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VMware Looks To Acquire Novell's SUSE Unit

minutetraders writes "According to the Wall Street Journal, VMware is attempting to acquire Novell's SUSE Linux operating system business. This move would give VMware a full stack of enterprise software and allow it to establish itself as a full-blown infrastructure and software vendor in direct competition with Red Hat." The WSJ report is behind a paywall, but it's accessible in full through a Google search.

161 comments

  1. why not just acquire all of Novell by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    - with one exception - dump Miguel. Please. Mono is something you see a doctor about. Let's keep it that way.

    1. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by JamesP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really, no

      Keep Miguel, he's underrated (and unjustly hated) by lots of people.

      Mono, free software, patents, MS is evil, blah blah blah

      The guy started Gnome (ok, I hate it) but it's a solid work.

      Mono is also a solid work. And Oracle has just shown that there are issues with Java as well w.r.t patents and stuff

      Also, Mono is something I see as embrace-extend backwards, that is, Mono does that to MS

      Really, Miguel may be 'debatable' sometimes, but he's valuable

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    2. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by bsDaemon · · Score: 0, Troll

      Underrated? I'd say he's overrated in that he doesn't even really deserve the controversy. Theo De Raadt is more worth debating (and only just a little more), but the OpenBSD project, whether you use it or not, is responsible for OpenSSL and OpenSSH and damned near the entire world relies on those. I don't think I've consciously used a Mono-based piece of software ever, and don't particularly care for Gnome since its started to get lame, or KDE which has always been lame.

      Plus, Oracle didn't show anything about Java that people didn't already know: Java's not really entirely free as in "its my sexy software, i'll do what i want", and Oracle isn't as friendly about things as Sun. a .net CLI thats perpetually playing catch-up with Microsoft's version isn't going to be a replacement for Java in any meaningful way that I can see, and its not like we'd be any worse off without either, anyway.

    3. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      so... you throw away java, mono and .net, also kde, gnome,... what's left then?? I suppose you're a BSD guy, but I'm *very* curious (seriously! really!) what desktop are you using and what is your language of choice?

    4. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      so... you throw away java, mono and .net, also kde, gnome,... what's left then?? I suppose you're a BSD guy, but I'm *very* curious (seriously! really!) what desktop are you using and what is your language of choice?

      Who says he's using a desktop?

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    5. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back in the day before "desktops" we had these things called window managers. And as a system admin, if a project is too big to be fixed with Perl, then it probably requires something in C. These are just my personal feelings on the matter though. I did buy a Mac 'cause I was sick of poor power management and lame wifi support on both FreeBSD and Linux, though. I have servers I don't run GUIs on, and I have VMWare for small experiments. I'm happy with the setup.

    6. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Real men use punchcards and a teletype.

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    7. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would have fully paid the $999 for the BSD/OS license when I was in high school, but they rolled back a bunch of the stuff into FreeBSD, which I could buy for about $30 (this was in dialup days still, and i didn't have the time to actually download stuff that big). I did pay the $150 or whatever for XiG accelerated X server, because it ran better through Linux ABI that XFree86 did natively.

      If you've been around the floss stuff for a while, it can rub off some, but frankly, the older I get the less I care about the politics of "free software" or whatever. I don't mind paying to get something that works and saves me time, rather than cobbling together a less-than-optimal solution for geek credit.

    8. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by mdm-adph · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there's suddenly a problem with Java w.r.t. patents and stuff, would the alternative really be something "open source" based upon a Microsoft product? :\

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    9. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      Real men use bits of wire and and a soldering iron.

    10. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are not Mono's target audience. Big enterprise is Mono's target. I know one shop here in town that is mostly Java on RHEL. A year or two ago they acquired a smaller company which had some Java apps, but a few of their offerings were C#/.Net

      They set up some SLES boxes, configured mono, made some code tweaks to the application (I think most of that was porting the DB from SQLServer to Oracle) and had everything up in running within weeks of acquiring the company and a fraction of the cost of buying & supporting windows servers and licensing costs in addition to their normal linux/oracle stack. It's not just the licenses, but the cost to hire additional people to run the things that quickly adds up.

      Really, it's only the "community" and the zealots (many of whom are here on /.) that really give a crap about the ideology. The rest of the world wants something that works can gives them options.

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    11. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dude, whatever you are smoking can you please share it.

      Gnome perpetrates Winhoze coding practices into the unix world. Just take any piece of gnome code and read it. Carefully. And follow the code design, not just the code "quality".

      Let's just take ekiga as an example, though any gnome app will do.

      The state machine is tightly coupled with the UI just like a Windows application. As a result making it use multiple CPUs properly or reusing the code for anything other than another Gnome application is impossible. Not surprisingly it triggers races in underlying (similarly badly coded) libraries like there is no tomorrow. Same for having the UI stripped away. This is impossible. And just do not get me started on the subject of trying to integrate something to a piece of gnome code. Because the apps state machines are built around the UI half of the key functions that should show up on dbus end up as inaccessible. Taking same ekiga as an example - call is exposed while hangup is not because it is so UI-tied up that there is no way in hell to expose it.

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    12. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by butalearner · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mono is also a solid work. And Oracle has just shown that there are issues with Java as well w.r.t patents and stuff

      Java is perfectly fine. It's when you want to mess with the bytecode and VM implementation that you can run into trouble. Mono, on the other hand, the main implementation already violates MS patents for which there is no patent protection (e.g. ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Windows Forms).

    13. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by rantomaniac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While personally I think Mono is a very nice piece of technology, in many ways superior to the Java platform... in my eyes Miguel lost all credibility back when he endorsed OOXML and later Silverlight.
      Helping Microsoft embrace/extend the web with Silverlight by giving the illusion that it's cross-platform was the last straw.
      For reference, Silverlight is neither cross-platform by design, because it's able to call native DLLs, or in practice because Moonlight is waaay behind.

    14. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably assuming that the poster above wants to actually use his machine.

    15. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, I can understand, if not agree with the sentiment that Apple is bad because they release so little of their software and, have a closed ecosystem, use a Walled Garden approach, etc ad nauseum; but "leeches off free software"? From everything I've read Apple is a pretty good company to work with when it come to them using your project. They follow license terms of course; but also contribute patches, work with project leads, and generally try to be good members of communities. They've also created at least one large project that I know of. I understand that in your ideal world they would simply open up everything they do, but failing that how could they be better members of the community?

