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IBM Makes a Super Memory Breakthrough

adeelarshad82 writes "IBM says they have made a significant leap forward in the viability of 'Racetrack memory,' a new technology design which has the potential to exponentially increase computing power. This new tech could give devices the ability to store as much as 100 times more information than they do now, which would be accessed at far greater speeds while utilizing 'much less' energy than today's designs. In the future, a single portable device might be able to hold as much memory as today's business-class servers and run on a single battery charge for weeks at a time. Racetrack memory works by storing data as magnetic regions (also called domains), which would be transported along nanowire 'racetracks.' Instead of forcing a computer to seek out the data it needs, as traditional computing systems do, the information would automatically slide along the racetrack to where it could be used."

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  1. super by hey · · Score: 1

    That's super-doubleplus good.

  2. "Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Really? The summary doesn't even get around to explaining what the alleged "breakthrough" was. It's just trumpeting the awesomeness of race-track memory. From the article:

    "We discovered that domain walls don't hit peak acceleration as soon as the current is turned on, and that it takes them exactly the same time and distance to hit peak acceleration as it does to decelerate and eventually come to a stop," commented Dr. Stuart Parkin, an IBM Fellow at IBM Research. "This was previously undiscovered in part because it was not clear whether the domain walls actually had mass, and how the effects of acceleration and deceleration could exactly compensate one another. Now we know domain walls can be positioned precisely along the racetracks simply by varying the length of the current pulses even though the walls have mass."

    Don't get me wrong, race track memory is some pretty exciting stuff but I think we're dealing with an observation that means they can now proceed along a certain strategy for storing and retrieving bits. I don't think I would call this a breakthrough, it sounds like they set out to investigate domain walls and learned something. How is that a breakthrough? We're still in the ten to fifteen years away period which is that magic flying car period that, in many instances of exciting new technology, never seems to shrink.

    "Breakthrough" no longer means anything to me. I don't know what you would have to put in the title to get me genuinely excited about a real breakthrough ... probably something like "Researchers Shitting Themselves Over New Discovery."

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    1. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      I hear you.

      I'm only on board with scientists are "baffled" or experts are "shocked."

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    2. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      "Breakthrough" no longer means anything to me.

      I, for one, look forward to 15 years of news articles proclaiming new breakthroughs mean we'll have racetrack memory "within ten years"

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    3. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      I would go with "researcher says >".

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    4. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      I had no idea that could happen. reposting: "researcher says `hm, that's funny`".
      stupid brackets.

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    5. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the word "breakthrough" is pretty applicable here. There was this undiscovered property that acted as a barrier and prevented moving forward with the technology, but now that it is discovered, the barrier has been broken through and progress can continue. You might not be satisfied unless it's an announced product, and I'm with you there, but it's still a breakthrough in the technical sense of the word.

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    6. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder if there is going to be any market for these advances. The high end is shrinking very quickly so the market for really super high end cutting edge stuff is also shrinking.
      Even super computers are using a large number of COTS technology these days. In the future will their be any customers for the first very expensive race track memory systems?

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    7. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by SageMusings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's "Bubble Memory" all over again.

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    8. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Id imagine researchers would want to use it for more powerful computer clusters or supercomputers. There is always a demand for that, mostly DoD contracts to universities.

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    9. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by santiagodraco · · Score: 2

      Well I'd have to say that since you don't know what the breakthrough is, nor do you really appear to understand the technical issues involved (other than quoting words from the article)... I'm not sure you are really saying anything. Much like my post :)

      Breakthrough's in science can be very simple things that move projects forward significantly. A breakthrough doesn't require a nuke going off, or a plane breaking a new mach record.... it could be as simple as what they state as to resolve an issue that was holding up the project for months.

      Of course you might think what they did is "simple" and not breakthrough worthy, but that just demonstrates a lack of understanding for the difficulty in what they are working with.

      You do understand we are talking about nano sized circuits here right?

    10. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see. Even the DOD is going to more COTS. Will the DOD and DOE contracts be enough to get this memory from the lab into production and then finally to mass market?

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    11. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to do <this>, you do it like this: &lt;this>. And it's usually a good idea to review before posting.

    12. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder if there is going to be any market for these advances.

      Did you even read the summary? "In the future, a single portable device might be able to hold as much memory as today's business-class servers and run on a single battery charge for weeks at a time."

      Fifteen years ago nobody thought we'd be watching YouTube.

    13. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I did. but there may be the need between the consumer and the lab for this to mature.
      A price is no object performance market. As I said even super computers are now often made up of COTS parts. This is more a question of economics and not technology. Will any company be willing to make the long term investment to bring this to the consumer market without a nice cash injection from a high margin market?

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    14. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by cowscows · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it's interesting how every story about a new technology ends up full of comments about how it's not a big deal, how it only works in a lab, how any real applications are decades away, etc... yet there's new faster, better, cooler, more efficient, etc... products coming out all the time.

