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US ISP Adopts Three-Strikes Policy

Andorin writes "Suddenlink, a United States ISP that serves nineteen states, has implemented a three-strikes policy. Subscribers who receive three DMCA takedown notices are disconnected without compensation for a period of six months. According to TorrentFreak, the takedown notices do not have to be substantiated in court, which effectively means that subscribers can be disconnected based on mere accusations. In justifying the policy, Suddenlink turns to an obscure provision of their Terms of Service, but also claims that they are required by the DMCA to disconnect repeat offenders."

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  1. Beat them to the punch by Briden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are a customer of theirs, immediately cancel your service and tell them why you are doing it. that ought to send the right message.

    1. Re:Beat them to the punch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its great news. If I get my neighbour's internet connections taken out my download speeds should shoot right up.

    2. Re:Beat them to the punch by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I doubt that'll get enough response to hurt them - the subscription fees of a few tech savvy customers don't amount to that much. Ideally a few rich and powerful businesspeople would lose their connections because of this; once the lawsuits start flying that should take care of things.

    3. Re:Beat them to the punch by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its great news. If I get my neighbour's internet connections taken out my download speeds should shoot right up.

      Nevermind your neighbor... suppose I give you this box... if you push the button your internet speeds will shoot right up. But be forewarned... someone you don't know will be cut off the internet forever. Do you push the button? ;)

    4. Re:Beat them to the punch by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      while (1) { press_button(); }

      why, yes. yes, I would.

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    5. Re:Beat them to the punch by darpified · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Suddenlink is my provider. They are my *only* choice for reasonably fast internet service. The DSL service here is capped at 1 Mbps and spotty at that. Satellite service is out of my price range, and there is no wireless provider. I'm not happy with them over this, and will send them a message, but cancel my subscription and not have Internet isn't an option. It's an effective monopoly, and they know it.

    6. Re:Beat them to the punch by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other hand, there are all the (very valid) reasons that Slashdot so often points out for DMCA takedowns being a bad thing: open WiFi, kids using the computer, automated takedown bots, faulty IP address gathering, and probably many others that I've forgotten to mention here.

      Just because Dr. Rockerfeller J. Richington doesn't need to turn to P2P for a copy of The Hurt Locker, it doesn't mean he's immune to DMCA letters.

    7. Re:Beat them to the punch by freeballer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      now that I have some options (dsl, cable) I'd immediately cancel if my isp followed suit.
      Its not that I'm for or against dmca, frankly to me its a pandora box they can never close imo.
      If people were proven without a doubt violated copyright then I could see disconnections. But without a
      trial or whatever there is nothing to the accusations. No real proof, or even a proponderance of evidence.

    8. Re:Beat them to the punch by toppavak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even better, file 3 DMCA notices against their own website =)

    9. Re:Beat them to the punch by pregister · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I could actually _pick_ the people who are disconnected, the ISP could charge me 10 times as much and I'd consider it a deal.

    10. Re:Beat them to the punch by hldn · · Score: 4, Funny

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiFKm6l5-vE

      this spoof is better than the actual movie.

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    11. Re:Beat them to the punch by Mitchell314 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who would you p-

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    12. Re:Beat them to the punch by DeadPixels · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many people are in your exact situation, and it's a tough one to be in. You'd like to tell them that you'll be taking your business elsewhere, but when they're the only ones who offer that service, you have no choice but to stick with them or go without. Perhaps you could send them a strongly-worded letter expressing the flaws in this policy and voicing your displeasure? If enough people make enough of a fuss, something might get done - particularly if the news outlets get wind of a 'big company exploiting the poor folks without any other options'.

    13. Re:Beat them to the punch by BierGuzzl · · Score: 2, Funny
    14. Re:Beat them to the punch by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a subscriber, and this is easier said than done. My only other choice in this locality is AT&T, who are infamous for bending over and spreading for Bush's illegal wiretapping.

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    15. Re:Beat them to the punch by hoeferbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sounds like Suddenlink has somewhat of a monopoly in your area. If that is the case, they are probably regulated by your local government. Although I am not optimistic this will have much effect, you should complain to the franchise authority / regulatory commission that oversees Suddenlink.

      If enough people did, Suddenlink would have no choice but to deep-six this program.

    16. Re:Beat them to the punch by clarkn0va · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Start your own WISP then. It's easier than you might think. I got sick of the lack of options here (6/1, reasonably reliable, in fact), and now I provide internet to my neighbours, 100% legally. It cost me a couple thousand to get started and some sweat ethic, but I now enjoy a 30/4 connection and my neighbours are good enough to pay the bill for me.

