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Pope Promotes Christian Netiquette

angry tapir writes "Pope Benedict XVI Monday gave his blessing to social networking, urging Catholic Internet users to adopt a respectful Christian netiquette when spreading the Gospel online. The pope said new technologies were creating unprecedented opportunities for establishing relationships and building fellowship but warned against creating false online profiles out of vanity or diluting the Christian message to achieve popularity."

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  1. The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Seumas · · Score: 0, Troll

    I can't think of anyone on the planet from whom I could care less about their opinion or thoughts on *anything*. It'd be fantastic if we stopped treating him like some elected politician. And, if he were, I certainly wouldn't give to shits of credit to someone who can't even oblige the REAL WORLD etiquette of not covering up the rape of children.

    And yeah, you can mark me a troll for all I fucking care.

    1. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by GKThursday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, he was elected. . .linkity, and he is the head of the Catholic Church, so he does have the authority to remind Catholics to behave online. As for the other ad-hominems, I'll just leave them alone.

    2. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Believe me I agree with you.

      Personally, I don't give a fuck about the Pope says.
      However, what he says affects me because there are many people around me that DO give a fuck about what he says.

      Sadly, this makes the words of the Pope relevant news.

    3. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vatican City is an independent country. He is its Head of State by virtue of being elected Pope. So, he is an elected politician and a head of state. just because you disagree with the basic premise of his State and his authority doesn't make it go away, so deal with it. I'm not Catholic, I don't give a crap what he has to say either, but I'm not bitter that he's saying it. Its not like anyone who can affect my life actual listens to him, like Pat Robertson and his so-called "Christian Coalition" bullshit.

    4. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by h00manist · · Score: 1

      it's true that the more corrupt the things you say and the more fools listen, the more likely you are to make the news. Unfortunate, but reality. Lots of other influential people are chosen through even less direct methods, such as the managers of companies and judges. And whether we like it or not, about a billion people listen to what he says and pay some form of attention, so it's relevant, whether we agree or not. While a corporate talking head or a dictator gets media time, this fool will most likely get the same.

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    5. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by h00manist · · Score: 0

      Iran's president was elected too. Illegitimate election is still an election.

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    6. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by operagost · · Score: 1

      I couldn't care less about your opinion, either.

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    7. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by geekoid · · Score: 2

      You should care, billion people respond to what he says, and their action can impact you in some pretty serious ways.

      I don't like the church, but that doesn't mean I am not aware of it's impact.

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    8. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Well, I care. And yes Seumas, today you're trolling* and should be modded down as such.

      not one to cast stones, I've done it myself before

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    9. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      " So, he is an elected politician and a head of state"
      Head of a state whose constituents are in other countries.

      "s not like anyone who can affect my life actual listens to him, "

      Oh really? Believers are everywhere and they will use their belief to dictate how you live. In schools, in government, in the work place.

      Pay attention because of a religious leader comes out and says something against 'people like you' your life will be in immediate impacted.

      Ever Vigilant.

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    10. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And Iran's election was at least representative. When you look at the way the Pope is elected, you'll quickly notice that it doesn't even make fake attempts at resembling democracy.

      The Pope is elected by the cardinals. Which are in turn appointed by the Pope. There's nothing any "ordinary" catholic contributes to that election.

      Just a gentle reminder that "elected" doesn't necessarily mean that the process has anything to do with what we consider Democracy.

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    11. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Americano · · Score: 1

      Yeah, find me a Catholic under the age of 40 who refuses to eat meat on a Friday during Lent, and who goes to church every Sunday.

      The Pope has far less direct influence over the actions of most Catholics than you seem to think.

    12. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      The pope just said, "Don't isolate yourself, don't be a dick, and try not to make us look bad online."

      You have a problem with that!? I'm an Atheist, and I know Benedict's incredibly regressive stance on a lot of things, his involvement with covering up pedophile priests, and so on and so on.

      Even I can get behind this. jeez.

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    13. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Iran's election was at least representative. When you look at the way the Pope is elected, you'll quickly notice that it doesn't even make fake attempts at resembling democracy.

      That's because, while the Vatican is recognized as a nation state, the Roman Catholic Church is not. Of course, the upside of this is that no one is forced to be a Catholic any more. If you don't like the way Popes are chosen, you pick a church more to your liking, or make your own.

      The Pope is elected by the cardinals. Which are in turn appointed by the Pope. There's nothing any "ordinary" catholic contributes to that election.

      You have that a bit funny. The current Pope picks the Cardinals, or rather picks new cardinals. The next Pope is chosen by those Cardinals. This does allow the current Pope no insignificant amount of power to try to direct the nature of his successor, but when the next Pope is chosen, he's dead.

      Just a gentle reminder that "elected" doesn't necessarily mean that the process has anything to do with what we consider Democracy.

      Sort of like Soviet and Chinese elections.

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    14. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I certainly wouldn't give to shits of credit to someone who can't even oblige the REAL WORLD etiquette of not covering up the rape of children."

      Saint Pedobear disapproves of your comment.

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    15. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He is its Head of State by virtue of being elected Pope"

      No separation of Church and State ever here.
      And he's the only member of the Hitler-Youth to be a Head of State nowadays.

      IMO he should stick to the stuff he knows, like hiding pedo-priests from justice.

    16. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure there are lots of them on this page right now...

      Do I go every week? No - but I try my best and I should
      Do I eat meat on Fridays during Lent? No
      Am I under 40? Last I checked 29 40 - but I'm no mathematician

      It's amazing to see so much anti-Catholic rhetoric coming from a post that basically says "Pope says technological advancements are not bad"

    17. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2

      Of course. Also, it's not like there are many world leaders that take his word into account because they share the same imaginary friend, and certainly the church doesn't own land and companies all over the world, and is certainly not one of the biggest and most effective lobbying organizations in the world.

      Sadly, stupid stupid people with imaginary friends have more power than you think.

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    18. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by clarkc3 · · Score: 1

      hi, I meet the criteria. Yay for Pizza fridays during Lent (I hate fish)

    19. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Of course the current Pope only gets to choose who chooses his successor, but... think about it, how many people do you know whose power stretches past their death? :)

      Essentially, that means, though, that the system is perpetuated without a chance to break the cycle. Changes happen very, very slowly since like minded people will elect and appoint each other for as long as there are like minded people.

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    20. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Americano · · Score: 1

      So you don't meet all of the criteria I laid out, and I suspect that a huge majority of people who would say "I'm a Catholic" that reads that question cannot honestly say that they fulfill those three simple criteria.

      My point is not to bash Catholics or call them bad Catholics, but how much influence over your day-to-day behavior can anybody really believe the Pope has over you, if you don't even go to Church once a week? According to the church, regular mass attendance is very important because that's where you receive the sacrament of communion, one of the more important bits of being a Catholic... if the Pope really had the influence over behavior as is being suggested, I'd expect that Catholics would be there every week without fail.

    21. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He was NOT elected, you heretic! The Lord Himself chose him and planted the right idea in the hearts of the cardinals in His infinite wisdom.

    22. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      There's nothing any "ordinary" catholic contributes to that election.

            Except for the money to pay for the caviar.

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    23. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      There's nothing any "ordinary" catholic contributes to that election.

      They contribute alms and tithes. How do you think those bishops pay for those outrageously tacky costumes?

      Which brings me to another point: the Catholic Church needs a new cost-cutting CFO. Instead of those custom made costumes, the bishops can pick out something of the rack at Wal-Mart. The nuns can sew in a bit out bling: it will keep them busy, so they don't have time to get themselves into some hanky-panky.

      Oh, and this confessional service: Outsource it to a call center in India. The priest is hidden behind an opaque window anyway, so he might as well be in India.