      That's not to say that if someone starts crowing about their exciting new discovery that you should automatically rush in and invest all your money in it, but technology does actually move forward, and not everything is complete BS. And when you're talking about a company like IBM, who have a respectable history of research and invention, I'm generally inclined to believe that they're at least on the trail of something interesting, and not just throwing big words out to try and impress people.

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    15. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      Perfect XKCD for this:
      http://xkcd.com/678/

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    16. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to do <this>, you do it like this: &lt;this>. And it's usually a good idea to review before posting.

      Did you review that?

      I think you meant &lt;this&gt; didn't you?

    17. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      How about we all use a qualifier, like a number out of 10. A breakthrough-0 would be a small tiny one, and a breakthrough-10 would be a "oh wow, we just discovered free energy, and 5 top universities agree and have published it on their university home page - go look now!". hmmm...

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    18. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Well IBM are obviously trying to target consumer grade devices with this technology - their goal is to beat out Flash RAM with horizontal Racetrack memory (the magnetic track is built with a conventional process) and eventually regular hard disk drives with vertical Racetrack memory (more like the picture shown in the article).

      The numbers on this type of technology are pretty staggering if it works - 3.5" drives in the petabyte storage range because. Meaning a 10-disk array could store the sum output of CERN's data for a year (realistically it won't, because CERN put a lot of time and money into efficiently culling their output - they'd probably just turn that off because hey, it's better to store *everything*.)

    19. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      You only have to escape the <. Slashdot doesn't eat the >

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    20. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by b0g0n · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was thirty years ago. Every year there's an announcement of some new memory technology that's going to revolutionize the computer industry. The last time I checked we're all still using DRAM or Flash, we still need lots of batteries, and we still have to reboot after powering down. Whatever happened to MRAM and half a dozen other pretenders?

    21. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      "The boffins are baffled!"

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    22. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Its better to store "useful" information. Id imagine they would store the "high-resolution" output on the big drives then have people analyze it for proper compression/sparsifying techniques.

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    23. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      You should actually use ">" instead of >, just in case... (And & is formed by "&".) In other words, best practice is to do it like this: "<this>". I agree that preview is always a good idea -- as is checking links, if you added any to your comment.

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    24. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I was pretty confused by the GP's statement:

      but I think we're dealing with an observation that means they can now proceed along a certain strategy for storing and retrieving bits. I don't think I would call this a breakthrough...

      I'm curious what he would call a breakthrough, because that sounds like the textbook definition to me.

      Perhaps not a world re-defining breakthrough, but we can have big breakthroughs and little breakthroughs, can we not?

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    25. Re:"Breakthrough" Now a Meaningless Word by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Last I checked modern ram and modern flash were far more advanced than they were 20 years ago, even if they are based on the same basic technologies.

      Did you know that CPU's still use silicon based transistors? Same basic design as was invented 50 years ago.

      So what gives? Why haven't we seen any advances in CPU technology?

      Oh wait, there has been a shitton of advances in CPU technology.

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  3. Exponentially by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate it when people misuse the word exponentially to mean big.

    At best, it will allow the current exponential growth to increase.

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    1. Re:Exponentially by mlts · · Score: 1

      Here what it boils down to, IMHO: Will the racetrack memory provide enough addressable space, at a decent price, to allow Adobe and other large applications to run decently?

    2. Re:Exponentially by mlts · · Score: 2

      Correction, Adobe applications. It would be nice to be able to feed stuff large amounts of RAM addressable in nanoseconds, because it is a *lot* easier to throw more hardware at something than to get most vendors to tighten up their products.

    3. Re:Exponentially by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      At best, it will allow the current exponential growth to increase, exponentially.

    4. Re:Exponentially by Strange+Attractor · · Score: 1

      That's what annoyed me too. If one were proactive enough to shift the paradigm, how many exponential racetracks could one fit in the width of human hair?

    5. Re:Exponentially by sincewhen · · Score: 1

      Yep, it's like "exponentially" is the ultimate word to use.

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    6. Re:Exponentially by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      But how about even faster growing functions like factorial and the up arrows? When are we going to see an advert like this..

      "Whazzarop is a super technological breakthrough potentially enabling up arrows increase in computing performance."

  4. Moving Data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Eckert and Maunchly weren't too far off with mercury-tube memory in Univac.

    1. Re:Moving Data? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Eckert and Maunchly weren't too far off with mercury-tube memory in Univac.

      If only they had exponentiated to mercury-nano-tube memory. If they had used vacs in parallel as Univax.

  5. Not holding my breath by kheldan · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Racetrack memory is still years away from hitting the consumer market..

    In other words, maybe in the next 20 years, right?

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    1. Re:Not holding my breath by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, I'm getting too old for vaporware. Now I try only to pay attention to "on shelves now".

