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A Lost Civilization Beneath the Persian Gulf?
Phoghat sends news of a new theory that a once-fertile landmass beneath the Persian Gulf may have supported some of the earliest humans outside of Africa. "Perhaps it is no coincidence that the founding of such remarkably well developed communities along the shoreline corresponds with the flooding of the Persian Gulf basin around 8,000 years ago... These new colonists may have come from the heart of the Gulf, displaced by rising water levels that plunged the once fertile landscape beneath the waters of the Indian Ocean."
and we will thrive... and we will call it... "this land"
So here we have the origin of much of the stuff in the old testament ...
Wasn't there a book about "crocodile people" who lived in the area of Persian gulf? I am however not sure where I read it and who wrote it.. It was of course borderline fantasy, but still, I recall it was quite interesting.
Is this place which was flooded where the Indo-European language roots come from?
And when Helen sank a thousand ships, was she really just sending them home?
Is Captain Jack Sparrow upside down in the Med?
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It's the lost city of... ATLANTA!
So is this the origin of the flood myth? It seems more plausible than the south-east indian origin. I see it as a middle-point between Egypt's myth of Atlantis and the Sumerian flood tale as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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I'm surprised there is no mention of Atlantis in TFA.
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Why are anthropologists and archeogeneticists making assumptions about geological changes?
Until I hear about a few geologists supporting this, I read this as Yet Another attempt at trying to legitimize the Abrahamic religion flood myth.
That the man behind this was educated at the Southern Methodist University makes it, in my opinion, more likely that there's a bias here.
Perhaps this is the fabled Atlantis described in Plato's accounts?
Scholars dispute whether and how much Plato's story or account was inspired by older traditions. Some scholars argue Plato drew upon memories of past events such as the Thera eruption or the Trojan War, while others insist that he took inspiration from contemporary events like the destruction of Helike in 373 BC[1] or the failed Athenian invasion of Sicily in 415–413 BC.
Alternatively it may be the basis of the Noah's Ark / Flood mythology.
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Let's drill for oil there!
Unless I'm mistaken, this "new theory" was part of the plot of an Orson Scott Card book, Pastwatch.
but a cataclysm destroyed their civilization and the landform it was built upon. A few survivors made it to Egypt,where they built the pyramids and started an occult tradition of secret knowledge that has been passed down to this very day.
I know this because my insurance agent told me. He belongs to this fraternal organization where they dress up in robes and are instructed in that secret knowledge by the guy who sold me my house.
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The dry land is an established fact, right? AFAIK, most scientists agree that sea levels were much lower 10-20k years ago due to the ice age. There was a land bridge in Alaska, and the San Francisco bay didn't exist. You could walk to the Farralone islands which are now something like 14 miles out in the ocean.
Given that these lands existed, it seems likely that humans lived on them.
FWIW, I always picture a primitive man with a fire. Another guy comes along and says, "hey, put out that fire. You're warming up the planet. If you don't stop that, it'll be the Farralone islands instead of the Farralone hills, and the whole planet will be destroyed".
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Not that I necessarily believe in that, but two of the 4 rivers near the Garden of Eden were supposedly the Tigris and Euphrates, and the other 2, as far as I know, have not entirely been explained, though there are some theories.
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Here's a link to the abstract just to nip all this 3rd and 4th hand speculation about flood myths and Atlantis: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/657397
It's great for bringing public attention but not so great for highlighting the actual science behind the pop sci article.
So is this the origin of the flood myth?
The folks who once lived in what is now the Black Sea would probably want to share the credit for that one. They seem to have had a similar flood event.
FWIW some geologists who compared the old testament to satellite images found some evidence suggesting that the rivers identifying the location of eden are consistent with rivers (current and ancient) converging on a location now in the Persian Gulf.
It sounds like some "real" archaeologists might owe Graham Hancock an apology. He's been saying for years that entire civilizations were swallowed up and lost at the end of the last ice age:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underworld/
I take his theories with a really large grain of salt, but it seems the basic idea isn't so crazy anymore.
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So is this the origin of the flood myth?
Or another attempt at lending credence to the myth, by people of a faith where it's central?
