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Cooking With Your USB Ports

tekgoblin writes "Wow, I would never have thought to try and cook food with the power that a standard USB port provides, but someone did. A standard port provides 5V of power, give or take a little. I am not even sure what it takes to heat a small hotplate, but I am sure it is more than 5V. It looks like the guy tied together around 30 USB cables powered by his PC to power this small hotplate. But believe it or not, it seems to have cooked the meat perfectly."

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  1. Volt is not a measurement of power by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Watt is. The important is how much current he can get from supplied voltage. In any case why not just use the fucking stove.

    1. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I hear a lightbulb works just fine too.

    2. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "provides around 5V of power"

      I always knew Slashdot is full of uneducated freetards...

    3. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, 500mA per USB2.0 port.
      15A * 5V = 75W

    4. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by arth1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Each powered USB hub supplies a maximum of 0.5 A. Using two or four USB cables against the same hub won't increase that.
      The voltage in USB is a constant +5V.

      So from each powered hub, you can get 0.5 A * 5 V = 2.5 W. Eight of those gives you 20 W, which should be enough to crisp bacon if you make the frying area small enough.

      But hooking up multiple USB cables to each hub serves little purpose (well, you lower the overall resistance a tiny bit, and I guess HiFi freaks would say that it makes the bacon more open and airy).

    5. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Russ1642 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have to climb a flight of stairs to get to the kitchen.

    6. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Watt is. The important is how much current he can get from supplied voltage. In any case why not just use the fucking stove.

      HA! Bitter much?

      I'm sure he was not looking for the simplest way to cook, but just for something new and fun. Looks like he got both. I say mad props to him.

    7. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2, Interesting

      isnt the current limited to 100mA per port if the device doesnt identify itself?

    8. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hjf · · Score: 1

      USB supplies 100mA 5V, and after negotiation from the USB device and host, and if the host has available power, it can send up to 500mA (in some hosts, like Gigabyte 3x boards this is over 1A). This depends on the controller and drivers - some controllers just send 500mA if available, while others are more zealous and will cut the power if it's over 100mA.

      Assuming it's all standard, this guy is getting 30 ports x 100mA => 3A. 3A x 5V = 15W. or if the host is supplying 500mA per port, 75W. I'd like to know then what would be the temperature rise on that hot plate. Any EEs or physicists here that can make this calculation?

    9. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Vectormatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      per USB spec yes, but there are plenty of hubs/ports which supply the full 500mA regardless

      honestly though, this hack is pointless, you might as well get a cheap ass 350w computer PSU, hook up the 12v to a hotplate and hotwire the thing, much easier

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    10. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      You're right. That's much less pointless than just plugging the hotplate into the outlet the PSU is plugged into.

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    11. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by mayberry42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...In any case why not just use the fucking stove.

      Because some people enjoy the challenge of creating something fun, new, original and, yes, pointless.

    12. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by pem · · Score: 1
      It's not the "plug" that says that; it's the device.

      The device is allowed to draw up to 100 mA, then must negotiate for more.

    13. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by mac1235 · · Score: 1

      And leave my computer? No way!

    14. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Animaether · · Score: 1

      Because some people enjoy the challenge of creating something fun, new, original and, yes, pointless.

      ...I'm sure it was fun and pointless, but as fo for the new and original...

      http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/thinkgeek-usb-mug-warmer-hub-59352

      That's like saying 5 blades is "new, original" compared to 4 blades.

    15. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      You could, of course, build such a USB "device" into the cable, if you're just interested in getting higher 5VDC current out. A small MCU in the cable does the negotiation for you, and a few ms later, instant current...

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    16. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by sirlatrom · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because the fucking stove is for fucking?

    17. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Does he have an electrical outlet at his desk? I hear they make cooking devices that use those.

      There's nothing wrong with a pointless but look-what-I-did hardware hack. So there's no need to rationalize it.

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    18. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Surt · · Score: 1

      Quantum watts, then?

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    19. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Mirey · · Score: 1

      I really can't remember. I tried looking for watt it is, I just couldn't find its name! It really is shocking some of the stuff people have time for in their spare times. Still, some people find less resistance to learning if they go for a hands on approach. Well, theres enough puns faraday.

    20. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 1

      With the recent interest in using USB as a universal charger port, there is also a added spec for 2.0 and later that allows upto 1.5A if there is little to no traffic on the port in question.

