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Ruby Dropped In Netbeans 7
An anonymous reader writes "Ruby/RoR in NetBeans made headlines three years ago, but after Sun was acquired by Oracle there where fears that support for dynamic languages would suffer, as this IDE would be downsized. This has become a reality, since as of version 7, NetBeans will no longer support Ruby."
Anybody who programs in Ruby/RoR uses either vi or Rubymine.
It's a dead language I'd always say.
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I used to like NetBeans at least as much as Eclipse, but with Oracle in charge, I'm not sure I can trust the future of anything from them that's free.
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Congratulations, Timothy! You have all the editorial and proofreading skills of the average ghetto welfare recipient. Way to double-check something before you submit it to an audience of millions, you professional!
If I see just one month without egregious spelling and grammatical errors on the main page, I'll seriously consider a paid subscription. Until then, it's free account + Adblock Plus. Respect is earned.
'However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE. " Remember Netbeans is just Forte - the whole thing is just a collection of modules. Fork the ruby module.
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and again time of java and ruby enthusiasts had been wasted in retrospective...
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Ruby Dropped from Netbeans 7
Could even throw in the word support, making it even clearer.
and drop netbeans all together
The sooner there isn't an ide that allows someone to hack something together without writing code and clicking the next buttons on wizards the sooner people in my profession will stop asking me to "please do the needful for the same"
I support Eclipse dropping Ruby. It's a waste of time for them to support my favorite language. Eclipse is the peak of the Java wave. Nay, it is the very pinnacle of Gosling's genius. Anyone who looks at the incredible elegance of the system will quickly realize how unsuited it is to Ruby development. Ruby is just not ready for the brilliance of the Eclipse Development System. It was too shoddy, too tainted with the foul fumes of scripting languages. Practically reeks of Perl.
Until Ruby is worthy we'll just have to settle for Textmate and Vim.
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Oracle has nearly nothing to do with Ruby, so in that sense it's not surprising. However it's surprising that only a couple developers complaint about that in the Netbeans testers mailing list given the community that had been growing lately around this extension. In other news, Aptana seems to be a good alternative too.
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Netbeans became popular because Eclipse used to suck. This situation would bother me if we still were stuck in 2004. :)
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I still cannot fathom why anyone would like to spend the day typing the following.
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It gives me pascal flashbacks.
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Ok, no biggy, move on over to jetbrains.com and pick up a copy of ruby mine. Netbeans was always a poor IDEA knockoff anyway. And I have it from a solid reference, that Netbeans was struggling until it explicitly copied IDEA.
Some of us care about fine details, damnit!
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Got a link on how to hotdeploy a webapp to Oracle's WebLogic inside Eclipse? In my experience, edits to source code require a restart of WebLogic.
That you don't have to wait for an 'evil' big company to provide you with features. So stop whining and start coding a community modulebalready. Or is it 'free as in leech'?
I second that recommendation.
"sometimes you need to add or subtract whitespace to make your code more understandable. Add that to the fact some editors handle white space completely differently (tab is a character damn you!)."
This, and the other whitespace issues like tab vs. space and moving codeblocks around is not a problem with a decent editor. All good editors support visible tab characters, space->tab conversion and vice versa, and indentation of selections, and columnar editing. Some of the the best (such as Kate) also support decent dynamic wrapping that makes your code readable on any screensize, without breaking the visible layout of indents. I suspect anyone complaining about whitespace in python is basically just being willfully intransigent -- refusing to learn a new trick.
"But that's not the show stopper for me; for me what really makes me not like Python is things like terrible stability caused by things like poor dynamic variable management, system inconsistencies, general interpreter bugs, random memory leaks, global warming, ghosts, and who knows what. I just can't trust Python, end of story."
Now THAT is a better complaint. Same for me. I like coding in python; it's face, and just... nice. BUT, without proper type checking and at least proper threading (no GIL), it's just too lame for serious apps. At least it's better than Java / Scala / Ruby in terms of overhead, and better than Ruby in terms of performance and Unicode. That's good, but it's not enough.
At this point, I'm seriously considering going back to C++ or C. Go would have had a chance, if it was sane about supporting exceptions etc. Scala would have been perfect with a (much) lower overhead.
It's dropping paid dev support. Instead it will become a community run project like Python.