      I hope that the Church heeds my words and implements these cost-cutting actions. Otherwise, the Pope is going to pay a visit to Washington, DC, and say, "Um, like, we need a bailout or something."

      That said, the last couple of years has been rough on devout Catholics. I'm biased, because one of my friends is one. She seems to have the same feelings that geeks have, when they love the company that they work for, but are not particularly fond of the management.

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    24. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the ad-hominems are true and make him a fucking dipshit, in addition to being a completely unimportant person for rational human beings.

    25. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Weird. Do you think that might have been the point? I mean why would anyone set up a system that didn't put people who they disagreed with in charge once they were dead.

    26. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      That is because you can disagree with someone and still listen to what they are saying and perhaps agree with other points. Most people will just pigeon hole a person and mark them as always right or always wrong, vs. Listening to their view and actually making a decision themselves if they agree with it or not.

      Oddly enough you can extend this idea out even further and it is possible for Atheist to follow the philosophy of Christianity without any of the Dogma, and mythology around it.

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    27. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And if the Catholic Church was a vast nation state or empire where its leadership had considerable political power, I'd be worried. As it is, no one is being forced to be a Catholic, so I don't care all that much.

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    28. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Of course, the upside of this is that no one is forced to be a Catholic any more. If you don't like the way Popes are chosen, you pick a church more to your liking, or make your own.

      ...well, as far as Catholic Church is concerned, that might land you in eternal damnation (even if of relatively mild type; or even if just purgatory, still)

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    29. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      And if the Catholic Church was a vast nation state or empire where its leadership had considerable political power, I'd be worried. As it is, no one is being forced to be a Catholic, so I don't care all that much.

      Naw, ya don't have ta bee a Cat-o-lick, see? By da way, dat sure is a nice soul ya gots there. Be a shame if something were ta ... "happen" to it .. kapiche?

    30. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      You're not the boss of me!

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    31. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by pthisis · · Score: 1

      This does allow the current Pope no insignificant amount of power to try to direct the nature of his successor, but when the next Pope is chosen, he's dead.

      He's out of office, not necessarily dead. There are precedents for papal resignation.

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    32. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      That is because you can disagree with someone and still listen to what they are saying and perhaps agree with other points.

      It's not a question of disagreement, though. I can disagree with Bush and I can disagree with Obama, and I can look at parts of what they say and acknowledge that they make a good point, sure. But I don't care what L. Ron Hubbard says, and I don't care what Ahmadinejad says, nor do I care what the Iranian mullahs, Kim Jong Il, or the pope have to say. All of the above-mentioned individuals long ago gave up any right to be taken seriously on any subject, and I'd much rather see them deposed and imprisoned than sit and listen to their diatribes. I don't care if they have a good idea about how to build high-quality solar pannels for the poor using feces and industrial waste; I don't want to hear about it because the source truly has poisoned the information.

      It's the old question of whether it's moral to use research that was gathered through the torture of prisoners in concentration camps during WW2. Either you think that it is, or you think that it isn't. It has noting to do with disagreement, and everything to do with how we define our individual morali

    33. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      True enough, though it's not a frequent occurrence.

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    34. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Ad-homilies?

    35. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Plus, as far as Catholics are concerned, I'm pretty sure there also precedents of returning from the dead / zombification...

      (which one was it, anyway, when Karol Wojtya essentially (and in stark contrast to his own teachings) chose voluntary death / "euthanasia" by refusing medical treatment in last weeks of his life?)

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    36. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not popular, but totally right. Mod parent up.

    37. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Damn straight, I'll make my own religion. With blackjack. And hookers.

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    38. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The beef I got with the RCC is pretty much the same I have with the US. The ideas and principles it was found on are great, the guys that originally founded them were smart and, from what we know anyway, honest people.

      What sucks is the current management.

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    39. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      how many people do you know whose power stretches past their death?

      You mean like presidents can choose supreme court justices who may serve long after the president's death?

    40. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Kitsune+Inari · · Score: 1

      Yup, that's pretty much it. It's a good thing they're totally über-wrong, isn't it?

    41. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      In fact, screw the blackjack.

    42. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      This at least very much depends on what we choose as the real funding date of RCC... oh well, at least current management is very decent as far as its past standards are concerned (and with the second case, with the amount of - yes - mythology which managed to grew around it, we might never know how much exactly it was about the wealthy seeking more influence and savings for themselves)

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    43. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Kitsune+Inari · · Score: 1

      In other words, even a broken clock can give the right time twice a day.

      "When you start from wrong premises, if your logic is flawless you will always end with wrong results. But if you use faulty logic, you still have a random chance of giving the right answer."

    44. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simple virtue of his existing isn't enough to require us to pay attention to him, though. I don't see anything wrong with bitterness either, when his organization is involved in most western countries and has been acting immorally and possibly illegally within them (pedophilia scandal; see recent letters from the Vatican).

    45. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't find it amazing. Most criticism of the Church, the Pope, and religion is a knee-jerk reaction. Funny how most atheists believe that making fun of a religion is the same as criticizing it. Then they think they're clever. Sad really.

    46. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by garvon · · Score: 2

      I think you have it wrong. It is not the blackjack you are supposed to be screwing.

    47. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      He is not a politician nor does he hold public office. The concept of "elected" here is meaningless. He was chosen among a small group of peers in a manner similar to a jury.

    48. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The Vatican is a nation state. The Church is not.

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    49. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by said213 · · Score: 0

      In that case, what do you do with the hookers?

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    50. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      If you didn't care you wouldn't bother reading or replying in a thread regarding those individuals.

      You do care, quite fervently about the people you listed. Of course it's all hate and anger, but that's part of caring too.

    51. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Touché .

    52. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Fuck alla that "netiquette", fetch me an altar boy, stat!

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    53. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most criticism of the Church, the Pope, and religion is a knee-jerk reaction. Funny how most atheists believe that making fun of a religion is the same as criticizing it. Then they think they're clever.

      I suspect that you reached that conclusion by listening to angsty teenage atheists and zealous former believers. Those types are loud, but they don't represent the majority of atheists.

      Most of us don't really care one way or the other what you believe, and we aren't going to give you a hard time about it.

    54. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Why is there always some moron who has to chime in with the "DUH, U MUST KARE 'COS YER TALKING!!11!1" bullshit?

      If that's your response, then you don't understand what I'm saying, and you don't understand what's being discussed. And you fail at basic logic, anyway.

    55. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he does have the authority to remind Catholics to behave online.

      I think he should have a duty to do so. The writing can be summarized into this: the pope has recognized the transformative impact of the net in the world. The meatspace still matters, so don't ignore it. Be the reflection of your meat online and not that of the meat stew your have cooked. Don't be a browny lip meatsuccer with the happy message. Respect the others as if your respected their meats. Web is cool.

      Here is the whole thing:http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/communications/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20110124_45th-world-communications-day_en.html.

    56. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I'm 47, but I've done those things ever since I was 20 or so. Does my anecdote beat your anecdote?

    57. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      See, that there is a defensive reaction. There's no need to be insulting, but considering the high level of emotion you have invested into this topic I guess it was inevitable. I guess I hit a nerve, and I apologize. Carry on with your not caring.

    58. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by joelito_pr · · Score: 0
      • Catholic, go to church almost every sunday
      • No meat in Lent is more a tradition than a mandate(I eat meat)
      • I'm 28
      • I've known plenty of priest who seem to agree with me on this.

    59. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      Yeah, whenever someone calls you an idiot, that's because they're being defensive. After all, your mommy told you that you're a really special kid! And your sunday school teacher was very impressed with that presentation you gave, proving that the earth is 6,000 years old. Clearly it's all those scienticians and edumacated intemalectuals who are teh dumb, not you!

