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Is Linux At the End of Its Life Cycle?

Glyn Moody writes "That's what Nikolai Pryanishnikov, president of Microsoft Russia, seems to think. Quoted in the context of continuing questions about Russia's plans to create its own national operating system based on GNU/Linux, Pryanishnikov said [via Google Translate]: 'We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle.' An off-the-cuff comment, or something more?"

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  1. In Soviet Russia... by Stregano · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...good OS dies first

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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by drumcat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linux reboots you.

    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, GNU Hurd triumphs over Linux!

    3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lifecycle ENDS YOU!

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    4. Re:In Soviet Russia... by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Funny

      FUD spreads Microsoft Russian (aka MSSR) exec.

      I think I know why MSSR is depicting Linux as a end of line OS: I hear MS has a beta of an operating system, has been in the works for a loong time (beta 1.0 came shortly after the first Mac). One of these days it will be good for release. Possibly.

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    5. Re:In Soviet Russia... by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yuri: what's the difference between microsoft and russia?
      Sasha: One's a ruthless totalitarian empire bent on world domination, with millions of informers, riddled with organized crime.
      The other's a computer company.

    6. Re:In Soviet Russia... by jgardia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, I just think it is just the way they see things in Microsoft. When an OS is stable and works reliably, then it is at the end of its life cycle (like Windows XP).

    7. Re:In Soviet Russia... by mangu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yuri: what's the difference between microsoft and russia?
      Sasha: One's a ruthless totalitarian empire bent on world domination, with millions of informers, riddled with organized crime.
      The other's a computer company.

      I knew they had privatized everything when the Soviet Union fell, but this is ridiculous!

      No way they turned Russia into a computer company!

  2. And Windows is? by gman003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same criticisms can be applied to Windows. Definitely not a Russian OS, and it's definitely starting to slip.

    1. Re:And Windows is? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's pretty brazen of you to imply that Windows is less secure than Linux. Put a desktop distro on linux and connect it to the internet, give it Window's marketshare and watch hackers make swiss cheese of it.

      LOL. Where do all these 'there is no difference in security between operating system' trolls come from?

      Wasn't Ubuntu pulled from OS cracking contests recently because it was too hard to crack when compared to Windows and MacOS?

    2. Re:And Windows is? by cforciea · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then they discarded 95/98

      That's a funny way of describing the Windows ME production process, but after a couple of seconds thought, I think it is accurate.

    3. Re:And Windows is? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

      By your logic, marketshare % == hacking attempts %. You do realize that many servers run Linux right? According to Forrester Research 48% of businesses surveyed used OSS. If Linux represents even half of that then at least 24% of businesses use Linux. That would mean 24% of all exploits would have to be targetting Linux. Funny I don't see 24% of botnets being written for Linux. The vast, vast majority are written for Windows.

      Also hackers do it for the glory or for money. If they are after money, then they would target financial institutions. Also they attack the weakest point. So far hackers target customers of these institution who use Windows, not the servers themselves that use Linux or Unix or whatever. Maybe because Linux servers are harder to compromise than Windows desktops?

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    4. Re:And Windows is? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

      By implying that Windows has undergone a ground up rewrite wile Linux has not, you imply that you already know the answer to your own question, which means your question is not at all earnest.

      One might even say he was begging the question...

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    5. Re:And Windows is? by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, WOW was part of WIndows 95, and allowed 16-bit Windows 3.1 apps to run on the 32-bit OS. Sure, Microsoft applied the desktop shell improvements to both product lines in parallel, but the desktop shell has never really been the problem with Windows. The real backwards compatibility comes from Win32 - allowing user-mode code to use the same systems library with either kernel. Basically everything you can call the OS, from the kernel up through the implementation of the systems libraries, was different between NT and Win9x.

      If you just want to argue that the new OS was backwards compatible for apps with the old one, sure - that's true. It's also why Windows won. People like thier apps.

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    6. Re:And Windows is? by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm.. no.

      Windows NT was released in 1993, 2 years before Windows 9x. So it's not really possible for it to have been a port of 9x. In reality, the guys that wrote the 9x UI were NT guys who were on loan to the 9x team. They had intended to write the UI for NT (then code named Cairo) but 9x got higher priority due to the need to bridge the dos/nt barrier with app and driver compatibility.

    7. Re:And Windows is? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Informative

      What kind of reasoning is that? Sounds like a very elite hacking contest...

