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A Lost Civilization Beneath the Persian Gulf?

Phoghat sends news of a new theory that a once-fertile landmass beneath the Persian Gulf may have supported some of the earliest humans outside of Africa. "Perhaps it is no coincidence that the founding of such remarkably well developed communities along the shoreline corresponds with the flooding of the Persian Gulf basin around 8,000 years ago... These new colonists may have come from the heart of the Gulf, displaced by rising water levels that plunged the once fertile landscape beneath the waters of the Indian Ocean."

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  1. this land is a fertile land... by rarel · · Score: 5, Funny

    and we will thrive... and we will call it... "this land"

  2. EGADS!!! by Apothem · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the lost city of... ATLANTA!

  3. Re:Old testament .... by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean that we'll have radicals from major religions rowing around the indian ocean in dinghies, firing mortars at eachother while screaming "GET OFF MY HOLY WATER, INFIDEL!"
    ?

    'Cuz its honestly not a bad idea.

  4. Knock it off with the pseudoscience by jcampbelly · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link to the abstract just to nip all this 3rd and 4th hand speculation about flood myths and Atlantis: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/657397

    It's great for bringing public attention but not so great for highlighting the actual science behind the pop sci article.

  5. Re:Noah, etc by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interestingly, most civilizations that developped near shorelines have flood myth and most inland civilization don't have it. Floods happen really frequently you know.

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  6. Unscientific to dismiss legends and myth ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So is this the origin of the flood myth?

    Or another attempt at lending credence to the myth, by people of a faith where it's central?

    It is unscientific to dismiss a theory because it lends credence to religious beliefs. Do you realize that the current cosmological theory for the origin of the universe, the "big bang" theory, was initially dismissed by the "leading scientists" of the day because (1) it was developed by a roman catholic priest and (2) it seemed too close to the "creation myth of genesis". The term "big bang" was coined by these "leading scientists" to mock the theory.

    Secondly, many myths and legends have a bit of truth behind them. Sometimes based on a multigenerational telling of historical events and sometimes as an attempt to explain things beyond a culture's scientific understanding. A real scientist tries to interpret myths and legends, not ignore or dismiss them.

    1. Re:Unscientific to dismiss legends and myth ... by perpenso · · Score: 5, Informative

      Citation please. Seriously. This would be very useful these days.

      "Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître ( lemaitre.ogg (helpinfo) July 17, 1894 – June 20, 1966) was a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, honorary prelate, professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of Louvain. He sometimes used the title Abbé or Monseigneur. Lemaître was the first scientist to propose what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his 'hypothesis of the primeval atom'."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaitre

      "The Big Bang is a scientific theory, and as such is dependent on its agreement with observations. But as a theory which addresses the origins of reality, it has always carried theological and philosophical implications. In the 1920s and 1930s almost every major cosmologist preferred an eternal steady state Universe, and several complained that the beginning of time implied by the Big Bang imported religious concepts into physics; this objection was later repeated by supporters of the steady state theory."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

  7. Re:So... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this place which was flooded where the Indo-European language roots come from?

    No. There are too many cold weather/northern animal words shared across IE languages. The north Caspian Sea area is the most likely, though there are other possibilities. Any area as far south as the Persian Gulf though is highly unlikely based on weather/animal words shared across IE languages.

    Though it may be where Proto-Semitic language roots come from (Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Syriac, Assryian, etc.), but there is extensive debate on that as well (whether Afroasiatic languages like the Semitic family formed in Africa and moved north, or the Middle East and moved south).

    Also, Helen didn't sink any ships. The phrase is 'launched a thousand ships.'

  8. Re:Attempt at justifying religion again? by Arker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Archaeologists study Geology intensely, and any team of size will include a Geologist.

    Also Southern Methodist is a great place for archæology, home to Lewis Binford among others. The Methodist church isnt fundamentalist and doesnt have a problem with science.

    So you were offbase on every point.

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  9. Re:So... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

    The oldest languages around the Persian Gulf are not Semitic. The oldest language that can be attested are Sumerian and Elamite, which are both isolates, with know perceivable connection to any other spoken language. The Akkadians and other Semitic tribes were later invaders that seized Sumer, though they largely retained the Sumerian religion and the language as a sort of liturgical language (much like Latin was to become after the fall of Rome). No one can be quite certain where the Semitic languages arose, though the parent Afro-Asiatic family appears to come East Africa, and the Semitic languages may have arisen in the Arabian Peninsula.

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  10. Re:Noah, etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You'd have what, 60 cents at most? ;-)

  11. Re:Noah, etc by yuje · · Score: 5, Informative

    It refers to a goddess named Nuwa: It sounds like just cherry-picking of selected elements that are convenient. The Chinese myth of Nuwa seems superficially similar in pronunciation to Noah, but the myth is nothing like Noah. For one thing, Nuwa is a woman, not a man, and is a creator-deity, which is expressly counter to Christian theology.

    Chinese mythology does have some myths about floods, but they involve the Yellow Emperor teaching the commoners irrigation and flood control (of the Yellow River, not the sea) in order to bring about the creation of civilization.

    Christian creationists like to mix and match selected similar elements from myths, ignoring the rest, and use that as reason to support the "fact" of the Great Flood. At best this is ignorant, and at worse sheer dishonesty.