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    21. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by arielCo · · Score: 1

      In any case why not just use the fucking stove.

      Better yet, use the regular one.

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    22. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by marcansoft · · Score: 2, Informative

      None of those "plugs" actually say that, and none of them actually meet the USB spec. They just happen to work... most of the time.

    23. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Err, no. If the hub is powered, it should be capable of delivering .5A to each port.

      If not, then the dual plug cables we see for some external drives would be useless.

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    24. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by IICV · · Score: 1

      But this isn't pointless-cool, this is pointless-stupid. It would be cool if, say, he'd run power from, say, the PSU's 12v rail - you could actually hook that up, and maybe do a neat little case mod to expose the plug to the outside world. 30 USB ports, though? Where are you going to get 30 USB ports from? And plugging them all in has got to be a pain in the ass.

    25. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Not much to work with there--even the old Easy Bake Ovens used a 100 W bulb, although it probably wasn't that efficient.

    26. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it uses the recent battery charging spec, each port can allow 1.5A if there is little to no data traffic (and 1.8A if the data connectors at the female port is shorted with up to 200 ohm resistance).

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    27. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      "In any case why not just use the fucking stove."

      The fucking stove is for fucking, not cooking. Eww.

    28. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      In any case why not just use the fucking stove.

      You must be new here.

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    29. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      whats the challenge of plugging a heater element into a power supply?

      also its not new (this article originally aired in 2006), its not original (you can get cup heaters and even a toaster commercially well before this, heck there is even a sandwich press), and fun in my book is not a blown mother board and food poisoning at the same time

    30. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

          Why go through the conversion losses at all? Just plug a hotplate into the wall.

        Every conversion has losses. That's why the power supply has heat sinks inside, and usually a fan. It's also why wall warts get warm.

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    31. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Osgeld · · Score: 1
    32. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or even better, use a brazil nut. It was a favourite trick of ours in the Scouts - a single brazil nut contains enough oil (read calories/joules) to fry an egg and a couple of rashers of bacon.

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    33. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      In a well insulated, very small, oven with a very,very long cooking time it is possible to cook almost anything.

    34. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      That's not the only thing that causes the Brazil nuts to heat things up...

      Brazil nuts are known to contain over 12,000 pico curies...

      https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

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    35. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Nope. Only 100mA unless you handshake with the computer to request more which he probably didnt do.

    36. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by arth1 · · Score: 1

      In this case, the plug is the device. The sole function of the "device", i.e. a chip embedded in the plug, is to tell the USB controller "Hi, I'm a USB 2.0 device with ID XXXX, and I am a high power device, i.e. need as many units as you can give".

      This lets the powered device use more than 100 mA, up to the max of 500 mA per powered hub if nothing else is on the same powered hub.

      And yes, these USB chargers or desktop toys show up if you do an "lsusb" (or Device Manager in Windows). But all that's special is the plug, which has a chip that identifakes it as a high power device.

    37. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Restil · · Score: 1

      An incandescent bulb will, indeed. The heat from a typical bulb is enough to match the temperature of a stove on a lower setting, so certainly enough to cook on. However, the typical bulb is 60 to 100 watts. The USB port puts out a max of 2.5 watts. That's an order of magnitude less than even a CFL bulb, and those barely even get warm.

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    38. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, strongly protest against burning brazil nuts. So what if they are mentally challenged (as I think is the correct term) and come from an underdeveloped country. They are people too, and therefore burning them to fry eggs and bacon is just cruel.

    39. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Wait, a lightbulb emits enough heat to bake on? You could package that and sell it to kids as a child's oven.

      All you require now is a name... simple-bake? Easy-bake?

      Yeah, let's call it the Easy-bake oven. Let me just run a quick GS to see if anyone has thought of this before... ...

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    40. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Thanks, AC, I was coming in here to say that, but not in so many words.

      /EE

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    41. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Assuming standard USB ports: 5V * (500mA * 30 cables) = 5V * 15000mA = 5V * 15A = 75W. 75W could very easily heat up nichrome or similar materials enough to cook meat (ever used a hot wire cutter? the ones for Styrofoam run on single 1.5V cells! nichrome!).

    42. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by GF678 · · Score: 1

      Because some people enjoy the challenge of creating something fun, new, original and, yes, pointless.