      If the 'elite hackers' can break into Windows and MacOS but not Ubuntu, that should tell you something.

      Besides, there have been countless amount of Linux hacks and exploits.

      No there haven't:

      a) the number is clearly countable.
      b) the number is far, far less than the number of Windows hacks and exploits.
      c) the Linux exploits are generally fixed much faster: my Ubuntu machines are normally patched automatically before the exploit hits the media.
      d) Windows has staggering amounts of insecure backwards compatibility crud which guarantees security holes. For example, including the current directory on the DLL search path by default... that is quite simply insane, but Microsoft won't change it in case they break WhizzbangSoft-95 and those users complain about it.

    8. Re:And Windows is? by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kids these days.

      Windows 95 was an updated GUI running on DOS. You must be thinking of something else.

      Lessee... Windows NT 3.1 was the Windows 3.1 GUI running on a new (NT) kernel.

      ("New" is relative, as NT was created by a bunch of VMS coders, from which it gets message passing and other features. One could argue somewhat whimsically that Dos-based Windows up to ME was based on 1981 technology, and every Windows version since then was based on 1975 technology.)

      NT 3.51 would be called a service pack today. It was pretty solid for the time.

      Windows NT 4.0 was the NT 3.5 core with a GUI that looked more like Windows 95.

      Windows 2000 (still my favorite Windows desktop for business use) was basically a huge service pack on NT 4.

      Windows XP was a substantial update of 2000, but by no means a "ground up" rewrite.

      Vista started as a "ground up" rewrite (Longhorn) but was plagued by project delays and restarts. I'm not certain, but I wouldn't be surprised at all that what actually made it to GA had a substantial amount of XP code.

      Then there's discussions on thunking and code reuse and backwards compatibility...

      I'm by no means an expert, but I don't think that Windows has ever had a complete bare-metal ground-up rewrite.

      But if it did, it was not Windows 95.

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    9. Re:And Windows is? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the PWN2OWN competition in 2008, attackers were able to crack the OSX and Vista laptops, but no one succeeded in breaking into the Ubuntu machine. There weren't any Linux targets in 2009 or 2010 (it looks like the focus shifted more toward web browser vulnerabilities anyhow).

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  3. Nonstory, sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in, WIndows person says non-windows product will fail! Gets frontpage on slashdot!

    1. Re:Nonstory, sorry by md65536 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but ms only does this when they already have a competing product that has already proven itself vastly more successful.
      http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/09/11/1920205/Microsoft-Holds-iPhone-Funeral-Event
      http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/09/22/1416246/Xbox-Head-Proclaims-Blu-ray-Dead

      It's not like they're trying to create popular doubt in superior products or anything.

  4. It's Hindsight by jgagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As in looking at the world with your head stuck firmly up your ass.

    The GNU tool chain isn't going anywhere. The Linux kernel isn't going anywhere. The only thing in flux to any great degree would be the packages contained in the distributions.

    If you define "end of life cycle" as the middle of eternity, then sure, GNU/Linux is at the "end" with half-way to go.

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    1. Re:It's Hindsight by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The use of Dash as the default shell over Bash, the growing preference for cmake over GNU Make, and the speedy progress of Clang against GCC mean that the GNU toolchain is not invulnerable. Even if they still have a few years on the competition in most areas, I think GNU needs to start thinking now about how to maintain its relevance in the long term.

    2. Re:It's Hindsight by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't have to...
      GNU is not about dominance, it is about ensuring software freedom. GNU was a plan to replace proprietary tools with open equivalents, the fact that these open equivalents are now being replaced with superior open equivalents is irrelevant.

      I doubt RMS's primary goal is that everyone use GNU software, rather that everyone should use open source software regardless of who wrote it or where it came from, providing its users have the freedoms granted by the GPL (or a great level, eg BSD).

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    3. Re:It's Hindsight by slapout · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought RMS's primary goal was to ensure that everyone called it GNU/Linux :-)

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  5. How One Might Interpret That by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is at the end of its life cycle

    That's not a bad thing. In a lot of the classic software development models, the "end" state of a software's life cycle was operations and maintenance (O&M). Which is to say you have no new requirements having fulfilled all the basic requirements. It's bad if you constantly need new features but sometimes it can be an indication that the software is mature or near complete. At this point the customer only ever pays you money to put it back into development or fix/improve something small.