    60. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      With the difference that the these judges don't elect the next pres...

      Sorry, forgot the 2000 elections.

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    61. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Still lashing out? This time without even making an attempt at civility. Of course I could be wrong about you being defensive, but continued attacks don't really go very far in supporting your case. It's quite obvious from this last post that you (likely) have deep seeded anger and hatred towards fundamental Christians, and mothers who give their children undeserved praise (I assume that's what you were getting at). Yet even that is a deflection from the raw anger that spurred you on when I stated that you care about the words and actions of people you hate. You can attack my opinions all you want, but it doesn't negate the fact that such high spirited emotional reactions aren't triggered by people or topics you don't care about.

      You're a smart guy, and I've agreed with you a lot around Slashdot, and yes it is a tough moral question whether to listen to the words of monsters. But you seem to equate not listening to someone as the same as not caring about what they're saying, and I don't think that they are the same. It's a trivial point which (for some stupid reason) I felt compelled to share with Slashdot, but I think your responses have been entirely out proportion. I really am sorry I stuck a burr into your paw over such a thing and hope you'll accept my apology.

    62. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by treeves · · Score: 1

      Double down. Perfect pairs. Late surrender. Lucky ladies.

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    63. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      It's because I have to waste time on a regular basis explaining to religious idiots that "if you didn't believe in god, you wouldn't bother to argue about it" isn't a valid response in any shape or form. Your response seemed to be based on the same kind of "logic". Now that you've clarified things a bit, I see it's mostly a question of semantics.

      Thanks for the reasoned response. I won't accept your apology, because you have nothing to apologize for - I overreacted. I'm regularly disappointed by how often other people make snap-judgments based on personal biases; I do my best to try and avoid making the same mistake, but obviously don't succeed all the time.

      Your attempt to psychoanalyze me, on the other hand, was a total fail :) I don't hate fundies; I mostly feel sorry for them. I think that when they get involved in politics they usually need to be opposed every step of the way, and it's a good idea to oppose their policies in general. But hate them? Naw. There'd be more reason for me to hate muslim extremists, especially since they've been responsible for the deaths of my friends, but I don't even think I hate them, really. What hatred I may feel is generally aimed at ideologies and leaders rather than large groups.

    64. Re:The pope should just shut the fuck up. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Wow...that is a stupid argument they've been making to you. I mean, you can argue about anything without believing in it, it's called a hypothetical. No wonder.

      Yeah, sorry about the armchair psychoanalysis. That was because I was watching "Lie to Me" while writing the comment and let my imagination get away from me.

      Also, I think this whole thread illustrates that you are a reasonable person, as always I look forward to catching your comments as I lurk Slashdot

  2. Good Christian Netiquette.... by sunderland56 · · Score: 1, Funny

    is not to 'friend' young boys.

    1. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by zill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't "poke" them either.

    2. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      indeed, he encourages non-virtual contact at many levels...

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    3. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is not to 'friend' young boys.

      Not that you wish to be informed or anything, the sex abuse scandal was not about pedophilia. The majority (80%) of the cases stemmed from priests having sexual relations with teenage boys (homosexuality not pedophilia). This was due to the most part the liberalization of the seminary admissions which allowed homosexuals and those who agree with that lifestyle choice. It was also due to the Church leadership believed the secular psychology that stated these homosexual abusers could be dealt with by counseling. Prior to that a priest was removed immediately if an incident happened. Most of the abuse cases happened 20-30 years ago. The safeguards currently required of all US Catholic Church makes it a very safe place to be (e.g. ~6 alleged cases last year out of the thousands of parishes in the US). This is in contrast to the current public school system and protestant faith communities whose abuse rate is currently several times that of the Catholic Church at the peak of the abuse scandal.

      Just in case you wanted to be informed.

    4. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by GrBear · · Score: 1

      Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.

    5. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by said213 · · Score: 0

      You like being mislead, not informed.

      Thanks!

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    6. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by natehoy · · Score: 2

      What? No, really, WHAT!?!?!? People still buy this shit?

      Whether the priests were homosexual is immaterial, even if you were correct that 100% of the priests were homosexual. Homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely and utterly different things, done for different reasons, and there is no credible correlation between the two.

      A homosexual has no inherent desire toward children of either gender. That takes a pedophile. A homosexual can be a pedophile, and a pedophile can be a homosexual, but there isn't a correlation between the two. Heterosexuals can be pedophiles, too, and have been for a lot longer than the liberalization of the Church.

      The actions were homosexual in nature, in that the priests abused young boys, but it's not because the priests actually preferred boys to girls. Boys were victimized because boys were available and easy to manipulate, not because the abusers necessarily had a preference for those of their own gender. If there had been young teen altar girls available and the priests had ignored them and gone after the boys, you might possibly, maybe have a nugget of truth there. And I'm sure some percentage of the priests who committed the abuses are also homosexual, but don't automatically associate the two.

      The kind of person who goes after young kids, regardless of gender, is doing it for power and control. Pedophilia is the victimization of someone who cannot defend themselves. In other words, rape.

      The kind of person who engages in consensual heterosexual relationships with adults of like mind is doing it for their own flavor of love. You may not be comfortable with the idea homosexual love (I know I'm not, the vision of two men going at it gives me the screaming heebie jeebies, but it's also none of my goddamned business as long as both agree to it), but that doesn't mean that I feel threatened by homosexuals or would be any more concerned having a young child in the presence of a homosexual than I would a heterosexual.

      It's not like priests abusing their altar boys is new (or, to be fair, even relegated to priests - it unfortunately happens in a lot of situations where adults with serious psychological issues are put in charge of children and insufficient precautions are taken to protect those children). It's been happening for a LONG time. And a lot of organizations have tried to cover it up. What's new is that the general populace is finally questioning and becoming aware of the actions of one of the most powerful non-Governmental bodies in history, and those actions now have consequences. You can't just have a Bishop or Cardinal give you absolution after you do something illegal and have that be the end of it, because the Church is no longer the law, nor are its members outside the law of the lands they are living in.

      I'm hoping you just made that up, and that your statement above is not something your priest laid out for you. If the Church is now making up a correlation between the two is not at all surprising, but it is saddening. I thought the Church had really taken the scandal seriously and was trying to actually prevent it, not just pointing a finger and yelling "it's all the homersexuels's fault!" and bitching about the necessary controls that are honestly helping them prevent this from happening again.

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    7. Re:Good Christian Netiquette.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP!

  3. HAH by Pojut · · Score: 1, Insightful

    or diluting the Christian message to achieve popularity.

    Who dilutes the Christian message more than the Vatican?

    1. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or diluting the Christian message to achieve popularity.

      Who dilutes the Christian message more than the Vatican?

      How about all those fundamental evangelical sects (yes, that's the correct technical term, just in case anyone wants to take offense) in the US of A? Spreading fear and hate certainly is not part of the Christian message in my book. I'm not a Catholic, but I'm under the impression that the Catholic church is in some respects more modern than some of the more extreme Christian fundamentalists who believe the bible is literally true word for word and their twisted interpretation of the word of God is not an interpretation at all. And don't get me started about all those creationist nutcases. They are doing today what the Catholic church did way back then ...

    2. Re:HAH by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Christians.

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    3. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Catholic != Christian. I wouldn't go to a Catholic church if you paid me. Vastly different experience.

    4. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Catholic != Christian.

      If you are saying that the set "Catholics" is not equal to the set "Christians", that's fine, because there are non-Catholic Christians. But if you are saying they are disjoint sets, that's bullshit. Catholics are a subset of Christians.

