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System Measures Stress In Emergency Callers' Voice

cylonlover writes "Chances are that if you're calling 9-1-1 (or 9-9-9, or whatever it is where you are), you're not likely to tell the operator that your case isn't all that urgent, and that it can wait. The problem is, sometimes emergency dispatch centers are so overloaded with callers – all of them stating that they need assistance right now – that some sort of system is required in order to determine who should get help first. Dutch researchers claim to have developed just such a system, which analyzes callers' voices to determine how stressed-out they are."

238 comments

  1. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Afghani freedom fighters organise a denial-of-service attack by playing back Frodo in the Lord of the Rings to the telephone.

  2. Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How well does this thing work with child callers, or those with developmental disabilities who do not respond 'normally' to emergency situations?

    1. Re:Calibration? by warp_kez · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or those who have been in "these" situations before and now how to go about the call calmly.

    2. Re:Calibration? by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or those who just don't give a fuck. "Yeah my asshole husband who beats me had a heart attack, and lost consciousness. (yawn). We live at 10 main street. Please hurry. Or not. Whatever."

      This sounds like the Dutch are "rationing" their healthcare. What they should be doing is the same thing the ISPs should be doing - laying more lines (and people) to handle the load, rather than capping service.

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    3. Re:Calibration? by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly right. This sounds like a bad idea, in that it automatically penalizes those who, by virtue of training, experience, or simply an abundance of mellowness, don't present the physiological response this system is designed to detect. Conversely, it rewards those who are wound too tight or who have simply led very sheltered lives and are completely undone when the water heater starts to leak.
      Cool technology, totally misapplied.

    4. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider someone in shock or with massive blood loss that is slowly and calmly passing into the abyss.

      They would be prioritized as minor issues even though these represent the most serious cases.

    5. Re:Calibration? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah... Hysterical people now get better emergency aid than those of us who manage to remain calm in stressful situations?

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    6. Re:Calibration? by dov_0 · · Score: 2

      How well does this thing work with child callers, or those with developmental disabilities who do not respond 'normally' to emergency situations?

      Or how does it work with people who just don't flip out easily? As an ex firefighter, I don't stress out easily. Panicking or stressing out is for AFTER the emergency when you have time. When I have to make an emergency call, I'm not enormously stressed at all - I'm just focusing on getting across the required information as clearly as possible.

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    7. Re:Calibration? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought. Not even just people who have "been in these situations" but, anyone who keeps their head calm in a situation.

      A couple of years back I had a case of walking pneumonia (clearly, I didn't know, hence 'walking'). One night, after poker, while hanging out with some friends, I coughed and covered my face with my hands. As I pulled my hands away from my face, I saw them absolutely covered in blood.

      Everyone around me freaked. I just calmly got up, and started getting ready to go to the hospital. As I am doing this, everyone around me seemed to take my calmness as me not considering the situation as serious. So of course, they felt the need to bother me and repeatedly tell me how serious this was, and even as I am putting shoes on and grabbing my jacket, are still advising me that I should definitely go to the hospital.

      I have to wonder, if I call 911 with one of these systems, and start calmly describing the situation, are they going to now see how not-stressed I am and ignore me? Will someone die because I didn't totally freak out calling for help?

      This seems like a good idea, but, I do have to wonder if it wont be relied on too heavily.

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    8. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I fail to see is how they can achieve an error rate of 4,2% just by analyzing the stress of the caller's voice. If this number is true, wouldn't about 75%(20% might be non-urgent self-controlled "calm" calls) of all the callers have trouble managing to remain calm during stressful situations? That's unthinkable to me!

    9. Re:Calibration? by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "This sounds like the Dutch are "rationing" their healthcare."

      Yep, first the heart attacks and aneurysms, then the teens who started fireworks from their ass.

    10. Re:Calibration? by poetmatt · · Score: 0

      Actually, what about the reverse of the general measure? Don't they ask people to remain calm in an emergency? If someone is going into shock and losing blood fast, but someone else is on the phone and calm, are they just going to put them on hold, then?

    11. Re:Calibration? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Hysterical people now get better emergency aid than those of us who manage to remain calm in stressful situations?"

      In hospitals, yelling, hysterical people get also more of the good stuff.

    12. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like a member of the emergency services themselves calling for someone they found on the street or something.

    13. Re:Calibration? by somersault · · Score: 1

      That's unthinkable to me!