It is unscientific to dismiss a theory because it lends credence to religious beliefs. Do you realize that the current cosmological theory for the origin of the universe, the "big bang" theory, was initially dismissed by the "leading scientists" of the day because (1) it was developed by a roman catholic priest and (2) it seemed too close to the "creation myth of genesis". The term "big bang" was coined by these "leading scientists" to mock the theory.
Secondly, many myths and legends have a bit of truth behind them. Sometimes based on a multigenerational telling of historical events and sometimes as an attempt to explain things beyond a culture's scientific understanding. A real scientist tries to interpret myths and legends, not ignore or dismiss them.
No matter how you try to spin it, the mitochondrial DNA of modern humans trace back to "ONE" female.
To say we all descend from ONE woman does not mean she was the ONLY woman on earth at the time.
Look at it this way: all my brothers, sisters, and cousins descend from my grandmother. But we have TWO grandmothers. Capisce?
Actually, civilization is lost around the Persian Gulf, not beneath it.
>Until I hear about a few geologists supporting this, I read this as Yet Another attempt at trying to legitimize the Abrahamic religion flood myth. That the man behind this was educated at the Southern Methodist University makes it, in my opinion, more likely that there's a bias here.
You realize you are engaging in the same bias practiced by those who dismissed the big bang theory because it was formulated by a roman catholic priest and seemed too close to the story of genesis? I am not vouching for this guy from SMU, just offering something for you to consider when you learn that a scientist has faith. Newton comes to mind too.
Also what is wrong with myth? They are sometimes a pre-literate pre-scientific civilization's attempt to pass along observations from one generation to the next. A real scientist would try to interpret the myth, not dismiss it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/10/navy-rankles-iranians-persian-gulf-change/
It has been said that if you blasted Jerusalem into dust, the Jews, Muslims and Christians would fight over the hole. In fact, if you removed the other two groups, the Jews/Muslims/Christians would fight among themselves over the sacred hole in the ground.
I was wondering where we left it. Now that we found it, can we be civilized again?
There's a strong belief that global warming will actually bring on a new ice age. Kiss Canada goodbye. On a serious note what will this do to country borders? It's bad enough that suddenly former international borders will extend out hundreds of miles but imagine what will happen to the English Channel. 10,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years, the channel was a grassy plain. Once it's above water where is the border between France and England? As peaceful as things are now I can see a war coming. It's at least hundreds of years off and odds are thousands but it will happen one day. Ice Ages are a fact of life and it's doubtful global warming will stop them it may actually make them worse.
None of you are asking the important question. Which is, of course, whether I should be going underwater off the far southern coast of Kalimdor, and looking for places to dig.
Did anybody do the math? 16 Lake Superiors were supposed to raise global sea levels by - what? 10m maybe? Can't imagine that was enough water for a flood.
As somebody who was there when it happened. I told them it was coming. I said, "Hey, keep driving around those large chariots and eventually this whole place is going to flood." A friend of mine said he was going to build a boat. Took him 100 years. He probably could have done it faster if he had stimulus money. But, hey, times were tough back then.
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Lets get the numbers straight
Homo sapiens left Africa 50000 or 100000 years ago
The land mass disappeared 7500 years ago
The slashdot abstract is very badly written.
What do you mean "civilization"? Are there cities down there? Art? Ocarinas? What? Without artifacts, without context, without methodology, just discovering YA Alleged Antediluvian pile of flint chips (75,000 ybp corresponds to the human bottleneck, while 8,000 ybp is twice as old as the oldest Egyptian civilization. The time scales in TFA are preposterous. Not out of realm of possibility. Out of realm of provability.
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about Iran?
Cool, there will be a new $5 DLC for Civilization V.
Most tales about YHWH aren't painting a picture of a nice guy. It's not that unreasonable to even half-seriously suggest that YHWH was an alien; too many of his actions and orders are pretty inhuman by anyone's measure, but fit a heartless robot just fine.
Yeah, because when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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See, that there is dumbass. How, pray tell, do you get from basically a Hewbrew language to the clicks of the Kallahari bushmen? How do you get the Chinese drift?
How long does it take a language to change? Now, how long was it since the flood? Not very long according to the fairytale.
I was just thinking what a shame it is that the ancient city of Babylon used to exist in what is today Iraq. I mean there is a place that would be interesting to visit (well not anymore)...