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    2. Re:Not holding my breath by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      "Years away" could mean as soon as 12 months. I can see not holding your breath, or even not fasting. You could at least, however, take a vow of chastity.

    3. Re:Not holding my breath by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Then why read Slashdot? The Best Buy circular in the Sunday paper is what you are looking for.

      I won't defend the rather confused writeup, but the research itself still sounds like genuine progress in a worthwhile area. Moore's Law, or rather the more general/important version that "computer stuff just keeps getting better," isn't a law of nature. Technology is moved forward a little at a time by just this type of research. And yes, most research goes nowhere. But the exceptions to that rule made the world what it is today.

    4. Re:Not holding my breath by geekoid · · Score: 1

      depends. I remember when perpendicular memory was 'years' aways. It came out 3 year latter.

      To be clear, I am talking about hearing it on /., not the Iwasaki(sp?) paper.

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    5. Re:Not holding my breath by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Then why read Slashdot? The Best Buy circular in the Sunday paper is what you are looking for.

      "Years away" could mean as soon as 12 months.

      Please avoid careless speculation.

      Wow, apparently "sarcasm" isn't spoken here, or at least you bozos don't understand it. Work on that then get back to me, k?

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    6. Re:Not holding my breath by Jaqenn · · Score: 1

      Do you mean vow of celibacy? Because vows of chastity are really not that uncommon.

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    7. Re:Not holding my breath by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Wow, apparently "sarcasm" isn't spoken here, or at least you bozos don't understand it. Work on that then get back to me, k?

      Why would one get back to you? It's not like your sarcasm is of a good quality or you have something interesting to add anyway.

      Now get back under the rock you sprang in the outer world and, for the God sake, pay for some tutoring in respect subjects if you can't learn them by yourself.

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    8. Re:Not holding my breath by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Go fuck yourself, asshole.

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  6. Racetrack by MarkRose · · Score: 1

    So it goes really fast, but the article left out the answer to the quintessential question: does it turn left?

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    1. Re:Racetrack by damien_kane · · Score: 2

      No, it's not an ambi-turner.

      Maybe someday, though, it may learn to, so that it can thwart the attempt on the Prime Minister of Malaysia's life.

    2. Re:Racetrack by TheL0ser · · Score: 1
      Of course it turns left. It always turns left.

      Right turns, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about.

    3. Re:Racetrack by demonbug · · Score: 1

      No, it's not an ambi-turner.

      Maybe someday, though, it may learn to, so that it can thwart the attempt on the Prime Minister of Malaysia's life.

      Fortunately it WILL help with the development of really teeny-tiny cell phones; so there's that.

    4. Re:Racetrack by Antisyzygy · · Score: 2

      Finally I will have a cellphone the size of a cricket.

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    5. Re:Racetrack by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 1

      Noisy Cricket

    6. Re:Racetrack by wootcat · · Score: 1

      You are assuming they are in the Northern Hemisphere.

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    7. Re:Racetrack by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      They already have those in Vietnam.

  7. Excuse My Skepticism by organgtool · · Score: 1

    While this technology sounds great, I have a feeling this is more than five years away. Hell, I'd be happy if IBM delivered on the holographic storage they've been promising for the past 15 years.

  8. Racetrack Memory? Again? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    Can I ask Slashdot to not post any more stories about Racetrack memory until something interesting happens with it? I've been hearing about it for years, but thus far it's all theoretical or early experimental work. Just like Bubble memory, by the time this actually works conventional memory may be faster and cheaper and it will end up on the sidelines of history.

    I'll be intrested when they have something like a DIMM form factor that is actually better than existing memory.

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  9. P = NP by drb226 · · Score: 2

    a new technology design which has the potential to exponentially increase computing power

    P = NP

    QED

  10. Seems fragile by denshao2 · · Score: 1

    I seriously doubt that such technology could be durable enough to handle more than a few hundred read/write operations.

  11. Hold on to your butts... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Instead of forcing a computer to seek out the data it needs, as traditional computing systems do, the information would automatically slide along the racetrack to where it could be used. The result: powerful and efficient computing.

    "Instead of forcing the computer to seek out data." (Meaning, at the address where it was stored?) "The data automatically slides to where it can be used." (Is the data omniscient?) "Powerful and efficient computing." (OK, perhaps w/regard to data retrieval.)

    I don't get it. Article needs more information, less hyperbole (ya, I know, this is /.) so it doesn't really seem like a Samuel L. Jackson moment.

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    1. Re:Hold on to your butts... by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that if your storage was one big racetrack the "address" of the bits you wanted correlates to the size of the pulse needed to "seek" it by a constant amount (this constant factor being the breakthrough discussd here). so if you want bit number 100 then simply pulse the memory 100*constant and it shows up on your sensor. No "seeking" flipping of transistors required

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  12. Re:Racetrack Memory? Again? by __aawbkb6799 · · Score: 2

    Can I ask Slashdot to not post any more stories ... until something interesting happens

    you must be new here. low ID aside.