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    17. Re:Beat them to the punch by boxfetish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How does the ISP win by having no customers?

    18. Re:Beat them to the punch by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have not, consider heading over to the FCC's Broadband website, and report a broadband dead zone, run their speed tests, etc. Get all your friends to do the same, even if they have to sign on with a dial-up internet connection to do it.

      Who knows if it will make any difference, but they are building a database of underserved areas.... and there may be government action, incentives, etc, to improve matters now or in the future. I assume the more reports they get for an area from different people, the more likely someone is to take notice and move that area "higher up on the list" of areas that are suffering from poor choice, incumbent monopolization, etc.

    19. Re:Beat them to the punch by MoonBuggy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You make an intriguing suggestion - I (and presumably many other /.ers) would very much appreciate a bit more info; how did you get the main connection, how's it shared out, did you come up against any particularly significant red tape, what's the rough cost breakdown (hardware/installation/monthly connection), and so on?

    20. Re:Beat them to the punch by Danieljury3 · · Score: 2, Funny
    21. Re:Beat them to the punch by zill · · Score: 3, Interesting
      From the summary:

      Subscribers who receive three DMCA takedown notices are disconnected without compensation for a period of six months.

      So the ISP wins by collecting money without having to provide any service to their "customers".

      In fact, after banning everyone, the ISP can just sell all its assets to a new company for $1, and transferring all the employees to the new company. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    22. Re:Beat them to the punch by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you are a customer of theirs, immediately cancel your service and tell them why you are doing it. that ought to send the right message.

      Even more interesting would be to examine their IP space, and send DMCA notices to all of them. This could be something that 4chan can do. Eventually, you'll have 3 notices sent to each and every IP address which should mean they've disconnected everyone. After all, if they do it blatantly, they might just not bother doing the necessary legwork to verify every notice.

      Let's just see what happens when their entire customer base gets disconnected and start filing petitions with their state attorney-general over loss of service they've paid for.

      Keep doing this and they'll find out what life's like to be without revenue for 6 months - disconnected users won't continue paying for service they don't get, after all.

    23. Re:Beat them to the punch by Oceanplexian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Step 1 - Order a DS3 in a metro area (roughly $2k-3k)

      Step 2 - Go buy some cheap equipment and antennas ($100-1000 for a AP, ~$150-200 for each CPE)

      Step 3 (optional) - Get an FCC license for some licensed spectrum if you're not using 900mhz/2.4/5Ghz. It's actually pretty inexpensive, maybe a a few hundred
      dollars at most and that's it.

      Step 4 - Rent tower space, depending on the area it could run $500-$10000. I'll guesstimate for a few antennas, probably $2000

      This is all assuming you're a typical /. reader and build your own routers, run open-source software and can build enclosures and don't have
      a fear of heights.

    24. Re:Beat them to the punch by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... and can safely climb a 200' tower without significant risk of killing yourself...

      Yea. Not for everyone, even those that don't mind heights. Climbing a tower is NOT the same as climbing a wall, or looking over the edge of a skyscraper roof...

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    25. Re:Beat them to the punch by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd be hard pressed to find a court that would require you to keep paying for a service that the company specifically decided not to provide.

    26. Re:Beat them to the punch by smallfries · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No worries, if you tell us your IP address then we can cancel it for you. In fact as there is no penalty for submitting incorrect DMCA takedown requests the best thing to do would be to start reporting *every* suddenlink subscriber. I bet they would change their policy quickly enough.

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    27. Re:Beat them to the punch by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So the ISP wins by collecting money without having to provide any service to their "customers".

      Is this legal, even in the US? I realize that he who has the gold makes the rules, and it's a corporation versus a mere mortal, but even so this seems to be going a bit far.

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  2. Put them out of business! by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, everybody start submitting DMCA reports. They'll be out of subscribers in no time flat.

    1. Re:Put them out of business! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Isn't that technically committing perjury? Not that I've ever heard about anyone facing consequences for such things...

    2. Re:Put them out of business! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sure that if someone went to 4chan, the /b/tards would happily take up the cause after their fine effort against Aiplex.

    3. Re:Put them out of business! by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Technically yes, but a "good faith" belief that someone is doing something illegal is pretty fucking vague. If previous court ruling are any indication, hearing a rumor about "someone" pirating "something" is probably all you need to justify yourself.

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    4. Re:Put them out of business! by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't that technically committing perjury?

      Of course it is. That's why everyone with half a brain who's heard of these three-strikes rules in the US and abroad wants to rip people like this a new one--because they enable perjurers to be successful at abusing the law without court review.