    5. Re:HAH by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And what is exactly the christian message? Be week, sick and mediocre? Don't try to be a better person because you are gonna die and go to a better life anyway? believe in my stupid imaginary friend in the sky, receive wine and bread?

      the 'christian message' is a message of death, destruction and involution, and we would all be better if it didn't exist.

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    6. Re:HAH by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

      They just don't want an competition :P

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    7. Re:HAH by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, I think Tom Lehrer managed to top them with the Vatican Rag.

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    8. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creedo did not say, (although he may have intended to) that Catholics aren't Christians.

      He stated Catholic != Christian. Which is a true statement.

      Catholic Christian could be said to be true.

      Catholic Christian might be more correct, but I doubt even

      Catholic Christian would be argued by most folks here on /.

      So yes,

      Catholic != Christian

      (I tried to come up with a proof for set membership, but it assumed abelian group, and I'm not sure stating that any subset of religion is an abelian group is a safe assumption).

    9. Re:HAH by IrquiM · · Score: 3, Informative

      What he says is that catholics is not the same as christians - it's one of many sub-groups. It's like saying that Volvo is a car, but a car doesn't have to be a Volvo!

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    10. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haters gonna hate

    11. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever your opinion on religion as a whole, the idea of taking doctrine from other living people makes Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics both seem to me to be the same kind of deal. You may consider me a fool for believing the Bible, and that's fine, but I have read it myself, and I do interpret it for myself-- and I believe that's the most important two things possible for separating legitimate belief systems from gigantic cults.

      You may say Christianity and Catholicism are the same, but as a protestant, I would very much disagree with that idea.

    12. Re:HAH by Creedo · · Score: 1

      Whatever your opinion on religion as a whole, the idea of taking doctrine from other living people makes Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholics both seem to me to be the same kind of deal.

      And yet, taking it from dead people is somehow more sensible?

      You may consider me a fool for believing the Bible, and that's fine, but I have read it myself, and I do interpret it for myself-- and I believe that's the most important two things possible for separating legitimate belief systems from gigantic cults.

      I've read it, too. There is nothing to differentiate it from the rest of Bronze age mythology.

      You may say Christianity and Catholicism are the same, but as a protestant, I would very much disagree with that idea.

      No, I interpreted the grandparent as saying that Catholics weren't Christian, which is a load of crap. Obviously there are different branches of Christianity with different interpretations of different documents, but they are all in the same family tree, and very closely related to Islam and Judaism as well.

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    13. Re:HAH by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      And what is exactly the christian message? Be week, sick and mediocre?

      Some folks focus on that, sure.

      Other folks focus on ideas like "love thy neighbor," "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and "blessed are the peacemakers." Of course those ideas are not unique to Xianity, but I've no beef with someone who finds the Jesus myth an inspiring presentation of them.

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    14. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but that should have been Christian != Catholic, not the inverse.

    15. Re:HAH by Kitsune+Inari · · Score: 0

      Spreading fear and hate certainly is not part of the Christian message in my book.

      Is it not? Try telling that to Jesus, he pretty much invented from scrap the whole "fear of hell" dungturd. Before him, IIRC, jews said that everyone went after death to the same place right under Yhwh's glory forever; if you loved him and were a good jew that should make you happy, and if you weren't you'd suffer from guilt and remorse under him. Similar, but not quite the same.

    16. Re:HAH by Eudial · · Score: 1

      Most religious messages from Jesus come from disputable sources such as visions from beyond the grave, messages in dreams and other vague signs. The man him self seems to have been more interested in pacifism than anything else (which led to martyrdom when he was killed, developing into a cult of personality which after a few hundred years of Chinese whispers had taken the form of a religion).

      It's probably better to say Paul the Apostle invented the "fear of hell" dungturd than Jesus.

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    17. Re:HAH by joelito_pr · · Score: 0

      So, you're one of those Evangelical Christians who try to monopolize the term. God bless you

    18. Re:HAH by BenJaminus · · Score: 1

      OK I'll bite -
      The Christian message is that Jesus Christ is God's son who died to save you, me, anyone who'll accept it so they can have a relationship with God.

      We do need saving from the judgment that is coming from the same God I call loving. Try to see if from God's perspective and it might make a little more sense.

      Would you really rather not know about it? If you were about to drive off a cliff wouldn't you want someone to try to shout "turn around!"?

    19. Re:HAH by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Who thinks that ideals from 2000 years ago don't need to be modified for the modern world?

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    20. Re:HAH by vandamme · · Score: 1

      You should RTFM, because you haven't a clue.

      http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/

    21. Re:HAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Others .

    22. Re:HAH by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      I can't see it from god's perspective, because there is no god.

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  4. /. News Network by Even+on+Slashdot+FOE · · Score: 1

    Today's theme is "Messages that should have been made 20 years ago."

    1. Re:/. News Network by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's the Catholic Church. It took them 1000 years to recognize Orthodoxy, hundreds of years to recognize Protestants, etc. It only took 20 years for them to discover the internet. Leave them alone, they're doing well.

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    2. Re:/. News Network by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Yes, because lots of people were spending their lives on Facebook and MSN messenger in 1990. You need to realise that geeks may have spent hours online twenty years ago, most people barely used the internet at all.

      If you read what he actually said, rather than the usual Slashdot summary on another site, it can be summed up as do not get so obsessed with life online that it distracts you from what you should do in real life, witness your faith but do not proselytise rudely or insensitively, and, do not construct a self-indulgent fake persona.

      In other news he is Catholic.

  5. I'm more interested in... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

    where on earth they found a picture of a nun with an Eee PC.

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    1. Re:I'm more interested in... by Ancantus · · Score: 2

      where on earth they found a picture of a nun with an Eee PC.

      Photoshop is a wonderful thing.

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    2. Re:I'm more interested in... by lavacano201014 · · Score: 1

      Whoever shopped it did an amazing job. I thought it was real as well.

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    3. Re:I'm more interested in... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      How do we know it's photo shopped?
      Hell, how do we know thats a nun?

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    4. Re:I'm more interested in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They are catholic nuns not amish you dip shit.

    5. Re:I'm more interested in... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The Catholic Church is not against modern technology. Quite the opposite. It usually takes them a while to adopt them officially and use them (Vatican TV first aired in 1983 or something), but that doesn't mean that they consider it the "work of the devil" or similar bull.

      I don't remember any recent case where the RCC condemned any technology (that didn't directly touch one of their doctrines like the Pill) for the sake of being technology. You might notice that a lot of RCC personnel is actually quite familiar with modern technology.

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    6. Re:I'm more interested in... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Don't let the 500 year old fashion fool you. Most Priests, Nuns, Monks. Are well versed in todays technologies, as much as the rest of the population of their age is. In many ways these people have keener minds as they get older then the rest of the population. As religious life has many of the rigors of academic life. Keeping their minds fresh and continuously learning.

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    7. Re:I'm more interested in... by Velex · · Score: 1

      like the Pill

      What's really funny, like hilarious funny, is that the pill prevents eggs from being released from the ovaries, thus preserving life.

      Menstruation usually causes an egg to be released, then bled out and killed *dun dun dun*.

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  6. Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trolls that appeared are one of the reasons religion stories need comments approved by moderators first.

  7. I have many issues with the by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Catholic Church, but this make me happy.

    Religion would bother me a lot less if the people practicing it were polite.

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    1. Re:I have many issues with the by Nadaka · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It varies with denomination, but many of them are either encouraged or even not allowed to be polite.

      They get brownie points for being able to perceive themselves as a repressed minority due to their faith, easiest way to do this is to behave outrageously and get flak for it.

