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Sony Planning Serial Keys For PS3 Games?

Posted by Soulskill on from the keep-digging-that-hole dept.

Stoobalou writes "Rumor has it that Sony is looking to the PC games market to help solve its growing piracy problem on the PlayStation 3 — with the introduction of serial keys to its games. According to 'a very reliable source' quoted by PS3-Sense, Sony is attempting to address the recent revelation that it failed to properly secure the private signing key for its flagship console — leading to clever tinkerers producing third-party firmware that allows unofficial software and illegitimately downloaded games to run on unmodified hardware — by looking to the PC retail market for solutions. Unlike the PS3, the PC doesn't have a hardware DRM system built in to it — despite attempts by groups like the Trusted Computing Group, formerly the Trusted Computer Platform Alliance, to introduce such a thing — relying instead on software-based DRM and a surprisingly old-fashioned guarantee of a game's uniqueness: a serial key."

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  1. Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:

    Printed on the product's packaging, the key is a unique identifier that promises that the game is the real deal - and usually verifies itself with an online server

    So in order to play disc games you're going to require an internet connection?

    And, just as speculation, wouldn't it be possible for someone to figure out what the server is sending the gaming console as an acknowledgment code and then setup a local area network that directs the PS3's requests to that IP address to connect to your own computer and send the same key acknowledgment notification? Sure, it's more work but history has shown that just means a little more time.

    This just seems implausible and ineffective on so many levels ...

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    1. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This just seems implausible and ineffective on so many levels ...

      Unfortunately that is often not sufficient to prevent a given DRM scheme from being implemented.

    2. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by andymadigan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That workaround is the simplest one for DRM to avoid. Burn a public key into the game, have the game generate a random number and send it to the server, the server must respond with that random number, signed using the private key that matches the public key in the game.

      Of course, Sony doesn't seem to be competent when it comes to RSA... and there's still the fact that you should be able to modify the software to remove the DRM.

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    3. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This just seems implausible and ineffective on so many levels ...

      This is going to be a total disaster. Console gamers have enjoyed instant on convenience, game sharing/lending/selling, and in general a concrete certainty that the disc they hold in their hands is guaranteed to work on any console without a hitch. You cannot turn around and change all that overnight without seriously ruffling feathers. Console gamers will expect these features implicitly--it's tradition!

      A recent game, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, came with a one time serial code which could be used to obtain downloadable content. Lots of console players simply didn't bother. The concept of typing in this alpha-numeric hieroglyph, originally designed for commercial office software, was simply alien to them. It goes beyond intelligence or capability, and enters the realm of culture and society. Console gamers simply don't work this way. This move is taking Sony into three shells territory.

      This isn't going to fly. This is going to crash and burn. I foresee droves of console gamers being driven to console hacking by this move. The smart option is simply to place more focus on downloadable titles, content and network features in title, incentiveising people to stay on PSN, and not bother with all that complicated geek stuff. But when it comes to consumer relations, Sony never misses an opportunity to miss and opportunity.

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    4. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by zegota · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is false. Games that require a certain firmware include the firmware on the disk.

    5. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (I originally wrote this article for the PC Gaming Alliance article posted this morning... but since it's relevant to this discussion too I think I'll just copy and paste it again into this thread ;-)

      People keep harping about how useless DRM is against preventing piracy. And this is undeniably true; at best it might slow down people from copying games, but often not even that. So why, everyone wonders, do companies still insist on wasting resources, losing money, programmers, even loyal customers on a boondoggle that has been proven to be ineffective?

      Because DRM is no longer only about stopping piracy. It has oh-so-many other advantages.

      1) It kills second-hand sales.

      2) It enables forced obsolescence (kill the registration servers and you can't play the game anymore)

      3) It ensures a one-title, one machine policy. Own a lap-top AND a desktop? You can't play the game on both.

      4) Online activation requires a user to be online and transmit data to the publisher. You can use this to collect valuable demographic info (also, since the customer has to be online anyway, you might as well push advertisements down his way to earn even more cash!)

      5) It slowly pushes users to become more accepting of service-based licenses (e.g., subscription gaming) instead of single-sales.

      6) It reassures investors that the publisher is protecting their property.

      That it might have some minimal effect on slowing illegal copying of games is just an added bonus at this point. It's less a way of preventing piracy at this point as it is of maximizing the publisher's income. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon, no matter how much the customers hate it.

    6. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      The only thing that will stop DRM is if people stop buying crap (yes CRAP) with DRM. We geezers did it in the late eighties; DRM on games disappeared entirly. Do you young folks have the balls? I'm guessing "no".

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    7. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wouldn't it be possible for someone to figure out what the server is sending the gaming console as an acknowledgment code and then setup a local area network that directs the PS3's requests to that IP address to connect to your own computer and send the same key acknowledgment notification?

      For gorram's sake, just buy the damn game and be done with it.

    8. Re:Doesn't This Require an Internet Connection? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is going to be a total disaster. Console gamers have enjoyed instant on convenience, game sharing/lending/selling, and in general a concrete certainty that the disc they hold in their hands is guaranteed to work on any console without a hitch. You cannot turn around and change all that overnight without seriously ruffling feathers. Console gamers will expect these features implicitly--it's tradition!

      A recent game, Assassin's Creed:Brotherhood, came with a one time serial code which could be used to obtain downloadable content. Lots of console players simply didn't bother. The concept of typing in this alpha-numeric hieroglyph, originally designed for commercial office software, was simply alien to them. It goes beyond intelligence or capability, and enters the realm of culture and society. Console gamers simply don't work this way. This move is taking Sony into three shells territory.

      Actually, I credit Sony for the computerization of the console. Think about what Sony's done so far.

