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Adobe Releases New 64-Bit Flash Plugin For Linux
TheDarkener writes "Adobe seems to have made an about face regarding their support for native 64-bit Linux support for Flash today, and released a new preview Flash plugin named 'Square.' This includes a native 64-bit version for Linux, which I have verified works on my Debian Lenny LTSP server by simply copying libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins — with sound (which I was never able to figure out with running the 32-bit version with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio)."
Nothing against linux, but why does linux get a 64-bit plug-in and Windows is still sitting around forcing users to use 32-bit versions of browsers in order to use plug-ins. This is kind of ridiculous?
On the other hand, if it stays like this into the future maybe it'll promote linux adoption.
What would really interests me more is, if it has a suitable performance.
Right now I only use flash, if my room temperature drops to low.
How do I uncompress my MD5 archive?
I've been using the 64bit flash beta for linux for a while, and it has always been the best implementation I have seen....very speedy and stable. Is this actually an improvement, or just changing from beta to stable?
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I'll believe it when I see a successive series of releases supporting Linux, rather than one-off updates, especially with regards to security updates. Plus all the stuff about "well Linux isn't standard so we'll implement stuff only for Windows" makes it even more clear that Flash needs to be replaced unless they show results regarding supporting all platforms equally.
Where the hell's the 64 bit version?!
Summation 2
I have verified works on my Debian Lenny LTSP server by simply copying libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins — with sound (which I was never able to figure out with running the 32-bit version with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio)."
It's terms like these which scare your average linux-o-phobe away. I'd consider an installation application a "simply" solution, as opposed to dumping files into specific directories. Thats why we have cool things like package managers...
Is it really faster than 10.0 r45?
I just tried this one for playing fullscreen video and indeed it appears use less CPU. But this computer computer is fast enough to make a difference. I wonder if it will improve playback on another computer that stutters on video with 100% CPU (although, a similar windows system plays HD flash video just fine).
I know flash gets much hate around here, but the old 64 bit version actually wokrs pretty well, and I must confess that I didn't uninstall in spite of the security holes. Now I can get an up to date version... rock. I will say that trying to use the 32 bit version using nspluginwrapper is like drilling a hole in your head, and I wonder how many complaints are really based around that rather than flash itself.
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The word includes implies that it is not the only version. You merely made a false assumption based on a misinterpretation of what was actually in the summary. I agree the summaries are often wrong here, but in this case you are quite off base I'm afraid.
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Vista 64 bit was hardly heard of as there were no compatible drivers for anything.
At least some of this can be blamed on the fact that 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7 doesn't load unsigned kernel modules except in a "Test Mode" that puts an always-on-top message on all four corners of the screen and which the user must manually turn on at boot time and reboot time. This means "Test Mode" and unsigned drivers automatically go away after a Patch Tuesday automatic restart. The price of signing your driver is chump change to a multinational peripheral maker but substantial (200 USD per year) to an individual hobbyist or low-volume maker of custom assistive input devices for people with disabilities. In fact, most certificate authorities don't even offer kernel-mode code signing certificates to individuals, so add on the annual fee for an LLC.
The 64-bit plugin for Linux has never had hardware acceleration enabled. The 32-bit version does... maybe they've finally enabled it in this new version. I'll switch to this if that's the case... otherwise, I'm happy with my 32-bit plugin and smooth full screen video.
Right-click, Settings...
[x] Enable hardware acceleration
Looks promising!
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There are also Mac OSX and Windows versions. http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/16/adobe-releases-64-bit-flash-player/
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... yayyyy ...
It is the universe that makes fun of us all.
Hulu hasn't worked with x86-64 for some time. Hulu blames flash, and Adobe blames Hulu. Wonder if this new vesion will fix things.
I really don't think we should encourage this. Flashers are perverts, and that is all there is to it. Some well meaning people might think that giving them a square plugin (I assume they mean butt plug) will keep their mind off it for a while, but it will just lead to greater depravity.
With this new 64bit flash plugin hulu works via the browser no more need for the hulu desktop app.
Gnash works with youtube. Gnash development has picked up since Adobe dropped the 64bit support. And once you switch there is no reason to go back unless you enjoy your cpu melting and state of the art 0-days
Flash sucks. We're stuck with it.
Let's hope light spark gives us an open alternative without the privacy and security issues.
And let's hope HTML5 audio and video tags take off.
I wish I wasn't at work, I want to download it NOW before they change their minds again and take it offline! I barely caught the last 64bit Linux plugin in time!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I was using the older beta and sites like hulu would not work. So I installed nspluginwrapper (32 and 64 bit) and then installed the 32 bit flash player and it was working pretty well.
I then tried this new plugin, and just removed the flash-plugin rpm. It played videos but when you right clicked it would hang the browser. So I removed nspluginwrapper (32 and 64 bit) and after that I haven't had any more issues with it.