      They may be required to convert the heathens on punishment of damnation for failing to spread the word.

      etc.

      On the other hand, I know a few genuinely nice religious people with a good sense of humor, but they seem to be in the minority.

    2. Re:I have many issues with the by vadim_t · · Score: 2

      Me too. I like the rule against dilution as well, actually.

      Picking the nice and fluffy bits out of the Bible makes it all sound much better than it is when you pay attention to the entire thing.

      Atheists should definitely welcome it. Lots of people lose their belief when they read the Bible from cover to cover and find out that there's quite a bit of nasty stuff in there.

    3. Re:I have many issues with the by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I find just learning about it's history pretty much makes people understand it's a load.

      OTOH, most people think the letter of the NT were written by people who actually met Jesus. Or that Jesus was real.

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    4. Re:I have many issues with the by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jesus is real. He mows my lawn and comes from Guatemala.

    5. Re:I have many issues with the by poena.dare · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Take Quakers, please! They has profound civility. But this humility is a double-edged sword... Bombard your average Quaker with gamma rays and you get... something... dangerous...

      Smedley Darlington Butler smash!

    6. Re:I have many issues with the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Catholic Church, but this make me happy.

      Religion would bother me a lot less if the people practicing it were polite.

      Or rather: if the people preaching it would practice it.

      But that's probably asking a bit much, polite would suffice I guess...

  8. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Cue litany of anti-Christian (and anti-religious in general) rhetoric by so-called "tolerant" Internet users

    1. Re:Sigh by Millennium · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the anti-Christian rhetoric poorly disguised as anti-religious-in-general rhetoric. That's popular too these days.

    2. Re:Sigh by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      You rang? Just kidding.

      I don't see anything to be offended about here. A lot of people on the internet could do with some more politeness on occasion.

    3. Re:Sigh by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think Wicca for instance is just as much bullshit as Christianity, but so far they don't seem to be trying to force anything on me, so I haven't had a reason to protest against them.

      I'm perfectly fine with people having private irrational beliefs and staging elaborate ceremonies with scented candles (or whatever the Wicccans do on a regular basis). Now when people start trying to impose their religion on the rest of society, that's when I start having a very big problem with it.

    4. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you live in a country where 99% of the religious hardhats you meet are Christian, it's hard to avoid generalization.

    5. Re:Sigh by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And one has to wonder why there is so much anti-Christian rhetoric floating about. What could it possibly be?

      I mean, when did you get any anti-Pagan, anti-Judaic, anti-Islam, anti-Buddhist, anti-Hinduist... rhetoric lately? I mean, aside of overzealous Christians?

      That's my main beef with the Christians: They don't just leave you alone when you declare that you don't want to hear any of their bull. They feel the need to push their delusions into everyone's face. And everyone's law. Stop doing that and you'll see a lot of anti-Christian rhetoric stop.

      I don't really think a lot of atheist and other-theists feel the need to go out of their way to deal with your delusions. If you want to believe that a person executed in a quite painful way is your saviour and you want to pray to a corpse on a cross, go ahead and have fun! Or don't, if that's more your speed, some people enjoy castigating themselves.

      But leave the rest of the world out of this! Keep your religion to yourself and let us live our lives without cramming your views down our throats! And behold, you'll be left alone instantly, just like the Buddhists, Hinduists, Muslims, Jews, Pagans and whatever else people wish to believe in, or not.

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    6. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Wicca for instance is just as much bullshit as Christianity, but so far they don't seem to be trying to force anything on me, so I haven't had a reason to protest against them.

      This is an interesting belief. In truth, there are a number of wiccan groups that are hardcore anti-aborton activists and they very much want to use the legal system to force choices on people. Mind you, like christianity, there are probably just as many wiccan sects that support personal choice.

      Now when people start trying to impose their religion on the rest of society, that's when I start having a very big problem with it.

      One might add, when they start succeeding in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of society. Minority religions usually have very little say in what laws are passed and thus constitute less of a threat to individual freedom and are less frustrating to individuals that value personal choice.

    7. Re:Sigh by Americano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      anti-Judaic? anti-Islamic? Right here on Slashdot. Go back and read about the Israel/Palestine peace talk leaks. There's a lot of quite nasty rhetoric going both ways from people who claim to be disinterested parties.

      You seem to think that the only person saying nasty things about other religions is Christians. You're quite wrong. This doesn't excuse the Christians who *are* spouting nonsense, but it applies equally well to anybody of any religious orientation.

    8. Re:Sigh by Creedo · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the anti-Christian rhetoric poorly disguised as anti-religious-in-general rhetoric. That's popular too these days.

      One is a subset of the other. I am anti-Christian, and anti-religious. There is no conflict.

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    9. Re:Sigh by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the anti-Christian rhetoric poorly disguised as anti-religious-in-general rhetoric. That's popular too these days.
      Just wondering: how the heck did this get up-modded? It's a blatant troll and completely false in any case. If it were true, you could identify, say, Jews or Muslims or Protestants (since people who call themselves "Christians" are generally Papists) who argue against religion as a "screened attack" on Catholics.

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    10. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to believe that a person executed in a quite painful way is your saviour and you want to pray to a corpse on a cross, go ahead and have fun!

      See that's the whole thing. He came back from the dead and fulfilled numerous prophesies told about the coming savior. But go ahead and not believe and have fun. No one is forcing you to accept that. You get to choose what you believe and have faith in. You get to put your faith in believing this material universe is all there was and all there ever will be, that all of this is random chance. That only things I can test empirically and only with current technology is all there is. And it's all just meaningless. You go on and believe that, but I pray you don't.

    11. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They feel the need to push their delusions into everyone's face. And everyone's law... Keep your religion to yourself and let us live our lives without cramming your views down our throats! And behold, you'll be left alone instantly, just like the Buddhists, Hinduists, Muslims, Jews, Pagans and whatever else people wish to believe in, or not.

      If you think Muslims aren't cramming their religion in everyone's face and everyone's law then you clearly don't keep up on world news. They're right up there with christian sects like catholicism for trying to enforce their religion via law and force of arms.

    12. Re:Sigh by Creedo · · Score: 1

      See that's the whole thing. He came back from the dead

      Unproven assertion.

      and fulfilled numerous prophesies told about the coming savior.

      Unproven assertions, in addition to the fact that the writers of the later books were aware of the prophesies of the earlier books and thus were able to write their stories to match.

      But go ahead and not believe and have fun.

      Thanks! I am having more fun now!

      No one is forcing you to accept that.

      You are correct. I happen to live in a country with freedom of religion, and my social stature is such that I do not have to maintain a religious facade in public.

      You get to choose what you believe and have faith in.

      Wrong. I can only believe in what I think is true. When I saw how full of shit religion was in general and Christianity in particular, I no longer had the option of believing in it. I could fake it, yes, but I am not inclined to living a lie.

      You get to put your faith in believing this material universe is all there was and all there ever will be, that all of this is random chance. That only things I can test empirically and only with current technology is all there is. And it's all just meaningless. You go on and believe that, but I pray you don't.

      As opposed to hoping that some Bronze Age sheep herders spoke to a personified deity and got the scoop? No, you can keep your silly fairy tales.

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    13. Re:Sigh by Millennium · · Score: 1

      There's only no conflict if you either keep your subsets straight or proceed broaden things very carefully. Anti-religious arguments are easy to narrow into anti-Christian ones, but broadening specifically anti-Christian arguments into anti-religious ones can be considerably more difficult. Most Internet attempts to do so end in failure, making the whole argument look like it was written by a teenager -possibly a very smart one- looking to piss off his parents because they made him go to church too often.