      Of course, if you were to send three bogus DMCA takedown notices to the ISP CEO's home--or to their home office--they would notice the fact that it's a crime and cry foul (or simply break policy and ignore them), but they are more than willing to enable criminals as long as they don't see the blowback themselves.

    5. Re:Put them out of business! by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      A DMCA notification requires:

      `(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      Notice the placement of the "and". To make the precedence explicit:

      `(vi) A statement that (the information in the notification is accurate) AND (under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.)

      You only perjure yourself if you misrepresent yourself as representing a rights holder. Any other specific claims in the notice do not matter. If you represent a rights holder you can accuse whoever you want without fear of being prosecuted for perjury.

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    6. Re:Put them out of business! by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't that technically committing perjury? Not that I've ever heard about anyone facing consequences for such things...

      It is, but that doesn't seem to be stopping the bogus DMCA complaints. If large corporations are getting away with it, why shouldn't everyone else?

    7. Re:Put them out of business! by gagol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't that technically committing perjury? Not that I've ever heard about anyone facing consequences for such things...

      It is, but that doesn't seem to be stopping the bogus DMCA complaints. If large corporations are getting away with it, why shouldn't everyone else?

      Because you do not send enough money to your elected leaders.

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    8. Re:Put them out of business! by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Technically yes, but a "good faith" belief that someone is doing something illegal is pretty fucking vague. If previous court ruling are any indication, hearing a rumor about "someone" pirating "something" is probably all you need to justify yourself.

      I think you may be understating a characteristic of the United States legal system. When an oligarch harms a peasant, the peasant is found guilty. When a peasant harms another peasant, or when an oligarch harms another oligarch, the written code of law is used. In the case of one peasant accusing another peasant under the DMCA, the accusing peasant is subject to legal accountability.

    9. Re:Put them out of business! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Only if you're in the USA. Fun fact: If you submit a DMCA takedown notice from outside the USA, then the court that would find you guilty of perjury has no way of enforcing that judgement.

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  3. Their contract terms are what they are... by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but the reference to the DMCA is horseshit.

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    1. Re:Their contract terms are what they are... by zill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... DMCA is horseshit.

      I wholeheartedly concur.

    2. Re:Their contract terms are what they are... by Sancho · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They are probably referring to this, in section 512:

      `(i) CONDITIONS FOR ELIGIBILITY-
      `(1) ACCOMMODATION OF TECHNOLOGY- The limitations on liability established by this section shall apply to a service provider only if the service provider--
      `(A) has adopted and reasonably implemented, and informs subscribers and account holders of the service provider's system or network of, a policy that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers and account holders of the service provider's system or network who are repeat infringers; and
      `(B) accommodates and does not interfere with standard technical measures.

  4. School Rules. by centuren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get a movement within their customer base and employ the classic school scenario where a rule doesn't work if it has to be applied to everyone. Start filing tens of thousands of DMCA take down notices for suspected violations. If their policy is as described, cutting service to that many people will put a direct stop to it.

  5. This is actually not that bad by the+linux+geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time Warner's Roadrunner service has had a similar policy for a while, and it's really not that bad of a deal. Basically, if the RIAA/MPAA sees your IP address, instead of trying to extort you for money, they just tell TWC, who redirects you to an angry-sounding webpage next time you try to use the Internet. You click "Accept" or whatever, and then the problem goes away. No subpoenas, no lawsuits. You can do this twice. It's not until the third time that something actually bad happens, and if you're incompetent enough to get caught three times, you shouldn't be on the Internet.

    1. Re:This is actually not that bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > if you're incompetent enough to get caught three times, you shouldn't be on the Internet
      Three accusations. Not three convictions.

    2. Re:This is actually not that bad by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're assuming the complaints are legitimate. Your assumption is wrong.

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    3. Re:This is actually not that bad by Lehk228 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you subpoena your ISP for a copy of the complaint and sue the filer for libel, tortious interference, harassment, and lobby your state's AG to investigate them criminally for filing a false instrument.

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    4. Re:This is actually not that bad by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah yes. You plan on filing those lawsuits yourself? Be forewarned - he who represents himself has a fool for a client. Not to mention that they can be time intensive. You plan on hiring someone? That'll cost you a pretty penny. And lobbying your state AG? He's too busy running his campaign for governor. Now if you can contribute a few 100k to his campaign, maybe something can be arranged...

      tl;dr: this works only if you're rich and connected. Otherwise, you're part of the unwashed masses, unfit to be paid attention.

