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Apple iOS 4.2 Hands-On

adeelarshad82 writes "Apple's highly-anticipated iOS 4.2 update for iPad, iPhone, and the iPod touch finally arrived this morning, along with an update for Apple TV. The update includes Airplay, which enables wireless streaming of video, photos, and music from your iOS device to Apple TV. AirPlay is an exciting new development for iOS device owners who also have Apple TVs. As long as the devices are on the same wireless network, they automatically detect each other. AirPlay also lets users multitask while streaming video to an Apple TV. Unfortunately though, AirPlay is a one-way street. Users cannot stream something they rented on Apple TV to their iOS device. The iOS 4.2 update also included the introduction of AirPrint, which is the wireless printing solution for the iPad. (The ability to print to a printer attached to a local PC or Mac was dropped from the release, however.) Other minor changes Apple squeezed into this update were: better Word document fidelity in iWork, multi-tasking, and Game Center."

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  1. Still not available to everbody ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    As of 1:12PM EST a "Check For Update" still tells me that 3.2.2 is the latest version.

    Hoping I can get the update today and play with it.

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    1. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Make sure you have iTunes 10.1 - upgrading iTunes worked for me. The iOS update is still underway, though... 28 min. and rising. What's up with their CDN?!

    2. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by rainhill · · Score: 1

      i got the same me message, but trying a second time did the update.

    3. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by camperslo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Beware that the user agreement for iTunes gives Apple permissions you probably don't expect, like gathering data on how you use you machine. Expect that they see app log files. Many of the disc ripping and burning utilities, as well as video conversion utilities such as HandBrake log the files or disks processed. ClamX AV keeps a log of files scanned. Note the use of "verfiy compliance" below:

      From the popup user agreement seen when updating iTunes:

      "4. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including but not limited to technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software and to verify compliance with the terms of this License.Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you."

      In the past after crashes/force-quits etc., there was an option to opt-in to sending this additional information automatically and periodically. Later it acts without you seeing it, and you're not told how to reverse the opt-in.

      There are settings in the prefs for the console app to turn off sending the "anonymous" info. I use the quotes, because besides you IP address, some of the log files contain things like your user name (that of home folder).

      http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/SubmitDiagInfo.8.html

      Even if you don't mind Apple collecting the info, you might not wanting it sent over some net connections.
      transmission is periodic, not just after a crash.

      Some are using the utility Little Snitch to block outgoing connections to radarsubmissions.apple.com

      http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2141147&tstart=105

      There's a utility that Xcode installs that can configure some reporting. /Developer/Applications/Utilities/CrashReporterPrefs.app

      http://discussions.info.apple.com/thread.jspa;jsessionid=57C8B4C60DD7F68968B6617155516075.node0?messageID=11555436&#11555436

      Looking under "Diagnostic and Usage Info" in console shows a number of things that get sent.

      With the current terms of the iTunes agreement, I have to wonder if this info-gathering behavior is now enabled without the crash opt-in user approval. Maybe there's not a problem, but this is worthy of examination. It seems a bit much for the iTunes license to affect things outside the use of iTunes.

      Apple makes great hardware and is generally very responsive to issues. If there's a problem and users are vocal about it, they seem likely to do what they can to satisfy people.

    4. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Interesting, thanks. Blocking radarsubmissions.apple.com in my WiFi router causes iTunes to download the iOS update, but once the dl is complete, I get "an unknown error occured, check your network settings or try again later" (twice). Unblocked the radar-URL, now it installs.

      Maybe there's not a problem, but this is worthy of examination.

      Maybe there is, and yes it is! Someone release the wireshark on this!

    5. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Beware that the user agreement for iTunes gives Apple permissions you probably don't expect, like gathering data on how you use you machine. Expect that they see app log files. Many of the disc ripping and burning utilities, as well as video conversion utilities such as HandBrake log the files or disks processed. ClamX AV keeps a log of files scanned. Note the use of "verfiy compliance" below:

      It's absolutely absurd to think Apple is reading your Handbrake or ClamAV logs. This sort of wording is about how iTunes tells Apple what kind of iPhone you have and what apps you have so it can tell you what updates are available.

      Apple is very keen on privacy. I'd be extremely surprised if they did anything even remotely as far-reaching as you are implying.

    6. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by bonch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Welcome to Slashdot, where Apple collecting technical specs on your device is something to beware, but don't you dare criticize Google for driving WiFi-snooping vans around your neighborhood to gather emails and passwords.

    7. Re:Still not available to everbody ... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Apple may use this information, as long as it is in a form that does not personally identify you, to improve our products or to provide services or technologies to you.

      So, if they violate this, that would be a breach of contract, yes?

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  2. Printing not dropped from 4.2 by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Informative

    The required files for CUPS in OS X and 10.1 for windows were dropped from the current release and printing can be enabled with third party software on the mac or by obtaining files from the earlier beta of 10.6.5.

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    1. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Easiest way to enable it on the Mac is to find a program called "Hacktivator".

      http://netputing.com/2010/11/11/airprint-hacktivator/

      I did it with the GM, and it works perfectly.

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    2. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link! Worked great. I wonder why they removed printing to shared printers...there's no reason to only enable printing to those handful of HP devices...

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    3. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Funny, I remember Apple buying CUPS in 2007. Were they thinking about a fork for iOS then?

    4. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by ozarkcanoer · · Score: 1

      Yes, in fact I am using Fingerprint from Collobos Software on my 10.6.5 system and Airprint works fine for the test I've done so far from Safari. I have a Brother laser printer connected to an Airport Express to give my Mac and now my iPad wireless printing.

    5. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      > there's no reason to only enable printing to those handful of HP devices...

      the reason is to encourage getting new printers.

      it is also the reason nobody likes linux on the desktop. except possibly ubuntu, which tends to be a lil bloated.

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    6. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      I think they wanted printing support for osx without much trouble. cups fit the bill, and it has improved since.

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    7. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by jonwil · · Score: 1

      The reason is most likely the suitcase full of money the HP guys gave to the Apple guys.

    8. Re:Printing not dropped from 4.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also if you have the iTunes 10.1 beta for Windows, you can grab C:\Program Files\AirPrint or C:\Program Files (x86)\AirPrint to enable AirPrint on other Windows machines.

  3. "Other minor changes"? by BBrown · · Score: 4, Funny

    The OP's priorities seem a little odd.

    The big update of iOS 4.x is multitasking. Its far from being a "minor" update.

    And since AirPlay requires the purchase of an additional device, I doubt its a high priority to the majority of ipad users.

    1. Re:"Other minor changes"? by volcanopele · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the majority of iPod touch and iPhone users, this is a relatively minor update (unless you have an Apple TV), and clearly the OP is writing about the update from that perspective.

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    2. Re:"Other minor changes"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multitasking has been around for a while if your phone is jailbroken :D

    3. Re:"Other minor changes"? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Depends. I still have to test it, but 4.0 flat out broke compatibility of those devices with a lot of 3rd party devices - namely card stereos that let you connect directly to the unit.

      4.1 fixed some of that, but still left it very buggy. Most people said that the music would stutter every 30-40 seconds. My own setup (Sony CDX-GT700HD and an iPod Touch 2nd gen) didn't stutter, but the iPod would crash randomly when connected to the car stereo. About once every few hours it would reboot itself while playing.

      From my understanding, 4.2 is supposed to have worked out these issues. That alone makes it an extremely nice upgrade IMHO.

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    4. Re:"Other minor changes"? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually airplay streaming to the iOS device would be neat, since the ipad is a perfect streaming client. But it wont likely happen for whatever (Steve Jobs latest idiotic fad) reason. I am glad there are other solutions which do exactly that, but airplay is the typical half assed apple solution which is perfect 60% of the road and the rest of the 40% only will be added if they feel it with a sting in their wallet.

    5. Re:"Other minor changes"? by pchan- · · Score: 1

      This is a huge deal for developers since the iPad and iPhone/touch are now running the same software release. This means that developers no longer needs to target iOS 3.2 as the lowest common denominator for all devices, and can instead start using the new 4.x features (assuming they don't care about the very first generation iPhone/touch).

  4. Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by MouseR · · Score: 1

    ...and its been stellar. The only thing I find odd is quitting apps. The Home button now goes back to the home screen. To quit an app, you must double-tap the home button to display the task bar where you can close apps much like removing apps from the home screen: tap and hold reveals (-) buttons where you can close items.

    Not all that obvious, and you can not close an app unless you switch out from this app because the currently running app is not displayed in the task bar.

    1. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by schnikies79 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's been that way on the iPhone 4 and 3gs since iOS 4 came out.

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    2. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Albanach · · Score: 1, Interesting

      To quit an app, you must double-tap the home button to display the task bar where you can close apps

      "In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it" - Steve Jobs.