  13. Five years by TopSpin · · Score: 3, Funny

    20 years

    Please avoid careless speculation. The SPI of racetrack memory, as with other microelectronic breakthroughs is five years.

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    1. Re:Five years by no1nose · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points +++

      Any idea what the SPI of flying cars is?

  14. Just warp the chip to bring the data closer by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    ...the information would automatically slide along the racetrack to where it could be used.

    Ahhh, bring the mountain to Mohammed...

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  15. Re:Racetrack Memory? Again? by windcask · · Score: 1

    I'll be intrested when they have something like a DIMM form factor that is actually better than existing memory.

    By the time this hits the market, we won't be using desktop computers anymore.You'll just hit a button on your cell phone and your monitor, keyboard and mouse will turn on and interface with it automatically.

    Bottom line is I don't think they'll bother making full-size components anymore; it'll be integrated-or-nothing by the time this technology arrives. We're certainly headed that way anyway.

  16. here's an idea by LodCrappo · · Score: 3, Funny

    why not connect the racetracks directly to the internet tubes. then the information could slide along the racetrack into a series of tubes and ultimately slide right into your own personal racetrack.

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    1. Re:here's an idea by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      The domains move at about 100 m/s. Light moves through an optical fiber at about 200,000,000 m/s. Assuming that your scheme was possible, it would represent a 2-million-fold increase in latency (at the physical layer). It would take a packet 12 hours to get from New York to Los Angeles, giving a round-trip time of about a day.

      Aside from the fact that it would be completely useless, it's also impossible. The internet is packet switched, not circuit based. There's almost never a complete, continuous "track" between a sender and a destination, although the sending to the loopback address is a significant exception.

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    2. Re:here's an idea by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      look, the internet is not a truck. you cannot just dump enormous amounts of material onto it.

      as long as I don't have to wait until Monday to get an internet I sent out on Friday, I don't see what the problem is.

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    3. Re:here's an idea by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Your facts do not in any way mitigate the tremendous WHOOOOSH.

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    4. Re:here's an idea by c0lo · · Score: 1

      why not connect the racetracks directly to the internet tubes. then the information could slide along the racetrack into a series of tubes and ultimately slide right into your own personal racetrack.

      I imagine the Pentagon and US State Dept would strongly object, even sue... and please think at the Swedish court and women population: do you think they'd be able to handle the entire inter-tubes connected population?

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    5. Re:here's an idea by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      Not every obviously stupid statement is a funny statement. Neither is every post that contains the phrase "series of tubes" hilarious. It only makes sense to imply that I missed the joke if there was a joke to miss.

      I contend there was nothing humorous. Can you point out anything in the original post that was funny?

      The post doesn't contain any puns, explicit mockery, surprise or elements with multiple interpretations, which are some basic aspects of humor. It might be argued that the post is so stupid that it is absurd, but there is no sophistication or incongruity in the proposal. Its author does nothing to invalidate the naive hypothesis that he is either ignorant or unintelligent.

      P.S. Congratulations on proving the existence of an unfunny post containing "a tremendous WHOOOOSH."

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    6. Re:here's an idea by Neuticle · · Score: 1

      Responding to jokes like Debbie Downer because you don't think they are funny does not add anything to the conversation. Responding, as you did, in perfect sincerity is worthy of a /. WHOOSH.

      Defending your post with a checklist of what a joke requires to be funny just makes you look even MORE stiff and grumpy. If you don't like /. humor, set your preferences to down-rank +funny mods or just scroll down.

      I'll give you the benefit of doubt though. We all have bad days. I've groaned at horrible jokes and typed out bitter responses only to be saved by the "cancel" button. I've also missed obvious jokes and written stuff so dumb I wish I could erase it. Preview and Cancel are my friends now.

      Now, if you'd signed your original post
      " - Debbie Downer"
      THAT would have been funny!

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    7. Re:here's an idea by Neuticle · · Score: 1

      For some reason, I read your original post in the voice of "Debbie Downer" and I actually thought you were being pretty darn funny.

      Then I read your response, and realized you are being serious.

      ...or ARE you?

      Maybe your sense of humor is overly-strict. Maybe you're just having a bad day. Maybe you're the next Andy Kaufman, goofing us all with a lecture on what makes jokes funny. I'm too tired to figure it out, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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    8. Re:here's an idea by LodCrappo · · Score: 1

      wow didnt notice there was such serious debate over whether my post was a joke or not.

      according to wikipedia, "A joke is a question, short story, or depiction of a situation made with the intent of being humorous".

      if this is an accurate definition, then my post is indeed a joke for the simple reason that I intended it to be humorous. Even if I failed, it's still a joke.

      suck it, Debbie Downer! happy new year!

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  17. Sounds a whole lot like bubble memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds a whole lot like bubble memory

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory

    I'd like to know how this differed.