      Stressing you out a little, is it? ;)

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      which is totally what she said
    14. Re:Calibration? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I think saying "I coughed up a load of blood into my hands" is probably enough of a clue to an emergency response .. uh.. technician that you need urgent help.

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      which is totally what she said
    15. Re:Calibration? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Or the roughly 10% of the population with deep voices, who already have problems enough as is with automated voice systems?

    16. Re:Calibration? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll risk a Redundant by tagging off of your great comment.

      Wouldn't this penalize ALL military/ex personnel? "Hello - yes - this is Daniel Johnson of 16380 Main St and we have a situation. My son ripped his whole leg open on some metal debris out in public land that was apparently dumped in violation. Please send a blood trauma crew."

      vs.

      "Oh my gawd my kid got a nail in his leg after some goddamn moron left a bunch of crap out in the field. Do you think he'll die from tetnus????"

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    17. Re:Calibration? by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Quite true the person dosn't even have to be abnormal for this to be a problem. Lets say a mother is calling about her 4 year olds broken leg, and another woman is calling about her waitress with a gunshot wound to the chest. While the 2nd one is going to be startled, she will be far calmer getting help for a stranger, then the woman who's child is hurt.

    18. Re:Calibration? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      One would hope. Of course, I didn't call 911, I got a ride from someone who was there.

      However, if the situation isn't that cut and dry, then what?

      My friend fell, his arm is clearly broken but, I am worried that his neck might be too. Is this system going to notice a lack of stress and assume I must be bluffing about his neck to get faster service?

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    19. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry,sir, you are not doing this properly. Let me correct it for you.

      BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE ISNTT FOLLOWING NORMAL BBEHAVORI !!!!!!111 THEN OTHER EMERGENCIES MUST WIAT !! THIS SYSTEM WILL DOOME US ALLLAL !!!!!!11

    20. Re:Calibration? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You're supposed lack of emotional response would likely fit the same profile that someone suffering shock would. So long as they took the "in shock" possibility into account, and it did put you there, you'd probably be raised to the higher priorities.

      Think about it.

      Legitimate calls would sound stressed or null.
      Fake calls would sound excited/nervous/amused.

      Incidentally, hypochondriacs would also sound stressed.... so I don't see the help there.

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    21. Re:Calibration? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Keep your cool, don't panic.

      After all this technology doesn't work.

      This has been debunked so many times.

      Of course using it for emergency calls is even stupider that the previous snake-oil, using it to detect benefits cheats.

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    22. Re:Calibration? by Eudial · · Score: 2

      Which one is the ex military guy?

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    23. Re:Calibration? by green1 · · Score: 1

      exactly the same problem I have, I work on an ambulance, I'm used to seeing and dealing with all sorts of patients in all sorts of conditions from "just fine" to "oh my god!"

      When I've called 911 when not working (and I've had to do so on quite a few occasions, usually while volunteering my first aid services) I've already confused some dispatchers by being too calm. I explain the situation, the measures that have been taken, and the resources I need. All without panicking I've certainly heard a few dispatchers stop stunned at a bit of a loss for words before coming back and confirming that they heard me right.

      This seems like a neat technology, but I just don't think this is the appropriate implementation of it. maybe better used on a counselling hotline...

    24. Re:Calibration? by formfeed · · Score: 1

      Right, bad idea. Like the rate-your-pain scale at the hospital.
      Through the pain I experienced I'd rate a fractured rib at a 5. Maybe 4 in a not so severe case. But to get any attention I'd better call it a 8 or 9.

      While a pain scale could be calibrated by one extra question (compare this pain to a past experience), I can't see a practible calibration with this system. -Which won't prevent some moron from deploying it. People like numbers. They are good for funding and decision making. Whether the quantification process is accurate or not: if I can quantify it, it immediately seems to be much, much more objective.

    25. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is exactly the problem. People with ADD tend to become very calm in the worst emergencies and then fall apart after, but airheads get in a tizzy when their cat is up a tree. People who stagger out of their burning upturned vehicle tend to sound stupid or drunk just before passing out or going into shock. There are so many more examples.

    26. Re:Calibration? by Jessified · · Score: 1

      Triage=/=rationing

      And rationing isn't even always bad thing. Ths US rations all the time (i.e. those who can pay get service and those who can't don't, which being Canadian, I would argue is bad for healthcare). Even within the top tier of those who do get service, the insurance companies make cost/benefit decisions. You aren't going to get chemotherapy for a hang nail, no matter how bad you want it (and that's a good thing). But, "OOOO Rationing! Death Panels! CommuTerrorism!"