    14. Re:Sigh by Creedo · · Score: 1

      How is it considerably more difficult? The same class of arguments apply in both cases. The same class of evidence is required, whether you are referring to Set or Yahweh. Arguing about particular tenets is interesting, but not the root of my arguments, though it may appear that way when the majority of arguments I get engage in are with Christians.

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    15. Re:Sigh by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      If it were true, you could identify, say, Jews or Muslims or Protestants (since people who call themselves "Christians" are generally Papists) who argue against religion as a "screened attack" on Catholics.

      This makes so little sense that I've got to ask if you left out some key point.

      Judaism, Islam, and Protestantism are religions. Those who practice a specific religion can't (consistently or sanely, anyway) make arguments against religion-in-general.

      Catholics make up only about half of Christians in the world, and a much smaller percentage of Christians in English-speaking nations. It is not the case that people who call themselves "Christians" are generally Catholics.

      And "Papists"? Really? Are you posting from 16th century England?

      The grandparent comment is quite correct: people often engage in anti-religion rhetoric that is really only applicable to mainstream Christianity (or at least to mainstream Abrahamic religions). They make sweeping statements about religion in general based on their exposure to mainline Protestants, Catholics, Jews, and maybe a Muslim or two; but you'll often find that those sweeping statements don't apply well to, say, Quakers, Zen Buddhists, Hindus, Jews in the Renewal movement, Sufis, various varieties of Neopagans, Taoists, Unitarian Universalists, etc., etc., etc.

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  9. Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It is important always to remember that virtual contact cannot and must not take the place of direct human contact with people at every level of our lives."

    Said the pope, just before praying to god

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    1. Re:Praying by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 0, Troll

      So I'm confused... Are you saying he's a hypocrite for claiming we should not let virtual contact replace physical then proceeds to partake in virtual communication with God? Or, that he's just saying it's important to not live in your mom's basement playing WoW all day, everyday? Or, that he's encouraging physical contact to take place rather than just cybersex?

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    2. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Are you saying he's a hypocrite for claiming we should not let virtual contact replace physical then proceeds to partake in virtual communication with God?

      Yes

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    3. Re:Praying by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Faith in God is funny in that you can pray to God, but can never actually have direct communication with him on this "Earthly" plane of existence. If by chance you do, you've met the second coming of Christ. Otherwise, it's a false prophet.

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    4. Re:Praying by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Prayer is the least productive form of begging.

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    5. Re:Praying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, this would be caustic and withering insight into the Pope's hypocrisy...

      if God were a "person" you could have "direct human contact" with, but opted to just 'friend' on Facebook instead.

    6. Re:Praying by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why did my mod points expire yesterday? This was the funniest thing I've read on /. in a while!

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    7. Re:Praying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be careful who you say that too. There are some people who would cut your head off alive while recording a video of it.

    8. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      That would almost be a gag worthy of Family Guy, if it weren't rubbish. Prayer serves many more purposes than simply whining about bad things that are happening. For instance, I went to a Church of England primary school and each day before lunch we said a short thank-you for our meals, that wasn't begging, it was an expression of thanks for our good fortune to have food on our plates. But I'll save that one for when I want to make fun of religion, and by extension, Americans.

    9. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 2

      Odd, when I was at school we thanked the dinner-ladies, not god. (Also a C of E primary school)

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    10. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Someone modded this up? Seriously? Of course we thanked the dinner ladies, way to miss the point.

    11. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Your "for instance" was to prove the point that prayer serves a purpose. I fail to see how prayer had any purpose in your example, other than to keep the kids quiet and acquiescent.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    12. Re:Praying by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      not to be an enabler of anyone's mental illness, but from a well-renowned science journal

      ha ha, only kidding -- sort of

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      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    13. Re:Praying by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      "It is important always to remember that virtual contact cannot and must not take the place of direct human contact with people at every level of our lives."

      Said the pope, just before praying to god

      I see what you did there, but...it kind of misses the point.

      Sure, you can draw an analogy between prayer and "virtual contact", but the Pope isn't condemning virtual contact, he is stating that it is important that it not take the place of "direct human contact with people at every level of our lives". I think you will find that, generally, the Pope and the Church, while obviously supporting prayer, don't advocate it displacing "direct human contact with people at every level of our lives". So, even seeing prayer and virtual contact as related concepts, there is nothing inconsistent here.

    14. Re:Praying by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> Otherwise, it's a false prophet.

      The guys who ran Enron had this problem. They thought they were gods, but really it was all a matter of false prophet.

    15. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. Praying to god is a replacement for direct human contact.

      Want something done? Do it yourself, with help from other real live human beings ... or pray to god.

      Want to be thankful? Thank those real live people who made what you are thankful for ... or pray to god.

      It misses no point at all. While you are busy being with virtual god, you could be interacting with real live human beings.

      Prayer is less influential than Facebook.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    16. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      "Odd, when I was at school we thanked the dinner-ladies, not god." Implies that we were more thankful to God for our meal than we were to the people who actually cooked the meals, which was not true and not the point I was making. The purpose of saying a prayer before eating was to make us aware that not everyone in the world was fortunate enough that day to have a meal, and therefore to make us thankful for what we had. Yes, there are other ways to teach that to children, but they do not invalidate prayer as means to achieve it.

    17. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      To break this down even further and thus eliminate any need to continue this conversation; we were giving thanks, not begging.

    18. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      The purpose of saying a prayer before eating was to make us aware that not everyone in the world was fortunate enough that day to have a meal, and therefore to make us thankful for what we had.

      We were fully aware of those facts - no need to pray to have it beaten into our skulls on a daily basis. You're aware that not everyone has a computer, right? So do you pray before you use a computer each day, y'know, just to make you thankful for what you have?

      Yes, there are other ways to teach that to children, but they do not invalidate prayer as means to achieve it.

      Damn right they do. The most obvious way is to tell kids right out. If you add prayer into the mix then you're also lying to them about some non-existent spirit who made the food available to them. Of course prayer is an invalid means to achieve the goal of teaching kids about where their food comes from.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    19. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Thanking god for your food implies some supernatural force has something to do with it ending up on your plate.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    20. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      That depends upon your definition of 'God', personally, I was thanking my good fortune to have cooked meals. This is beside the original point though, your analogy was crap.

    21. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      "Your" definition matters not when you are a school-kid being told what to say.

      "Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name (etc)" is totally not the same as 'good fortune'. As far as bad analogies go, you've taken first prize.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    22. Re:Praying by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Prayer is the least productive form of begging.

      You're not doing it right...

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      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    23. Re:Praying by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      The "purpose" is to have thanks for being alive and the opportunity to be living well. While each of us are not physically created equal nor have chosen when and where to be born, it is to pay respects to a higher order above the human existence.

      And that's the point; not to succumb to hubris and idolatry. Rather, to be humble for the good things we have in life.

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      Life is not for the lazy.
    24. Re:Praying by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Wow, you've managed to take a completely innocent prayer giving thanks for food and made it utterly insidious. Who care's if the prayer was to God? Once again, that's not the point, the point is to teach children to give thanks, which is something you cannot seem to grasp, so further conversation is pointless.

    25. Re:Praying by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Didn't realize it was an either/or proposition.

    26. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Kinda hard to do both at the same time.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    27. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      You seem to have missed the part where I specifically said that thanks was given to the dinner ladies. The lesson to give thanks has been given - without reference to god. Further conversation may indeed be pointless if you cannot read what I have written.

      I don't need to MAKE prayer utterly insidious. The act itself is intrinsically insidious, not 'completely innocent'. Teaching children that praying solves problems is indeed harmful.

      Who care's[sic] if the prayer was to god? I don't care if you pray or not - just don't teach kids at school that it's what they should do.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    28. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      You can be humble and give thanks without prayer.