  18. Yawn... by olsmeister · · Score: 2

    Here is a press release from a couple of years ago basically trumpeting the same thing. I think it is policy to recycle this every so often to prop up their stock price.

    1. Re:Yawn... by pasv · · Score: 1

      Here is a press release from a couple of years ago basically trumpeting the same thing. I think it is policy to recycle this every so often to prop up their stock price.

      You do have a valid point, the weekly view says it has been rising steadily since monday, but more than likely they made this "breakthrough" earlier and decided when to spit it as the stocks bottomed on a certain threshold. Just because the announcement was strategically planned does not mean that the breakthrough is any less real though.

    2. Re:Yawn... by bobdevine · · Score: 1

      Here is a press release from a couple of years ago basically trumpeting the same thing. I think it is policy to recycle this every so often to prop up their stock price.

      Exactly! It's the new "racetrack PR" where the same press release is continuously circulated and re-published every few quarters.

  19. Overpromise and underdeliver by overshoot · · Score: 2

    I'll be intrested when they have something like a DIMM form factor that is actually better than existing memory.

    I'll be happy enough when it's up to competing with rotating memory, which is a lot more likely.
    Serial memory is serial memory, and promising to replace Random Access Memory in latency-critical applications like main memory is just nonsense. Either the people putting out these claims are stupid or they think we are.

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    1. Re:Overpromise and underdeliver by evilWurst · · Score: 1

      I'll be happy enough when it's up to competing with rotating memory, which is a lot more likely. Serial memory is serial memory, and promising to replace Random Access Memory in latency-critical applications like main memory is just nonsense. Either the people putting out these claims are stupid or they think we are.

      You won't be asking to access the one bit at the end of a 8KB track (and stalling the CPU waiting for it). Modern chips move a whole line of cache at once - a whole 64 bytes for my current chip. And according to the wikipedia article on racetrack memory, the tracks are only 10-20 bits each - not terribly serial. If one track can be cycled around as fast as DRAM, then a bunch of tracks can be done in parallel to handle 64 bytes at once just as fast as DRAM. That's probably years away, but it's not as crazy as your instincts say it is.

  20. This is just bubble memory again by DCFusor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I guess the patent has finally run out on the original, which I played with in the early '70s for some military EE work I was doing then for a beltway bandit. Just a big bunch of shift registers moving magnetic "bubbles" or "domains" round and round. The thing had a (for the time) decent capacity and storage capability, for example, you could get just about floppy drive performance out of a chip (and some other parts to make all the clocks)....It was of course still far slower than the ram of the time.

    To this old fart, it looks the same, just a different way to fab the thing. But hey what do I know?

    One thing I do know. Current scientists aren't very well educated on what has gone before. About a year ago I saw the "breakthrough" development of a "plasma transistor" that I also had in a 1950's book on my shelf....happens pretty frequently these days. These guys are so specialized they don't even know the history of their own fields anymore, much less a broad history.

    Reminds me of Hari Seldon and "the galactic empire is crumbling" to be frank. Not even up to Heinlein standards!

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    1. Re:This is just bubble memory again by vlm · · Score: 1

      One thing I do know. Current scientists aren't very well educated on what has gone before.

      Computer scientists / IT people have the same problem. Nothing is really new. Personally I'm waiting for "implicit typing" to be in style again. Python whitespace is conceptually pretty close, probably why I find it repulsive.

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    2. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      Personally I'm waiting for "implicit typing" to be in style again.

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    3. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      You mean has had for 3 years now? And what is awful about it? Are you one of those people who confuse it with the old VARIANT of VB or dynamic typing like you find in Ruby, etc. Everything is still statically-typed, you just can avoid lots of noise by having to write the type explicitly.

    4. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      "Guessing"? Try rigorous type inference.

      Type inference is how languages like Haskell and Ocaml work, and no one seems to think they're "awful". You still get rigorous compile-time type checking, but with less horrible explicit casting and variable type declarations, which is *damn* nice when you're dealing with generics or lambdas.

    5. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Oh BS.

      Python's type checking is done at run-time, which is why it's so horrible (though it's better than the weak typing as present in Perl and Javascript... PS, I like both of those languages for various reasons, I just hate weak typing).

      Type inference as present in C#, Haskell, Ocaml, and others, is done at compile time, and so is perfectly safe. It just means the programmer can spend less time casting things, which is a huge pain in the ass in a strictly type language like C#, particularly when you throw generics and lambdas into the mix.

    6. Re:This is just bubble memory again by diskofish · · Score: 1

      I think they added that for Linq. While it's useful for Linq statements, it isn't the best practice to use it anywhere else imo.

      FWIW, the compiler doesn't "guess" at the type. The type is determined by the type of the first value assigned to it, so a statement like var test = null is not valid, but var test = new object(); would be.

    7. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      Oh BS.

      My post wasn't being serious...