      Free Software projects exist to be used. The people that wrote them and released them presumably want people to use them. Apple uses them, follows the rules imposed to use them, and often goes out of their way to be more helpful than they really have to be. What more can you ask for?

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    16. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Check out OpenJDK and Icedtea. Oracle is suing Google for Java related patents, but that doesn't affect Java developers, because any Java implementation that conforms to the old specs by Sun is covered.

    17. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      real men carve the gears of their difference engine with an hammer and chisel.

    18. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Winhoze? Seriously?

    19. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by greenskyx · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Miguel rocks. Just look at how well Mono is doing. It's being widely used to write iPhone/pod/pad applications with MonoTouch and it they are extending the tool so it can write Android applications as well.

    20. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by NickFortune · · Score: 3, Informative

      what desktop are you using and what is your language of choice?

      If I can jump in here: I use FVWM with a heavily customised config file. Languages of choice, depending on the task at hand, are C, C++, Perl, and (currently) Lua or Ruby. That's running Linux, rather than BSD. I do use some Gnome and KDE apps.

      I've never used Java for anything significant. I did use Mono professionally for three to four years, a couple of years ago, I can safely say that I don't miss it in the least.

      Gnome is all right, and I quite like KDE, but both of them consume a lot of resources to provide a set of integration features that I don't need and rarely use. And I've rather got used to having a desktop that does things my way, rather than whatever is current trendy in the relevant communities.

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    21. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      so... you throw away java, mono and .net, also kde, gnome,... what's left then?? I suppose you're a BSD guy, but I'm *very* curious (seriously! really!) what desktop are you using and what is your language of choice?

      Who says he's using a desktop?

      Honestly folks, I wasn't trolling. Sheesh.

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    22. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's probably assuming that the poster above wants to actually use his machine.

      Well, that depends upon what you're using it to do. You don't need a fancy GUI for a lot of things. Take someone who's just doing the edit, compile, run routine for an embedded system, for instance. Or, maybe he's from some country where fast computers are hard to come by, and he's running on older hardware.

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    23. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Lennie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you don't want to use .net and java, but looking for something similair, why not Vala ?

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    24. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Lennie · · Score: 0, Redundant

      If you don't want to use java, you don't need to go with .net, why not Vala ?

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    25. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Informative

      > so... you throw away java, mono and .net, also kde, gnome,... what's left then??

      What do you mean, "What's left?" How about - an entire universe less five apps?

      Or let's talk about what we NEED and see where these bits fit in.

      I need to type commands at a shell prompt. So I need a terminal. I need to be able to use more than one terminal at once, and don't have the desktop space for 100 computers. So I need some kind of multi terminal display thingy. X11 does that fairly well, when your terminal is an xterm. But straight X11 sucks when you have many windows overlapping and stuff -- so I need a window manager, too; I use fvwm 1.24 (and have for well over a decade). I also need to edit source code; I use emacs for that. Emacs will run in either a terminal window, or an X window.

      # end of needs

      See how I didn't say "KDE", "gnome", or ".net". I sure as hell don't need a program menu, a start button, or semi-transparent windows with spinning skulls and flames in the background.

      My whole stack, end-to-end is written in C or C++, except emacs, which has a bunch of LISP in it. My day-to-day application development is done in C, or a CommonJS dialect when speed doesn't matter and I want a garbage collector, exceptions, and so on.

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    26. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Shit, were you dealing drugs in high school? If I had $999 then I probably would have tried finding a hooker, but alas - this is slashdot... :)

    27. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by JamesP · · Score: 1

      Helping Microsoft embrace/extend the web with Silverlight by giving the illusion that it's cross-platform was the last straw.

      Well, see how that has worked out quite well! Oh wait, it didn't, everybody keeps using flash and now HTML5. Silverlight is stillborn.

      I guess it's because Flash is designer centered whereas SL is developer centered. Also much easier to use than wathever MS did for SL.

      For reference, Silverlight is neither cross-platform by design, because it's able to call native DLLs, or in practice because Moonlight is waaay behind.

      I never tried Moonlight, but all vm / interpreted languages can usually call native code. That's with .NET, Python, Java, etc.

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    28. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Every little girl wants a pony, and my sister got a damned $20,000 thoroughbred. The way I viewed, my parents needed to even up the balance sheet. At least the stuff I was into was marginally educational. My sister isn't employed riding horses.

    29. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by canistel · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've been looking into vala, but it's just not up to snuff yet when you compare it to the complete java ecosystem (ide's, documentation, libraries, forum support etc).

      Looks very interesting though, and would definitely give it a more serious look once it matures a little more.

    30. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by MogNuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I remember those days. I miss them. I remember how XiG was so much faster. But most of all I loved the easy, GUI setup. I used to hate using, what was it, xg86cfg or whatever? Can't even remember. And then setting my monitor's horizontal and vertical values or whatever it was.

      I loved just having Bash at my disposal and exploring the system through a CLI. So much fun. Now everything lacks the mystery and exploration aspect that computers used to have.

    31. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      real men carve the gears of their difference engine with an hammer and chisel.

      I disagree. Real make those gears by gnawing granite blocks with their teeth.

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    32. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      [..] Theo De Raadt is more worth debating (and only just a little more), but the OpenBSD project, whether you use it or not, is responsible for OpenSSL and OpenSSH and damned near the entire world relies on those.[..]

      OpenSSH yes.. OpenSSL no.. OpenSSL has nothing to do with OpenBSD other than the word "Open" in their name. The fact is the OpenSSH developers keep bashing in the OpenSSL developer's skulls in every time they do something stupid like change an API for no good reason.

    33. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by MogNuts · · Score: 1

      You have a 5-digit UID and you're still calling it Wonhoze? :)

      Anyway, I have a different take on it than you. The developer just wanted a mature, visually appealing, and featureful library to make his/her life easier. And this is GNU stuff here. So even though it may not match easthetically (say if you use E17/Sawmill/FVWM/etc.), anyone can download the Gnome library and use (and display) the application anyways.

      Whats wrong with that?

    34. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by rantomaniac · · Score: 2, Informative

      I never tried Moonlight, but all vm / interpreted languages can usually call native code. That's with .NET, Python, Java, etc.

      Sure, but we're talking about web apps, there's a different standard of openness, accessibility and security we expect from those. Neither javascript in browsers nor actionscript in flash allow native code.