    3. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's been there since iOS 4, and Apple says that you should normally not have to fully quit the apps anymore due to how multitasking works. They shouldn't consume much resources when not being in use. So that's probably why quitting stuff has been moved out of the way a bit.

      I can confirm that Apple isn't bullshitting on all this, since until my pretty rare iPhone 3Gs resets, I often end up having 15 apps running at a time with no noticeable impact to battery life or sluggishness.

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    4. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by MouseR · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Didn't make it clear I'm running iPad.

      The OS is stellar in general, is what my comment was. Handy been closed to multitasking iOS yet because I didn't renew my iPhone after my gen 1 drowned.

    5. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by MouseR · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite. Unless said apps are made to multitask and recognized as such, they are effectively put to sleep and revived for instant-on to where you left it. Processes that need to run can register special threads that keep running. Eg, chrono apps, chat apps etc.

    6. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by MouseR · · Score: 1

      It's not a task manager.

      It's a task BAR :-p

      But yeah, it needs refining.

    7. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Albanach · · Score: 1

      Cydia has implemented it better - their backgrounding lets you hold down the home button to background and tap to quit. Not to mention proper app running in the background rather than just state saving.

    8. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

      i ran cydia's multi tasking on an iphone 3G when 4 first came out. it sucked was being nice. it literally runs the apps in the background which is completely useless if you're not using the app.

      the people who coded apple's multi tasking used to work for Palm and did it in a way to to use as less resources as possible. this is why Android phones are generally more powerful hardware wise than same generation iphones but feel more laggy.

    9. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Albanach · · Score: 1

      We know why Apple implemented it the way they did, but it has significant disadvantages too.

      Try running a softphone. An incoming UDP packet can't wake the app, whereas on Cydia it will work just fine.

      They've used a solutions for phones which have a tiny battery on tablets that have a much larger one.

    10. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Yup. go steve jobs.. Do as I say, not as I do?

    11. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by GweeDo · · Score: 2, Informative

      As an Android and iOS developer your comments seem a bit misguided. As long as an Android device is properly responding to onPause() and onResume() there is ZERO reason an Android app should be eating resources in the background. There are no UI events passed to an application that is backgrounded on Android.

    12. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by GweeDo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My personal experience with older apps on iOS 4.2.1 is that they don't go to sleep nicely. They basically just close. Two examples I have of this are the Huffington Post and USA Today apps. If you leave them (say to change what you are listening to in Pandora) and come back via the quick app switching bar (double click home button) they will simply restart as if you just launched them. Other apps, like Twitter, deal with the switch beautifully. It is going to be a bit before iOS apps deal with multitasking properly.

    13. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      What I want, let me CHOOSE what apps stay running. That way I dont have to go into my phone weekly and disable the 60 apps running in the background.

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    14. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Informative

      A thing to be careful with: Turn by turn navigation software will typically keep navigating in the background unless you completely close it using the taskbar. I used my phone to get me somewhere in Boston last month (walking). I used to Home key to background the task and stuck the phone in my pocket when I got there. 30-45 Minutes later I pulled the phone out and again and realized that I was all but out of juice. The phone had been navigating the whole time I ate lunch,and GPS navigation *devours* battery life.

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    15. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by skyfex · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're going into the recent apps list (double clicking home) and remove every item, then what've you done is clear a recent app list, not close running applications. iOS will close applications running in the background if it's out of memory or the apps have been idle for a while. It's a common misconception that the list is a running apps list, leading some to think they have to close them. I think the only apps that will run continuously in the background no matter what is the media player app and some Apple apps. The whole point of the way iOS multitasking was design was that you shouldn't have to use a task manager. Task managing is something that is utterly pointless for a human being to do, and it's insanely stupid that we're actually still doing it in Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

    16. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by knappe+duivel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. go steve jobs.. Do as I say, not as I do?

      Sorry but I'm really lazy. If you don't give me a stronger hint about what's behind the link, I'm not going to take the trouble to check it out.

    17. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Shadis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just make sure you look in the top right hand corner of the screen, just to the left of the battery indicator. If you have a navigation program running in the background it shows a little compass arrow. But yes, something to watch for as GPS does tend to suck the life from the battery quickly!

    18. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by sexconker · · Score: 0

      As an Android and iOS developer your comments seem a bit misguided. As long as an Android device is properly responding to onPause() and onResume() there is ZERO reason an Android app should be eating resources in the background.

      "Should" being the key word.
      I consider memory a resource. Applications running in the background on every Android device, ever, still gobble up memory like it's going out of style. Killing these fucking programs that launch themselves for no reason (Amazon MP3, the default text messaging and email programs that I've long-since replaced, etc.) frees up tons of memory and improves performance in other applications.

    19. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by GweeDo · · Score: 1

      In Android it isn't your job to kill off applications. They are supposed to sit there and eat memory when it is available. If you have 512MB of RAM, what is the point of having half of it empty just to make some graph in some resource app you have look pretty? Fill every bit of RAM you can with apps you are using or commonly use so they open quickly. When the system starts getting low on RAM and needs to free some, let Android send the app it wants to kill a Destroy command so the app can save its bundle and can reload that bundle when it is restored by you later.

      I hope and pray for the day that people finally stop thinking having their RAM full is some bad thing no matter what.

    20. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by kimvette · · Score: 1

      It's been there since iOS 4, and Apple says that you should normally not have to fully quit the apps anymore due to how multitasking works.

      Which can be interesting if you run tomtom. When you're in a store you will hear "turn left on main street" coming from your pocket/purse/etc. if you don't kill the app.

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    21. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      If an app is linked against pre-4.0 libraries, pressing the home button kills it instead of putting it to sleep. Simply recompiling the app against the new libraries will enable multitasking support (there are some changes you might want to make, but I don't think any of them are required).

      So far as I know, this isn't for any technical reasons. The early 4.0 betas enabled multitasking for all apps, and it was only midway through the beta that the behavior changed so that legacy apps quit instead of slept. I suspect this was done mainly for safety's sake -- prior to 4.0, you were constantly quitting apps and thereby making them regularly save their data. Post-4.0, an app might go for days without actually quitting. So these apps wouldn't receive any signals that they were being put to sleep (since the APIs to tell them that didn't exist back when they were compiled), potentially for days, meaning that a crash could wipe out days of data. Prior to 4.0, it would simply never be the case that you run a single app for days straight, and multitasking-aware apps don't suffer from this problem because they know to save their data at convenient intervals.

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    22. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by PerfectionLost · · Score: 1

      Wait, how do you explicitly quit an application?

    23. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 1

      The only thing I find odd is quitting apps. The Home button now goes back to the home screen. To quit an app, you must double-tap the home button to display the task bar where you can close apps much like removing apps from the home screen: tap and hold reveals (-) buttons where you can close items.

      Apps don't really run or quit on iOS. They suspend their operation and re-start their operation. The list you are talking about is more like a list of recently run apps. When you press the home button you are putting the app in a state of "suspended animation", when you double-click the home button and choose another app then your current app is again put into a state of "suspended animation"

      It's up to the app itself to decide how to handle the suspend and wake events. Some apps keep a snapshot of their state and bring that state back when they awake, making it look like they were just put into the background. Some apps start up like they were just run. In any event an app that is not the frontmost app is really not taking up any processor time (with a very few exceptions like the music player or phone apps).

      The tap-and-hold action that you mentioned is just a way to re-order the recent apps menu. You can drag around and close the icons in order to keep the list of apps as you like it. It has no effect on the running state of the apps.

    24. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 1

      My personal experience with older apps on iOS 4.2.1 is that they don't go to sleep nicely. They basically just close. Two examples I have of this are the Huffington Post and USA Today apps.

      Apps need to be specifically written to "go to sleep nicely". No app is guaranteed to sufficient notice to sleep under iOS and if the app takes too long to close on its own it will be terminated so that it doesn't slow down the device. It's up to the app to save its state sufficiently as it is running so that it can sleep and wake nicely.

      Obviously some apps do this nicely and other apps don't. For some apps it really doesn't matter because every time they start up they want to go through the same process, other apps it's nice to return to the last document you were working on.

    25. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by mlts · · Score: 1

      Jailbreak, use RemoveBG, an add-on for SBSettings. A lot faster than zapping jiggly little icons.

    26. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry, my previous reply is a bit off. Apparently the task bar method does send a message to the app to quit, I wasn't aware that it also did that. Here's the two methods to get an app to quit:

      iPhone 101: Quitting apps in iOS 4

    27. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by aardwolf64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Double-tap home, find it in the list, tap-hold, click the minus sign.

    28. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      As long as an Android device is properly responding to onPause() and onResume() there is ZERO reason an Android app should be eating resources in the background.

