Slashdot Mirror


P2P Litigation Crippled In DC District Court Ruling

An anonymous reader writes "In a stunning defeat for the US Copyright Group, DC District Court Judge Rosemary Collyer is forcing copyright holders to sue only those over whom the DC court has personal jurisdiction. The USCG has sued in the DC court more than 4,500 people on behalf of a German producer that created the Far Cry movie. But the Judge is having none of that; in her ruling [Friday], Judge Collyer stated that only those who are in the DC court's jurisdiction can be sued — shrinking what could have been a windfall of defendant's cash to perhaps a mere trickle."

28 of 114 comments (clear)

  1. Conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The USCG has sued over 4,500 people on behalf of a German producer that created the Far Cry movie in the DC court.

    I don't see how the judge can be impartial if he let them make the movie in his court.

    1. Re:Conflict of interest by ozbird · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DC District Court Judge Rosemary Collyer is a he?

    2. Re:Conflict of interest by RoboRay · · Score: 2, Funny

      And why is the Coast Guard even involved in this?

    3. Re:Conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mrs. White: He didn't seem to like me very much. He had threatened to kill me in public.
      Miss Scarlet: Why would he want to kill you in public?
      Wadsworth: I think she means he threatened, in public, to kill her.
      Miss Scarlet: Oh.

  2. Re:End of the world! by flyneye · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want that woman considered for the next Supreme vacancy!

    --
    *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  3. Now if only they ask for proof. by cenobyte40k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good the next step would be for the judge to follow the rule of law and force them to prove that the movie was downloaded, and that the person they are suing is the one that downloaded it. I have yet to see a court case where they proved that well enough for me to ever have said guilty.

    1. Re:Now if only they ask for proof. by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Civil, not criminal. Preponderance of evidence - IOW, "more likely than not" - is the standard.

    2. Re:Now if only they ask for proof. by cenobyte40k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understand that civil court does not have the same strict rules about how clear cut the case must be, but I have yet to see a case where the evidence didn't just show that it might be that IP, which might have been used by this address, which is primarily used by X person but likely many others and then is most cases fail to show me that the files in question where actually the data they say it was. (IE just because the file is called meninblack.mkv does not mean it's the movie Men in Black) I admit I am not a lawyer and that i have not read all the cases, but of the ones I have, have yet to see it any real evidence at all (Mostly just very poor understanding of the technology used the the advantage of lawyers to extort money)

    3. Re:Now if only they ask for proof. by VortexCortex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Protip: If you want to avoid blackmail, avoiding doing overtly illegal things is probably a good place to start. Especially overtly illegal things that have enormous civil penalties.

      Overtly illegal? Like operating a bit-torrent tracker, or downloading from peers connected to said trackers?

      MediaDefender mistakenly attacked Revision3's legitimate bit-torrent tracker.

      It's not "avoid doing overtly illegal things", but instead, "avoid using technology that big corporations don't like, and the courts and juries don't understand".

      You can use the defense: Guns aren't only used to kill people, just because I have a pistol doesn't mean I kill people; It's a much easier defense than: Torrents aren't only used to download content illegally, just because I use torrents doesn't mean I commit copyright infringement.

      You can use the defense: The bank-robbers asked me for directions to the bank, they didn't look like bad people to me so I gave them directions. It's not my fault the bank got robbed, I didn't help rob a bank!
      A much more difficult defense: We only tell downloaders where the content is, we can't tell by IP if it's illegal for them to download the content, we assume they are innocent unless proven guilty. It's not my fault someone else committed copyright infringement, we don't actually help them copy the data!

      Judges and jurors understand guns and maps; They don't understand torrents, trackers, transient IP addresses, etc.

      Proof is only valuable to those who understand the nature of the evidence.

      Education is the answer. I would like Judges and Jurors to have to take a quick quiz on the basic technology in use in these types of trials. Fail the test, you're not qualified to make a judgment.

  4. Far Cry? by Junta · · Score: 4, Funny

    If people stole and presumably watch the movie Far Cry, *they* should be suing the studio for emotional distress or something.

    *NO ONE* should be subjected to a Uwe Boll film.

    --
    XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
    1. Re:Far Cry? by uweboll · · Score: 3, Funny

      What exactly don't you like about my films?

    2. Re:Far Cry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What exactly don't you like about my films?

      Their existence.

    3. Re:Far Cry? by stms · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stop Uwe Boll Now. Don't wait until you or a loved one accidentally sees one of his movies.

    4. Re:Far Cry? by windcask · · Score: 2, Informative

      He already said that it's been too long since that petition has started, and he wouldn't stop even if they got the signatures now. The fact is, he's just not that popular.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uwe_boll#Petition_to_retire

  5. Protection from copyright infringement? by Wingsy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the tradition of having at least 1 off-topic post in any discussion, let me ask a question here. If I set my torrent client's upload bandwidth to zero I find that I still get reasonable download speeds but I upload nothing. I know the torrent crowd would like to hang me for that but doesn't that offer me protection from copyright infringement lawsuits?

    --
    If I didn't have absolutely NOTHING to do, I wouldn't be here.
    1. Re:Protection from copyright infringement? by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'll still be showing as "offering it for download", you just won't be actually allowing the download to take place.If you want to be truly safe, stick to Rapidshare and... the old way. The other thing. That Which We Do Not Mention. Because it's also download-only.

