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Aerial Video Footage of New York Taken By RC Plane

kkleiner writes with this fun bit from Singularity Hub: "Expert remote control pilot Raphael 'Trappy' Pirker recently took his 54 inch Zephyr model plane on a harrowing tour of Manhattan and the surrounding area. The best part: his RC vehicle was fitted with a camera that wirelessly transmitted an amazing recording of everything it saw – Pirker was piloting his craft with this visual feed. As you can see in the video, the results were spectacular. The plane looks to be flying within a few feet of buildings and whizzing past bridges with ease. You have to check out around 2:01 when he starts to buzz right by the Statute of Liberty."

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  1. Scary? by AaxelB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quite honestly, I'm surprised this didn't cause some sort of panic...

    1. Re:Scary? by DamienRBlack · · Score: 5, Informative

      He notified authorities and had their permission. In fact, I believe they were on site during the fly.

      I am wrong about that. Apparently he did not inform the authorities before hand, but they did show up while he was flying, which is why there is some video of authorities on site when the plane landed, leading to my confusion.

      It seems they were alright with everything, apparently no laws were broken.

    2. Re:Scary? by wizardforce · · Score: 2

      No laws were broken but they thought the'd show up anyway? What is wrong with this country.

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    3. Re:Scary? by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A pound of Semtex and the fun begins. Cheap missiles to kill politicians always gets the cops running.

    4. Re:Scary? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The sad thing is that I'm not surprised they showed up. People can't even fly an RC plane around without someone calling the cops. The terrorists have won, we're all terrified of everything now.

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    5. Re:Scary? by Anubis350 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heh, he apparently was flying from ~3 blocks from my house. The city's emergency command center is only a few blocks away too, on the site of the old red cross building, and of course there's the bridges and lots of traffic on them and the BQE and FDR, plus pedestrians and boats... so it's not surprising that an long range aerial display like this would at least be checked up on. They didn't stop them though, so I'm not really worried about authorities overstepping their boundaries in this case....

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    6. Re:Scary? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2
      Dear Sirs;

      I am most interested in flying RC planes as a hobby. Please send details, including maximum payload.

      Sincerely

      Mr. O. B. Lada of Chicago

    7. Re:Scary? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No laws were broken but they thought the'd show up anyway? What is wrong with this country.

      Cops having a look and checking things out! Where will it end!

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    8. Re:Scary? by zmollusc · · Score: 2

      We are not 'all terrified of everything now', it is just that a lot of people have got lucrative contracts in security theatre. We *should be* terrified of the slide into a police state.

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    9. Re:Scary? by Sparr0 · · Score: 2

      What regulation are you referring to in your first question?

      As to transmitter power, it is likely (but not certain) that he has a HAM license and was using one of their bands for his transmitter. It's legal, but not especially common. Go to a fly-in (R/C meetup where flying happens) with a thousand people and maybe twenty of them will be using HAM radios.

    10. Re:Scary? by baKanale · · Score: 2

      ...apparently no laws were broken.

      Since when has that ever stopped the cops?

    11. Re:Scary? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      We are not 'all terrified of everything now'

      I've seen quite a few people (but not everyone, of course) that basically stated that they'd be willing to give up their freedoms for a false sense of security. They support things such as the Patriot Act, and also what is happening at airports. I find it truly frightening how many people aren't afraid of a police state and will willingly give up their freedoms to the government in exchange for such petty things.

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    12. Re:Scary? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm, a 10 sec google search of some NYC RC hobby message boards tells me that flying RC planes in NYC is actually illegal, as in most cities, except in some specific designated areas. Nothing to do with fear of terrorists, and everything to do with crashing into people, breaking windows, causing car accidents and such.

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    13. Re:Scary? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you know that they didn't show up because one of them is into RC models?

      An over-reaction would have been arresting the guy and throwing him in the clink until they could figure out a way to interpret a law in such a way as to say he'd broken it. Simply going and having a look isn't an over-reaction. There are a lot of risks involved in flying model aircraft around a city, and even without "security theatre" it's probably worth checking out what's going on and making sure it's not some twat who's just bought a gigantic model aircraft off eBay and is trying to learn how to fly it in a crowded park ;-)

    14. Re:Scary? by Kevin108 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Where I live, everybody feels safe because the cops park in front of a statue next to a local college in the middle of downtown. What the cops are actually doing is getting on the school's wi-fi and checking out the college girls coming and going.

      Cops are people too and often they're looking for a way to fuck off and make it look like they're working. They probably just thought the RC plane was cool and talked to the guy about it because of that.

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    15. Re:Scary? by N+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Quite honestly, I'm surprised this didn't cause some sort of panic...

      Well, if it had been done with this RC plane, I think it certainly would have!