    35. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by fwarren · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really, it's only the "community" and the zealots (many of whom are here on /.) that really give a crap about the ideology

      I have given a lot of thought to this subject. In regards to politics, copyright law, and free software. It is only the nuts that are unreasonable that change the world. The question is all a matter of timing and is right now the time to fight. There are those who fight to soon and are marginal and die on the sidelines. Then there is a time when people are just a little to soon and are considered inflexible, eccentric or a little nutty.

      Take a look at the founding of the United States, or of Women's Rights, or the Abolition of Slavery, in England, France, the United States etc. Going from horses to cars, harnessing steam, the world being round. All things that we take for granted now. But there was a time people could be killed for expressing such views. Then there was a time they were just considered nutty. Then there was a time where someone was unreasonable and the world bent to their view, instead of the other way around.

      The better question is how principled are we. With all intellectual honesty, it is right that people should be able to govern their lives, have religious freedom, for women to have rights, for a person to not be a slave and enjoy the rewards for the work of the sweat of their brow? Is the same to be said of software freedom? If it is we should stand for it and bend the world to our will. It is up to each of us to determine in the short term if we should run non-free software to get work done now.

      If I sound crazy, then it was just to soon to say this.

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    36. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by 21mhz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let's just take ekiga as an example, though any gnome app will do.

      The state machine is tightly coupled with the UI just like a Windows application. As a result making it use multiple CPUs properly or reusing the code for anything other than another Gnome application is impossible. Not surprisingly it triggers races in underlying (similarly badly coded) libraries like there is no tomorrow. Same for having the UI stripped away. This is impossible.

      That's why GNOME has switched to Empathy, just another GNOME app but done right.

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    37. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sounds like she took your parents for a ride, though...

    38. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by fandingo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would tend to agree with you about Apple's contributions. However, they are currently in a spat with the FSF over the GCC project. The FSF runs GCC and requires copyright assignment for all code contributions. Presumbably this is so they can quickly upgrade to the newwst GPL license (the Linux kernel is configured almost the opposite way, making the "upgrade" GPLv3 a non-option). Apple has spent a lot of time improving the Objective-C compiler in GCC, but isn't going to assign copyright for that work.
      What this means:
      1) All code created by Apple is still GPL (not sure of version). Copright: Apple, Inc.: Licensed: GPL.
      2) Apple's code is not merged to the official GCC source tree.
      3) Not really any user disrruptions.
      Mac OS X/iOS are basically the only systems that use Object-C, and Apple provides the best implementation of Ojective-C via Apple's source tree. Other GCC-using platforms probably won't go through the effort of merging Apple's patches, but it's not likely that their users would even be interested in Objective-C.

      Really the only thing that matters is that the FSF and Apple have not done a good job of working with one another.

      Otherwise, Apple does a good job of working with free software projects. I think one of the best examples is CUPS. About three years ago Apple purchased all of the CUPS code. Apple has kept the project open, and nothing bad happened. Granted, there wasn't much fear of anything bad happening, and CUPS isn't exactly breath-taking technology, but everything worked out great.

    39. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      oh? http://xkcd.com/505/

    40. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by sznupi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The closing sentiment is a thing which can be found even in the earliest written words surviving to our times, anyway. Together with how the moral decay of youth will destroy civilisation.

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    41. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Also, Mono is something I see as embrace-extend backwards, that is, Mono does that to MS

      Never assume that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

    42. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Java is perfectly fine. It's when you want to mess with the bytecode and VM implementation that you can run into trouble.

      Are you saying that Java is open source except where you can't actually do things to it that you are supposed to be able to do with open source?

      Mono, on the other hand, the main implementation already violates MS patents for which there is no patent protection (e.g. ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Windows Forms).

      Who in a sane mind would even want to use any of those on Unix, though? Gtk# is where it is, and it is not subject to any MS patents (obviously). While the language, binary format, VM semantics, and base class library are all under Open Spec Promise, so patents there do not apply.

    43. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem paying for "free" software either (we have SuSE and other paid appliances using Linux, Apache and PHP), but I wont use some software that cost nothing but has no freedom (Silverlight, Skype). But unless they are just being comepltely Lazy, why dont they just release a distro themselves?

    44. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming it's a common case scenario and not a 0.01% thing.

    45. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming it's a common case scenario and not a 0.01% thing.

      I know. I was just nitpicking. One of those days.

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    46. Re:why not just acquire all of Novell by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Slightly more to that story - while probably hardly anybody even cares about those Objective-C patches...FSF has GNUstep, so they might, a bit.

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  2. Google Search of WSJ Articles by freefal67 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I had previously noticed that this works for all WSJ articles. Does anyone know why? Is Google paying the WSJ for content?

    1. Re:Google Search of WSJ Articles by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you don't present google with the content they won't index it. If they index it, they cache it. I've noticed that some things can't be pulled from google's cache so I assume that they have agreements with some not to display caches. From this half-baked assumption I further assume that they have had the discussion with the newspapers, told them that news wants to be free, and that if they don't like it they can certainly deindex them.

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    2. Re:Google Search of WSJ Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had previously noticed that this works for all WSJ articles. Does anyone know why? Is Google paying the WSJ for content?

      They may be checking the user agent string and allowing one that says "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.google.com/bot.html)".

    3. Re:Google Search of WSJ Articles by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      I'd place greater emphasis on that last part. If a publisher becomes aware of the cache loophole and contacts Google about it, they most likely send out a canned reply in the spirit of "this is the way we roll. If you don't like it, there's the door.". I can't find the article at the moment but there's been more than one occasion where someone at Google made it clear that they don't design their software according to publisher's needs -- no one's forcing you to remain indexed, the decision is yours. There may be some exceptions with the very big players (Murdoch), but not many.

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    4. Re:Google Search of WSJ Articles by amorsen · · Score: 1

      I think you can achieve that with:

      <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOARCHIVE">

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  3. Not SuSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should acquire Mandriva. It's just as good an Enterprise distro and casn be had for much less.

    1. Re:Not SuSE by DrgnDancer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It won't be taken as seriously. You can *say* it's as good as an Enterprise Distro, it might even *be* as good. People that buy OSes for companies want to see a name they recognize. Right now those names are Red Hat (not available), SuSE, and to a less extent Canonical/Ubuntu (not available). Red Hat would probably be the one everyone wants to buy, but between being the market leader and being fairly profitable (not Microsoft or Apple levels of profitable, but plenty of money to keep everyone in kibble for sure), that's not much of an option.