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    5. Re:This is actually not that bad by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Innocent until proven guilty" tends to be regarded as a sensible method in most societies. I know it's not a court of law, but establishing someone's guilt (to some level higher than a simple accusation that anyone can make with almost no evidence) before they suffer adverse consequences is still a good idea.

    6. Re:This is actually not that bad by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's really not that bad of a deal. Basically, if the RIAA/MPAA sees your IP address, instead of trying to extort you for money, they just tell TWC, who redirects you to an angry-sounding webpage next time you try to use the Internet. You click "Accept" or whatever, and then the problem goes away. No subpoenas, no lawsuits. You can do this twice. It's not until the third time that something actually bad happens, and if you're incompetent enough to get caught three times, you shouldn't be on the Internet.

      You sir are a complete idiot.

      I've had noticed issued against IP addresses on my network that *have never been active*, not ever.

      It is literally not physically possible for said IP address to have *ever* issued a packet. Their reporting mechanisms are *broken*, it is not just possible, but *likely* that you will be "issued with a notice" even though you have never violated copyright ever.

      Some people will have their only possible internet connection dropped with extreme prejudice for at least six months even though they have not done anything wrong.

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    7. Re:This is actually not that bad by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Informative

      You assume the complaints are illegimate. But where is the proof your assumption is right?

      No, the problem is that you ASSUME that *each and every single complaint* is *always* legitimate.

      They've already had cases thrown out of court because they got their basic facts wrong. So there's *at least* one case of proven failure to be 100% correct - therefore the ASSUMPTION that they're always correct is INVALID.

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    8. Re:This is actually not that bad by compgenius3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      What if I don't use the ISPs awful DNS servers? How will I be redirected to the notification page? I couldn't possibly have had a chance to change my behavior if I was never informed of my wrongdoing in the first place.

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    9. Re:This is actually not that bad by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to side with your "idiot" comment or anything, but this happened to me too. It wasn't a spare IP, but similar enough to say the same. It was service with Verizon, I came home one night to find the internet not working and a message on my answering machine saying Verizon needed me to call them about my internet service. I started calling and they said I had three take down complaints filed against me for copyright violations. After claiming it didn't happen, they said they emailed the detailed and I had to check a site out to view the complaints. I sometimes take client PCs home to work on and thought maybe it was one of those infested things that did it.

      Once the service was activated again, I went to check the complaints and it turns out that 3 complaints were files against an IP address that wasn't even close to mine, all within 3-5 seconds of each other over a star trek movie. Once I pointed that out, they claimed to have removed the reference to the situation from my service record completely.

      However, it's BS like this that will cause people to be unfairly targeted for disconnection.

  6. The real reason... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their network is overloaded and it easier to trim the fat (heavy downloaders=pirates after all) then to build out their network.

  7. DMCA does NOT require disconnection by seeker_1us · · Score: 4, Informative
    And getting a takedown notice (or multiple takedown notices) has NO indication of guilt. There are plenty of cases where MAFIIA robots have sent automated takedown notices without anyone actually taking the time to find out that they didn't own the material in question.

    People should drop this company, ASAP.

    1. Re:DMCA does NOT require disconnection by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How would you comply with this without disconnecting repeat infringers, counselor?

      You wait until the person is convicted in court of infringing at least twice, of course. The RIAA's word should not be sufficient evidence for considering a customer a "repeat infringer".

  8. Submit DMCA reports on management of suddenlink by viking80 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Submit DMCA reports on the board and management of suddenlink. They all most likely have full speed connections. Maybe you think they are misusing your IP.

    The policy allows no review of the DMCA, so it would be interesting to see how that develops.

    Company name:
    Cequel Communications Holdings I, LLC
    and from their web page:
    Mr. Jerald L. Kent Chairman
    Mary Meduski EVP - Chief Financial Officer Age: 51 314-315-9603
    Mr. Thomas P. McMillin Chief Operating Officer and Executive Vice President Age: 48
    Ralph Kelly SVP - Treasurer 314-315-9403
    Mr. James Fox Chief Accounting Officer and Senior Vice President Age: 40
    Mike Pflantz VP - Corporate Finance 314-315-9341
    Mr. Terry M. Cordova Chief Technology Officer and Senior Vice President Age: 49

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    1. Re:Submit DMCA reports on management of suddenlink by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's the problem right there - they're all old people. If only old people knew how awesome pirating was, they'd probably jump on board instead of trying to shut it down.

      Well, maybe. But they're the ones with the money to actually pay for that shit, so they might not.

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    2. Re:Submit DMCA reports on management of suddenlink by Nyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's the problem right there - they're all old people. If only old people knew how awesome pirating was, they'd probably jump on board instead of trying to shut it down.

