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Does the End of KOffice Mean the End of KDE?
jfruhlinger writes "Venerable Linux office suite KOffice has been reborn as "Calligra," a name meant to evoke calligraphy but perhaps a bit too close to the neme of a deranged Roman emperor. Perhaps more importantly, Calligra seems to be cooperating with the future MeeGo mobile Linux distro. Could this be the beginning of the end of the KDE desktop, at least under its current branding?"
not just the end of KDE - but the end of all life on earth!
What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
There is clearly a typo in the summary, this is a KDE project so it would have to be Kalligra.
Indeed, what did happen to them? If they are in the process of rebranding it would be nice if someone wrote an article about it so that we would know.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
What happened to that annoying K in all names of the K Desktop Environment?
They went to the same place all the intuitive configuration options went in GNOME.
That's right. I went there.
Just because one of the many apps built with KDE has been re-branded doesn't mean everything else will be. Re-branding an app can help them re-market and re-invet the image for KOffice and loosen the implied restriction of running only under KDE. Changing the name of KDE doesn't benefit them seeing as how Desktop environments aren't really marketed to end-users, and even in the Linux world, most either don't care or already have a preference.
Let's tag this story "troll" and move on quickly.
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Everyone complained they were annoying so know you've got Plasma, Strigi, Gwenview, Dolphin, Marble, Calligra, etc.
I also didn't understand why everyone complained when KDE did it, but not Gnome?
And it never really bothered me. A brand new user knew the difference between GCalc and KCalc. But they may be confused by Abacus.
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Yes. Totally. Because the only reason people use KDE is so they can get KOffice.
The real hint is this:
Currently all applications except Calligra Words will be maintained by their respective KOffice developers.
It's more than a renaming, they split. However, when the dust cleared only the KWord developers went with the other group, the rest of the KOffice projects joined what's now Calligra. As far as I can tell the KWord guys wanted to focus on competing with MS Office and OpenOffice for the desktop, while the Calligra Words guys wanted to focus more on mobile. With enough different agendas going on in the same project they had conflict and eventually split. That's at least as far as I've caught the story.
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A portmanteau of meme and name?
No, it is new and you nailed it. A neme is a name and meme combined into one. This may be the first time one has been spotted in the wild. Good catch.
KDE has been rebranding, and not just in removing the K from all their applications. KDE is a project, and a non-profit entity (KDE e.V.). The software compilation they release is now known as KDE SC.
I don't see any reason for alarm over rebranding. KDE is getting more contributers and developers every year. Even many of the die-hard haters who railed against the 4.0 release have come back into the fold loving the current KDE releases. And for all the hate about Plasma, the Plasma framework makes it quite easy to create new activities and shells, making KDE on netbooks, tablets and phones considerably more viable.
I find it interesting that Ubuntu is trying to find a way to create one interface/shell on every device, and yet they pay so little attention to KDE, Plasma and Qt. With KDE activities, I can switch instantly between a netbook activity (which I may prefer on the tiny resolution netbook screen) and a more standard desktop activity/shell when I use the video output to use a larger display.
I can keep many of the same apps, conventions, etc. across multiple devices while still focusing on a activity/shell that is best suited to that size/resolution/device.
I'm actually really excited about the future of KDE.
http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
* KDE was rebranded a year ago. It's now the name of the community, not the desktop.
* KDE, the community, is stronger than ever with more contributors than ever and more commits than ever.
* Calligra does not switch focus to mobile, but it *extends* the focus to mobile... and tablets... and so on.
What do you mean by that?
KDE's default behavior is to have no icons on the desktop because they want to eliminate the behavior of storing files on the desktop. They wanted to eliminate clutter.
I'm not sure why someone would assume they're pushing a messy desktop, unless you mean they support widgets or plasmoids. So does Mac OS X and Windows 7, both praised for their "clean" design. I don't use plasmoids on the desktop and don't care for them, but they're entirely optional. (I do have plasmoids docked in the panel, but that is another story).
http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.
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Hmm. And just recently I got a request to purchase kaligraphy.com from me.
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Thinking that it might have been Microsoft or Apple or similar about to release a new product, I replied with an outrageously high price. I wonder if it was the KDE team
If it is indeed the KDE team, get in touch
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we can add the iProducts to this trend too.