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    2. Re:Not SuSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mandriva is still a bargain and is more compatable with ReHat than SuSe.

      It's still pretty well-known in Europe and South America, just not in Nrth America.

      It suffers only from crappy graphics and poor management, but it is an Enterprise-class distro.

    3. Re:Not SuSE by durdur · · Score: 1

      Red Hat would probably be the one everyone wants to buy, but between being the market leader and being fairly profitable (not Microsoft or Apple levels of profitable, but plenty of money to keep everyone in kibble for sure), that's not much of an option.

      Red Hat has a market cap of around $7 billion. It's possible they will be acquired, if not by VMware, but the stock has always been high-priced relative to earnings, so that makes it unattractive. But buying SUSE is not a great alternative, IMO. Why would you want to own a company that is not profitable? Also, SUSE has no equivalent of the JBoss assets Red Hat has.

    4. Re:Not SuSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll have to re-brand it - they'll call it 'VMWare OS' or something. It may take a year or two but I think they could do it. They could offer VMWare branded support, and hawk better integration with VMWare overall (OS deployment and monitoring tools, etc.). My previous company was very happy with VMWare, and like many companies didn't like having to deal with too many different vendors, so this would be appealing to them.

    5. Re:Not SuSE by sznupi · · Score: 1

      SUSE is now profitable by itself. And quite deployed in some parts of the world / those continuing contracts might be nice.

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    6. Re:Not SuSE by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Why would you re-brand something that is known around the world as a mature, stable enterprise OS?

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    7. Re:Not SuSE by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      They could be acquired if enough of the preferred shares are available, but a good chunk, if not the majority of Red Hat's preferred shares are in the hands of company officers and Open Source partisans IIRC. Those people could simply refuse to sell the stock at any price. Since the company is doing well (relatively speaking), there's no real leverage to force the issue. Of course someone like Apple or Oracle could dangle so much money that people essentially couldn't refuse, but it would probably take more than $7 billion. There's a pretty small number of companies in the world that could do that, and I don't see most of those having an interest.

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    8. Re:Not SuSE by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      People that buy OSes for companies want to see a name they recognize.

      Like, um, Novell?

    9. Re:Not SuSE by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what your point is? My parent said that VMWare should buy Mandriva instead or SuSE. I said that buying Mandriva would be a mistake because companies want name recognition in their OS purchases, and that SuSE would be a better choice. Now you say that Novell has name recognition... This is true, but beside the point. Novell is not up for sale, its SuSE division is. Even if it were all of Novell that was up for sale your comment would reinforce my point, not counter it. Yes, having the Novell name associated with your product is good. That's immaterial to whether VMWare buy Mandriva instead of SuSE.

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    10. Re:Not SuSE by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      They won't have to call it SUSE, they could call it NovellOS, Novell Linux, anything they want. If they're buying a distro company it doesn't really matter which company has the best name, it matters that the product suits their customers' purposes. Microsoft does this all the time; who ever heard of "Stacker" before MS screwed them over?

      What I wouldn't like is if they bought Suse just to ruin, kill, and bury it like MS did with Foxpro (I used to love that DBMS).

    11. Re:Not SuSE by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative
      Mandriva is dead. Almost all the devs have either quit or been fired in the last week. read moe here, the goodbyes on Cooker here, and the newest "plan" - to move development of Mandriva to Brazil here and turn it into a BRIC- country distro. Forget that China already has Red Flag Linux. Forget that they were able to grab Connectiva (a Brazilian distro) and killed the brand. Forget that ALT Linux is an actively maintained Russian distro with a new release earlier today.

      Mandriva has lost 30 million euros, unable even to win over its' home market despite the government helping push them in education. It's dead, Jim!

    12. Re:Not SuSE by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Umm. Novell already owns SuSE. They have for years. They're trying to sell it not buy it. VMWare is the potential buyer and they have no name recognition in the OS field. Hence it would be good for them to buy a recognized name.

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    13. Re:Not SuSE by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I guess I got it backwards then. SuSE is a lot more well known than VMWare, to most non-IT people (Like CEOs and CTOs).

      The biggest reason for MS' dominance (besides the fact that it's hard to by a non-Apple computer without it preinstalled) is that nobody but nerds have ever heard of Linux.

  4. Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Discovers that it now "accidentally" "owns" "Linux", and GRRRRRAARGH! BALLMER SMASH PUNY KERNEL!

    You read it here first, although doubtless many more times below. It's coming. I can feel it coming in the air tonight (drum break).

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    1. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      Discovers that it now "accidentally" "owns" "Linux", and GRRRRRAARGH! BALLMER SMASH PUNY KERNEL!

      You read it here first, although doubtless many more times below. It's coming. I can feel it coming in the air tonight (drum break).

      Ssh, don't give them ideas.

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    2. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Well..., maybe. It is certainly in the realm of the possible, but somehow, I have a feeling that if VMware keeps doing things right, they would be inclined to extend their middle finger at Microsoft when Microsoft arrives with their checkbook. Now, of course, the big question is "Does buying SUSE count as 'doing things right'?" That's a very big question. Getting to the point where you can take make serious runs at Windows Server and RHEL is the only scenario where this acquisition makes sense, and that is a tall, tall order, IMO.
      It will be fun to watch, regardless. Red Hat should pay close attention.

    3. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see Microsoft acquiring EMC anytime soon.

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    4. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by angloquebecer · · Score: 1

      Why would Microsoft wait for VMWare to buy Novell, when they could just buy Novell now?

    5. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe but Microsoft already bought the Virtual PC stuff and has been running with that. They could have bought VMware for cheap back then but did not.

    6. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by jonescb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      VMWare is actually pretty friendly to open source. Granted their flagship products aren't open source, but they bought Tungsten Graphics a couple years back which was known for their work on Mesa and X.org. And VMWare still employs a bunch of X.org developers. So if they buy Suse, I don't believe they'll do anything harmful with it.

    7. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by FlyingGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would never get past the DOJ or FTC or their European equivalents not even when Bush was President.

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    8. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They used to make a vmware esx client for linux, but not anymore... If you run any of their highend products, you are stuck running windows boxes for management...

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    9. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by FlyingGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And this was modded troll why? But then again I don't really give a fuck.

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    10. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Stachybotris · · Score: 1

      I would be exceptionally happy if this acquisition meant a return of the linux-native VM Infrastructure Client, even if nothing else came of it.