      I think there are enough opportunities out there for people to enjoy the challenge of creating something fun, new, original and USEFUL. We have tons of pointless crap done every day that gets attention. I like reading about useful developments more, if they came from a challenge.

    43. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Wot?

    44. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by whoop · · Score: 1

      Because the wall is full of plugs for all these hubs, duh!!

    45. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Umm...*sigh*

      As your AC replier said with less gumption: do you even know how an incandescent bulb works? I mean, you do know that when a circuit is inefficient the wasted power is HEAT right? And, you must also know of course, that with an incandescent bulb all of the non-wasted power is...HEAT, right? What I'm trying to say is that an incandescent bulb is nearly 100% efficient (or nearly 100% inefficient, since all power is radiated as waste heat).

    46. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Barny · · Score: 1

      Sir, you scare the living bajeezus out of me for knowing exactly how much juice you can drain from a USB port.

      Never, and I mean NEVER come anywhere near the computer store where I work please!

      Although at least you wouldn't be like the tool who run 3 unpowered USB hubs, plug in 3 ipods, a mobile phone and a USB powered toaster (who the FUCK though those were a good idea) and wondered why their computer doesn't work any more.

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    47. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by serbanp · · Score: 1

      How ironic that the moron who modded your post as "Troll" just proves that you're right...

    48. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      When an egg is fried at 100,000 feet under a weather balloon. Brought back to Earth piping HOT in a three stage highly telemetrised model rocket going the wrong way, eaten in an egg sandwich, and then posted on YouTube accompanied by My Favourite Things from the Sound of Music then I will be interested.

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    49. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      My Holly Happy Oven can do it too

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    50. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by DearOldDad · · Score: 1

      Yep. But there will be no more 100w bulbs in a couple year. They've been outlawed.

    51. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by PacoSuarez · · Score: 1

      That would be for a very large Brazil nut... The number is 12,000 picocuries per kg.

    52. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      Thanks....forgot to follow up with that part.

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    53. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      I'm all in favor of public hangings for adults who can't get their units straight. It would have saved at least one innocent space probe.

      If you're wondering whether I'm sarcastic: I'm not sure...

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    54. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Heh, i read wikipedia...

      So your saying the hubs, ipods, phone and toaster where all plugged into the usb ports of the computer directly? As plugging them into the other stuff into the usb hub should result in nothing more then ignored devices if they asked for to much juice. At least if both the devices and the hubs where well behaved. I can't get 2.5 drive to spin up unless i plug it into the pc directly or a powered hub.

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    55. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by ngg · · Score: 1

      (Physicist here) That's correct, though in practice most powered hubs will let you take 500 mA per port without negotiation, and the newer ones that support the USB 2.0 charging spec will let you take even more (~1.8A if you touch the data lines just right). The voltage is also allowed to sag, IIRC, 5% and still be in spec, so assume 4.75 V. That gives a power of 4.75 V * 1.8 A = 8.5 W per port. Times 30, and you could have around 250 W of cooking power. Some of the cheaper hubs (which don't follow the USB spec rigorously) will even allow you to take all the available current through one port, instead of cutting you off at .5 A per, like the better ones do; so, a cheap 4-port hub might have 2 A available on any one port, but not on all simultaneously.

    56. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by broomer · · Score: 1

      Oh, well, they invented 100W 'Heat bulbs' in Germany last month. They give off 99.9% efficient heat, and additionally also some visible light, and they fall outside the EU provisions for lighting equipment.

    57. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Yep. But there will be no more 100w bulbs in a couple year.

      Bullshit.
      You've been listening to the news, but not thinking about it.
      The manufacture (and import) of incandescent light bulbs has been banned in certain countries from last year, so retailers are selling off their inventory of incandescent light bulbs and switching to supplying non-incandescent light bulbs instead (CFLs, HIDs, W-Hal etc.). The reason for this is that these non-incandescents are much more efficient users of electricity for providing visible light than incandescent light bulbs are. But that doesn't prevent anyone from designing and marketing a 100W non-incandescent light bulb. With current technologies, that would be approximately equivalent to a 1400W incandescent light bulb.
      1400W light bulbs would be in the range used by stage lighting, warehouse and workshop illumination and that sort of thing. And they've always had problems with disposing of the excess heat, so I'd imagine that the non-incandescent equivalents would sell pretty readily. It's not as big a market as domestic lighting, of course, but it's a market.