Actually, iThink i'Ve heard complaints about all three.
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I'm all for government transparency and accountability
You are all for it, as long as those words mean nothing specific. Just a lofty goal "government transparency - yeah I'm for it". Reporting government wrongdoing or dubious activity, if said government would rather nobody found out ... well that would take things too far. Transparency is only for those cases when the government likes being transparent, it appears.
I'm assuming PayPal was pressured a bit in this matter.
Poor PayPal. Were they sued? Was there a court order? Or is it enough when some government agency makes threatening phone calls?
It makes for horrible alphabetical clustering in menus and file managers!
I can't find anything at a glance, among K* or i* - or g[????]*.
Just as bad - if not worse is the sorting on Windows machines "My" everything and "Microsoft" everything. Real visual cluster fart.
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You can use Amarok just fine in Gnome. It isn't "tied" to the desktop. However, running an all-Gnome or all-KDE ecosystem means you reuse the same libraries, keep a consistent look, and share certain features, such as KDE ioslaves, Akonadi resources, Strigi/Nepomuk metadata, same file dialogs, etc. across all the apps.
http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
Better integration, for one. You know what is and isn't there, you can style it to fit in with the rest of the environment, etc. Plus choosing Qt or GTK can mean your app looks funny in one environment (it doesn't have to though).
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This is a horrible junk news editorial. This speculation is not just wild, it is more annoying than those toads in Australia... too much of this around and we just can't kill them all.
I welcome the name change from KOffice to just about anything else including Caligula. KOffice is not the same as K-Office. KOffice sounds too much like a bronchial condition. And the propensity to name things with a K in front is just ridiculous. I know, Gnome is somewhat guilty of that but not to the same extent. Worse, K is associated n my mind with K-Mart which was the brand of K-rap. (Their shoes were cheap and only lasted for 5 minutes on my feet when I was a kid.) I know... my association with K is my problem, but still. Too much K already. At least "G" is more often silent.
Here is some more background on the split
http://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice-devel&m=128782551919625&w=2
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I duly note that you ignored every single question I asked, especially about Ellsberg and the NYT, which speaks volumes of you and how well thought out your position is. And frankly, using the rest of the "reply" for nothing but a couple of lame ad hominem attacks tells the rest.
I like my democracy thank you very much, I'm sorry it makes me a zealot that I want to keep it. I suggest you take your neo-fascist tyranny and shove it up your ass. I'm sure you'll like it.
And btw, I'm NOT the AC who were refering to your wife, my original reason for posting AC is that I can't be bothered to find out a username that is't already used, only to get another password to track. So much for that assumption, smart ass.
As I'm reading this thread I'd suggest this link instead:
http://lists.kde.org/?l=koffice-devel&m=128812911619277&w=2
How am I supposed to know Plasma and Dolphin are KDE apps now?
Here's a better question. Why should I need to know whether Dolphin (I'll leave out Plasma, since it's functionality is so KDE-specific) is a KDE app? If I like it, I should be able to use it seamlessly regardless of which DE I prefer. To the extent that I can't, the 'open desktop' has failed. To the extent that it's becoming easier and easier, the OD is inching (not fast enough, IMHO) toward (the potential for) success.
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No and yes. XFCE has none of those things. It is not a desktop/widget set like KDE and GNOME, and GNOME doesn't have akonadi resources, or ioslaves, because they refuse to use frameworks written in C++ and especially any framework written by anyone that has ever had anything to do with KDE. In stead they have different frameworks like Gnome-VFS, GStreamer or GTK file-dialogs, that sometimes does the same thing as KDE equivalents, and sometimes does something different
RedHat helped found Gnome in reaction to KDE when it first came out. They were always hostile as opposed to Caldera which was very pro-KDE.
Ubuntu was always part of Gnome, they had to pick and they picked Gnome because they agreed with the goal of interface simplicity which was part of the Gnome 2 project.
The real kick in the teeth was Suse and Mandriva/Mandrake supporting Gnome fully.
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Too bad f.d.o. tends to auto approve Gnome things as 'standard' without second though.
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