      I reject your suggestion of a higher order that commands respect.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    29. Re:Praying by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Actually it's quite easy.

      I get the impression that you tend to come in contact with the worst examples of Christians and on behalf of my faith, I apologize.

    30. Re:Praying by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      After reading your previous posts. Sir, you are anything but humble. FYI.

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      Life is not for the lazy.
    31. Re:Praying by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      I'll take that as a concession that you now believe that prayer has no real purpose, unless of course you're willing to try to prove otherwise.

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      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
  10. 'friend' thy neighbor? by david.emery · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thou shalt friend thy neighbor as thyself

    1. Re:'friend' thy neighbor? by al0ha · · Score: 1

      Good show, wish I had mod points for you.

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      Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
    2. Re:'friend' thy neighbor? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      When friending they neighbors wife, thy neighbors wife shall be stoned, or whipped, or hanged.
      And when they Neighbors wife shill poke you, you will shun they neighbors wife and tell the elders so thy community will cast her out.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:'friend' thy neighbor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... should you friend your neighbors wife?

    4. Re:'friend' thy neighbor? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Thou shalt friend thy neighbor as thyself

      By vigorously rubbing his penis?

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  11. But he doesn't, so you should listen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What an amusingly coincidental opinion, given that he's talking about "social networking." You see, just like the Pope, nobody really cares about Facebook either. Except that lots of other people care about Facebook (just as lots of other people obey the Pope or pay lip service to him), and through the network effects, Facebook and the Pope end up mattering to you anyway. Even though you don't care. They wield power.

    If the Pope says, "Kill all the infidels" this is an important thing for you to know (whether you're an infidel who will be killed, or will be one of the killers).

    1. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by Americano · · Score: 1

      Actually, if the Pope said that in 2011, he would be roundly ignored, other than to have a bunch of Catholics around the world go, "Um.... no?"

    2. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Actually, if the Pope said that in 2011, he would be roundly ignored, other than to have a bunch of Catholics around the world go, "Um.... no?"

      If you believe that, I've got some nice Vatican-side property to sell ya ...

      You know, most muslims don't go around killing infidels either, but it only takes 0.1% of that population to cause some serious problems. If you think that a proclamation of Jihad from the Vatican wouldn't motivate thousands of lunatics to go out and murder, rape, and pillage, you're a fool.

    3. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by Americano · · Score: 1

      And the likelihood of any given person dying at the hands of a Pope-sponsored jihad? Certainly lower than your chances of dying to terrorism.

      So why is it okay to live in fear of the Pope, but foolish to live in fear of dying to terrorism?

      There are numerous self-styled smart dudes here who would be hasten to point out that many of our anti-terror measures are pointless, and we're wasting money and time on counteracting a threat that, on a societal scale, is fairly minor. But the fact that the Pope *could* influence a handful of Catholics if he declared a jihad is somehow something to be worried about?

    4. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      And the likelihood of any given person dying at the hands of a Pope-sponsored jihad? Certainly lower than your chances of dying to terrorism.

      At the moment, yes. You sure you read what I wrote?

      So why is it okay to live in fear of the Pope, but foolish to live in fear of dying to terrorism?

      I think both are equally foolish. I don't fear the pope or the mullahs - I just want to see them destroyed, and their evil idologies wiped from the mind of man.

      There are numerous self-styled smart dudes here who would be hasten to point out that many of our anti-terror measures are pointless, and we're wasting money and time on counteracting a threat that, on a societal scale, is fairly minor. But the fact that the Pope *could* influence a handful of Catholics if he declared a jihad is somehow something to be worried about?

      Something to consider, and to mitigate before it becomes a problem. If that's what you mean by "worry", then yes. If, on the other hand, you mean something along the lines of "invade the Vatican", then no.

    5. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by Americano · · Score: 1

      I read what you wrote, and it certainly seems that you're suggesting that we should be concerned about the Pope's announcements when you write, for instance:

      "If you think that a proclamation of Jihad from the Vatican wouldn't motivate thousands of lunatics to go out and murder, rape, and pillage, you're a fool."

      Considering that "jihad" in the current vernacular is almost exclusively prosecuted by *radicals* who in no way represent even a fragment of the mainstream of the religion they claim to be waging jihad on behalf of, to suggest that:

      1) The Pope, as the head of the Catholic religion, might issue such a proclamation in 2011;
      2) That any significant number of people would take it seriously if he did;

      Is just foolish.

    6. Re:But he doesn't, so you should listen by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I dunno, most of South America might take up arms.

  12. Anything about top posting ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the eventual recommendations will include something saying that top posting is bad. If so then the pope will go up in my estimation.

    Trimming of multiple copies of old signatures would be good as well! I suppose that avoiding HTML email would be too much to ask for.

    1. Re:Anything about top posting ? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      top posting is logical, productive, and practical.

      Bottom posting is stupid, confusing, and not practical.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Anything about top posting ? by jittles · · Score: 1

      There are times when top posting is appropriate and times when it is not. If you're going to reply to things inside the body of the sender's email then it is of the utmost importance to make it easy to distinguish between the original message and the reply. A lot of people on mailing lists fail miserably at that and it makes it difficult to read their response.

    3. Re:Anything about top posting ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
      Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? I like to top-post.
      A: Top-posting.
      Q: What is the most confusing thing on usenet and in e-mail?

    4. Re:Anything about top posting ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      I really hate when I see a long email on a list and either have to hit page down 10 times to find the first bit that I didn't just read in the last 5 messages or when I get to the bottom 30 pages later and still haven't found anything new. It might be there and it might not, who knows?

    5. Re:Anything about top posting ? by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Bottom posting is stupid, confusing, and not practical.

      Heathen! Burn the witch!!

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    6. Re:Anything about top posting ? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      I really hate when I see a long email on a list and either have to hit page down 10 times to find the first bit that I didn't just read in the last 5 messages or when I get to the bottom 30 pages later and still haven't found anything new. It might be there and it might not, who knows?

      Certainly this is a problem, but top posting isn't the solution. The solution is to aggressively prune quoted material to include only enough to make clear the immediate context of the response, especially when there are archives available for people who may not have received an earlier message but may have questions about the deeper context of the discussion.

    7. Re:Anything about top posting ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      In part, yes. In part, it's the natural consequence of over-zealous enforcement of ANY rule. Sometimes it makes the most sense to write a line or two globally applicable to an entire message and then quote the whole thing.

      Except, of course, for the hundreds of messages that will follow calling for you to be killed in horrible ways and your corpse desecrated.

    8. Re:Anything about top posting ? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      In part, yes. In part, it's the natural consequence of over-zealous enforcement of ANY rule. Sometimes it makes the most sense to write a line or two globally applicable to an entire message and then quote the whole thing.

      In the cases where you want to make a general response to a whole message, I'd say for a short message, quoting the whole thing and responding at the bottom is better, for a long message, using ellipses to shorten the message and quoting at the bottom is better. Quoting the entirety of a message that is long enough that top quoting would even begin to seem desirable to avoid readers having to page through quoted text is a mistake, IMO, whether or not you top post.

    9. Re:Anything about top posting ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Top posting in that case has the virtues of not wasting the time of someone following the thread as well as providing a full context to someone who stumbled upon that single message in a search engine.

      That's especially true when someone is acking a patch for example. You certainly do want the whole thing for reference then.

      There are cases where inline posting makes plenty of sense as well. Bottom posting really doesn't make much sense except that it is currently fashionable to do that and dump on anyone who top posts. Sort of like making fun of the person who eats their steak with the salad fork.