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    58. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by bandmassa · · Score: 1

      A rasher of bacon contains enough oil to fry an egg and a couple of rashers of bacon, and tastes better than a brazil nut :-)

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    59. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Barny · · Score: 1

      Are you using a single USB cable to run it or one of those split ones that lets it draw from 2 ports?

      Because no matter which, plugging both connections or a single connection into an un-powered hub means your trying to suck 2-3A from a 1.5A source, a source that as you know has over-current protection ;)

      If a single lead connector works on a PC but not the hub, likely the PCs motherboard is a little more tolerant of devices over-drawing (I know Gigabyte are now doing some motherboards that can pump quite a few amp into the USB).

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    60. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Single cable, never even bothered trying with a Y-cable as that will by definition not work if the hub is un-powered.

      And yes, it could be a case of the motherboard being a bit more tolerant. Hard to say without attaching a multimeter and perhaps running a protocol sniffer while attaching the drive to the hub, and then comparing that to attaching it to a motherboard port.

      Still, the drive in question specifically came with a non-Y cable. So it should not require a tolerant port, unless QA at the company sucks...

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    61. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by adolf · · Score: 1

      Wrong assumptions.

      An unpowered hub is not just a ball of wirenuts -- there's logic in there that needs power, too.

      So, imagine it if you will:

      Assume that the drive wants 500mA to spin up, and works fine when plugged into a PC, or into a powered hub.

      Now, put a non-powered hub in series with it. Assume that the powered hub itself wants 100mA just for itself.

      And, voila! 600mA worth of current draw, from a port specified to only supply 500mA.

      Now, since in practice USB is all over the map with regards to available current, it might work, or it might not work.

      You're simply experiencing the "might not work" end of this uncertainty.

      I further question the merit of using an unpowered hub with a hard disk, anyway. The drive itself already wants all of the power that can be sucked out of a USB port, leaving none left over for even a simple mouse or keyboard.

      Quoth Wikipedia:

      USB current is allocated in units of 100 mA up to a maximum total of 500 mA per port. Therefore a compliant bus powered hub can have no more than four downstream ports and cannot offer more than four 100 mA units of current in total to downstream devices (since one unit is needed for the hub itself). If more units of current are required by a device than can be supplied by the port it is plugged into, the operating system usually reports this to the user.

    62. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Points well made, and something i should have thought of myself. Not sure why it slipped my mind.

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    63. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      How many calories does it take to extract and refine the oil into a burnable format?

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    64. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      The brazil nut already is in a burnable format, all you need is a match to ignite it.

      http://www.metacafe.com/watch/372823/burning_brazil_nut/

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    65. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Dthief · · Score: 1

      1.5 * 1.6 = 2.4 dufus

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    66. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Barny · · Score: 1

      Most drives will eat a little more at spin-up, hence why I said it will need a bit more than the usual.

      Also, you might want to check the power consumption of 3.5" drives (real ones, not the "green drives" or such), a lot of them will suck almost 2A of juice off the 12v rail at spin-up, meaning close to 24W of power just to get the ball rolling, drops to about 300mA after a second of course, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they need that much to work at all.

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    67. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Barny · · Score: 1

      500mA was USB1.1

      But of course the rule still applies, a hub is likely pre-programmed to split the juice evenly rather than use something likely more expensive and do it properly (dynamic allocation).

      Bravo to Mr Adolf, good find sir :)

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    68. Re:Volt is not a measurement of power by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. That is very cool. Thank you for sharing that.

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  2. Volts are not a measure of power by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Volts measure electromotive force, not power. Watts measure power. I would think nerds would know this.

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    1. Re:Volts are not a measure of power by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many parsecs it takes to cook a whole turkey with this.

    2. Re:Volts are not a measure of power by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many parsecs it takes to cook a whole turkey with this.

      Only point five past lightspeed.

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    3. Re:Volts are not a measure of power by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      Twelve, at least if you're making the Kessel run...

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    4. Re:Volts are not a measure of power by froggymana · · Score: 1

      But how many lightyears will it take to cook?

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    5. Re:Volts are not a measure of power by Existential+Wombat · · Score: 1

      Right. We used to melt rocks into Aluminium (or Aluminum) using 4.5V. The 400,000A of current certainly helped.