    11. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Courageous · · Score: 1

      VMWare is 80% held by EMC. I doubt EMC will sell. Regardless, such an acquisition would not pass antitrust inspection.

    12. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see Microsoft acquiring EMC anytime soon.

      EMC's market cap is $42B

      Microsoft's market cap is $217B

      (Rumors occasionally circulate that Cisco might be a buyer for EMC. Their market cap is $125B.)

      If Cisco could buy EMC, then I don't suppose much would stop Microsoft from buying EMC either.

      That presumes that Microsoft would want Novell/SuSE and that VMWare would somehow snatch it up before Microsoft could. I'm sure Novell would love to see a bidding war between EMC/VMWare and Microsoft.

    13. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by kimvette · · Score: 2, Informative

      And this was modded troll why?

      Because many people abuse the mod system so your post wasn't modded for any reason for -1, disagree. Rather than focusing on modding up rather than down, jerks mod non-troll/non-flamebait posts as troll or flamebait to skew the discussion.

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    14. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by hab136 · · Score: 1

      Just make one Windows VM with the vSphere client installed that all the admins can log in to, and run whatever OS you want elsewhere. Done.

    15. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Counterpoints: EMC is staffed by utter cretins - draw your own conclusions about their management from that. And after the Oracle/Sun debacle, antitrust is just a bad joke.

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    16. Re:Then Microsoft acquires VMWare by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You said the B-word. You might as well have pointed out Obama's true religion. By which I mean, he's a Goa'uld. Apophis-looking mu'fu, and no mistake.

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  5. Great news by dpolak · · Score: 0

    This is great news! VMWare is growing and a fantastic product as is SuSE but Novell just couldn't do the job and didn't have the funds. I would love to see what VMWare's budget can do for SuSE.

  6. As a loyal Novell customer by m0s3m8n · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This news seems to me to be another bad omen. We run NetWare, Border Manager, ZENworks and Groupwise and have been very happy for many years. However, Novell seems to be a ship without a rudder and as the IT Director will cause me to consider other alternatives, including Microsoft.

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    1. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can anyone be happy with the crud that is Border Manager, ZENworks and Groupwise? NetWare... I understand, but the other three are awful. And have you considered the usability of the Groupwise client?

    2. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      I'm forced to agree. He may be happy, but none of his users are if he's using zenworks and groupwise.

      I've found novell customers exhibit the same symptoms as battered wives; at first they are confused, then they are greatful for the few acts of kindness they receive, then finally they feel like they've done something wrong, but he's really a great guy.

      Wake up call folks; NOVELL SUCKS. They HAD good products, but have since been eclipsed by MS and AD. Their product is painful to use and doesn't stand up to the competition, especially when you factor in all the support the competition has.

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    3. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Novell has been that way for a very long time I fear.
      Netware was great. I have not used it for years but if you need a NAS it is probably still a good way to go. It probably flies on modern hardware.
      Novell bought WordPerfect ,Quattro Pro and Unix and ran them right into the ground or at least just let them waste away.
      Novell could have intergrated Netware services onto Unix which they only half hearty did now they are really pushing for that on Linux which is a little late.
      WordPerfect and Quattro Pro where both very good programs but Novell never really put the effort in them to take on Microsoft.

      VMWare buying them is interesting. I could see VMWare making their own Linux system. Make VMWare into a full OS that you then install Linux or Windows on top off.
      I don't know if a client Linux makes any real sense for them.

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    4. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're about ten years late there skippy.

    5. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by FlyingGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really crud is it? Then Please tell me about: an equivalent open source piece of software that Encompasses all the features of :

      • Border Manager
      • Zen Works
      • NetWare
      • GroupWise

      Please do educate us ( at least me ) as to ready to install software that can duplicate or exceed the capabilities of each of those that does not have the Microsoft label. Because as it is I am ready to through Novell under the train, but not until I can do so without turning to The Empire.

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    6. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      Hmmm are sure your not Steve Balmer in disguise?

      You must be because you have not spoken of any other product except for Microsoft that could replace their suite of software

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    7. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your only motivation to not use Microsoft is because they are Microsoft? Or do you just want everything for free and do not pay any support contracts? As an IT Director, I would think you would be agnostic about vendors and get the right tool for the job...not refer to vendors as "The Empire". Personally, I run heterogenous environments and have for years...usually a mix of Windows and Linux...with an occasional Solaris box lying around.

    8. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Petaris · · Score: 1

      I disagree. And if you knew how to use ZENworks correctly you would find that its a great product. And for a school it comes at a great price (very much discounted) if you use the SLA. Also eDir is much friendlier to work with then AD and it far more compatible with other software that requires LDAP to function. AD's version of LDAP access required specially tweaked Kerberos configs since MS doesn't follow standards. I will agree thought that Netware is a bit long in the tooth but SLES 10 and OES 2 are good products and make for a good replacement. Now Novell just needs to get the last of their products moved over so that I no longer need a solitary Netware server for NSM (supposedly v. 3 will run on SLES), and a few others.

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    9. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by m0s3m8n · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      A little harsh. Maybe you should stop playing WOW in your mom's basement and find a vagina or something.

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    10. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      This could be a good thing for Novell VMware is financially stable and can help Novell with OES linux development. I think Suse is a great linux distro but needs to be developed better. Plus Novell is in need of better management there was a time when Novell was a head of Microsoft they have fallen behind in recent years.

    11. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by youngec · · Score: 1

      If you're using products from one company (Novell) that *aren't* open source, then what's wrong with using products from another company (Microsoft) that aren't open source?

    12. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      Oh I have no trouble paying for support contracts in the least. But I have yet to see anything from the Open Source world that comes even close to the level of polish and usability of any of those products that does not come from Microsoft.

      And yes, I do have a problem using MS stuff as I do have a sense of morals and ethics.

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    13. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by certain+death · · Score: 1

      They have integrated Netware services with UNIX and Linux...YEARS AGO! They just don't know how to market the awesomeness of their main money maker, that being eDirectory. One place I worked for several years had E10Ks named SUNEDIR1 and SUNEDIR2...HUGE eDirectory servers running on...Solaris!

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    14. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      My shop has been Novell ever since they got an internal network around 1995 or so. They're in the process of going all-Microsoft now.

      Glad I'm close to retiring, I don't like much of MS's software.