      Type inference as present in C#, Haskell, Ocaml, and others, is done at compile time, and so is perfectly safe. It just means the programmer can spend less time casting things, which is a huge pain in the ass in a strictly type language like C#, particularly when you throw generics and lambdas into the mix.

      Gee no shit? It's almost like I already posted that.

    8. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      I think they added that for Linq. While it's useful for Linq statements, it isn't the best practice to use it anywhere else imo.

      No, the var keyword was added to support anonymous classes. It has nothing to do with LINQ.

    9. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Hah, didn't notice the author of the post, just the (intentionally) dumbass response. My bad. :)

    10. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      That's cool. :)

    11. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I assume you meant anonymous delegates, and in particular, the deliciously terse-yet-expressive new (well, to me... my company *just* switched to VS 2k10, with its new compiler, in the last couple months) lambda syntax, that manages to make things like List.Find() not totally suck...

    12. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      Now to further clarify, select statements can return results that are anonymous classes that would require the usage of var, but var in and of itself has no ties to LINQ. And it is perfectly fine to use it outside of just the domain of anonymous classes.

    13. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      No, I mean anonymous types. Things as simple as:

      var v = new { Amount = 108, Message = "Hello" };

    14. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Huh, I'll be damned, I didn't realize that existed (probably because I've never played with LINQ). I'm also not sure how I feel about it, but it's certainly... interesting. It also seems like a very niche feature, unless I'm missing something (specifically, it appears said feature is primarily used in LINQ as a mechanism for returning rows from a query).

      Certainly type inference seems *far* more useful, to me, in the context of generics and lambdas (and certainly *not* limited to just LINQ). But being a (very poor) functional programming guy, that's probably just my own bias showing.

    15. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Desler · · Score: 1

      Yes, in most cases you are going to be using them with LINQ, but they are also useful if you just want to create a type in a block of code without needing some formal class definition. That's not broadly useful, but I've done it a number of times where I work.

    16. Re:This is just bubble memory again by geekoid · · Score: 2

      The break through isn't the technology, it's how they are going about it, or certain aspects of the technology. Like, does a domain have mass.

      Seriously, you need to to think a bit more. It's like someone finding a away to make better rubber tires and all you can say is 'Tires? hell those where around 100 years ago, this isnt new at all. I guess these scientist don't know their history."

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    17. Re:This is just bubble memory again by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Speaking of history repeating itself...I'm buying gold while it still has a way to go before it peaks!

      Interesting... I'm doing the same with history.

    18. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2

      To this old fart, it looks the same, just a different way to fab the thing. But hey what do I know?

      It is the same thing, but the scale is far different, with much the same consequences as going from discrete transistors to nanoscale transistors etched on silicon, i.e., it can (theoretically) store more data and retrieve it faster.

      About a year ago I saw the "breakthrough" development of a "plasma transistor" that I also had in a 1950's book on my shelf...

      I know what you mean. I was going through a mass-market encyclopedia of science from the 1960's the other day, and stumbled across an article promising that holographic memory was right around the corner.

      To be fair, though, the basic principles of most of the technology we use today were discovered decades, sometimes centuries, before their current applications. Most of the time, several technologies have to reach a certain stage of development before any of them can be given practical applications, and even then, if there's no demand for the technology at the time, it can sit on the shelf even longer. Lasers, for example, were greeted by yawns when they were first invented ("Great, it's a visible-light maser. So what?"), but now most people own multiple laser-containing devices, in addition to their use as pointers and cat toys.

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    19. Re:This is just bubble memory again by lgw · · Score: 1

      C++0X adds the same thing, re-using the auto keyword, and of course there's no connection to linq there. C++'s problem was that the standard library clases were ending up with type names so long no one wanted to type them!

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    20. Re:This is just bubble memory again by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 1

      Python whitespace is conceptually pretty close, probably why I find it repulsive.

      Python whitespace in a nutshell: Indent your code as always. Next, don't bother with any brace brackets because you're done.

      Why this bothers anybody is utterly beyond me. On the other hand, when I write C these days I sometimes wonder why I have to babysit the compiler by entering a bunch of brace brackets when the indentation is already there showing the code structure plain as a day.

    21. Re:This is just bubble memory again by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      A book on your shelf?

      If it's not on the Internet, it doesn't exist.

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    22. Re:This is just bubble memory again by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Why this bothers anybody is utterly beyond me.

      By itself it doesn't bother me, even feels natural.
      But on occasion it causes headaches. For example, I often use gtalk to pass small code snippets to colleague developers. The annoying thing with gtalk is that is eats leading whitespace. For C-like snippets you can just reformat the code. With Python code, this obviously doesn't work. The same thing sometimes happens on other occasions, for example while posting Python code on the web.
      Also, mixing tabs and spaces for indenting can sometimes produce code that looks to do one thing, but does something completely different (especially if tab size is variable).
      Copying code from a file/colleague that uses a different indentation style is another headaache.
      These things can be worked around, but they're annoying non the less.

