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The Matrix Re-Reloaded
derGoldstein writes "According to Keanu Reeves: ' Matrix 4 and 5 are coming.' At an event that took place at the London International School of Performing Arts, 'Reeves revealed that he met with the Wachowskis around Christmas. They told him that they completed script treatments for two more Matrix installments. They are planning to make the films in 3D and have already met with James Cameron to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the technology. Reeves added that he's excited to return as Neo and promised that the treatments will truly revolutionize the action genre like the first Matrix film did.'"
Just...no. Stop it right now. Stop before something bad happens.
For the love of the great fire cactus.
Sad thing is, even though most people equate the two existing sequels to the experience of having a lightly chilled olive fork rammed into your eye this movie will get its audience. The first matrix was just that damn good that they can keep cranking out shitty sequels and people will watch them, knowing full well that they are going to suck.
Matrix 4: Scene: City streets
Neo and gang fight and shoot up the place.
Hot chick with pushup bra kisses Neo, Trinity looks disgusted.
More fighting and shooting.
Matrix 5: Scene: City streets
Neo and gang fight and shoot up the place.
Hot chick with pushup bra kisses Neo, Trinity looks disgusted.
More fighting and shooting.
Matrix 1 was a revolution. Bullet time was new and exciting, the whole "green rayban tint" throughout the movie gave it an eerie air (seriously, put on Raybans in the night, presto Matrix feeling), mix in hacker and kung-fu elements and presto instant geek movie.
The second was a weak copy (seriously, the alleged original script was better). The third was ... let's not talk about it, ok?
If they want to be revolutionary again, it has to offer more than "IN THREE DEE". This feature got very stale very fast, being too overused already after not even two years of existence.
Also, how do you want to continue this story? The rise of the machines again? Or are we going to get a moral story about how humans and machines should coexist, even more of a snorer than the third?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I don't need my stories handed to me on a silver platter, but the level of alternate meaning you're suggesting would require far more obvious clues to be believable for me.
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Now, if we could just get them to hire you to write it, I'd be more optimistic. Whoever wrote 2&3 should under no account be allowed to write 4 & 5.
Just my $0.02 worth
The Digital Sorceress
I wouldn't count the Harry potter kids since it's a series of books. It would be like saying Elijah Wood was a sequel whore because of LotR.
Dont forget that Mr Reeves can also make charitable donations instead of paying some of his taxes.
How is that pertinent? Charitable donations are a deduction, not a credit, which means that don't pay his taxes, they just reduce his effective income. Which makes sense; you don't get taxed on charity. And that's true of everyone; anyone can do this.
No, no, no.....
The first was "Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure", while the second was "Bill and Teds Bogus Journey"
Clearly, there isn't a "2" in the second title. Additionally, a sequel to an excellent adventure would be another excellent adventure. The second B&T movie was a bogus journey, which is the converse of an excellent adventure.
If anything, "Bill and Teds Bogus Journey" is an anti-sequel.....with death, aliens and robots.
"Lame" - Galaxar
The really depressing thing about that is that the earlier script drafts had the humans' brains being used as a parallel computing engine for running AIs. They switched to the nonsensical power idea because they didn't think that people would understand it. Of course, the 'combined with a kind of fusion' line made it seem even more bizarre, like someone saying 'combined with standing an an 747, flapping your arms will let you fly across the atlantic'.
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PLEASE erase this post before someone from Hollywood reads it. PLEASE.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
"The reason people hated it was because people who like physics based sci-fi are not comfortable with meta-physics and fantasy sci-fi..."
The idea of an ultra-sophisticated system able to enslave the human race that can only be defeated by virtual-reality karate fighting was what did it for me.
The reason people hated it was because people who like physics based sci-fi are not comfortable with meta-physics and fantasy sci-fi or at least don't like it when expecting one and get served the other.
I disagree. People didn't dislike the sequels because of the metaphysics and fantasy elements, but because it was an incoherent mess that took random elements of various religions and mythologies, threw them all into a blender and turned them into an undigestable pinkish-grey loaf of eschatological babble.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
I hated the first movie because it tried to present some sort of metaphysical philosophy to it, which was nothing new compared to Dark City, Bladerunner, Ghost in the Shell, etc.. (in fact, it was originally inspired by Ghost in the shell). Nice special FX, but no new ideas.
When the second and third installments came out, i figured out that it WASN'T meant to be a preachy philosophical rant, and that it was only meant to lightly touch on the various ideas, as if you were going through a Philosophy 101 class, or shopping at a mall of Philosophy. Instead, it used anime inspiration as a vehicle for creating a just plain kick-ass action trilogy - a bit of existential philosophy from Ghost in the Shell, futuristic motorcycle racing like Akira, giant drilling machines attacking underground cities like Neon Genesis, high-flying fighting like Dragonball Z, and so much more.
It wasn't meant to be taken as seriously as all the nerds took it. It was a light-hearted anime series in 3 movies. That is all.
That's why the whole series was so brilliant.
If you wanted a single philosophical narrative, there are plenty of other traditional, non-edgy sci-fi movies for that.
The reason people hated it was because people who like physics based sci-fi are not comfortable with meta-physics and fantasy sci-fi or at least don't like it when expecting one and get served the other.
You guys keep talking about the philosophy in the movies, and don't seem to touch base on the films themselves. As far as I am concerned, they were just poorly made films. What about the fact that the plot started making no sense? That from one scene to the next, it became difficult to follow the motivations of any of the characters? That concepts were introduced that had no grounding in anything the viewer already knew, but we're expected to understand anyways. The increasingly arbitrary plot points were harder and harder to get behind. It became more of a chore to understand why Neo did the things he did, or why some of it even mattered. What about the fact that the main "bad guy" from the first movie made a reappearance against all logic, just because he would be a recognizable character, that we already know is bad?
How about the pacing? Between all these arbitrary plot points was a lot of fighting that didn't always make sense. I mean, obviously they are fighting because that guy punched Neo, but beyond that, it's just a fight scene. There is such a thing as an action scene taking TOO long. The Matrix 1 was impressive because they did so much with so little. A simple dodging a bullet shot taken with still cameras was a cultural icon for years to come. A motorcycle chase that went on too long just got boring.
The reason I hated Matrix 2 and 3 had nothing to do with metaphysics, and everything to do with the fact that as films, they were poorly made. In my opinion: they tried too hard to capture what made the Matrix 1 great, and ended up ruining it.