    15. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by FlyingGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because I have a sense of morals and ethics

      Some of Microsoft's stuff is not half bad, but I personally will not support that company with my money, or my clients. I had a client that was fairly lucrative and then they got it into their heads that they should go ALL ms ALL the way. I was professional about it and found them a company that would do it, but then I invited the principle to lunch and told them I was letting them go.

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    16. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you use Novell which would never do anything underhanded for business?

    17. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by JumpDrive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem I had with Netware and eDirectory was the price. After pricing the system out for our needs, I was running close to the cost of a MS system. So why would I jump into buying a product which costs almost as much as MS's, and then having to deal with users who everytime we have a problem are going to blame the IT group for buying it because we are such haters of MS .
      It would help if they did some more advertising though.
      It is much easier to use GoDaddy for web services just because they advertise during the SuperBowl.
      Man I never understood the power of 30 seconds during the Super Bowl until I came out into the real world.
      All they would need to do is show a monkey typing on a computer with a network screen in front of him and executives will talk about it. Just need to throw in a woman dancing and Purchase Requests would sail right through.

    18. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by certain+death · · Score: 1

      If I only had mod points, I would for sure give you a +5 funny for the advertising scheme! I think you nailed that one! :o)

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    19. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      I read all three of your references. What are you fucking kidding me??? You compare that to the crap MS has pulled over the years? Thanks for the laugh.

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    20. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      eDirectory isn't the problem, it's the local workstation client that is problematic.

      All in all, however, edirectory is probably the best of their products ( even considering the downside of having to use the client on the local workstation ). It's the only one I could stomach using.

      Zenworks and groupwise, however...ug.

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    21. Re:As a loyal Novell customer by Degrees · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has a history of writing code to screw over customers of non-Microsoft products. It's a position you can take only if you are so big that fucking over a few small customers doesn't hurt you in the long run.

      But some of us small customers still have long memories.

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  7. Patents holding up the sale by mikesd81 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems that patent portfolios is holding up the sale of Novell. http://gigaom.com/2010/09/16/novells-patents-are-complicating-its-sale/

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  8. No Single Person Has Done More Damage To Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "with one exception - dump Miguel"

    Not Bill Gates.
    Not Steve Ballmer.
    Not Steve Jobs.

    There hasn't been a single person who has done more damage to Linux than that miserable piece of shit Miguel.

    1. Re:No Single Person Has Done More Damage To Linux by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Funny

      So first the one-liner slamming Mono gets a +5 Insightful, and now this AC gets a 'funny' for placing the word "shit" and "Miguel" next to one another. Who said hate doesn't pay.

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    2. Re:No Single Person Has Done More Damage To Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Erm, like a lot of folks, I disagree with Miguel's position on the desirability of promoting MS standards; but you need to get a grip. The guy has done FAR more for the F/OSS world than most. I think his business acumen is suspect, but his coding ability and commitment to F/OSS are unassailable, as far as I can see. Use Linux? Try turning off every bit of software Miguel has touched, and see what you're left with.

    3. Re:No Single Person Has Done More Damage To Linux by Lennie · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      And you are surprised ? We all know crime does pay, no matter what people say.

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    4. Re:No Single Person Has Done More Damage To Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I guess AC should dump that stupid shit "irony" as well.

  9. I would love to see what vmware can do with suse by zaphod777 · · Score: 0

    Vmware is by far the best in class virtualization product and on top of that they have made it very easy to use. I think they could really do great things with suse in addition to Zimbra and their document collaboration suit they can be a big MS competitor.

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  10. If they bought SUSE... by brennanw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... does that mean we'd eventually see versions of vCenter Server and vCenter Client that run on something other than Windows? That would be nice.

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    1. Re:If they bought SUSE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I get an AMEN?!

    2. Re:If they bought SUSE... by Dani+Filth · · Score: 1

      AMEN brother!

    3. Re:If they bought SUSE... by MrNemesis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As much as I'd love that... I doubt it. vCentre is a pretty complex bunch of code, at least a large chunk of it in .net. It's also the flakiest part of the VMware infrastructure IME; the ESX hypervisor hasn't crashed on us since the earliest days of 2.0.

      Not saying that VMware couldn't re-implement VC as a linux client but.. biggest issue with a port would be the plugins however; the integrated live P2V management (VMware Converter) runs on windows because it's easy to provide Linux services from a windows host - all you need is an SSH binary. Running the myriad of services windows requires from a linux host would mean alot of reinventing the wheel; not to mention all the other goodies like guided consolidation and recovery manager that would be useless to the majority of shops that run mostly windows (and I've yet to see any business of more than a few dozen people that doesn't have at least one MS server somewhere).

      Then there's all the third-party code that integrates into VC - backup clients, hardware monitoring... and VMware are even getting rid of ESX (which gives you a linux console to play with) and shifting to ESXi (much smaller footprint hypervisor with no "proper" console [although you can finagle SSH access if you wish]) and relying on a virtual centre intregrated CLI, in the form of powershell.

      ESX might have a bunch of linux in its guts, but VMware's direction over the last few versions has been moving away from linux based frontends to a much more windows-centric approach. I say this as a person who was allowed several years back to become the company expert on VMware cos I was the de facto "Linux guy" in a windows shop (well, not strictly true - we're windows and AIX). Of all the hundred or so people I met doing the various certifications, only three were confident on a linux CLI (they were also the only other people working for a FTSE100), and five more knew how to use `ls`, `service XXXXX restart`... the rest shit bricks whenever they had to use it. Sad but true.

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    4. Re:If they bought SUSE... by swb · · Score: 1

      I can't help but agree with all of this.

      I also think that outside of some edge cases, VMware's biggest target market is Windows consolidation as IMHO, Windows server proliferation is a "feature" of Windows apps/services not playing well in the same machine.

      If MS could ever come up with some kind of per-application on-demand virtualization that didn't require copying the entire OS environment into RAM but provided total insulation from the OS, it'd eliminate a big chunk of the need for virtualization.

      Obviously not all, as CPU/resource utilization is an issue, too with most servers.

    5. Re:If they bought SUSE... by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Agree on the server proliferation thing 100% - I've come across dozens of companies that have been forced to run hundreds of massively overspecced servers because support agreements mandate that "no other apps can be installed on the box"; if you want to use tin that's supported you're stuck with buying a new box every 3-5yrs that ends up being three times as fast as it's predecessor (but the shoddily written app is still just as slow). VMware provided an easy answer to that and IMHO it's why they got so big so quickly.