  3. Best Slashdot story evar! by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    Where's my USB toaster?!?!

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    1. Re:Best Slashdot story evar! by epedersen · · Score: 1

      here: http://www.crazypc.com/other/misc/toast.htm Ok, I know it isn't usb.

    2. Re:Best Slashdot story evar! by baegucb · · Score: 1
  4. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the ALL TIME stupidest use for a computer i have ever seen and the most useless Slashdot article as well

    1. Re:WTF? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      This is the ALL TIME stupidest use for a computer i have ever seen and the most useless Slashdot article as well

      Definitely some kind of record.

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    2. Re:WTF? by SpeZek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must be new here.

    3. Re:WTF? by doesnothingwell · · Score: 1

      There's three or four hard drive power connectors just a couple of inches away. Was he blind too? What an accomplishment.

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    4. Re:WTF? by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 1

      Indeed! Especially as this is a dupe. I remember seeing this on Slashdot a couple of years ago. It seemed a stupid idea then, and guess what, it seems to be a stupid idea now.

      I don't feel like this has much hack value really. Stringing $number of USB ports in parallel isn't particularly hard, it's not a particularly elegant solution (which is one of the things I put down as being key to calling something a "hack"), and it doesn't solve a problem in an smart way. I don't know if it was fun to do (because that is subjective) but it doesn't seem particularly interesting to me.

    5. Re:WTF? by Phoobarnvaz · · Score: 1

      This is the ALL TIME stupidest use for a computer i have ever seen and the most useless Slashdot article as well

      With the time it took him to cook the meal...how many porn segments did he watch?

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    6. Re:WTF? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      It all started with a Yes We Can chant.

    7. Re:WTF? by underqualified · · Score: 1

      There's also a cup of coffee inside his CPU.

    8. Re:WTF? by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 1

      Wire it up to a 5V line on the PSU? (or 12V line, if device supports it, but assuming it's USB-like, than 5V is enough).

      It will heat a hell of a lot faster than this, and be easier to make, while being easier to move around (you can even add a custom port just for your PC-kettle).

  5. what next? by slick7 · · Score: 1

    The secret ingredient on Iron Chef...Kobe Beef and 5 USB ports.

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  6. Re:Old old old by trooperer · · Score: 1

    ^ this.

  7. Power is in volts? by bart416 · · Score: 1

    Actually USB ports can provide up to 500mA. So yeah assuming that was the case, 2.5W / usb port. So the guy built himself a 75W heating plate.

    1. Re:Power is in volts? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Actually USB ports can provide up to 500mA. So yeah assuming that was the case, 2.5W / usb port. So the guy built himself a 75W heating plate.

      It would have been easier to tap off one the power supply lines. But then, I suppose, he wouldn't have ended up on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:Power is in volts? by mikehoskins · · Score: 1

      Without even looking into this, I can guarantee that the 75W hotplate is -
          a.) cheaper
          b.) safer to your computer
          c.) more efficient from plug to heat

  8. Re:5 volts of power? by HelioWalton · · Score: 1

    What? 9000! That's Impossible!!!

  9. In the words of Dr Ian Malcom by netsavior · · Score: 4, Funny

    "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

  10. well done OP, a superb fail by wjh31 · · Score: 5, Informative

    not only has the gizmodo article disappeared at time of post, but there is no link to the original blog post (http://xe.bz/aho/24/) which is date-stamped for 2006. This is 4 years old!

  11. Finally! by whizbang77045 · · Score: 1

    They've finally found a practical use for USB! Was this USB 2.0, 3.0, or what? Has anyone investigated to see if Firewire will cook the meat faster?

    1. Re:Finally! by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Firewire would have worked, but there's the risk of charring, and it tends to set off the building's sprinkler system.

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    2. Re:Finally! by mkiwi · · Score: 1

      Firewire would be a better option for this kind of experiment because it has a higher voltage and current per cord.

      Firewire is 12V and generally can supply 1A pretty easily to a connected device. A firewire heater would have been much better from an efficiency standpoint, in terms of number of cords and the amount of power being used per unit area.

  12. why? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    one word to describe this story from me: why?

    1. Re:why? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      two words: why not?

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    2. Re:why? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      why not? Because it is really stupid? Because preparing food this way is stupid? Because it's stupid in a number of ways? Because there is nothing interesting in it?