    I would agree that the 2.6 kernel series is very robust and something we will most likely use for quite sometime. But I would always shy from ever saying that an operating system has all the major features it could ever need. I mean, I know a lot of clients that are committed to some version of the 2.6 kernel in their server rooms and would only ever update if there was a necessary security flaw or performance feature that they could not live without. For a lot of them, Linux has provided all the web server or database hosting features they would ever need and the product of "Linux" is indeed in the final phase of its life cycle. The vast majority of their patches are to Apache, Postgres, etc.

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  6. President of Microsoft Russia by stagg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, the president of Microsoft Russia should be a reliable, trustworthy source for this kind of analysis, right? Right?

  7. what will it be called? by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Funny

    PinkOS.

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  8. Google Translate by kwabbles · · Score: 5, Informative

    "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle."

    could also be:
    "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is deprecated"
    "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is obsolete"
    "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is old fashioned"

    Does anyone have the exact translation for what the guy really meant or just a Google translation.

    Also, of course it's off-the-cuff. A Microsoft guy saying nothing more than "Linux is [i]x[/i]" with nothing more to back up the statement or shed more light on it.

    This is news?

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    1. Re:Google Translate by TurtleBay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to second this. My girlfriend is trilingual and is a professional translator. She jokes with her coworkers at how bad online automated translations are. Take a look at funnytranslator.com. After 30 online translations the phrase: "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS and, moreover, is at the end of its life cycle." becomes: "The Linux Caozuojitong what life in Russia, you know."

    2. Re:Google Translate by windcask · · Score: 5, Funny

      He could also be saying "We must bear in mind that Linux is not a Russian OS, and moreover, is the ass of a living bicycle."

      or

      "Die, capitalist pig."

    3. Re:Google Translate by sheehaje · · Score: 4, Funny

      "This is news?"

      It has the words Linux, Microsoft, and Russia in it. News? This to Slashdot is like the Ark of the Covenant is to religion.

    4. Re:Google Translate by LifesABeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      After listening to Nikolai's comments, a more accurate translation turned out to be, "If 'I' use Linux, 'I' will be at the end of 'My' Life-Cycle." It's a common translation mistake.

  9. Just Days After.... by Ynot_82 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Steve Ballmer said that (paraphrasing) Linux is what all our competitors use

    This was in response to a question by their stockholders about the possibility of breaking the company up

    http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/11/ballmer-and-gates-heres-why-were.html

    Divesting something only means creating a harder time competing for all relevant parties . The operating systems that are popular on clients also tend to be popular on servers. They're all based around Linux technology. We happen to build our server business on Windows technology. It creates dis-synergy in fact to split our server and enterprise business from our client business.

  10. Oh come on by Jethro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, this is the kind of remark best ignored rather than obsessing or getting upset over. Company execs talk nonsense all the time. I mean what do you expect him to day "Oh dear, this new OS will cut into our sales, as Linux has been doing and will continue doing for the foreseeable future"? Didn't think so.

    Let him talk, just nod politely and continue compiling your kernel.

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  11. EVEN AS LINUX BEGAN... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    We knew that fools would Russian, to try and Finnish it off.

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    1. Re:EVEN AS LINUX BEGAN... by masmullin · · Score: 5, Funny

      but I... cant... help... falling in love with gnu!

  12. Russian OS.. by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows is not a Russian OS either... I'm not aware of any OS which has been developed from scratch in Russia.

    Linux at least comes with source code allowing the Russians to customise it however they wish. Windows doesn't provide that flexibility.

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  13. Linux NT by perpenso · · Score: 4, Funny

    All open source projects evolve to the point where the current developers want to throw away all the code and start again.

    I'm expecting Linux NT, an entirely new kernel using a microkernel architecture. :-)

  14. Bollocks by TheRealGrogan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of these Microsoft people believe their own FUD. They'll argue that the sun is the moon to discredit alternatives. One of the best that I've heard from someone I used to think highly of is that "Windows has far more security mechanisms in place than Unix"

    I think that part of the driving force for the attitude among Microsoft enthusiasts is that they are scared of change. They are happy in their safe little world (safe, in terms of job security etc.) and it makes them angry that better systems exist and people are taking an interest in them.

    Note that I'm an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solitaire Engineer) but please don't hold that against me :-)

  15. As a native Russian speaker... by PaulBu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, he did literally say "end of life cycle". Most probably because in modern Russian corporate-speak expressions and terms like this are direct translations from English (in the same way 300 to 100 years ago they were borrowed from French :) ).

    Paul B.