Kevin
There appears to be no HW accel. on my ATI 9250 - still 100% CPU. On this very same hardware on previous Fedora, many moons ago, there was HW accel; full screen with little CPU util.. but I was likely running the 32bit version.
When will they use the common installer system? Most software is simply available through some repository, but Adobe has to be different. Why can VLC be installed from a repository while they are not able to do so?
Tar.gz is not a good way. The manual dependency resolving is so outdated. The simple fact they made the same mistake again will cause me not to install it. The opensource version may not run as smoothly but it is easy to install.
Well, I might have a way, but it only works on a semi spherical planet in a vacuum.
God I love Arch Linux
yaourt -S flashplugin-prerelease
I have never had fullscreen youtube even usable at 480 before, now I can run it fullscreen at 1080p and the controls are perfectly smooth and only using 70% CPU!!!
I never though this day would come. *sniff*
I refuse to use any of the universal package systems out there because they are all junk. Each distro maintainer is free to create a package that wraps the .tar.gz if they choose. That is what Debian/Ubuntu and Arch do.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
It is a pig. Playing videos with this uses about 5x the CPU and 35 watts more power as playing the same video with VLC (measured via a Kill-A-Watt). Details:
Running Ubuntu 10.04 on my Athlon II X4 635 in a 780G motherboard with on-board Radeon HD3200 graphics (using the Radeon driver), playing a 480p clip from Hulu scaled to 1080p full screenuses 220% CPU (eg, over two full cores). If I download the same video from hulu with get_flash_videos, I can play it in VLC with 35% CPU utilization (eg, less than 1/2 of a core). The VLC playback is smooth (as well as add and logo free), while the flashplayer playback is dropping frames.
Note that I tried both huludesktop and a chrome browser window, and got the same (terrible) performance.
Really, that's still the name came up with after careful consideration?
Really, what was wrong with the obvious IceWolf?
Or geckobrowser ?
That this is getting released so shortly after Gnash 0.8.8, which now plays all Youtube content ? I installed the latest Gnash on my 64 bit Linux and it works great. I don't think it's worth my effort to try this the Adobe version now.
The 64-bit plugin seems to be compiled with the optional lahf instruction, which makes it fail on a lot of videos, if your have an early 64bit CPU.
Adobe please fix it.
It's not a 64bit wrapper, this time.
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00007f9280f9f000) /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00007f9280d8d000) /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00007f9280b27000) /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007f92808a1000) /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00007f928066c000) /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f928044e000) /lib/librt.so.1 (0x00007f9280246000) /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927fc24000) /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f976000) /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f755000) /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f52b000) /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f30e000) /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f101000) /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0x00007f927ee7e000) /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927ec33000) /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e9eb000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e7e7000) /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e508000) /usr/lib/libssl3.so (0x00007f927e2d0000) /usr/lib/libsmime3.so (0x00007f927e0a5000) /usr/lib/libnss3.so (0x00007f927dd6c000) /usr/lib/libnssutil3.so (0x00007f927db4d000) /usr/lib/libplds4.so (0x00007f927d949000) /usr/lib/libplc4.so (0x00007f927d743000) /usr/lib/libnspr4.so (0x00007f927d507000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f927d303000) /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007f927d07f000) /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f927ccfc000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9281f77000) /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x00007f927cae0000) /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00007f927c8d6000) /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00007f927c6bb000) /lib/libz.so.1 (0x00007f927c4a4000) /lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x00007f927c27a000) /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00007f927c070000) /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x00007f927be6d000) /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x00007f927bc5c000) /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x00007f927ba53000)
~ shasum flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz libflashplayer.so
119cc23b8b7e7131a7e2b84df17ef8941abb317f flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz
63945787e32ed62d98a87810504d2d98321b4dcc libflashplayer.so
~ file libflashplayer.so
libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
~ ldd libflashplayer.so
linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fff90649000)
libX11.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libXt.so.6 =>
libfreetype.so.6 =>
libfontconfig.so.1 =>
libpthread.so.0 =>
librt.so.1 =>
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libatk-1.0.so.0 =>
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 =>
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 =>
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 =>
libcairo.so.2 =>
libpango-1.0.so.0 =>
libgobject-2.0.so.0 =>
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 =>
libglib-2.0.so.0 =>
libssl3.so =>
libsmime3.so =>
libnss3.so =>
libnssutil3.so =>
libplds4.so =>
libplc4.so =>
libnspr4.so =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libc.so.6 =>
libxcb.so.1 =>
libSM.so.6 =>
libICE.so.6 =>
libz.so.1 =>
libexpat.so.1 =>
libXrender.so.1 =>
libXinerama.so.1 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXrandr.so.2 =>
libXcurso
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
My biggest hope for the 64-bit Linux Flash was that Pandora will not crash. It crashed after only 10 minutes. Bummer.....