      "Resources" are not limited to just "UI resources" - they also include CPU, RAM, bandwidth, and interactions with integrated hardware. The very fact that an app continues running in the background means it consumes more resources than if it weren't. This is true on BB devices, and I assume Android and iOS as well.

    29. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      I'm no EE, so I don't know if the impact is significant or not, but wouldn't "wired" RAM that is actively storing bits require additional juice. Volatile RAM, like that used in smartphones, doesn't work like flash. There is a power penalty for apps that are storing stuff in RAM. If you are literally doing nothing with the phone, it doesn't make sense to keep the whole 512MB of ram wired just because you happened to use applications before, especially if the OS has functions for the app to essentially be put to sleep. Again I'm not an EE or CE so in reality the power usage may not even be relevant but it's something to think about.

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    30. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by hsmith · · Score: 1

      Of course they just close as they did in 3.x - if they haven't been properly upgraded to iOS 4 and implement Multitasking as they should (Which the App writer can opt out of) - they will relaunch when you go back to them.

    31. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by NiteShaed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would agree with everything you said, but....my experience with the HTC Evo was that in Eclair, having a task manager was a must. Before the Froyo update, I had to regularly kill applications by hand because the phone would become sluggish to the point of being almost unusable and battery life would plummet. Killing apps that I didn't want/need made an immediate and noticeable difference. After the update though, I disabled auto-kill on my task manager and found that everything was pretty much fine.

      Is it possible that there was some other change that happened around the time of Froyo that would account for this? I suppose so, but my feeling is that Eclair just didn't manage resources anywhere near as well as Froyo does.

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    32. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Firehed · · Score: 1

      99% of the time, you have no need to get at the task manager (by which I mean the actual interface to kill apps, not just switch between them). The only time I've ever need to use that was when Mail freaked out on me and forgot how to download messages. Previously I'd have to restart the phone, now I can just kill the app and try again. Just like how in day-to-day use of my laptop, I don't need to use the Force Quit menu. On rare occasion something goes very wrong, but by and large I don't need to mess around with that stuff.

      Granted, that still means that someone screwed up (always Apple in my case - I've never had the need to kill a third-party app, though I'm sure others have), but as a general rule iOS does a fantastic job managing all of the memory management and whatnot so that I don't need to ever think about it.

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    33. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by LucidBeast · · Score: 1

      45 minutes? Doesn't that pretty much render the navigation useless? Is this normal?

    34. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      Task managing is something that is utterly pointless for a human being to do, and it's insanely stupid that we're actually still doing it in Windows/Mac OS/Linux.

      Unless, of course, you are doing tasks and want to have specific programs running (and switch instantly between them). Having a recent app list is pretty much just a subset of task management. Personally, I want to task manage, as even now I have eight only work related applications open (not counting system tray which does contain Steam, nor separate instances of Visual Studio). In normal use I'm much more interested in my most often executed programs than what I have previously used, as (for example) I sometimes need to check stuff from DB, but don't want to have it visible when alt-tabbing.

      (I would count virtual desktops as task management tools as well.)

      When the OS knows as well as I do what I currently want to do, then I'll let it manage my tasks.

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    35. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by LucidBeast · · Score: 1

      You are right on the money. I just bought a iPhone and was surprised how "multitasking" worked on it. I don't think suspend & resume operation on applications should be called multitasking. This is how Epoc worked way back. It's a neat trick that gives the illusion of multitasking and probably 9/10 is how applications in mobile phone should work, but to calling it multitasking is a misnomer.

    36. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like 'Disable background navigation' would be a pretty obvious preference to add to a turn-by-turn app.

    37. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by skyfex · · Score: 1

      The OS could be more intelligent about this if apps were classified according to what kind of application it is. An example: some apps on Mac OS X (Pages, Word, Browsers, etc.) doesn't do anything unless you have a document window open. If I haven't been using one for a while, a "document" application could just as well be closed. (In Windows/Linux it kinda works like this already though).

      You'd have to find out what classes of applications you need, specify desired behaviour and perhaps create an API for them though, which is exactly what Apple has done with iOS. Personally I think it works quite well, for instance audio player applications work exactly as I would expect (works with media keys, doesn't compete for audio with other media apps, quits when I'm not using it anymore).

      In a real desktop OS you'd obviously need to allow traditional management of apps though, but an unexperienced user shouldn't be required to use it.

      Windows, Linux and Mac do this to some degree already I guess (especially for system services.. think xinetd and launchd), but I think it could be done better and more systematically. But then again.. everything could be done better or differently, so I'm not complaining. But it's not unreasonable to discuss how things might be better is it?

    38. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by jordan314 · · Score: 1

      I use SBSettings (jailbroken) to display available free memory in my status bar. For applications optimized for both iOS 3 and 4, pressing home does not free up their memory. The apps have to be manually closed using either apple's taskbar or SBSetting's processes view to free memory back up. This is my major complaint with iOS4, my free memory quickly goes down from ~350 MB to under 20 MB unless I manually close apps, and the phone starts behaving poorly at under 20 MB. I constantly find myself using the SBSettings "Respring" function as a fast way to clear up memory.

    39. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is normal I'm afraid. If you ask most people who own an iOS device (like me) then they're tell you that for any serious usage you are better off with a dedicated unit, whether it's satnav, music or even using the phone - mine requires charging twice a day if i make or receive more than half a dozen calls (this was after just over 6 months of owning it.)

    40. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's normal. Well, maybe not 45 minutes, but it does eat through battery power.

      iOS 4.x supports two types of background navigation. For apps that don't need exact locations, they can use cell tower triangulation. This has very minimal battery impact. For those that need more precise info, they can use the GPS system, but it causes a significant battery drain. Navigation apps tend to suggest you use a car power adaptor.

    41. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by node+3 · · Score: 1

      To quit an app, you must double-tap the home button to display the task bar where you can close apps

      "In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it" - Steve Jobs.

      Unlike what the OP said, it's not a task manager (and I don't mean, "it's a task bar, haha"). It's very clear he meant if you have to manage your tasks by keeping track of memory usage and cpu load, you're doing it wrong. On iOS, you not only don't need to do these things, but you can't do these things. The icons in the double-tap dock that comes up is just your recent apps, running or not.

    42. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      45 mins - are you kidding me...? how ridiculous can you get! is that what they mean when people say - fool me once, shame on you. fool me a dozen times, I must be an Apple customer.

      now i know why you guys complain about the effect of flash on battery life.

    43. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course alternatively you can save your money and buy something that is a bit more functional, shall we say something that is less the digital equivalent of a designer handbag and more of a useful tool in your daily life.

    44. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by drcheap · · Score: 1

      I hope and pray for the day that people finally stop thinking having their RAM full is some bad thing no matter what.

      It's Microsoft's fault...

      Yeah, I know, yet-another-blame-M$-rant. But really...the majority of people have been using PCs running windows for a while now, and a lot of de facto conventions and user behaviors have evolved from how windows (itself, or applications running within) behaves.

      In this case, I'm referring to poor memory management and silly popups about "virtual memory running low" when there isn't even a lot of applications running, or memory usage is sitting at 70 percent. The message means squat to the average person, but they do get the keywords "memory" "low" and might see the "70% used" in taskmanager at the time and start to associate these things.

      "I must keep xx% of memory free or things will start failing." becomes the mentality. And for some computing devices/OSes, that is true.

      And it's not just windows...I have my phone display the free RAM in MB on my status bar all the time. And I've noticed that it does in fact start fumbling when that number gets under the mid 20s or so. But it doesn't start crying at me with useless warning popups at least :)

    45. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      My Android G1 running Google Navigator has the same problem. Navigation keeps _everything_ on constantly -- display, GPS, data connection, etc. (ok, so the audio isn't on constantly). Phone get downright hot. If you want to use a phone to navigate, either don't go anywhere you can't get to in less than an hour, or plug the thing into the cigarette lighter. (Do the dedicated navigation systems (e.g. Garmin) have any better battery life?)

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    46. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by node+3 · · Score: 1

      45 mins - are you kidding me...?

      No, because I never said it was 45 minutes. In fact, if you paid any attention at all, you'd notice:

      1. The OP already used GPS to navigate before the 45 minutes came up
      2. He didn't say it was out of power at that point (probably just in the red, which is at 20%).
      3. He didn't say it was from a full charge.

      Additionally, I wrote "maybe not 45 minutes". Context should have made it clear I meant "it shouldn't be that bad", but I can see how one might not catch that.

      how ridiculous can you get!

      I don't know. You set the pretty high.

    47. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Set the bar pretty high, that is... Fantastic case of me the whole word.

    48. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      No no, I quite agree that the management could be done better or different, your statement about task managing was just a bit too strongly worded for me to agree with it.