    16. Re:Scary? by minkie · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "Advisory Circular" mentioned briefly in the interview video is FAA AC 91-57, "Model Aircraft Operating Standards". You can download a copy of it from http://tinyurl.com/28wko9o . As the "A" in the name implies, ACs are advisory in nature. They do not carry the force of law, but generally if you can show that you've complied with an AC, the FAA is happy.

      It's pretty clear, however, that he didn't comply with several points of the AC. The Verrazano bridge towers are 690 feet tall, and clearly he was above that, so he obviously didn't stay below 400 feet. The reason for the 400 foot limit is because "real" planes are supposed to stay above 500 feet, per 14 CFR 91.119(c). If you stay below 400 and they stay above 500, nobody swaps paint.

      Given the areas and altitudes he flew in, it's unlikely he caused any hazard to jet traffic flying in or out of the three big NYC airports, but there's a lot of low-level seaplane (East River below the 59th street bridge), and helicopter traffic (numerous busy heliports all over the place) in and out of there. A plane like this is essentially invisible to the pilots of those aircraft. "Big sky, small plane" works in your favor here, even more so than usual.

      It looks to me like he stayed mostly over water, so I'd guess the hazard to people on the ground was minimal. Although, I don't know what would happen if he had lost radio control. Do these things have some kind of dead man switch which cuts power to the prop if radio signal is lost? If so, then it's hard to imagine doing any kind of major damage.

    17. Re:Scary? by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

      Yes, they showed up and he let them view the video through the goggles as he buzzed them. Seriously, they were actually cool about it.

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    18. Re:Scary? by Nethead · · Score: 2

      97.215 Telecommand of model craft.

            An amateur station transmitting signals to control a model craft may be
            operated as follows:

            (a) The station identification procedure is not required for
            transmissions directed only to the model craft, provided that a label
            indicating the station call sign and the station licensee's name and
            address is affixed to the station transmitter.

            (b) The control signals are not considered codes or ciphers intended to
            obscure the meaning of the communication.

            (c) The transmitter power must not exceed 1 W.

            [ 54 FR 25857 , June 20, 1989, as amended at 56 FR 56171 , Nov. 1, 1991]

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    19. Re:Scary? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Yes, they showed up and he let them view the video through the goggles as he buzzed them. Seriously, they were actually cool about it.

      Now, if they were smart they'd take a note of his phone number, just in case...

      "Hey, you know that radio-controlled plane you have with the camera? Want to make a contribution to public safety, and a few dollars?"

      Sounds like an awfully handy thing to be able to get your hands on, when you absolutely have to see over that wall *right now*...

    20. Re:Scary? by BostonPilot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are not correct that AIRCRAFT need to stay 500 feet above the bridge. Helicopters (which are a kind of aircraft) have no specific minimum altitude limits. The pilot needs to be sure that his flight isn't going to endanger people or property on the ground.

      I have done photography jobs in NYC that required very low altitude flying. I doubt I would be able to see and avoid an RC aircraft of this size. We generally can identify when a field is being used for RC flying (the people and their equipment has a generally identifiable signature). It's very very difficult to see the RC aircraft themselves because of their size, so a FPV RC aircraft being flown from a remote location is probably a collision hazard.

      I'm not sure whether an RC aircraft of this size would go through a canopy or not. If the helicopter were at speed and you had a head on with an RC plane flying at 80 mph, I think there is a fair chance the RC plane could go through the bubble (it's just a piece of plastic, after all). I'm CERTAIN it would take out my tail rotor, and that could certainly lead to a fatal accident.

      I guess I have the same worries about this sort of thing as I do about UAVs - the person on the ground is taking no personal risk at all, but is putting the helicopter crew and their passengers at risk for their lives. It's not a big worry right now because these things are pretty rare, but what should we do if it becomes commonplace?

  2. Re:Who gives a shit? by gblackwo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has been modified and tested at a range of 27 miles, with a supposed max operating range of 120. That's news for nerds.

  3. More Details here... by stockard · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this earlier article, the police and TSA talked to him, but surprisingly didn't charge him with anything. He said they were "more curious than confrontational."

    1. Re:More Details here... by nanospook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Watching the footage, it appeared he stayed out of downtown Manhattan and stuck to the surrounding water front and buildings. He might have received a different response if he was buzzing Time Square..

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    2. Re:More Details here... by jack2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are you people? MAD? It's an RC plane, It's a toy, it's a remote controlled piece of plastic and foam.
      Terrorism? I'd be more scared of the loonies living in America right now than the damn terrorists.

    3. Re:More Details here... by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, people have been killed by RC planes and helicopters. They may look like toys, but except for the ones that are literally sold as children's toys they should always be flown with caution.