      I'd be more amused by seeing some sort of a smart stove device, maybe solar powered or some way that actually is useful, this was useless and stupid.

    3. Re:why? by gratuitous_arp · · Score: 1

      Good question. Here is the answer. People in any sort of hacking culture (hardware in this case) do things like this for fun. It's a completely ludicrous idea to take 30 USB ports and try to cook dinner with it -- but it would be amusing to do, and he might learn something in the process. It may not have practical value for other people -- that isn't the point.

      Refer to Stallman's article on hacking:

      "I went to lunch with some GNU fans, and was sitting down to eat some tteokpaekki (*), when a waitress set down six chopsticks right in front of me. It occurred to me that perhaps these were meant for three people, but it was more amusing to imagine that I was supposed to use all six. I did not know any way to do that, so I realized that if I could come up with a way, it would be a hack. I started thinking. After a few seconds I had an idea..."

      You get some idea of the thought process behind this. Although the subject of these two hacks are very different, I'm sure something similar was going through the mind of the USB cook.

      "...It is hard to write a simple definition of something as varied as hacking, but I think what these activities have in common is playfulness, cleverness, and exploration. Thus, hacking means exploring the limits of what is possible, in a spirit of playful cleverness. Activities that display playful cleverness have "hack value"."

      http://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html

      HTH

    4. Re:why? by gratuitous_arp · · Score: 1

      I took your first post to be sincere. You are now simultaneously asking 'why' and complaining that someone has given you an explanation. That is certainly inventive.

    5. Re:why? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it would've been a lot cooler to make a USB controlled hotplate. Then you could combine that with a temperature probe and maybe write some MATLAB scripts to cook a perfect burger every time.

      You're not going to ever get cookingly useful power from a USB port: either there's a plug nearby, in which case you don't need a fantastic array of USB ports, or there's no power nearby, in which case you're talking about using a laptop, or array of laptops, and using up their precious battery capacities for resistive heating.

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    6. Re:why? by gratuitous_arp · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it would've been a lot cooler to make a USB controlled hotplate.

      I agree -- maybe this will inspire someone to do it. That would be neat. (Probably been done somewhere, but it's the sharing of ideas that is important.) Taking that and adding some scripting to cook/flip a burger at the right time would be very neat to see!

      You're not going to ever get cookingly useful power from a USB port

      Yep. But 'utility' wasn't the reason this was done. Ditto for Stallman trying to eat with six chopsticks.

    7. Re:why? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I was very sincere, but have you ever heard of a 'rhetorical question' before? That's right, not every 'why' means the same thing.

      Mine 'why' was in the 'why oh why' category, I don't need an explanation on why people hack, but this was not useful even in a 'curiosity strikes' sort of way.

    8. Re:why? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I dunno, it not only doesn't have any utility, but it was kind of stupid, too. It's the kind of electronics project an art student would get involved in:

      It's got all the signs of the magical thinking that leads to the belief that a chain of megaphones could shatter windows miles away.

      Here on slashdot, we applaud people hacking stuff to scratch an itch, no matter how stupid the itch itself is. I just can't see the itch behind this project.

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    9. Re:why? by gratuitous_arp · · Score: 1

      I dunno

      I agreed with your last post. What is this in reference to?

      it not only doesn't have any utility, but it was kind of stupid, too.

      By calling the project "stupid", what do you mean? If you mean pointless, that is utility, which has been covered. If you mean uninteresting, well, not everything is interesting to everyone. Do you mean something else?

      Can you please give an example of the signs of magical thinking that you see?

      Setting something to a purpose for which it was not intended is a great way to see if you really understand how it operates. This leads to de-mystification; if it doesn't work, you have the opportunity to figure out why and then fix it. The process of getting a project like this to work is the opposite of magical thinking. The person may still have a misunderstanding about some part of the system, but how ever do you expect to cure that without making an attempt to learn about it?

      The person knows the amount of power that he can get from one USB port. He knows how much power he needs. He came up with 30 USB ports to get the right power. So he did it. And it does what he intended it to do. Unlike the megaphone analogy, this actually works. This is not a display of magical thinking.

      Here on slashdot, we applaud people hacking stuff to scratch an itch, no matter how stupid the itch itself is.