      I've often wondered why VMware, citrix or MS didn't introduce a halfway house "desktop" virtualisation like you suggest - spinning off a chroot-a-like into a cut-down hypervisor (either on the server or the client) should be a piece of piss; I'm not really a fan of the thin-client approach of VDI. I'd love a remote VM filesystem that'd sync back your local hypervisor with a centralised server, which'd allow you centralised management and the ability to take the app offline. It prolly has limited applications though.

      Maybe in a few years...

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    6. Re:If they bought SUSE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard through the local vmware rep that there's a beta version of vCenter Server that runs on linux.

    7. Re:If they bought SUSE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I've often wondered why VMware, citrix or MS didn't introduce a halfway house "desktop" virtualisation like you suggest

      VMware did, it's called VMware ThinApp

  11. A defensive maneuver for VMWare by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft is giving away their shiny new hypervisor with their operating systems. What would be more fair than for VMWare to give away operating systems with their hypervisor?

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  12. An even better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get rid of Novell .
    get rid of any M$ Corp influence
    tell Vmware to go play in the fast lane in the fog
    and get SuSE back to rights once again

    note i said SuSE not OpenSuse or OpenSUSE

  13. Novell can't afford it by 42sd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No matter how much VMWare is willing to pay, Novell can't afford to lose that part of the company. They are already hardly relevant. They need SuSe and the clout they have to make sure that they have a suitable place to run all of their other software. I'd guess they'd have to get the whole company instead of just the SuSe division.

    1. Re:Novell can't afford it by tsstahl · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you missed the news about Novell looking to break itself up into pieces.

    2. Re:Novell can't afford it by ocularsinister · · Score: 1

      I may be misreading the events here but as I understand it when this goes through there will be no more Novell. Its just a question of who buys which bits.

    3. Re:Novell can't afford it by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

      it's not like they're buying the code, the only real losses are the Suse name and possibly the coders. plus i think they're pretty keen on the money, from their jumping into bed with MS i'd say they like money, not that there's anything wrong with that, i feel like they just want to keep there company ticking, which at the root of it keeps a shitload of open source devs in a job.

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    4. Re:Novell can't afford it by Target+Practice · · Score: 1

      They need SuSe and the clout they have to make sure that they have a suitable place to run all of their other software.

      Seriously, VMWare is only interested in SuSE. They want a complete stack to compete with Microsoft's and Red Hat's VM product lines. I believe they recently picked up another company to fill another role in that stack, but I'm far too lazy to look it up right now. They do offer a version of Linux called Just Enough OS, but I've heard nothing spectacular about it.

      Novell's other software is being slavered over by a rumoured 20 companies or so. Granted, one of them wants it for legacy compatibility, but I don't think we can call their other products dead yet. And, oh, I WISH we could... :)

      This is following Novell's earlier buyout offer that they rejected on the condition that they would procure other suitors to appease the shareholders. I thought they were off their rocker when they rejected that offer, so I'm glad they've made good on their promise.

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    5. Re:Novell can't afford it by MrWin2kMan · · Score: 1

      I agree. Novell is essentially PlateSpin and Suse with a smattering of ZenWorks. There are some really neat things happening on the Suse side with Suse Studio, and Studio will be adding some Windows support in the future. It's the future of the company. Without Suse, Novell is...a quaint, obscure little company.

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    6. Re:Novell can't afford it by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Thats the great thing about selling 'SuSE' to someone else ... they still keep it for themselves as well. They can just restaff ( or keep staff depending on the deal ) and do the same thing.

      As a general rule, 'buying a linux company' is an absolutely retarded idea.

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    7. Re:Novell can't afford it by 42sd · · Score: 1

      Guess so.. doubt I'll be doing many more identity manager products... wonder what happens to that and eDirectory.

    8. Re:Novell can't afford it by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      At this point, Novell is up a creek with no paddle and a big leak in the boat (~800M revenue, about -200M income (!!!)). Yes, their SuSE division is essential if they want to be profitable, but that's like trying to bail out said boat even though it's still sinking.

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    9. Re:Novell can't afford it by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

      In 15 years of working around the IT industry, I have heard of only one management decision which was looked on in a positive light and that was the purchase of Suse. At the time this happened most everybody said they would screw this up. Well here they are.
      I'm leaning toward NOVL being managed worse than JAVA, mainly because they had a chance to be relevant more than once. JAVA was relevant and they just couldn't change with the times or pick up on the right direction.

    10. Re:Novell can't afford it by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Except for the name, the partly-finished projects that aren't yet distributed, the reputation, the control of the project, etc... If Novell were to keep a group doing "the same thing", they wouldn't be much better off than someone else just forking the project.

      VMWare would be "buying a Linux company", not "buying Linux". Like any corporate acquisition, it makes sense if the assets are worth more to VMWare than the amount they're paying for it.

      Consider what VMWare might be able to do with SuSE. SuSE has a good reputation and a relatively devoted user base. My speculation is that VMWare will add a new awesome feature to their virtualization products, but say that it's only fully supported under SuSE. Their corporate customers, being familiar with SuSE's current reputation, will likely be willing to convert from Red Hat or other distros over to SuSE, just because of the added feature. VMWare has then turned that user base into a new set of paying customers.

      Without the SuSE name, VMWare would have just another magic feature. Without the magic feature, SuSE's just a name. Together, they can make a profitable product.

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  14. Fund their Retirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Novell sold Suse, then that would leave them with only NDS, "Novell Directory Services." I don't see them winning against AD and roll-your-own LDAP. I thought the whole point of the Suse acquisition was to join the area of dominant development in PC OSs (i.e. GNU/Linux), as Netware continued to fade away. Without that, I don't see them as viable going forward. Well, they could close up shop and retire to the beach with a couple of Coronas. But then again, the boys from Provo rather have a Sprite instead.

    1. Re:Fund their Retirement? by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 1

      Huh? eDirectory and Identity Manager are major products in that space. It's the preferred IDM solution for SAP, for example. Zenworks (especially with the endpoint security add-ons) has been doing well, and there are still a lot of GroupWise customers (running it on Linux, even). Novell Access Manager (take a look at what it does) is also a really terrific product in its arena as well.