      Pinning programs to taskbar is perhaps another task-reducing improvement (and one I find quite useful). I tried to think about what I would want the computer to close for me, but there weren't that many things... Steam might be one, if I were running out of resources, but on desktop that isn't really the case as more can be placed on disc and the resources aren't that sparse anyhow...

      Application groups might have some promise though, such as easier opening of related applications and such... Perhaps automatic task manager could update SVN, update the local db, and preload relevant programs when needed. (Although some of that stuff is pretty much already happening)

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    49. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by LucidBeast · · Score: 1

      Have to try this tomorrow. I have a new iPhone 4 & new Nokia N8. Navigate all day and see how long each lasts. I don't have turn by turn navigation for iPhone, but perhaps there is some GPS based freeware in the app store.

    50. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you prefer the memory to be free? Does it make you feel better knowing it's unused? The OS will automatically terminate processes and clear RAM as needed, so doing it manually doesn't have any technical advantages.

    51. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see, not as easy as it looks is it!

      stick to managing your itunes collection with your plastic toys next time.

    52. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard? They're made of aluminum and glass now.

    53. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Thus proving that Apple's bogeyman was a lie all along.

    54. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "If you're going into the recent apps list (double clicking home) and remove every item, then what've you done is clear a recent app list, not close running applications."

      No, it closes the applications.

      "The whole point of the way iOS multitasking was design was that you shouldn't have to use a task manager."

      No that's wasn't the whole point, but had they succeeded on that aspect there wouldn't be a task manager. There is.

    55. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      In their defense, neither my HTC Touch Pro2 running Windows Mobile, nor my Droid Incredible have fared much better in the battery life department when being used for navigation. When you're broadcasting to satellites several hundred miles away, the odds are that it'll take just a smidge more battery life than transmitting to a tower half a mile away or a headset three feet away.

    56. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 1

      I don't think suspend & resume operation on applications should be called multitasking. This is how Epoc worked way back. It's a neat trick that gives the illusion of multitasking and probably 9/10 is how applications in mobile phone should work, but to calling it multitasking is a misnomer.

      Honestly, that's pretty much how multitasking works on most devices, including desktop operating systems. If there's no active processing going on then the program just sits around in a suspended state.

      Remember, unless you have one cpu core per thread your device will run one thread, suspend it, load another, run the next thread, rinse, repeat. That goes for just about every computer out there. For the most part it's multitasking itself that is the illusion.

    57. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 1

      When you're broadcasting to satellites several hundred miles away, the odds are that it'll take just a smidge more battery life than transmitting to a tower half a mile away or a headset three feet away.

      The GPS function is completely passive. It simply listens for signals from satellites, no signal is sent from a GPS device back up to a satellite.

      It's more likely that the increased power consumption is due to the system continuously calculating the position and updating the display, thus not allowing the processor to go into a low power mode to save battery life. You'd probably see similar battery life if you were playing games, surfing the web, or watching videos the entire time.

    58. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually I have both an ipad and an android device (nexus one) and I cannot really say the android device has more lag although the ipad has superior hardware. Generally the multitasking on Apple and Android is literally very close to each other. I guess apple took a serious lesson how android implemented it post 1.6. Multitasking sucked on Android pre 2.x but it is not like that anymore and apps causing lag are not the norm anymore but it can happen on both, the ipad and the android device under rare circumstances. What the iPad definitely has in advantage is that it uses the gpu way more than android does, but this is a moot argument, pinch and zoom is a little bit more fluid thanks to it, as for the launchers, once you switched away from the standard launcher to launcher pro you have the same smoothness on android as you have on iOS on the UI but with widgets folders and icons instead of just folders and icons only.

    59. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by skyfex · · Score: 1

      "No, it closes the applications."

      Only if they're running. Most of them are not. My point is that it's pointless to clear the list.

      "No that's wasn't the whole point, but had they succeeded on that aspect there wouldn't be a task manager. There is."

      It depends on your definition. If you call it a task manager because you can use it to switch between apps, then sure. If you call it a task manager because you can tell iOS "if this application is open then close it", then sure... But from an average users perspective it shouldn't be considered anything but a recent app list, since that is how it behaves, there's no reason for a user to remove an app from it unless the app has hung somehow (can also be done with the sleep button) or they want to hide that they've used the app.

      I'm aware that there's been some performance issue with iPhone 3G, so maybe it may serve a purpose to clear it there, but I noticed no performance degredation on 3GS.

    60. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      What you described is applications that don't support iOS multitasking, which requires rebuilding against the iOS 4.x SDK. If they don't support multitasking they don't sleep, they're shut down.

    61. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by LucidBeast · · Score: 1

      It's quite different. In your PC your application doesn't have to call a function to stream its state to permanent storage. Operating system can and will swap data from ram to disk, but it's not your job as an application writer to do this.

    62. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Graff · · Score: 1

      In your PC your application doesn't have to call a function to stream its state to permanent storage. Operating system can and will swap data from ram to disk, but it's not your job as an application writer to do this.

      I'm not talking permanent storage here, just how an application will be suspended/resumed while resident in memory.

      Yes, there's more to it since an application may be called on to be removed from active memory and then you have to worry about paging it out to a more permanent storage. However, even in desktop operating systems the application usually has to handle storing its data to permanent storage. The operating system may have some convenience methods designed to make this easier, such as marking pages of a document as dirty and needing to be saved to disk. iOS does have similar methods for storing application data to permanent storage.

    63. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I though this was true as well until I found that a LOT of camera apps hold onto the camera and stay running. Trying a different apps crashes until I go in there and close the other camera apps and suddenly the original app works.

      Apple NEEDS to give me the ability to tell other apps to die when closed on an app per app basis and default to DIE when closed.

      This is not the only time I have discovered this, many times I have found apps running because system memory was full and an app complained about that fact. Closing out apps freed that memory.

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    64. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Steven_Lunn · · Score: 1

      I have an N8 too. Would be interested in your findings. So far, the N8 battery seems pretty good.

    65. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Painted · · Score: 1

      I found the same thing with Skype; not killing the app caused my iPhone to drain it's battery at about 3x the normal rate- it was the first time I had ever run it dry. I assume it was checking for chat and status updates, as I wasn't in a call or anything...

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    66. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Espectr0 · · Score: 2

      The apps listed on the taskbar don't mean that they are on memory, just that they have been recently executed. Sadly, there is no visible way to know if the app is still on memory. iOS will automatically close programs when a new one request more memory than currently is available.

      When hitting the home button twice and choosing a program, if it doesn't resume where you left it, it means that iOS closed it (or that the program doesn't support the multitasting API)

    67. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by skyfex · · Score: 1

      Huh. Never had those problems, but I guess there are still some issues to work out, for sure.

      iOS should close apps when it's low on memory, so if they keep running because they're holding on to the camera or something that sounds like a bug. The only apps that should keep running indefinitely is the currently running media app and maybe an active VoIP app, as far as I understand.

      Have you tried iOS 4.2? Heard it should improve performance on 3G/3GS.. maybe they've worked out some of these things.

    68. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you really are lazy.
      Just hovering over the link reveals the URL to be: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/

      From that alone I gathered that someone reported that Jobs said, "If you see a stylus or a task manager, they blew it."
      After seeing that I didn't even click the link as I immediately knew what the GP was refering to.

    69. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by LucidBeast · · Score: 1

      I had the map on on both and tried to keep the display on for about one hour. Battery indicator stayed full for both the whole time. Have to do a longer trek.

    70. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by Steven_Lunn · · Score: 1

      Not too bad. I would expect several hours from both. Just curious which would go first! Thanks for replying.

    71. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      Or it could mean that you don't know how the "multitasking" API works. In short, most applications are suspended when in the background. Only certain pre-determined classes of applications are allowed to continue operating in the background, and when their background functionality is not in use (e.g. Pandora stops playing music) the app is suspended like any other. As such, most apps that may technically still be running are only using RAM but no other system resources.

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    72. Re:Been running a dev build for a few weeks now by jordan314 · · Score: 1

      As I said, when the phone gets below 20 MB or 30 MB it stops behaving normally. The bugs I've experienced include Safari freezing, text messages not loading, emails not displaying, and general unresponsiveness. I wish the OS would automatically clear more RAM, because it behaves fine again when I manually terminate some processes.

  5. Other minor changes... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Multitasking is a minor change? AirPlay and AirPrint are so world shaking that took all the space of the announcement?

    1. Re:Other minor changes... by malakai · · Score: 3, Informative

      And AirPlay is basically UPNP Media. My GF's droid auto-detected my World Book Storage and Xbox Media Center and made available all our videos/pictures/music on her droidx. This stuff is becoming child's play. I can play HD movies on her phone through my old xbox to the TV. And control it from her phone.

      I wish Apple hadn't made a whole new standard, but I guess that's their deal.