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  4. I did this in Hong Kong :) by bronney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is a danger to it, as this video illustrate but that's before I got my 2.4GHz Tx.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtN1AtShkk0

    Here's one closer to buildings :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWyOJmEvY4

    I don't do FPV either, too scary not seeing the plane :) I fly it until it's a pixel in the sky, and before I do that I made sure I master orientation of a pixel object in the simulator first.

  5. Nice... but by countertrolling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Way to many edits. Destroyed the flow

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  6. Re:Who gives a shit? by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2

    Worse than that, I think this story might be a dupe.

  7. Re:Question by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maximum tested range is 27 miles. Maximum estimated range by their calculations is 120 miles.

  8. Re:Who gives a shit? by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know how every few months someone posts yet another video of guys taking video from high altitude balloons, and we all yawn because we've seen it a dozen times or more?

    This is the exact opposite of that.

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  9. Re:DHS by plopez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about "engaging in activities which might someday possibly give someone an idea about engaging in an activity which could lead to someone imagining they could use the information to sort of create a rumor of potential terrorist activity". Let me translate, it means "we have to do something to show that the obscene budget of our department and the pork we shovel to the security companies we contract with is justified in the face of budget cuts." HTH HAND.

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  10. F*(K the panic do something awesome by __aaeuwj6541 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is it just me or has just about everyone glaized over the fact that for the time when these guys were doing this, they were probably having the time of their lives, fuck the authorities, do cool shit with your time.

    1. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by serbanp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't mind them doing it, but this is insane, especially when doing it in an area highly sensitized to flying missiles/planes.

      It only takes a few assholes in the government or the legislative to imagine such a plane flying with a dangerous payload (explosives, dirty rad material etc) to ban R/C flying planes, forcing me and so many others who enjoy this hobby to simply stop.

      Think it can't happen? They did it already once with a whole class of model rockets...

    2. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That doesn't make this activity insane. That makes the governmental idiots insane.

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    3. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. It makes the electorate insane.

      You get the government you want.

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    4. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      No, it's not insane, it's clever, as it further helps to prove that the gov'ment can't protect Mr. and Mrs. Citizen from every potential 'threat' everywhere, all the time and that you as a citizen need to keep calm and carry on - That plane you see buzzing around the Statue of LIBERTY is probably just a little plane, not some terrorist weapon.

    5. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by Painted · · Score: 2

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    6. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are correct that the electorate is insane. As a result, we get the government that the media and the people with money shove down our throats.

    7. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by S.O.B. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. It makes the electorate insane.

      You get the government you want.

      The electorate doesn't matter. Regardless of who we vote for we get the government the corporations and lobbyists want.

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    8. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      No. It makes the electorate insane.

      You get the government you want.

      You get to choose the best from a bad bunch.

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    9. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2

      Think it can't happen? They did it already once with a whole class of model rockets...

      What class of model rockets might this be? If you are referring to the ATF trying to regulate high power rocket motors as explosives, we took them to court over that, AND WON.

      Sprawling land development, the proliferation of lawyers, and suburban soccer moms are doing a lot more to curb model rocketry than the government these days. It's getting harder to find a large enough open field to fly even A-C motor Estes-type rockets anymore. The days of being allowed to launch at town parks and school football field is pretty much over. But if you join a club and are willing to drive to a suitable launch site, the hobby is probably at the most vibrant point since the moon landings. Certainly the court victory over the ATF has energized the high-power end of the hobby.

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    10. Re:F*(K the panic do something awesome by Triv · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "I don't mind them doing it, but this is insane, especially when doing it in an area highly sensitized to flying missiles/planes."

      As a New Yorker, can I just say: stop assuming shit about how we feel about 9/11 and 9/11 related things. As a community, we got over the terrorist attack years and years and fucking YEARS ago; it's people from not-here who keep this crap up.

      We're fine with RC geeks. We don't cringe every time a plane flies overhead. We're totally, completely fine with Muslims. Stop, please, just stop making assumptions and taking actions based on how you think we think about something that happened a decade ago, and let it GO, already. Find somebody else's banner to carry.

  11. Re:Who gives a shit? by shadowbearer · · Score: 2

      That the authorities there did not immediately confiscate it is also news for nerds - very good news.

      There will be another endless court fight coming, however - the right of private citizens to fly cameras over other people's backyards.

      Sigh.

      IMO if the government wants to spy on it's citizens, then it should also grant the right for citizens to spy on citizens, including citizens who are government employees. It's only fair, right?

      Yeah, it's pretty fucked, either way. But I'd rather have the right for citizens to spy on citizens, than have corporations or government have that right exclusively. The tech is already there. The genie is out of the bottle. Short of complete suppression of garage/basement tech entrepreneurs there is no way to stop it from becoming ubiquitous.

      Of course if I wanted my backyard to be really private, I could employ tech (such as lasers or other things not invented yet) to spoof or blind the surveillance - and such would be my right, yes?