  21. Anything that will foil the evil cloud!!! by MarkvW · · Score: 2

    If I can carry around all my data in a little pod, then all I'll need is access to input and output devices.

    That would be far out. Thanks IBM, for the neat science fiction story of the day!

  22. Racetrack memory isn't something new... by the_rajah · · Score: 2

    I worked on magnetic bubble memory at T.I. in the Dallas corporate research labs back in the mid-70s and it used a "racetrack" architecture where magnetic bubbles (domains) were stored in very long shift registers with the shifting accomplished by rotating magnetic fields. I hope it does better this time around.

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  23. What happens if by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2

    I watch car races on TV for the same reason most people do. To see the crashes. What happens if the data in these memory chips fails to make the turn? Getting implaled by ones and zeros doesn't sound like much fun. I'm just glad we're not using Roman Numerals, because those dots on the i's flying about, and those x's look a lot like those Japanese surikans, and those L's winging around like boomerangs.

    Just how safe are we?

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  24. Bubble Memory by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for my holographic bubble memory cubes.

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  25. And run on a single battery charge for weeks... by tunapez · · Score: 1

    Riiight. I welcome our long-lasting, battery powered overlords...if they ever transcend marketing fiction and appear IRL.

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  26. 1950s mercury acoustic delay lines by peter303 · · Score: 1

    before magnetic disks and tapes were perfected

  27. I'm not an engineer, but... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    I read this:

    Racetrack memory works by storing data as magnetic regions (also called domains), which would be transported along nanowire "racetracks." Instead of forcing a computer to seek out the data it needs, as traditional computing systems do, the information would automatically slide along the racetrack to where it could be used."

    And I'm focused on the word "automatically". Um, so racetrack memory is clairvoiant? No, it appears to be a FIFO method. So it appears "automatically" when it's time for it to appear. The 'seek time' is the speed of the loop. Sort of like watching your favorite race car coming down the stretch. The rest of the time, it's circulating. You get to see it "automatically" when it completes a lap, though RM apparently doesn't use a loop, so it shuttles the bits back and forth on a wire. The more I understand this, the more "automatically" becomes so much oversimplification.

    Whatever, they didn't have to make it sound cooler than it already is.

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    1. Re:I'm not an engineer, but... by oracleofbargth · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the tape in a Turing machine. They accelerate the data in one direction or the other, and can modify it when they stop.

  28. Re:Racetrack Memory? Again? by geekoid · · Score: 2

    This was interesting. Determining whether or not the domains has mass is very exciting.

    Just because you only care about crap that you can buy doesn't mean others aren't interested in scientific breakthroughs.

    The pre-millennium jandrese called, he want's to know why you killed his curiosity.

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  29. IBM made a breakthrough? by dlb · · Score: 1

    I didnt realize they were still in the business of developing new stuff.

    Seems the core of their business is acquiring other technology companies, and injecting red tape and excess bureaucracy into other enterprises through proliferation of their "Architectural Thinking" workshops.

    1. Re:IBM made a breakthrough? by ziggyzaggy · · Score: 1

      eh? who makes the machines that hold and move money? who makes the machines that do the CADD / CAE / CAM for the military industrial complex? Those ain't wintel boxes, m'boy....

    2. Re:IBM made a breakthrough? by dlb · · Score: 1

      IBM's hardware is just a continuation of what they developed in the 70's. Same with as400/iseries.
      AIX was acquired. Lotus was acquired. Tivoli was acquired. The Websphere suite is a thinly veiled attempt to rebrand free software. (I'm talking to you "IBM HTTP Server")

      Their last gasp of true innovation was OS/2, and they managed to screw that one up.

      IBM is just a bunch of mediocre consultants and middle management now.

    3. Re:IBM made a breakthrough? by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Summary:
      IBM's *hardware* is not innovative, so here's a bunch of examples showing their more recent *software* was all bought in from elsewhere.

      Have a look at some of IBM's massive collection of hardware patents (disc, memory, processor, IO, whatever).

    4. Re:IBM made a breakthrough? by ziggyzaggy · · Score: 1

      no, IBM just has some divisions that do the (very profitable) mediocre stuff. They're a business. They are still leaders in R&D in physics (solid state, quantum computing and cryptography, optics, etc.), computer hardware (disk, memory, networking, storage, systems architecture, fabrication), ... what a silly narrow point of view you must have, maybe you have an IBM managerial consultant in your cube farm?

  30. Re:Racetrack Memory? Again? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    The domain mass thing is somewhat interesting, but the whole story is about how Racetrack memory is going to be totally awesome in the future because mumble mumble. A link to the paper about the magnetic domain experiments would have gone over much better IMHO.

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  31. Re:Why Read Slashdot by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I read it more for the corporate-mood stories, following who's deciding what on existing tech. For things like the Ubuntu Unity announcement, I note that as like a calendar date to revisit in the future to see if it still happens, and if it does, to pay attention then.