    2. Re:Other minor changes... by poetmatt · · Score: 0, Troll

      apple acknowledging they fucked up again by putting in a status bar when they said that they wouldn't, is a major change.

    3. Re:Other minor changes... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Childs play huh.... Please do an instant rewind with a UPnP media box. it SUCKS.

      SMB share is the only way for it to work smoothly. WTF cant they simply do it that way?

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    4. Re:Other minor changes... by timster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sigh, that isn't even close to what happened. Steve said something about how he didn't like task managers; then Apple releases iOS 4 which includes a task switcher thing. Haters gotta hate I guess, but pointing to the task switcher and screaming "haha you admitted you blew it" is really stupid. (For one thing the iOS multitasking implementation had already been written at the time of the quote, but I digress.)

      Look guys, the task switcher isn't a task manager; it just lists recently used apps. Important point: it lists recently used apps *whether they are even running or not*. It's almost all interface. The only manager-ish thing it does is that when you remove items from the list, they are killed if they were even actually running. This is not very useful for improving battery life, since they aren't likely to be using any battery unless you see the "playing music" icon or "using GPS" icon (but go ahead and clear things out if you like voodoo). Mostly the app-killing feature is useful to reset apps that have gotten themselves suspended into a bad state.

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    5. Re:Other minor changes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And AirPlay is basically UPNP Media. My GF's droid auto-detected my World Book Storage and Xbox Media Center and made available all our videos/pictures/music on her droidx. This stuff is becoming child's play. I can play HD movies on her phone through my old xbox to the TV. And control it from her phone.

      I wish Apple hadn't made a whole new standard, but I guess that's their deal.

      Depends. Have you ever tried to implement UPNP (or DLNA)? From someone who has:

              http://gxben.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/why-do-i-hate-dlna-protocol-so-much/

      I'd be curious to know if AirPlay is less or more convoluted that the options that came before it. Also, anyone know how AirPlay is different than AirTunes?

    6. Re:Other minor changes... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      yes upnp media but somewhat less flakey, the problem upnp has mostly is that the servers are somewhat flakey, and especially on the mac there is a lack of decent upnp clients.

    7. Re:Other minor changes... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Airplay is basically airtunes with video support, so no big difference there. And it still sucks because it just allows you to push the media from itunes 2 itunes or from ios to a speaker or itunes, but not onto your ios device, if you want video streamed onto the ios device you have to use a different option, but why then use it at all.

    8. Re:Other minor changes... by poetmatt · · Score: 0, Troll

      I don't care personally, I don't own apple devices or buy apple products.

      I'm just saying that this whole "we don't like task managers" and just implemented the framework for one, is quite a bit disingenuous.

    9. Re:Other minor changes... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 3, Funny

      You "don't care" enough to post multiple messages in threads pertaining to devices you don't own.

      Got it.

    10. Re:Other minor changes... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I don't care personally, I don't own apple devices or buy apple products.

      I'm just saying that this whole "we don't like task managers" and just implemented the framework for one, is quite a bit disingenuous.

      Disingenuous is saying you don't care, but then railing about it. Another form of disingenuousness is claiming that the iOS multitasking UI is a task manager. Specifically, it lacks any form of CPU load and memory usage info which is what the whole context was referring to.

      Steve's statement was that the user shouldn't have to manage tasks, and iOS's multitasking does not violate that idea.

    11. Re:Other minor changes... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      A large part of the problem with flakiness is that the libraries that Intel released as an open source reference implementation are full of race conditions. Most open source implementations seem to be based on these libraries.

  6. Does not require extra purchase by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    And since AirPlay requires the purchase of an additional device

    It doesn't, because you can AirPlay to any Mac.

    It makes more sense to use AirPlay with an AppleTV, but people who use mac minis as media PC's can make use of AirPlay as well (although in that case I'd think most people would be putting video on the mini to start with so I'm not sure how widely used it will be).

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    1. Re:Does not require extra purchase by BBrown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't, because you can AirPlay to any Mac.

      A Mac is an additional device. :-)

    2. Re:Does not require extra purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Hardly anyone who doesn't already own an Apple device has bought or considered buying the ipad.

    3. Re:Does not require extra purchase by DdJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It doesn't, because you can AirPlay to any Mac.

      How?

      This is the first anyone has mentioned this. Also, none of the people on the iOS developer forums seem to know how.

      Are you sure you're not confusing AirPlay and AirPrint?

    4. Re:Does not require extra purchase by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

      That's funny... My boss did. So did two other people that I work with, and two other friends.

    5. Re:Does not require extra purchase by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      And since AirPlay requires the purchase of an additional device

      It doesn't, because you can AirPlay to any Mac.

      Really? (Apple does not support it. You can do it with AirFoil, which is not Apple-supported, could break in the future, has been around for a while, is not related to iOS 4.2, and requires the purchase of the software.)

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    6. Re:Does not require extra purchase by Denis+Lemire · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ability to print to any Mac via AirPrint was supposed to show up in 10.6.5 but for unknown reasons this feature was pulled. Though there are 3rd party apps like Printopia and Fingerprint that will enable add the missing functionality. You can also download the missing files from earlier 10.6.5 seeds to re-enable AirPrinting.

    7. Re:Does not require extra purchase by MemoryDragon · · Score: 0

      he probably meant to any ios device and yes he is right in this regard, this is absolutely idiotic.

    8. Re:Does not require extra purchase by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I could have sworn I saw ability to stream to iTunes from any iOS device as part of the announcement... I will test later.

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    9. Re:Does not require extra purchase by drachenstern · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm considering buying the iPad, have been. I want two for my house. I'll likely purchase an iPad before I purchase any other Apple computing device aside from the two iPhones my wife and I carry.

      You were saying?

      Oh that's right, YOU'RE A TROLL! Begone forthwith

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    10. Re:Does not require extra purchase by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      I would maybe sort of consider having iPhone as owning an Apple device.

      But you're not wrong about gp. (Although I wouldn't mind some stats anyway :) )

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    11. Re:Does not require extra purchase by DdJ · · Score: 1

      Sure. But the feature I'm responding to a comment on is AirPlay, not AirPrint. You can send to an AirPlay device from a Macintosh (or Windows PC), but not to a computer.

      (Which is no shock. I'm sure content providers would see streaming to a general purpose computer as a way to enable content piracy. So we can stream to the AppleTV, which only has HDCP-enabled HDMI as a video output option, but not to computers, which can often do all sorts of things with video beyond simply displaying it.)

    12. Re:Does not require extra purchase by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing, but I can only stream to my airport express/appleTV. Based on my understanding of the announcement, I was actually hoping to stream from my Mac to my iPhone, ala Plex. No such luck.

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    13. Re:Does not require extra purchase by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

      I'm also considering iPad... can someone tell me, does it work for those _really_ heavy flow days?

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    14. Re:Does not require extra purchase by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Invalidating the marketing claim that the iPad would be the computer for the rest of us, the device that solves the usability problems that plague desktops, the solution to the problems that the Mac claimed to solve decades ago but apparently failed to.

    15. Re:Does not require extra purchase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you where not born with your very own Mac?

      wow! you got gypped!

  7. How bout they just fix A2DP by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    I have a nice pair of Sennheiser headphones that worked with my Iphone when I first got it but now it refuses to pair with them. Apple claims it supports A2DP natively but I'll believe it when I see it.

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    1. Re:How bout they just fix A2DP by getNewNickName · · Score: 1

      How is the lag on the bluetooth Senns? I've read that there are audio lags when watching video with bluetooth headphones.

    2. Re:How bout they just fix A2DP by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen any lag but then I've only been able to use them for a short time before the Iphone refused to pair with them. I've used them on my pc and they work well.

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  8. Sure, but do not need to... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not totally obvious how to quit apps, but there's generally no need - because any app you quit is really more suspended than backgrounded, so it's using no system resources just sitting there (unless it's set to do some background task like playing music, and then you want it doing something of course).

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    1. Re:Sure, but do not need to... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It's not totally obvious how to quit apps

      And the task manager is an utterly pointless POS.

    2. Re:Sure, but do not need to... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      For a long time Skype was killing my iPod battery by being constantly checking on the WiFi to see who was online, and being ready to take chats/calls when minimised. Luckily now they have the timer that cuts it off after a while, but being able to manually kill the app is also useful.

    3. Re:Sure, but do not need to... by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Obviously you don't use the Skype app! Kills the battery for some reason...

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  9. sounds like they're keeping up with UPnP by Hammor · · Score: 1

    I wrote an Android app that allows me to tell a UPnP MediaRenderer (like a WD TV Live +, although that particular unit has many shortcomings) to play a movie file that lives on my phone. This sort of functionality is already available in a couple of off-the-shelf androids and will probably be a standard feature by the end of 2011.