  13. That's all well and good, but... by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 1

    ...did he say if you should wear a condom while using the internet?

    People want to know!!!

    1. Re:That's all well and good, but... by Caerdwyn · · Score: 1

      ...did he say if you should wear a condom while using the internet?

      People want to know!!!

      Catholic. Condom. You answer your own question.

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      Everybody gets what the majority deserves.
  14. slow clap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gosh all you /. hipsters with the Pope and religion bashing, you're all so very cool and intellectual. Scores of really well-thought-out posts. /sarcasm.

  15. Ironic by Dreth · · Score: 0

    The only people that will actually wait for a religious figure to "approve" anything in order to implement it to their daily life are the people less likely to use the Internet, in this case. All the religious acquaintances I've met/kept in touch with online have used it regardless of this so-called "blessing".

    It doesn't matter if you're religious or not, if you're all waiting for someone to tell you "hey, this thing ain't so bad, I used it, so you can use it too!" then you deserve to be mocked.

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    All glory to Arstotzka!
  16. Slashtrolling by OakDragon · · Score: 1

    Really, does anyone think there would be any serious commentary under this story? On Slashdot?

  17. Tim Minchin said it best about the Pope by Creedo · · Score: 1
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    All that is necessary for the triumph of good is that evil men do nothing.
  18. He knows what he's talking about by ntropia · · Score: 1
    Loosely translated from Antonio Lanna:

    "He knows what he's talking about; it's 2000 years people doing his job use a nickname"

  19. Not a bad message by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 2

    The pope said there was "a Christian way of being present in the digital world: this takes the form of a communication which is honest and open, responsible and respectful of others."

    If people would actually follow this it would increase the quality of the discourse on the internet. Regardless of what you think of the religion, this is a good thing.

    And why must every Catholic article get the same tired pedophile priest jokes? There's no more pedophile priests than there are pedophile psychiatrists, teachers, and scout masters out there.

    1. Re:Not a bad message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that there are fewer pedophile psychiatrists, the difference is the psychiatrists' union doesn't work to protect them.

    2. Re:Not a bad message by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      > There's no more pedophile priests than there are
      > pedophile psychiatrists, teachers, and scout masters

      cite, please.

      The commonly-held belief is that the priesthood attracts self-loathing homosexuals and/or pedophiles at a higher rate than other professions. These people then try to use priesthood celibacy to repress their sexuality, and eventually they simply "burst".

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      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    3. Re:Not a bad message by DragonWriter · · Score: 2

      > There's no more pedophile priests than there are
      > pedophile psychiatrists, teachers, and scout masters

      cite, please.

      Here's one for starters.

      The commonly-held belief is that the priesthood attracts self-loathing homosexuals and/or pedophiles at a higher rate than other professions.

      Please point to any evidence for the effect this "commonly-held" belief explains (to wit, the supposedly greater incidence of abuse in the Catholic Church). You don't even need to support the explanation offered by the belief, just the thing it seeks to explain.

    4. Re:Not a bad message by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the article link!

    5. Re:Not a bad message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why must every Catholic article get the same tired pedophile priest jokes? There's no more pedophile priests than there are pedophile psychiatrists, teachers, and scout masters out there.

      Because you would expect people who are called by God to be his representatives on earth to have exactly 0 pedophiles among them, not the same percentage as some other random set of groups. Stating that priests are exactly the same as everyone else in this respect seems to suggest that they are no different in any other.

  20. Really? by maddogkistler · · Score: 2

    And this is why /. shouldn't post anything on religion. The readers of /. may know a lot about technology, but the people who post, don't know the first thing about religion and only post comments based off pop-culture and don't actually do their own research.

  21. Are they allowed to use Antivirus software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they allowed to use Antivirus software or do they have to explore the social media bareback, as it were. And do they have to commit to only one site or can they explore there options before choosing one site over the other?

  22. re: "eternal damnation" by eleuthero · · Score: 2

    Vatican 2 would indicate otherwise: http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/research/theology/ejournal/issue3/hall.htm. Though it does indicate that it is the most complete source of truth, those religions which most closely parallel its own teaching would appear to get rough approval. While the linked article does not discuss Protestant / Catholic issues, the Protestant churches of the world are those most likely to find approval under the Vatican 2 schema. "All truth is God's truth" is significant (though not stated this way) in the related documents and has led some Catholic theologians to look towards a type of inclusivistic redemption for those in other religions.

  23. Re: "eternal damnation" by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Apostasy might have harsher claimed consequences though (too lazy to check) - that was the scenario I had on my mind, which would be probably the case more often than not (in the context of "no one is forced to be a Catholic any more", being aware of internal processes of the Church and disliking them, considering how most Christians are Catholic, and also how the Church appears more concerned about those walking away than about losing some potential conversions)

    Inclusivistic redemption is only sensible considering how, in practice (and despite generally claims to the contrary), Catholicism ... Christianity ... heck, pretty much any religion is strongly syncretic; but that's beside the point.

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  24. Religion aside, we need netiquette standards by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think these will eventually evolve, but I'd like to see *more* organized pushes to set some standards. I've been a net denizen since around '91 and many of the issues I see people struggling with (or at least not appreciating the consequences of) I've already been through. Things like firing off that quick, snide comment, the persistence of any statements you make, privacy, etc. I'm by no means perfect or Lawful Good on the interwebz, but I at least understand what can happen every time I interact online.

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    I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
  25. I've mod points to burn today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want to let Taco and crew know that I won't be using any more of them on idle until I can view comments without having to manually change the URL.

    C'mon guys, fix idle already. It doesn't matter that a lot of people don't come here; it's the principle of the thing!

  26. Forget Christian netiquette... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...we need to see Muslim decency, beyond the two or three people that practice it.

  27. spreading the gospel by Tom · · Score: 0

    Note what it's aiming at.

    If you read between the lines, then obviously "spreading the gospel" is the only reason a devout cathaholic should have of being online. At least according to the pope.

    Wake me when they've left Lalaland and become more than old men with funny hats. Until then, go teach them about Eris and the FSM.

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    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
  28. anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still give a damn what that asshat has to say? I've never seen anyone more wishy-washy about what they say... that's religion for you though. Make exceptions where you see fit.

  29. He's right! by jancohen · · Score: 1

    Amazingly, preaching, teaching or reaching, everyone should unmask themselves.

  30. I think he brings up a good point by tkprit · · Score: 1

    There are some useless, hate-filled posts on the intrawebs by self-professed Christians. I can't help but think of Congressman Gifford's shooting, which may or may not have been politically-motivated, but the shooter got juiced somehow, and prolific hate messages are juice.

    Christians in particular (imho) seem to grab an issue and bang it into the ground, taunt others with it, etc.... which really isn't what Christianity is about. (Or Islam, or Buddhism, for that matter). So hearing a religious leader basically CONDEMN 'anonymous' intolerant hate messages sends a powerful message (I hope) that the self-professed religious are accountable for what they post.

    (And I esp. appreciate that the Pope made a unpopular statement like that — he knew he'd take heat for promoting tolerance, and he really has taken heat, even from his own priests who want to actively promote anti-choice/pro-life, or other agendas, on the intrawebs.)

  31. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Three pages full of comments and still no pedobear reference?

  32. Re: "eternal damnation" by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Generally, I somehow forgot the most important thing, what makes recent developments... slightly dubious, in context of matters at hand: how it is even possible, considering the Church always claims to be the most complete (or exclusive, at times) source of truth, to have things which at one point would land you in hell ... and at other point, in heaven? (and vice versa!!)

    (at least, regarding truth, Catholic Church earns a big plus with "truth cannot contradict truth" on the occasion of openly accepting evolution)

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    One that hath name thou can not otter