From TFA:
After this development, the NetBeans/Ruby support will become a community project, much like Python support
Netbeans is easily extendable through plugins. It's one of the features I like so much about it. The netbeans.org website even has tutorials for how to go about adding new language support through the use of plugins.
anyone care enough for netbeans, to save it?
Kate is exactly what you describe, has been working fine for me for the last ten years or so.
The title is so misleading. There is still a Ruby bundle for Netbeans 7.0. In fact you can download the beta now. What happened is they decided to stop paying employees to work on it and are handing it over to the community.
Having a bookmark to Google does not make you an expert on everything.
OK, I suppose.
But the thing with brackets is programmers have a huge set of tools created which are based on brackets. For example, pass over a bracket, and the matching bracket gets highlighted. Jedit even shows you the text of the matching line. Highly useful.
You can collapse and expand blocks, as well.
Second gripe: For a language that prides itself of removing superfluous dreck (brackets, semicolons), it's amazing that you have to manually pass along the current object ("self"). Bothersome both for high-school newbs and professional programmers.
Please don't say you can create a macro to automatically insert "self" for all of your functions. Because most editors also have macros for semicolons and brackets as well.
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There's conflicting information out there:
They say it's just RoR:
http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html
They say it's the Ruby language too:
http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/01/ruby-dropped-in-netbeans-7
Who's right?
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As long as machine is doing the typing, slightly easier reading is much more important than length of writing.
First, I don't use autocompletion. I've tried it and found that I can type faster than stopping every time to pick one of a set of options. Autocompletion is for people who can't type, If you can't type very fast you'll never be a very productive programmer.
Also, "end" isn't easier to read than "}". The closing brace has a distinctive shape, the only place it could be confusing is if it's mixed with parentheses, as often happens in Python, I don't program in Ruby so I don't know if it's the same problem there.
If they are in a line by themselves, braces are easier to see at a glance than "end", that was one of the details that got me to switch to C from Pascal. When you have to program or maintain millions of lines of code, every little detail matters, it may not be that much difference seeing one symbol or the other, but in the end the simpler one wins.
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Dropping Ruby from a Java IDE doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. It's bloat. The ruby folks can develop a great IDE of their own or use the nightmare that is eclipse or buy Intellij Idea. Ruby on Rails seems like a great prototyping language/framework, but aside from twitter, I can't think of many large scale sites using it.
I have used netbeans for PHP in the past and it worked better than eclipse, but I still wonder if it should stick to just java. The only reason I used netbeans is because it takes twenty minutes or a restart of eclipse to pickup new methods in PHP class files. The whole point of using a bloated IDE for PHP is code completion, easy access to documentation, etc. Now, I just use vim at work.
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Jesus Tittyfucking Christ... I don't know why I still bother to browse this site from time to time. It's a hollow shell of what it was before the buyout. Most of the posts today are some variation of:
The information is always utter crap, neither fact-checked nor probably even read by the editor... and has no other purpose than to attract eyeballs by provoking flamewars. 90% of the comments are by marks who swallowed the bait, and of course didn't bother to RTFA. The only real value of this site is in the 10% of readers who have a clue and comment with actual information in response to the posts.
The parent is one such 10%'er. NetBeans is not "dropping" Ruby... it's simply handing off the code to the community. Just as Oracle did in handing off TopLink (i.e. EclipseLink) to the Eclipse Foundation. The person who submitted this story is an idiot, as is the lazy editor who posted it. There's really nothing else to add.
They have limited resources. The Ruby plugin was hardly being used. It makes good sense to spin that out to the community.
Having started with a Netbeans EAR project, I never seemed to be quite smart enough to get it working in Eclipse. As of a couple of days ago I've started converting my Netbeans/Ant projects over to Maven so i can open them up in Netbeans, Eclipse, Vi, etc. While I still prefer Netbeans over Eclipse I'm sure soon will come the time when Oracle will destroy the product and I'll make the switch.
http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/
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I'm using redcar. Gotta check out Eclipse and see if they've made much progress.
From you posting I take it you did not use NetBeans recently. Netbeans has improved a lot. I even think it is better the InteliJ IDEA these days. At the very least NetBeans has the best Maven integration of the three. Just saying because you don't like Ant.
Actually Twitter uses Scala these days.