Now i can waste the resources on a 64 bit machine too. If they would just FIX it i think they would have a lot of happy users.
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Looks like xkcd needs to be updated.
Pity it's only x86-64.
Guess that's the problem with closed source.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
I don't really know, but I suspect that they did that just because this is a preview and they haven't bothered with packaging it yet.
Or, maybe, they realize that if they just release it as a .tar.gz, then the distros will package it up for them, and they don't have to do anything? I'm sure someone will package this up in a deb for debian, ubuntu, and similar. Meanwhile, someone *else* will package it as an rpm for Suse/RedHat/Fedora/etc.
As long as it's available as a tarball, and the license terms allow redistribution, packaging pretty much takes care of itself.
ebuild is a form of wrapper. arch works the same way, except it's better designed than gentoo.
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which I have verified works on my Debian Lenny LTSP server by simply copying libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
Can we stop for a moment to appreciate the irony of doing this on Debian/IceWeasel? Debian is the ultimate in completely open-source Linux: so much that they created IceWeasel just to avoid using the Mozilla foundation's copyrighted logo. And so someone installed the closed source Flash player on it. Doing that is like a vegan becoming a cannibal.
During my latest 64-bit Mandriva Linux upgrade, I accidentally nuked the previous 64-bit plugin beta version, and I was dismayed to find Adobe no longer provided it on their site. After this /. article I rushed to the site to grab it just in case some corporate strategist makes it unavailable again... Works fine with Mandriva 2010.1 on Pentium D @3.2Ghz (don't laugh, I got the board cheap and the performance is more than adequate for my needs). Much better than the 32-bit plugin version with nspluginwrapper.
Not sure if I should thank them or not, though. Giving something, then capriciously taking it away, then giving it again would be bad behaviour in a real human.
Can anyone confirm if the ("not a bug") bug of requiring Flash to retain focus in full-screen mode has been fixed?
The only reason I still boot to Windows is if I want to watch some Flash videos in full-screen while working on a second monitor.
Thanks its working and no need to install nspluginwrapper and hundreds of dependencies. I have installed flash-player on my 64bit Fedora 13 under nswarpper which also installed hundreds of deps.
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ Or ~/.mozilla/plugins/.
Thanks to yum history features I have successfully uninstalled all the deps
Get ride of nswarpper and hell of deps
1. sudo yum history list nspluginwrapper (this gives me the ID)
2. sudo yum history info 12 (gives me the list of packages installed within transaction # 12)
Undo the transaction # 12
3. sudo yum history undo 12
1. Download the 64bit flash-player from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
2. To extract libflashplayer.so
tar zxvf flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz
3. Copy the libflashplayer.so to firefox plugin directory
sudo cp libflashplayer.so
4. Restart Firefox
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As opposed to all those mythical Itanium systems we home users have?
Why Adobe chooses to not even say what version number they are releasing is beyond understanding....
But it is: 10.2.161.22
I was running an older Linux 64bit (I think it was 64 bit) version inside flashplayer-plugin-10.1.53.64-1mdv2010.1.rpm and it worked, but it crashed/froze often, requiring me to restart Firefox every few days (or more). This new version seems to run fine, but only time will tell if it is reliable.
Power?
Mips?
Arm64?
Sparc64?
Just given up the fight to Intel/AMD? Lie back and enjoy it.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
.... err because there's so many of those floating around as casual desktop machines for people to youtube as well.
:-)
Every business should pick it's target market. I'm a fan of open source but even I thought believe that a company should open source their software for the express purpose of increasing their market share by 10 computers.
Market?
I pay for flash viewers?
Not very often.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
which package manager becomes the standard? there are several of them. the current solution of letting the distro owners repackage works, it solves the dependencies, and it doesn't attempt to centralize a standard package format which at this time appears to be impossible.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
with sound (which I was never able to figure out with running the 32-bit version with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio)
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
You hear that? SOUND! From the flash plugin! I haven't heard a peep out of this damn thing in a couple of years now. This is awesome!
I need to go write Adobe a nice note.
For 32 bit Flash 10.1, if you use Ubuntu 9.04 (or later) Flash is distributed via the partner repository. If you use Fedora/RHEL (or a distro that uses yum) you can add a yum repo from the Adobe website. The last link also has RPM and deb packages too. SUSE package Flash directly in their repositories too.
I think for a preview release the need to use package management for a single binary could be considered overkill. Further it's really the repositories that are useful in this case so you are automatically to newer versions when issues are fixed and Adobe are only have devote resources for "official" releases.
I found that the new version does not create and save tmp files in tmp; I can no longer grab them except in limited cases in the browser cache.