      Well, maybe. But they're the ones with the money to actually pay for that shit, so they might not.

      Old people only care about getting up early, and ruining the fun of anyone younger then them.

      They don't actually care about this stuff, but they do enjoy pissing off the younger generation.

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    3. Re:Submit DMCA reports on management of suddenlink by codegen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not enough imagination. Of course they are not going to cut off themselves. Same with efforts to DMCA random customers. If you really want to cause trouble, you DMCA the mayor, members of the city council (where the board and exec live) and the local boards in charge of allocating licenses for ISPs. And after a while, you DMCA the children of the first round. Get the people who have the power angry at them.

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  9. New Domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    suddenunlink.com is now a registered domain name that points to the original article.

  10. New name? by ErikTheRed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe they should change their name to SuddenDisconnect?

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  11. We don't need no due process... by mschaffer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, it's not like so many ISPs don't have a ton of other obscure terms that allow them to terminate your service on a whim.

  12. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. by westlake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are a customer of theirs, immediately cancel your service and tell them why you are doing it. that ought to send the right message.

    That it does.

    It tells them that they have shed another geek who clogs their pipes and will never upgrade his service.

  13. i'm a Canadian, and I still think this stinks; by Lukano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been reading the TF thread for about an hour now, and I still can't help but think this is a horrible and stinky decision;

    I've written Suddenlink to communicate my dissatisfaction :

    @SuddenLink : "I've contacted Suddenlink in order to communicate my dissatisfaction. I was given the opportunity to move to an area for a job, that was serviced by Suddenlink. Their policy was the deciding factor in me choosing to reject the job opportunity.

    Way to go Suddenlink, not only have you cost yourselves a reliable customer - your policy is affecting immigration to your country."

    Their response was to play dumb ;

    "I apologize, sir! But I'm not quite sure as to what disconnect policy you're referring to. We do not have any cancellation fees or contracts, and you're free to leave our company without any charge or penalty. "

    To which I replied and pointed them in the direction of the TorrentFreak article ;

    "The disconnect policy in which I refer to, can be found here;
    http://torrentfreak.com/us-isp-disconnects-alleged-pirates-for-6-months-100924/"

    And their reply was ;

    @SuddenLink : "Thank you for your email in regards to the DMCA Violation. I appreciate the opportunity to assist you today.

    I apologize that you do not approve of this, sir.'

    wow... I'm glad that they 'apologize' that I don't approve of their policy. Great customer service skills - both on a CSR level and Company-Wide, that this is the best response they can come up with.

  14. You've left out a couple of plausible scenarios by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    4. The methods used by copyright holders to identify infringement are not very reliable, so you get flagged without ever having done anything wrong.
    5. Somebody who's out to get you makes a false complaint and your ISP is too lazy to investigate, so you get flagged without ever having done anything wrong.

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  15. Out of business plan.... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Get customer list.
    2. Send three DMCA takedowns per customer, no merit to claims required.
    3. PROFIT!

  16. Re:PeerBlock by EpsCylonB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the PeerBlock FAQ

    7. Does this mean my P2P downloading is completely safe now?

    Not necessarily. While many people do use IP Filtering software like PeerBlock to help "protect" themselves from being sued for copyright infringement, it is not 100% protection. In fact some people believe that using blocklists like this are completely useless. Others disagree, and believe that even if it's not 100% safe, it still lets them download files more safely. Sometimes they invoke the "Bear Principle": when running away from an angry bear you don't need to be faster than that bear . . . you only need to be faster than the guy next to you. However, as I seem to remember seeing on the old Peer Guardian site at one point:

                    The only way to be "safe" with P2P downloading is to not share copyrighted content!

    PeerBlock is good at what it does - keeping your computer from "talking" with ip addresses on your configured blocklists. Everything else is up to those blocklists themselves. And heck, even if the blocklists provided 100% coverage of "bad" ip-addresses, and if blocklists were 100% proven to work, there could still be some bugs in the PeerBlock software that may prevent it from working correctly on your machine; we offer no guarantees that it works, and disclaim any and all responsibility for the consequences of your own actions online. If you're sharing copyrighted music/video files and get sued by the relevant organizations, it's not our fault. If you're stuck in a country with an oppressive government and are trying to get out your plans regarding the upcoming revolution, and those in power break down your door and haul you away, it's not our fault. If you're sharing some secret footage of Area 51 and the "Men in Black" come knocking on your door, it's not our fault!

    If you choose to download copyrighted material from the Internet, be aware that you may be breaking the law.