern soft-lock enabled will about half the time trigger the emergency call button instead and dial 911. Fuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

  22. good with htc desire by allo · · Score: 0

    i do not like too bright screens for reading, too. but with my htc desire i can read without problems a lot of text. the screen is clear but not too bright at default settings.

  23. cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PCs are not cheap if you are on a budget and want both a good phone and then at home a larger screen. I agree with the grandparent, I'd like a real good phone that can seamlessly connect to my regular screen/keyboard and mouse at home, with perhaps a little NAS action for large storage. If you don't do extreme high end gaming (I don't) or mad scientist home 3-D climate modeling (I don't)(and tens of millions of people don't do either), the current high end ARM offerings on phones are plenty good enough to work as both your phone and home "desktop" processor.

        Why should I drop several hundred on a phone, then several hundred more on a home PC when I don't need the latter, if such a good phone and system existed to replace it? I can use that money for other important bills instead. I'm part time working-retired on a fixed low ball budget, I'd rather that several hundred dollars for the home PC go for keeping me in better phones every other year, and milk out the big monitor (the TV) and keyboard and mouse for years and years, and with USB3 hitting, that would work for external storage to the phone, if they offered the phones with that. That 400$ saved every other year by NOT buying or upgrading a desktop machine (and 400 is low end) would help pay the telco/internet bill instead. Then there would be the electric bill savings by not running a separate desktop machine.

    I agree with you some on the "cloud" storage, but again, if you CAN access it adequately using the cellphone and processor there..why again do you need a separate desktop machine at home? Elimination of that box saves a bundle.

    Now if phones weren't good enough, sure, use a desktop, but today, and phones next year and after that? They are good enough and getting better, this artificial "need" for a home desktop is rapidly disappearing for millions of people. And if they game, they'd be better off spending that "desktop machine" money on a console anyway.

    1. Re:cheap by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Because the fastest phone existing anywhere on earth has approximately the same raw computing power as a 300MHz Pentium II on its best day, ever?

      Forget about Flash (a lost cause on anything slower than the equivalent of a 1-GHz Pentium III), just try to do *anything* with the hardware of something like a Nexus One driving a 1920x1080 display in 32-bit color. You'll be lucky if it can render a double-buffered screen update without flickering, let alone do anything like what we've become accustomed to thinking is the norm for even the most ghetto PC you can possibly buy from Wal Mart.

      1GHz ARM11 is NOT the equivalent of a 1GHz Pentium M. It's not even the equivalent of a hypothetical 1-GHz Intel Netburst-architecture Celeron. If you cranked an original Cyrix 6x86 up to 1GHz, it might be roughly equivalent to an ARM of the same speed if you found the right benchmark. There's a reason why you don't see ARMs running Windows... or really, even Linux desktop applications. They just don't have the raw horsepower to do it. If you tried to boot Windows 7 on a PC with the ram and horsepower of a Nexus One, you'd be lucky to have it huff and wheeze past the boot logo before collapsing from resource exhaustion.

    2. Re:cheap by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Windows 7, but you can run OSX on a N900 ;) (yeah, it takes 90 minutes to boot, and is completely pointless/unusable)

  24. Is that a HD phone in your pocket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a HD phone in your pocket? ... or are you just happy to see me?

    I really get the convenience of always having a decent still camera with you, and can see how gr8 that would translate into having a video camera on you whenever needed, but seriously... is HD really a selling point?

    Sure, not sucking is a selling point (after all my z800i had video, it was just so bad it was worthless) but any more than that is just trying to out-do the competition with silly little niche enhancements... 'ooh, my phone has 2 flashes so can take better photos in the dark at a range of 2.5 feet'. Can't ever recall thinking 'boy, that photo I took in the dark of that flower I didn't see while walking home could have really used a second flash' ... come one. People might hate Apple for all the wrong reasons, but at least when they upgrade their phones... there's a point.

    I've got no doubt that either of these phones would be gr8! But so would a Moto droid.

  25. What makes this HD? by LukeWebber · · Score: 1

    It has the same resolution as the original Desire in a bigger display. Doesn't that make it low definition?