      Nod to William Gibson.

      SB

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  12. Re:how long will *that* hobby last? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you've ever looked at, and held an RC airplane of that size (54 inch wingspan), in person, you would quickly come to realize that it's a toy and of no danger to society. As have apparently the DHS and NYPD guys.

    They are made of balsa wood and foam. They are very light. They have a useful payload of about a pound. Yes a 1-pound bomb can cause damage, but really it would just be so much easier for a terrorist to throw a hand grenade or something, rather than go through all of this shenanigan.

  13. Argh! by Phoenix666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What sheep Americans have become! A guy does a cool, harmless thing like fly a model airplane over the East River and suddenly everybody on this board is biting their fingernails about whether the government will *allow* us to do such a thing. The government does not *allow* us to do anything; in this country, it's what we, the People, allow the government to do that's important. We allow them do very specific, limited things at our sufferance. Everything else we do at our pleasure and the government can fuck off if it doesn't like it.

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    1. Re:Argh! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I like your version of reality better than the one I live in. I'd sign up in a heartbeat if I felt you could deliver. :(

      -FL

  14. Cool, however... by virgnarus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FPV (First Person View) RC flying has been starting to become trendy in the past few years and this isn't very different from what has been done in the past. There have been flights that have extended at further ranges with more daring stunts in public areas. Though, what is special about this is particular video is it was shot in the US, which makes FPV practically illegal with the amount of restrictions they place on it. It's the equivalent of permitting one to carry a firearm as long as long as it's bright orange, muzzle-loaded. has "REAL GUN" printed on the sides, shoots blanks and can only be aimed at certified targets in licensed shooting ranges. Anyways, I'd highly recommend anyone to go and take a gander at certain videos on youtube with the name "FPV" and discover a lot on what this awesome hobby has to deliver.

  15. Re:DHS by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Morons, sometimes we are saved because the idiot with an islamist terrorist idea is not that smart - like the timsquare bomber. This moron has made the perfect equipment for them and is now going to sell it as well. This is not so funny.

    Absolutely. No-one should be allowed to sell anything that might be useful to a terrorist.

    Like cars. Or gas canisters.

    Or underwear.

  16. Re:Call the cops by zmollusc · · Score: 2

    You think that is bad? I heard the other day that many people don't grow their own food! OMG, they totes buy food prepared in huge factories operated by minimum-wage scum! It wouldn't take much effort to infiltrate the production line and put Allah knows what into the food. Will nobody think of the children???!!!!!

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  17. Re:DHS by PatPending · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or box cutters. Or shoes.

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  18. Re:Question by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just off the top of my head, having built and flown a lot of RC craft in the past, a 54" plane could have a flight time of an hour at 80mph, so he could easily reach his 27 mile radio range and back, with time to maneuver in between.

  19. Re:Who gives a shit? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2

    Yet, bragging rights don't apply unless you prove it. Where's the link describing how? The radio range for something like that, never mind the range for video, is daunting. Granted, he's operating above the horizon, but still!

    I, for one, want to know the specifics of that side of the setup. I could care less about the other components of the event (no interest in flight); the radio communications holding out over that distance, on minimal power, is notable, however.

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  20. "Harrowing?" by AxeTheMax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How was this incident "harrowing"? Was the land surface of Manhattan torn up to several inches deep? Were people's feelings deeply and permanently hurt by this flight? Or is this another journalist using a long word that he/she does not actually have any idea of the meaning of but thinks it makes them sound good?

    See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harrow

    1. Re:"Harrowing?" by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

      If that plane had crashed into a building, it would have been like 911 divided by 100

      Yes. Nine point one one!

  21. Unwatchable by bytesex · · Score: 2

    The guy may understand flying, but he sure as hell doesn't understand cutting footage into a comprehensive, watchable piece of film

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  22. O. B. Lada by silverspell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr. O. B. Lada of Chicago

    So wait, this changes everything: not only is Paul McCartney alive and the head of Al-Qaeda, but he's living in freakin' Chicago? Crazy world...

  23. Re:Question by wesleyjconnor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TSA outside hobby stores, one step at a time...

  24. Re:how long will *that* hobby last? by daid303 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You seem to know what you're talking about. And yes, no danger to society, but it is a danger to people. Don't let people think they can just fly model planes in population dense areas. Without thinking about it.

    I fly model glides myself, balsa wood is found in the cheaper range (that I fly). But in the 'sport' range you have carbon fiber planes, which can reach speeds well over 100km/h. And these are gliders we are talking about, you won't hear them till they hit you. With 2kg of carbon going at 100km you can hospitalize someone with ease.

    Also, I envy you Americans at this point. They regulated the hell out of the model flying sport here, making photographing a city like that most likely illegal.