    I'm told the big advantage of the Apple version of UPnP is authentication, which is not mentioned in the UPnP specs I have read.

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    1. Re:sounds like they're keeping up with UPnP by DdJ · · Score: 1

      It's not the same thing -- with AirPlay, you're streaming video content decoded on the iOS device to the AirPlay "target". So you can do it with Netflix, YouTube, not just things where you have the media files stored locally. I've even used it to send the audio from iOS games to external speakers (by sending to an AirPort Express, which has no video, so the test was audio-only). It's more like a network-connected external monitor+speakers than that.

    2. Re:sounds like they're keeping up with UPnP by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Many UPnP servers will proxy remote content. I'm fairly sure that decoding is being done on the AppleTV, WiFi just does not have enough bandwidth for uncompressed video (802.11g will even struggle with compressed HD content).

    3. Re:sounds like they're keeping up with UPnP by DdJ · · Score: 1

      For audio, you're certainly not correct -- run any video game with AirPlay turned on, and the sound of the game will come through the device you're streaming to, even the blips and bloops in response to your actions.

      For video, I don't know for certain exactly what's going on yet. I don't know if it only works properly on a multi-band 802.11n network, or if the device transcodes to something other than uncompressed that the AppleTV decodes, or if it does the proxying thing, or what. I may run a network sniffer to try and suss it out this holiday weekend.

    4. Re:sounds like they're keeping up with UPnP by jrumney · · Score: 1

      For audio, you're certainly not correct -- run any video game with AirPlay turned on, and the sound of the game will come through the device you're streaming to, even the blips and bloops in response to your actions.

      Audio uses raop, basically rtsp with drm to lock out non-Apple approved devices. But this won't work for video, all the evidence so far points to them using a variation of daap for video.

  10. what about us poor iPhone 3G users... by curious.corn · · Score: 1

    ... have they somewhat improved the miserable performance of these devices on iOS 4.x? I hate being continuously reminded that I'm not complying to the upgrade treadmill by using a not-yet-2-years-old-paid-500EUR-for-the-privilege phone... :/

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    1. Re:what about us poor iPhone 3G users... by swfranklin · · Score: 1
      I had a 3G on iOS 4.0.1 before getting my iPhone 4, and the performance of the 3G on iOS4 is abyssmal. Absolutely blown away by the iPhone 4.

      The 3G is essentially the same processor platform as the original iPhone and IMHO would have been better off if Apple capped the 3G at iOS3, as they did the original iPhone.

    2. Re:what about us poor iPhone 3G users... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      We're replacing my wife's 3G at Christmas, it just can't keep up anymore. My 3Gs runs 4.x flawlessly though. Which kind of make me sad, I'd like an excuse to upgrade to the prettier screen :-)

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    3. Re:what about us poor iPhone 3G users... by frinkster · · Score: 1

      ... have they somewhat improved the miserable performance of these devices on iOS 4.x? I hate being continuously reminded that I'm not complying to the upgrade treadmill by using a not-yet-2-years-old-paid-500EUR-for-the-privilege phone... :/

      You are unfortunately in the minority. Most 3G users should have already upgraded to the iPhone 4.

      At least in the USA, the process is pretty ridiculous:
      1) Upgrade to the iPhone 4 for $200 while keeping your grandfathered-in unlimited data plan
      2) Wipe and then jailbreak your iPhone 3G
      3) Sell your iPhone 3G on eBay or Craigslist for $250
      4) Profit.

      Everyone I know that had a 3G used this method for upgrading - at least in my area Verizon is no better than AT&T so there is no reason to wait for them to sell the iPhone.

    4. Re:what about us poor iPhone 3G users... by ZarfMouse · · Score: 1

      I've upgraded my 3G to 4.2 from 4.1.1 and things are a bit better than they were before the upgrade but still not as good as before 4.x.

      I originally opted for dealing with iPhones quirk (like no multitasking and the walled garden for apps) because I believed the party line that these restrictions helped keep the phone snappy, stable, usable. And the proof was right there: the phone was snappy, stable, and usable. It was a tactile joy to use iPhone 3.x.

      Now my phone is so slow that when I push a button on screen it might be 5 seconds before the button changes color to indicate that I've pushed it, and another 5 seconds before the effect actually occurs. Apps crash all the time now. Hard resetting doesn't help. Turning off the search features doesn't help.

      Apple's "upgrade" turned my perfectly useful phone, a phone that was a joy to use, into a nightmare of instability and UI freezes.

      Upgrading to 4.2 has shown some improvement but not enough to stop me from jumping ship to the Droid X. I'm sure as hell not rewarding Apple by buying an iPhone 4.

  11. Other minor updates??? by swfranklin · · Score: 2, Informative

    TFA is all about AirPlay, which to me is a niche feature. Maybe not minor, but I doubt most iPhone/iPad owners will ever use it. There are a lot of nice updates, as shown on Apple's site:

    http://www.apple.com/ios/

    AirPrint, Find My iPhone/Pad/Pod, on-demand remote wipe, respond to calendar invitations, SMS message tones, on-device TV show rental... Lots of features that I suspect will get more use than AirPlay.

  12. PS3 Media Server? by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    Would be nice if Airplay would stream through something else. That handy Remote app from Apple is great but limits you to your iTunes library on your computer. I'd rather see it work with another iPhone.

    1. Re:PS3 Media Server? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Then do yourself a favor and move your media to a upnp server, airplay is an apple only upnp clone.

    2. Re:PS3 Media Server? by roju · · Score: 1

      Then do yourself a favor and move your media to a upnp server, airplay is an apple only upnp clone.

      AirTunes was first available in June 2004 with the Airport Express. The first UPNP DLNA guidelines were also released in June 2004. Which one is the clone?

    3. Re:PS3 Media Server? by ZerothAngel · · Score: 1

      In addition to what roju mentioned, Apple's analogue of uPnP is probably more like DAAP. AirTunes/AirPlay strikes me more as "network attached speakers/display."

    4. Re:PS3 Media Server? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      AirPlay is DAAP. It might appear to the user as remote speakers and display, but it is just sending media files over DAAP under the hood.

  13. To be fair, this is 4.2.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4.2GM was still buggy and they did a spot release last week

  14. MIDI by NiceGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that 4.2 gives the iPhone/iPad native MIDI support. As a musician, this is huge.

    1. Re:MIDI by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      QUICK! Someone fire up canyon.mid!

    2. Re:MIDI by soupforare · · Score: 1

      CoreMIDI is exciting, I'm hoping that someone releases an actual hardware interface that supports it soon. As much as I've had like with wifi solutions at home, I'd rather have a set of cables. I know there's the Line6 adapter but it's their own thing.

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    3. Re:MIDI by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised no one has mentioned that 4.2 gives the iPhone/iPad native MIDI support. As a musician, this is huge.

      Really? My only exposure to MIDI has been really annoying sound-tracks on badly designed web pages that blare a badly representation of an instrument at deafening volumes.

      I was wondering if anybody actually used it for anything that didn't sound like a cheap Casio keyboard (ie. Complete Crap).

      What does this do for me as a user? Will it make games better?

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    4. Re:MIDI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I've been waiting for that to come around and feared it never would.

      Thanks for the mention, you made my day!

      (going to go test that now)

    5. Re:MIDI by iksbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      MIDI: Musical Instrument Digital Interface
      Rather than transmit music as an audio stream, MIDI sends parameters describing how an instrument is being played - the note, intensity, expression variables and such. The MIDI music you heard on old websites sounded crappy thanks to how that information was used to create an audio stream to feed to your speakers. That is, the software instruments on your computer sucked. This is not a fault in MIDI's design, but in the specific software implementation on your computer. Or, it's quite possible the music just sucked. :)

    6. Re:MIDI by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      As a user who isn't likely to use an iPad/iPhone to control a MIDI device, it's not likely to do much for you. For a musician on the other hand....

    7. Re:MIDI by node+3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm surprised no one has mentioned that 4.2 gives the iPhone/iPad native MIDI support. As a musician, this is huge.

      Really? My only exposure to MIDI has been really annoying sound-tracks on badly designed web pages that blare a badly representation of an instrument at deafening volumes.

      That's not true. What it is is your only exposure that you're aware of. You've heard a lot of MIDI-involved music, just no one ever told you that's what it was. Turn on your radio.

      I was wondering if anybody actually used it for anything that didn't sound like a cheap Casio keyboard (ie. Complete Crap).

      MIDI doesn't mean the sounds, it means the protocol for interfacing electronic musical equipment. Turn on your radio, you will find no shortage of non-"Complete Crap" MIDI music.

      What does this do for me as a user? Will it make games better?