      I'm not seeing any such applause or admiration on this thread. Most of the posts seem to either completely miss the point of hacking -- and rather than asking, they immediately begin bashing -- or pretend not to know so they can heap on some derision anyway. Even *I* have zero interest in the USB cook thing -- I simply have no problem in understanding how someone else would find this interesting. It is a different sort of culture. If I didn't know, I hope I would ask; in the same way that I am asking about parts of your post in case I have missed something.

      I just can't see the itch behind this project.

      I don't see where you are going with this. The person who did it obviously had an itch to scratch for this type of project. I explained the general idea in my first post. Obviously, you and others do not see or share the itch. That's fine.

  13. haha, "techgoblin" submitter. by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 1

    Was too busy texting his buddies when his highschool teacher was explaining Ohm's law, etc.

  14. "This device can perform faster ... by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 1

    if you buy a new motherboard. Because you fried it with your cooking stunt. [OK] [Cancel]''

  15. Has anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Has anyone considered that like many utube videos, this is faked? He either has 150Vdc at 500ma max, or 5Vdx at 15 amps max. it seems unlikely that a hotplate would be designed to run from either 5V or 150V.

    Besides, it would make more sense to jus use a standard 120Vac or 240Vac hotplate, as he would have to have standard mains power to run a desktop PC. C'mon don't be so gullable!

    1. Re:Has anyone... by pregister · · Score: 1

      Did you know: "gullable" isn't in the dictionary.

      One to grow on.

  16. Ladies and gentlemen... by choongiri · · Score: 1

    For the comfort and safety of all passengers, if you are unsure as to whether or not a specific device or periferal is approved for use during the flight, please check with your flight attendant before using it.

  17. Re:Overly elaborate setup by ari_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many people desperately want to do the "hard hacks" that would earn them geek cred. They want to be the guy who builds a 5,000rpm pneumatic Lego engine or who converts a Roomba into an automatic dog-walker. The problem is that most of them are stupid and uncreative, so you end up with "hacks" like cooking bacon with power from USB ports.

  18. Yesterdays news by Tordre · · Score: 1

    I know this is idle and one should not care what is posted here but isn't this particular example a couple years old, i do believe when it was new it was posted to real slash dot, then again i am just going from the picture, because the link is broken...

    oh wait a bit of digging got me there and yes the page is date 2006,

    also why is idle not on the new comment system, i hate having to reload just to view a single comment.

  19. 5V of power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Volts are not a measurement of power, I am amazed at the number of people who don't understand this.

  20. What kind of a world do we live in... by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    So we have an article on Slashdot about someone used 30 USB ports to cook some bacon?

    Wow. Have we stooped to a new low?

    What does this article tell me? I'll tell you what it tells me; USB is woefully underpowered. I won't stop campaigning until it takes only one USB port to do the same. If I want to have a bacon sandwich from my laptop without moving from the comfort of my easy chair, then it would take an electrocution from the flying spaghetti monster to stop me.

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  21. Hmm.. and I thought this was a gag gift.... by grepya · · Score: 1

    USB Toaster . Apparently not.

  22. Re:why not just use the fucking stove by bsharma · · Score: 1

    That is what I feel every time someone talks about climbing Everest. Why not develop a high altitude Everest class helicopter. Then someone can even setup a penthouse on Everest and arrange tourists to visit ( like the Russians are doing with that "Most Expensive Motel" AKA International Space Station)

  23. Re:USB ports supply a maximum of 1/2 Amp, 500 mA by marcansoft · · Score: 1

    If you short the port, the internal circuitry turns off the power.

    Unless you're using a powered no-name chinese hub (or many brand name ones that are just rebranded chinese hubs). In that case, the chance of the hub having current limiting capability is virtually 0. Results vary from the adapter handling it, through it crapping out, physically melting or catching on fire, to it shorting out to mains and taking your motherboard with it.

    Be very afraid of powered chinese hubs. I've yet to find one that even has the required diode to avoid sending power back from the adapter into the host PC. Unpowered ones are mostly OK, as then any short will just propagate to the host and it will shut off the power.

  24. Works for telco landlines, too by e9th · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those who still have landline phones, Mike Sandman, purveyor of genuinely indispensable old-school telephony gear, has some telco line powered goodies.

    Don't even try to order any of them, though.