      After all, some PS3 games need to be installed (and it's a real installation, not like the 360's "copy to hard disk" feature. You can't play without installing). And those installers present you a nice EULA that you have to agree to.

      This is just furthering the cause - now you have to enter in your key code, just like a PC.

      My guess is that Sony's trying to make the PS4 one of their Vaio PCs - hey, PS3 gamers are used to installing games, agreeing to EULAs and entering codes, let's made the next-gen console a PC!

  2. Rentals? by ryanw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lame.. what about game rentals or taking it over to a friends house to play for a few hours? NO way..

    1. Re:Rentals? by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Be sure to thank Geohotz for this.

      If you cheered his 'liberation' of the PS3 you can't really be unhypocratically mad about Sony's response.

      Um, yes I can, because there are plenty of content producers and distributors who don't punish their customers in ANY WAY for buying their products, pirates-be-damned.

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    2. Re:Rentals? by countSudoku() · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullocks! He is a hacker hero. Period. Sony is not out to make things easier for consumers, and good people like George undo the shitheadednessness of assholes like Sony. The more you accept draconian DRM, as well as pure root kit nonsense, that Sony forces you to swallow, the more they take your freedom to do with your hardware whatever you want. I no longer buy Sony or Apple products because of bullshit like this. Also, do NOT subscribe me to your newsletter as you are consumer unfriendly, a possible DRM sympathizer, and as AC put it a "noncompoop."

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    3. Re:Rentals? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is just an added bonus. Why allow someone to own a physical object when you can license its use to them instead. Every resale of a physical object is the loss of a first hand sale at full price. Personal ownership is a threat to corporate profit. Imagine the chaos if people had the same rights as corporations?

    4. Re:Rentals? by pcolaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a feeling it's partially about piracy, and partially about the used game market. They want a bigger piece of the pie, so they want to make it much harder or impossible for gamers to trade in games and buy used games.

  3. Real Old School by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Enter the 5th word from page 35 of the instruction manual." Or maybe like SimCity which had the list of codes that couldn't be photocopied.

  4. Why is this even here?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    When did rumors perpetuated by 4chan become news?? Someone posted this on 4chan a couple of days ago. Then it showed up on PS3-Sense and now it's on slashdot.

    Lots of trolling going on....

    1. Re:Why is this even here?? by adolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the future, after conventional media and the concept of a reporter both die of attrition (along with any remaining shreds of journalistic integrity), all "news" will be bloggers blogging about rumors found on blogs. And 4chan.

      This article is merely an indication that we're still moving along the path to that eventuality.

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  5. I really wish people would tell Sony to fuck off. by seeker_1us · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I stopped buying their stuff after the rootkit thing. By buying their stuff, people are only supporting the abuse that Sony seems to feel entitled to heap on its loyal customers.

  6. it's like sony wants the x-box to win by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    first kinect outsells the Move by 2 to 1 or more. now they have this plan to drive even more people to Microsoft. i have both and only game on my x-box. i was actually going to buy a PS3 game yesterday, but decided against it at the last minute. crazy systems like this will mean i'll just stick to my x-box

    why would anyone put up with this?

  7. Re:console developers are idiots by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    so how do you exactly play Dance Central without Kinect? press the buttons on the controller to move? the fun is moving your body and trying to learn the moves.

    same with the music games. few weeks ago i found a $15 drum set on sale and bought rock band, guitar hero and some track packs. total cost around $50. how would i play the music games without the instrument add ons? the whole fun factor is to replicate the air guitar/drums that people play when listening to music

  8. And here are the keys... by Maltheus · · Score: 3, Informative

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  9. Re:Oh this is going to be popular... by mike260 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    PS3 games are already spectacularly inconvenient, often requiring 30 minutes or more of downloading, patching, installing and firmware-updating before letting me actually play the game I just bought. Having to type in a serial via gamepad would be the least of it.

  10. Re:don't buy consoles by Shados · · Score: 3, Informative

    My video card is quiet, cost me 110$ 3 years ago and play most games on high settings, including garbage console ports. I do have most consoles of this generation (both portable and not), and i like them better than PC for gaming, but for other reasons. This isn't 2002 anymore. You don't need a powerful PC to game, and upgrades are often unnecessary. (Heck, it looks like my Nintendo DS will have to be upgraded more frequently than my computer to get all the bells and whistles, between the DSi for the store and now the 3DS for newer games)

  11. Dear Sony... by Rinnon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In any market, it is always advisable to be aware of what your competition is doing so that you can make sure you are offering a superior, or at least non-inferior, experience. Allowing your competition to stay leaps and bounds ahead of you in any market is a sure fire way to flush your business down the toilet! So who is your competition? Microsoft, and PIRACY. Yes, that's right, Piracy is a competitor, and don't you ever think otherwise. It's a competing distribution method that is cheaper and in some ways more convenient. Hope you have some great plans up your sleeve to prove that buying games is the most hassle free way to go; That buying games gets you a BETTER product!

    Let's take a look at what the you and your competition are up to shall we... oh, it looks like none of you require a constant Internet connection to play games, so you're all on the same page there. Wait, what? You WANT to introduce that? Won't that put you in a WORSE position than your competitors on the level of convenience offered by your product? What if people have flaky Internet, or god forbid, NO Internet! Fuck them you say? Oh, well, okay. I'm going to have to deduct you a few points for that one.

    Let's see... no one has CD key's either, so that's nice... wait, WHAT again!? You actually WANT to introduce these!? What if people lose their keys, or want to rent video games before buying? Fuck them you say? Welllll okay, it's YOUR business Sony. Of course, I'm going to have to deduct more points yet again...

    You know Sony, you're not really selling me on why I want to buy from you here. What? Fuck me you say? You know, I'll remember that.