      No, it won't make games better, and for you specifically, it will probably have no real impact. If you were a musician, however, this is *HUGE*. Imagine being able to control your entire musical setup from an iPad or iPhone. Or go the other way and record from your keyboard directly to an iOS device.

    8. Re:MIDI by dfghjk · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's grim what it takes to be called a musician these days.

      I would say that only pretend musicians will consider native MIDI support on their iPhones to be "huge".

    9. Re:MIDI by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      If you make music you are a musician by definition. It may not be the type of music you like, but considering how subjective musical taste is, that's your problem, not mine.
      You're sounding a little luddite there.

    10. Re:MIDI by strawberryutopia · · Score: 1

      I was unaware of this. This is, indeed, huge! ^_^

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  15. Multitasking _for_the_iPad_ by lullabud · · Score: 2, Informative

    What the GP means is multitasking for the iPad, which has so far been absent, thus this is a huge release for iPad owners while only a minor release for iPhone owners.

    1. Re:Multitasking _for_the_iPad_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes the previous poster said iphone but the answer is the same. If your ipad is jail broken then you have had multitasking.

  16. Totally useless by ACAx1985 · · Score: 0

    iOS 42. is totally useless for iPhone users until it gets jailbroken. Stay away like the plague until it's jailbroken and stick with 4.1

    1. Re:Totally useless by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what benefits are there to jailbreaking my iPhone 4? I played around a bit with it on my old 3G but most of the features I added are now supported natively.

    2. Re:Totally useless by Combatso · · Score: 1

      it allows you to post how superior you are to other non jailbroken users on slashdot

    3. Re:Totally useless by nblender · · Score: 1

      wififofum - lets you scan for access points and generally finds more access points than the Apple wifi chooser lets you see (due to them falling below some RSSI threshold)... So sometimes the native wifi chooser will display 2 or 3 access points but wififofum will see a lot more and there's a greater chance that I can find and connect to an open one.

      wifipass - dumps out the list of wifi passwords in your device. Handy for transferring them to a buddy or to your next phone.

      synergyclient - So you can use your desktop mouse on your IOS device... Ok, this isn't a must-have feature but is pretty cool.

      openssh client and server. So you can ssh into your device

      inet-utils, unix-utils - so you can have 'top' and 'netstat' and 'ping' and whatever...

      minicom - are you at the colo with a dead laptop? Pull out your iphone serial dongle.

      That's all I can think of right now. I haven't explored extensively... But my phone is now more like a handheld computer than I need it to be.

    4. Re:Totally useless by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      The biggest benefit, I guess by now are flash (which is still flakey as hell) and the various emulators as well as native filesystem access.

    5. Re:Totally useless by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I jailbroke mine for MyFi tethering. Turns your iPhone into a wifi hotspot, sharing it's 3g connection to other devices, like my MBP and iPad. No additional payments to AT&T required.

      I also just got IntelliScreen which lets you add tons of functionality to your lock screen. Now when I click on my phone I instantly see my upcoming calendar events, waiting mail messages including a quick preview, so I can read email messages without having to even unlock the phone. I find this very helpful since I use Google Apps google sync (MS Exchange emulation) for my email. So my phone will beep when I get an email push...but on the default lock screen you don't get an indicator you have messages waiting, so if you didn't notice the beep you don't know you have an email until you unlock. Now the email shows up directly on the lock screen.

      I'm looking for more apps if anyone has recommendations.

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    6. Re:Totally useless by node+3 · · Score: 1

      iOS 42. is totally useless for iPhone users until it gets jailbroken. Stay away like the plague until it's jailbroken and stick with 4.1

      Amazing, it's "totally useless" until jailbroken? That's a pretty bold statement. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's completely wrong.

    7. Re:Totally useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wifi tethering for a one-time fee. Apple and ATT don't want me to tether my iPad to my iPhone via 3G sharing. I do - and I did - nice huh? And I have an unlimited dataplan and only use it to do web/email (not video).

  17. I want AirPlay Reverse by stokessd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems really pretty dumb to stream media (except when on travel or sharing a few recent photos) from the smallest device you own in terms of storage space, and battery life. I want to be able to stream from my Mac (PC whatever) TO the iOS devices. I'm perfectly fine with limiting the formats so I have to transcode on the sender. That would make the appleTV a perfect media center thin client. It would also give me all sorts of music when mowing the grass for instance with my phone. I could watch a movie in bed that I just downloaded from the net without adding media that might be a one-time viewing into my iTunes library and syncing.

    Apple already does this with the airport express and DAAP (and friends: DMAP, DPAP), this should not be a big leap to treat my iPhone as an airport express of sorts.

    Sheldon

    1. Re:I want AirPlay Reverse by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      There are various solutions to achieve that, none by apple which does not like to have its devices as clients as it seems. Twonky media server and a upnp client does it so do various streaming server and client solutions which are readily available.

    2. Re:I want AirPlay Reverse by HumanEmulator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seems really pretty dumb to stream media (except when on travel or sharing a few recent photos) from the smallest device you own in terms of storage space, and battery life.

      That "except when on travel or sharing a few recent photos" is huge. These are mobile devices after all! Visit your parents, hit a button on your phone and you can pop a video on their TV. Go to a party with a cool song no one's heard, you can play it to the hosts speakers with no cables. AirPlay solves the problem of everyone huddling around the tiniest screen in the room. Now you can amazingly easily play and share your stuff with other people's equipment. It's a shame it's Apple device centric.

    3. Re:I want AirPlay Reverse by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. I expect that Android competitors to the iPad will be able to do that over the network. And yes, this will be a killer feature, because by now, we all have lots of great media in our home network, and wifi bandwidth is plenty good enough to stream anything but 1080p (which would be useless for the iPad anyway). If I see this kind of functionality in a slate device, as well as the power to remote desktop or VNC to my living room computer, I will really be tempted to buy it.

    4. Re:I want AirPlay Reverse by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      I use an iPhone / iPad app called Media Link Player Lite. It's OK; it crashes sometimes and doesn't play all media. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/media-link-player-lite/id313455652?mt=8

      I also tried an app called SimpleDaap but the latest version doesn't work for me at all.

      Neither of these programs appears to be able to play a list of songs (I don't use them that way).

      Additional info: On the back end I use a ReadyNAS with the Firefly extension (free download). Although this $400 / 2TB NAS device technically does what it claims, it has the slowest RISC processor I've ever seen; my laptop can easily saturate it and cause it not to respond to requests from the iPad. I should've bought the next product up ($1000).

    5. Re:I want AirPlay Reverse by Xyde · · Score: 1
  18. Find iphone by cstream_chris · · Score: 2, Informative

    For me the best new feature will be Find My iPhone - a service that used to required the $99 mobile me subscription, but is now simply included free. Works for Iphone 4.0 w/ iOS 4.2 Allows you to locate, show a message, play a sound, or remotely lock/wipe device.

    1. Re:Find iphone by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 1

      For me the best new feature will be Find My iPhone

      You clearly haven't found the Choo Choo text tone yet...

  19. Notes with fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No no no. This is the biggest new feature:

    >> Notes with fonts -- Customize your notes using different fonts — Marker Felt, Helvetica, and Chalkboard.

    Goodbye, ugly Notes font of the past.

  20. Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by PerfectionLost · · Score: 3, Funny

    Really-- I think they have a sense of humor like those IBM guys...

    One of my favorite clauses in the Apple iTunes Terms and Conditions:

    http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html#SERVICE

    You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.

    I know Apple products are great and all, but they do have their limits of use.

    1. Re:Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Informative

      meh, that silly "weapons" clause has been floating around EULA's forever in one form or another.

      From Windows 2000 Professional for example:

      http://proprietary.clendons.co.nz/licenses/eula/windows2000professional-eula.htm ...You specifically agree not to export or re-export the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (or portions thereof) [...] (ii) to any person or entity who you know or have reason to know will utilize the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (or portions thereof) in the design, development or production of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons;...

      Its appearance in iTunes is likely just some copy-pasta.

    2. Re:Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Export compliance is a serious business, and very expensive if you start to selectively manage what you export. Better just to put in a blanket statement like that and not have to worry (probably).

    3. Re:Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by camperslo · · Score: 1

      I know Apple products are great and all, but they do have their limits of use.

      Perhaps some have forgotten, but Macs were considered weapons!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzxz3k2zQJI

      "As for Pentium PCs, well... they're harmless"

    4. Re:Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by drcheap · · Score: 1

      "As for Pentium PCs, well... they're harmless"

      That is until you use one with an FDIV bug to control a nuclear, chemical or biological weapon.

    5. Re:Really-- I think they have a sense of humor... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Posting to cancel accidental mod.

  21. Itunes, reboot required by shuperkiwi · · Score: 1

    Installation of itunes requires a reboot of the system. I wonder why this is needed. Anyone?