  25. Re:5 volts of power? by HelioWalton · · Score: 1

    Whoosh!

  26. I knew slashdot was slow.... by ninjackn · · Score: 2, Informative

    but I didn't expect a story from over 4 years ago. For those of you who can read japanese the original blog post is here.

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  27. Why not use the CPU/GPU as heat source for cooking by RandySC · · Score: 1

    My graphics card is at 68C and goes up to 73-74C when it gets used by the games. It would be better to use the existing heat output from a computer to cook than to bother with USB. Maybe someone should build a custom case that looks like a hibachi grill on the top.

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  28. Re:Why not use the CPU/GPU as heat source for cook by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Back in my day during college when we need to warm up the dorm room, we just threw another ray trace at the Pentium. We also had to walk uphill both ways to reach the keyboards though.

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  29. Firewire Pig Cooking by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 1

    Pft. Firewire can cook an entire pig - INSTANTLY

  30. The exception to that rule by PFritz21 · · Score: 1

    When it comes to bacon, you always should. There shouldn't even be a second thought about it, it should come naturally to you, like a reflex.

  31. Hover shoes! by reg106 · · Score: 1

    No. Everything on youtube is true. Especially hover shoes.

  32. all kinds of recipes come to mind... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Cooking With Your USB Ports

    They stir-fry and sauté nicely. Drizzle with rubbing alcohol, top with a dollop of thermal compound and serve.

  33. If you feel like doing this... by FauxReal · · Score: 1

    Don't forget your Thanko 80 port USB hub.

  34. hoax by luther349 · · Score: 1

    a pc does not have 30 ports. so unless he used a bunch of ac powered hubs theirs no way get got enough voltage from his pc ports alone. but at point its cooking with usb hubs. not to mention all the power wasted on the hubs and pc your electric stove probably uses less. its just imposable to pull that kind of wattage from your pc. the power supply would just choke and die. theirs plenty of cool ways to cook food like solar ovens.

    1. Re:hoax by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      If you look at the picture, you can see 6 PCI cards in the box with cables coming off of them. So 6X4=24 + 6 on the MB would be 30. Not a huge leap to accept that there might actually be that many ports on a PC build specifically for this stunt.

  35. Re:GFX solution may be better by luther349 · · Score: 1

    they did that with a 360 gpu once. cooked a egg on it. they did it to prove a point that the 360 ran to hot. and yes it was a 360 that aruldy red ringed.

  36. Re:Overly elaborate setup by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 1

    Cooking bacon with USB is equally as hard/creative as a Roomba dog walker. In fact it's only a couple steps below perpetual motion or "I solved unified field theory" again. If you want something impressive it has to both require time and skill, while at the same time providing pretty pictures that let us drool about. The Moller flying car for example. Otherwise you might as well create USB powered desktop cold fusion with a boring glass of water that may release a buble every few minutes. -Sorry, NyQuil induced rant.

  37. Re:Why not use the CPU/GPU as heat source for cook by llamapater · · Score: 2, Funny

    your dorm was a mobius strip too?

  38. Re:Old old old by YoshiDan · · Score: 1

    Like your mum

  39. Re:Why not use the CPU/GPU as heat source for cook by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 1

    It's definitely been done. It's hot but small, so it lends itself to frying an egg or something, but definitely doable. On the other hand, I saw a George Foreman turned into a webserver once.

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  40. 5V? Bah! by naturaverl · · Score: 1

    I'm absolutely certain that I could cook the same food in just as much or less time with only 1 V.

    By the way, I'm getting ever closer to turning in my slashdot card. If the editors can't catch such a fundamental (and fundamentally simple) misuse of terms, E.G. if the editors don't understand these simple electrical principles that were discovered ALMOST TWO HUNDRED FREAKIN YEARS AGO, then I no longer want to be associated.

    This is a TECH site. The editor of this submission should know the difference between voltage and power. No, I'm not new here. It used to be better.

  41. sounds like a mess by Francofille · · Score: 1

    How much geek cred do you get for having a machine and desk area covered with grease spatter? There's a reason we have a separate room for cooking where surfaces are easily cleaned with a damp sponge and mop... Why not, indeed.

  42. Re:why not just use the fucking stove by hitmark · · Score: 1

    Iirc, there is not enough air density that high up for a copter to work.

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