  15. interesting move by slshwtw · · Score: 2, Informative

    An interesting move since VMware's flagship virtualization product (ESX) is based on Red Hat, yet the current release of that product is the last that will support using the full-blown ESX with the privileged (red-hat-like) guest. They are moving to only support the bare hypervisor product (ESXi).

    1. Re:interesting move by Courageous · · Score: 3, Informative

      ESX is not "based" on Red Hat, even using a loose reading of the word "based".

      When you log onto the console operating system in a ESX environment, you are not, in fact, logging onto ESX at all.

      The console operating system is a privileged VM running on the ESX server that solely exists to let you run command lines and the like, to discover information about the hypervisor's state, tell it what to do, and so forth. That has turned out to be the source of numerous security holes, hence the moving away from it.

      C//

    2. Re:interesting move by slshwtw · · Score: 1

      Right, obviously I knew that ESX itself wasn't red-hat as my own post referenced the concept of the privileged guest. I misspoke, but the point stands.

      Actually as I type this I am in the middle of deploying a new vCenter server since with 4.1 it now requires a 64-bit OS.

    3. Re:interesting move by Courageous · · Score: 1

      Granted it's an easy verbal mistake to make. Have fun. I have been disgusted with VMWare's recent spate of acquisitions. vCloud underwhelms. They should through about $1B at core product development, aimed squarely at integrating features directly into vCenter. It's almost as if they don't know why their customers like their product.

      C//

  16. What about UNIX copyrights and patents? by azrael29a · · Score: 1

    What about UNIX copyrights and patents? Will they go to VMware, or to the other buyer which will buy the rest of the old Novell?

  17. Not good for Xen. by dr.newton · · Score: 1

    If VMware buys SuSE that will be a blow to Xen.

    Red Hat has already switched to KVM, and Ubuntu doesn't provide a Xen Dom0 kernel. If SuSE goes to a virtualization vendor that competes with products built on Xen, what options will be left for enterprise distros that provide Xen Dom0 support? Oracle Unbreakable Linux?

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    1. Re:Not good for Xen. by OdinOdin_ · · Score: 1

      The jury is still out on if Red Hat is switching to KVM. Lets get the thing released with RHEL 6 first, then lets get Enterprise support, then lets see if it cuts the mustard. Of course I welcome the R&D effort into the project but it is still unclear by collective agreement that it is a _replacement_ for Xen. This will still take a few years to achieve after the release of RHEL with Enterprise KVM support as users become confident enough to replace Xen installations with it to gain the advantages they are looking for.

      Xen is also on its own course to improve public relations after a period of stagnation (and possibly alienation) by not innovating enough.

    2. Re:Not good for Xen. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Don't be surprised if EMC buys Citrix next.

      People do build large Xen clouds when they could afford VMWare if they wanted it. EMC bought VMWare because it recognizes the power of virtualization. Now they're back for more. SuSE and Fedora are the only distros that are actually keeping up with Xen, and Fedora has been doing well only by two (awesome) community members who garner little inner-circle support.

      Redhat has been chasing after KVM trying to be like VMWare, when it's VMWare that's been trying to be like Xen.

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    3. Re:Not good for Xen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not quite sure Citrix is open to be bought, but that sure would be interesting.. although seeing the core of the leading virtualization technologies stuck under a single proprietor would likely be a disaster.

  18. You forgot something by brennz · · Score: 2, Informative

    VMware has a Linux vcenter in beta..... http://communities.vmware.com/community/beta/vcserver_linux

    1. Re:You forgot something by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Yowza, nice comeback - hadn't heard hide nor hare of this one; although at ~18 months without an update I wonder how much momentum there is behind it.

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  19. What about Zimbra integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VMware owns Zimbra now also. A Zimbra VM or some other SuSE distribution might provide some interesting options for trials/migrations of email.

  20. Please put down the pipe by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    At almost every level of the "Windows" UI/GUI almost anything can be exposed: to modify, append-to or straight-up block it completely.

    Even a fairly simple language like AutoHotKey: (Script interpreted by an on-the-fly C++ compiler) can do amazing things with DLLCALL and RegisterCallBack.

    Or even some of the work by BlackWingCat : BlackWingCat's KDW API Wrapper & Tools or OldCigarettes : OldCigarettes Windows 2000 XP API Wrapper Pack (OCW), which do API wrapping on Binaries like ntdll.dll, user32.dll, kernel32.dll and more -- which add Function calls into Win2K that only Exist in XP. Which enable software and games on Win2K that claim they need XP+.

  21. Why buy? by eap · · Score: 1

    Don't they know they can just download it for free?

    1. Re:Why buy? by arisvega · · Score: 1

      The WSJ report is behind a paywall, but it's accessible in full through a Google search.

      Ah! Like softare. Got it.

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  22. They can always buy SCO - for peanuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $ 2 or 3 mil ought to be enought.

  23. SuSe supported by Hyper-V by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure HOW important it is...but SUSE is the only Linux Guest supported by Microsoft's Hyper-V.

    I can see VMWare either using this to boost linux/vmware solutions to MS people (see your own gods even agree suse is "the best")
    OR
    To de-certify it, and leave MS with no certified Linux distributions (thus slowing/stopping those with Linux needs from migrating to Hyper-V).

    Personally I've migrated a few servers in our lab to hyper-v from vmware for testing/evaluation. And in the mid-sized area (SAN, but still cash poor for good solutions!) it supports live migration, and the like for free which is a big plus. But really low end (no SAN) VMWare still wins, and high end (both sides, all the pay-for tools) VMWare wins, but there is a middle ground I can see Hyper-V is gaining some ground in.

  24. Novell is not just SUSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There's been a lot of talk about Novell since initial offer to buy it and it seems people haven't checked Novell's site at least 10 years. There's a long list of products on their site http://www.novell.com/products/ beyond Netware, Groupwise and SUSE.

    So beside Netware which has been long dead and used mostly by companies too lazy to migrate to Linux there are great products based off eDirectory and running on SUSE. Take there new Zenworks endpoint management, Identity manager, Platespin just start off. Anyone had a look at application virtualization? They bought a good number of good product companies and are integrating them with their other products. Groupwise is an excellent mail system, stable and flexible, and would be so much better if they'd finally finish the design of the client which is still stuck with one leg in nineties, feels like unfinished work. All of services that once were on Netware have been moved to linux years ago and work fine. SUSE is though a platform of choice for most of their products and I can't see how could they sell just SUSE, no way.

    They do however need to fire their marketing department.