    1. Re:Itunes, reboot required by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Probably USB related. Just a guess though, I have no idea - I thought it was a little odd too.

    2. Re:Itunes, reboot required by Smurf · · Score: 1

      Installation of itunes requires a reboot of the system. I wonder why this is needed. Anyone?

      Very strange. I just updated iTunes also, but in my case it did not ask me to reboot. Perhaps we are using different OSes or versions? (Mine is Snow Leopard 10.6.4, I was planning on updating to 10.6.5 later tonight because that one does require a reboot).

  22. PDFs and jpeg 2000 images by Bigbutt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unfortunately Apple still is behind the curve on making PDFs readable. Many new PDFs use jpeg 2000 for images which leave portions of my PDFs blank. It's the same on the iPhone. I can read them fine on my PowerBook G4 and MacBook Pro and even my Windows 7 box, but not on the iPad.

    [John]

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  23. Wireless streaming? Nothing new here. by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Did Apple really need it's own version of industry standard DLNA?

    "There are nearly 8,000 products on the market that are DLNA Certified [10]. This includes TVs, DVD and Blu-ray players, games consoles, digital media players, photo frames, cameras, NAS storage, PCs, mobile handsets, and more" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA

    Android devices are already supporting this, you can bet the coming onslaught of Chrome tablets will support it too.

    Apples wireless sharing offering is looking a bit silly.. why not just go with the industry standard?

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  24. Minor like "Quicklook" in OSX 10.5 by rsborg · · Score: 1

    It was a seemingly minor thing when released, but was one of the biggest usability increases in OS browsing since the file browser.

    Every single person I show this to (who hasn't already used it) is impressed by the capabilities... and it was a minor addition to 10.5.

    I think AirPlay will be the same. Sure you have UPnP and DNLA, but Apple has solved some of the biggest issues with those file-sharing implementations that make it work different and better (ie, seamless cutover from one device to another, support for streaming, etc)... like cut and paste in iOS 3.

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  25. do as I did... downgrade to 3.1.2! by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 1

    Downgrade your 3G back to 3.1.2

    There is a lot of material online to guide you through the process.

  26. Free tethering, lock-screen widgets by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Are the two that I'd be interested in... but neither are really important to me. Nice to have the option, though.

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    1. Re:Free tethering, lock-screen widgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free tethering?

      I have free tethering - that's a service provider thing. What I need is the ability to share the 3G connection over Wifi. Or at least allow the iPad to access the web via bluetooth.

      I don't have an iPad, but that feature would probably persuade me to buy.

  27. Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by Aphrika · · Score: 1

    While I like some of the changes, the change of the screen rotate lock button to a mute button is just plain dumb and a change I can't forgive.

    I used to use this on a daily basis and it was especially useful for reading in bed or lying down. To mute the device, I'd simply hold down the volume rocker switch. Dead easy.

    Now, screen rotate lock is something like; double tap home, swipe to the left, tap the lock icon, tap home again.

    Now, a lot of people are saying that this is to do with bringing FaceTime to the iPad. Well, that doesn't make sense. In an iPhone audio call, the mute button is located on the screen. On a video call via FaceTime, I'd expect to see it in the same place, especially with the iPad's increased screen real estate over the iPhone. And it goes without mentioning that the current iPad model doesn't have a camera, so the whole argument is moot (mute?).

    Apple made a mistake here IMO. There were other ways of muting if necessary beforehand, and they've just gone and added a third way of doing it, while burying one of the useful features down in a frustrating and unintuitive fashion. And all for no good reason, just an exercise in "it's our device, not yours". It will probably move me in the direction of Kindle for reading to be honest, and the iPad will go.

    Unless there's some point I'm missing?

    1. Re:Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless there's some point I'm missing?

      You are missing the point that some people take their iPads with them to work, to meetings and other places. Other people keep their iPad next to their bed.

      Now consider how difficult it is to "mute" a device with an audible alert going off.

      First you, you have to press the home button to wake the screen, then swipe right to unlock the screen, which might trigger an unlock sound and then press the volume rocker.

      If you are in a meeting, the last thing you want to do is pull out the iPad, enable the screen, swipe to open which might trigger another sound.

      If you are in bed and you try to silence your iPad, you will assault your pupils and anyone sleeping beside you with a blinding light of the screen turning on and then possibly trigger an unlock sound before you can press the rocker.

      With a mute switch, you can just flick the switch without turning on the screen and you can do it even if the iPad is in a messenger bag.

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    2. Re:Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by jolyonr · · Score: 1

      You should read the threads about this on the mac forums. Full of the most amazing mac fanboy defence of the change.

      For me, it's very simple. When I bought the device it had a screen rotate lock button. If I upgrade to 4.2 then this is taken away.

      I certainly don't mind it being made an option, but for Asshat Jobs to decide that he knows better than me, and that I would prefer a mute button to the rotate lock button that I use every day, and NOT TO GIVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOUR is typical of his arrogant insulting attitude to his customers.

      I didn't NEED to jailbreak the iPad before. But now there's no way I can upgrade to 4.2 until someone re-enables this function as a jailbreak app.

      What a completely frustrating experience.

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    3. Re:Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by Aphrika · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good, but I found out last night that this mute switch doesn't actually mute the iPod when it's playing, which seems dumb. So what the hell does it mute?

      And in any case, on the iPad, why can't I just hold the volume down rocker down to mute it?

    4. Re:Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      That's all well and good, but I found out last night that this mute switch doesn't actually mute the iPod when it's playing, which seems dumb. So what the hell does it mute?

      And in any case, on the iPad, why can't I just hold the volume down rocker down to mute it?

      Notification sounds, new email received, calendar event alerts and in-game sounds/music.

      If you are listening to music, it is assumed that you want to hear it as you would not have turned it on in the first place. You can use the volume rocker if you are listening to music or hit the pause button on the music controls.

      Pause is what you would use to stop your iPod or streaming app music. That is how it it works on the iPod Touch and iPhone.

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    5. Re:Lost the screen rotation lock button. Fail. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      It was supposed to be a mute button from the beginning but iOS 4 of the iPad was not ready for launch when the iPad came out so they had to release 3.2 has a temporary patch to 3.1 to get the device out on time. Had they had 4.x ready for the iPad, it would have remained as a mute switch as the rotate lock would have been on the multitasking bar.

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  28. Inquiring minds want to know by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Can it be unlocked for those of us in the US who don't want to use AT&T as a carrier? (I just made the mistake of upgrading my wife's unlocked 3G to 4.1.)

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  29. And if your printer hangs of a Linux box... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    (Stereotypical click-n-drool Mac users look away now)

    Now, it just so happens that my printer is connected to my old PPC Mac Mini running Debian because (a) that's my "always on" system and (b) the Mac OS USB driver for my cheapo Samsung laser is b0rked.

    I stumbled upon this page and, Lo!, now I can haz airprint from my iPad without even having to switch on my main Mac. This looks as if it should work from your typical hackable NAS boxen, provided it can run CUPS and AVAHI...

    I love Mac OS on the desktop, but, seriously, on the server side, Linux is cookin' with gas.

    If, however, you want something that Just Works on your Mac, though, Printopia is worth a look.

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    1. Re:And if your printer hangs of a Linux box... by jrumney · · Score: 1

      You do know who the main developer for CUPS is, don't you? The same configuration should work on OS X.

    2. Re:And if your printer hangs of a Linux box... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      You do know who the main developer for CUPS is, don't you? The same configuration should work on OS X.

      Yup, I know OS X uses CUPS under the hood, but the trick as described involves configuring AVAHI (the FOSS implementation of the protocol used by Apple's Bonjour) not CUPS. If you can figure out how to add a service to Bonjour in a similar way then it sounds as if it should work on OS X. I guess this is what Printopia and Fingerprint do.

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  30. WHOA by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Blast from the past!!!

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  31. Custom SMS ringtones? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    ...*faints*...*wakes up, thinking it's ten (more, really) years ago*

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  32. I was wrong, only AppleTV by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Like I siad, I could have sword I read earlier it would work though iTunes - the original statement is totally correct, most people would need an extra device (AppleTV) to use that feature.

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    1. Re:I was wrong, only AppleTV by DdJ · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing one of two things happened -- you mixed up AirPlay with AirPrint, or you saw that it works streaming from iTunes (which it does) and misinterpreted that as streaming to iTunes (which wasn't in any announcements).

  33. Have they fixed alarms? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

    My iPod still is an hour off when doing alarms and calendar reminders. I've yet to find some way to fix this, hoping that it would be repaired in a patch.

  34. iPhone1: security risks by Rastignac · · Score: 1

    The old first iPhone (Edge) is still at iOS313. With a lot of bugs, with a lot of security holes. Apple should really give an iOS314 with fixes ! At least four millions of these iDevices are still running.

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