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  32. Link to publication in Science by perlith · · Score: 2
    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/330/6012/1810.abstract

    Courtesy of a better writeup at:
    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202379/IBM_s_racetrack_memory_moves_closer_to_the_checkered_flag?taxonomyId=147

    In a paper published in the Dec. 24 issue of Science Magazine, the IBM researchers report that domain walls have mass and do indeed take a bit of time to speed up to peak velocity, and to slow down. Knowing this, they'll be able to move and retrieve data on a racetrack trip accurately. There's still a lot of work to be done before racetrack becomes a reality, but according to Parkin, the biggest questions -- whether an electric charge would move these domain walls, and whether or not they have mass -- have now been answered. Now the problems are more practical and less theoretical: how do you build a racetrack chip that works reliably with millions or even billions of these racetracks, for example. "Those are the questions that we can only address by building prototypes and testing them for a period of time," Parkin said.

    And the official IBM press release:
    https://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/press/us/en/pressrelease/33291.wss


    I see more data center utilization for this technology rather than consumer devices. Be nice if I could get a home NAS on one of these in 5-10 years.

  33. A serious question, by geekprime · · Score: 1

    So what's the difference between this and the old TI bubble memory concept?

  34. More info by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    Sounds promising but would like a lot more information. I doubt they could give out more info at this time due to competitors looking into their type of racetrack memory right away. With the limitation of solid state drives, we need a breakthrough in some form or fashion.

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  35. Y X my ass by drcheap · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    This device, the magnetic race-track, is a powerful storage-class memory which promises a solid state memory with the cost and storage capacities rivaling that of magnetic disk drives..."

    In otherwords, new technology Y to replace technology X will give results >= X and cost = X. I've heard that marketing mumojumbo way too many times, especially for Ys that don't exist yet. Show me just one storage technology that has come out in the past 30 years that makes that a true statement. I dare you.

  36. Reminds me of a very old technology... by Goonie · · Score: 1

    Delay line memory.

    Completely different form of energy, of course.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of a very old technology... by kriegs · · Score: 1

      Exactly. you beat me to the punch... we used Delay Lines in KEYPUNCH machines like the IBM 5496 data recorder... seems like an update of that with new magnetics.

  37. Re:Y X my ass by drcheap · · Score: 1

    Damn, forgot to use the ampersand-l-t-semicolon to show a < for cost <= X. Oh well, you get the idea.

  38. IBM R&D by JamJam · · Score: 1

    Didn't RTFA to know this: At least IBM is still doing R&D, and has been for quite some time. That is usually the first budget item to be slashed in economic downturns and I am grateful that big blue (notice not capital B on those) is still doing it's part to better our computing environment. On a personal note I joined a banking company years ago, one of the reasons was because they had an R&D division (not to date myself but that was the Windows NT era). That was an early goal of mine to strive towards that division plus I liked the philosophy of the company that had a R&D aspect - you can grow your core business while still pursuing (chasing?) something big. As good or as bad as IBM is, it is still in the R&D game while living off, correct me if I'm wrong, it's mainframe fortunes.

  39. Will some please explain this racetrack memory by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

    in the form of a car analogy?

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  40. Memristors anyone? by Twinbee · · Score: 1

    How does racetrack memory compare to that other favourite - the memristor? What are the main disadvantages/advantages of either?

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  41. Re:With all due respect: That's bullcrap by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    Did you notice your examples are mainly aimed at developers? Now, about proprietary end user applications, we have mainly the MS line: Windows 7 is better than Vista, but still slower than XP, Office only gets slower; Adobe line: Acrobat reader is a classic of bloatness, Photoshop wasn't that bad the last time I saw it, but it wasn't this century; Nero: getting slower every time, ditto for the big antivirus suites; Browsers: all of them seem to be geting slower, except for Javascript, that is only aparent (they are slower because they are doing way more things), so, they are the exception; And that is pretty much it. Those applications are what most people use and see.

  42. misleading and meaningless by K10W · · Score: 1

    "run on single battery" is misleading as they don't specify cell chemistry or density. It could be an industrial style cell with ultra high density but many will probably think in terms of a single commonly available commercial cell like alkaline primaries or something. Even then they may mean pack of cells since many act like mobile phones, cameras, flashlights, laptops and so on run off a single Li cell when in fact those packs are comprised of multiple single cells of some kind of rechargable Li chemistry (such as ion, LiFe, poly, LiCo and so on). The other thing is even if it was off a single cell (eg. small but high capacity regular commecial cell such as an 18650) then we're talking about running the memory alone and plenty of present day appliances manage to run memory off such small amounts of power too. Even if we compare it to regular comp memory which has low power requirement (mine uses 2.5v) and doesn't draw that many amps really it isn't much different although it's not quite few weeks on single cell level admittedly, under load at least.