    2. Re:Protection from copyright infringement? by windcask · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, according to modern interpretations of copyright laws, even using a service like that is ruled as complicity in the commission of a crime or something to that effect. It's a shame that there's really no other good way to get Linux ISOs or other perfectly legal large files without having to live in fear of getting sued...

    3. Re:Protection from copyright infringement? by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem then isn't bittorrent.

      It's sue-happy companies that honestly do not give a shit if they hit innocent victims.

      http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/19/1339220/Anti-Piracy-Lawyers-Knew-Letters-Hit-Innocents

      These fuckers need disbarred for sending frivolous legal notices.

      I doubt they will, because that's just how corrupt the system is.

    4. Re:Protection from copyright infringement? by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The making available theory was set aside a few years back. In order for it to be infringement you not only have to make it available, but somebody has to actually download it. And not only that, the party filing the suit has to prove that somebody actually downloaded it without authorization.

      Meaning that whomever they've authorized to investigate can't download a copy and use that as evidence that the file was actually downloaded without authorization.

  6. Re:End of the world! by rrkbogie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rosemary is actually a dude who sits on the bench in drag. She legally changed her name back before Clinton nominated her. Some say she was nominated because of a connection to Vince Foster.

    This seems unlikely, given that she graduated from a Catholic University:

    http://www.trinitydc.edu/admissions/profiles/mayerscollyer68.html

  7. Well ... by thomst · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... looks like her verdict was a (ahem) far cry from what Uwe Boll was expecting.

    --
    Check out my novel.
  8. "Crippled"? "Stunning defeat"? by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uh, you do know that a 12(b)(2) dismissal for lack of personal jurisdiction is not a dismissal with prejudice or on the merits? They can simply refile this elsewhere, without the new judge being bound by this dismissal. 12(b)(2) motions are procedural, and don't reach the actual case.

    1. Re:"Crippled"? "Stunning defeat"? by kennykb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, it's at least a start. Now instead of having one case against defendants across the whole US, the lawyers have to refile in all 92 district courts, multiplying their expenses considerably. (Particularly since a lawyer who files pro hac vice in many of the districts must retain local counsel.) Moreover, the defendants will be sued in their home districts. They don't need to retain counsel and appear in DC to contest their cases. (If a distant court finds a way to assert personal jurisdiction, you're well advised either to prosecute an interlocutory appeal or settle, because the expense of simply making all the required appearances in the distant state will be ruinous.)

      This was also a mandatory first move on the defendants' part. Once you've filed any paperwork with the court without contesting its jurisdiction, you've lost your chance. If you've been sued in the wrong place, you get only one short opportunity to tell that to the judge. After that, you're deemed to have acquiesced on the point. That's unbelievably harsh against pro se defendants, who may not have even been able to find a lawyer (especially since the notice served against them states that they need fo find one in the distant state) by the time they're required to file an answer, but it's the law.

      So it's not a major victory, but it would have gone considerably worse for the defendants had the judge asserted personal jurisdiction against them.

  9. Re:Except... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...all that will happen is they will refile in the other districts where the offenders reside.

    While whoever marked you troll is probably on the money, a lot of people probably might wonder why this would be significant.

    It's hard to geolocate many IP addresses with any degree of precision, especially one you got months ago. And even if you can, it's not like they ever make their money back on these cases-even if they win, most of the defendants are going to go bankrupt. They won't make enough money in their life to pay the exorbitant judgment. Filing these in every district in the country, refiling the ones where you "missed", etc., is going to run up the legal bills very quickly. In the meantime, you're going to continue to annoy judges by clogging up their dockets with cases intended to "make an example" of Little Johnny or Grandma. And while an annoyed judge still must follow the law, they can certainly do as this judge did-choose to follow it very strictly indeed.

    --
    To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
  10. Re:End of the world! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want that woman considered for the next Supreme vacancy!

    How do we even know she can sing?

  11. Re:End of the world! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Especially since she was appointed in 2003, which means she was appointed by George W. Bush.

    --
    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  12. Re:Hooray, Slashdot! by Ccomp5950 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The litigation is questionable and is used as a means to threaten thousands of people (some innocent) into simply paying up by settling which most would have done. It's a business model, not trying to right a wrong. The fact that alleged copyright infringers may not see the inside of a court room due to it is secondary.

  13. Re:Hooray, Slashdot! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The litigation is questionable and is used as a means to threaten thousands of people (some innocent) into simply paying up by settling which most would have done. It's a business model, not trying to right a wrong. The fact that alleged copyright infringers may not see the inside of a court room due to it is secondary.

    Yes, it's an abuse of the legal system that was pioneered (so far as I'm aware) by the RIAA, in order to a. make money and b. bypass any semblance of due process. This idea of winning default judgments in venues that are far removed from the alleged infringers was a cornerstone of that practice, in that it would grant the media company lawyers an instant and inexpensive club useful for mass intimidation, while simultaneously making it difficult if not impossible to mount any kind of defense.

    This Judge appears to have a clear understanding of the tactic, and she did not like it. She gets points for understanding that this is a business model, a revenue source, not an attempt at legitimate redress and gets bonus points for putting the skids on it. Several judges involved in the RIAA's ongoing rampage wrote similar decisions: I hope this starts to become popular.

    Now, to be fair, this "U.S. Copyright Group" was very up front about what they were going to do, and why, and bragged about it as a way for movie makers to "monetize" copyright infringement. Of course, they failed to advertise that it was just as amoral and unethical as the RIAA's similar compaign, and just as destined to hurt innocent people.

    --
    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.