    27. Re:Calibration? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      A sure indication that the call is about a domestic disturbance.

      "We've already sent the lawyer with a restraining order ma'am."

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    28. Re:Calibration? by ddd0004 · · Score: 2

      It's easy. When you first call in, you are given a simple calibration test.

      Welcome to the emergency services hotline. In order to properly handle your call, you will be given a simple 10-15 minute calibration test where you are asked to read a series of simple sentences and phrases. To ensure optimum placement in our call queue, you will need to recite each sentence in a calm and even pace. If you do not respond after a period of 1 minute, it is assumed you have perished. Your call will be forwarded to the county morgue for them to collect your remains at their earliest convenience.

      Please repeat the following statement in your normal speaking voice:
      My pimp has stabbed me.
      I have been involved in a drug deal that has gone poorly. .....

    29. Re:Calibration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have experienced the same type of issue in the emergency room and urgent care facilities. Sort of squeaky wheel getting the grease. In one instance I had cut myself rather seriously (no not emo, construction accident), hit artery as there was spurting, using pressure I staunched the flow. Was calm and collected when describing the incident and severity of the cut to the admitting nurse. Waited close to an hour, multiple patients who came in after with complaints like sprained ankle and sore throat (I was sitting close enough to admitting nurse to hear their conversations, so much for patient confidentiality) were seen. Finally I removed direct pressure and let the blood flow, I was immediately seen, was getting stitched within 5 minutes.

      I agree with that some rationing is inevitable, supply and demand and all that. Problem is making decisions based on the wrong variables. Panic is not the right variable in assessing a patients condition.

    30. Re:Calibration? by bdh · · Score: 1

      How do you "calibrate" a system that accommodates both the Steven Wrights of the world, and the Sam Kinisons, at the same time?

      One of the problems reported in some airline crashes is that professional airline pilots can be too professional. In one case, a pilot was calling a mayday and was pretty much ignored because his voice was a monotone, as he'd been trained.

      My mom was an emergency room RN, and I found out early as a child that it's possible to be too dispassionate about things. On the one hand, when I was stabbed, it was really good to have a professional trauma nurse for a mom. On the other, it took a while to get the neighbours to react (phoning the hospital to know we were coming, getting a ride, clearing the streets, etc), because Mom wasn't running around screaming and attracting attention the way a normal civilian would, to get attention. Fortunately, my grandmother (whose dials started at 11, and worked up from there) was available to provide the necessary hysterics that got the neighbourhood going.

    31. Re:Calibration? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      My doctor learned to stop using the "rate your pain" scale on me when he found out I'd been walking on a broken foot for 3 weeks before I decided it shouldn't still be hurting and went to go see him to see if it was sprained badly. In that particular case, my left 5th metatarsal was in 3 pieces. During those 3 weeks I continued to run on a daily basis (though I'd cut my usual quarter marathon by 3 miles), and was continuing to train at Jiu Jitsu.

      Some people simply have exceedingly high pain thresholds in general, and many others have very high thresholds when it comes to certain types of injury. I know people who can't feel a burn, for example, but have no tolerance at all for something that breaks the skin or a broken bone.

      And at the risk of talking in circles, it's for exactly that reason that a system as described is an incredibly bad idea. But I'd add one more consideration that nobody seems to have mentionned: shock. A person who's in shock may seem completely and utterly calm, outwardly. Their voice can be level, not shaky at all, and they can seem very stable, but they could still be in a state of shock. The system could easily garner a false negative because of that, and deprioritize sending an ambulance for a situation where somebody's life is at serious risk.

    32. Re:Calibration? by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I've been through emergencies before. I tend to get exceedingly rational, clear, and calm. In these situations, I know that saying something clearly and comprehensibly is the fastest way to get help for those who need it. Would I get pushed down the queue as a result?

      I like the idea in principle, but I'm leery of how well it works.

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    33. Re:Calibration? by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      "Do you think he'll die from tetnus????"

      I originally read this as "tetris" which would make for a hilariously appropriate panicked 911 call.

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    34. Re:Calibration? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It's one thing for you to not be able to take care of yourself. It's another for a government agency to demand they be allowed to do that, then purposely refuse to.

      I'm sorry we are such a sad state of affairs that you think both of those are the same situation. Freedom is a lost cause anymore I guess. Well, cheers to the new generation who probably know more about more things then the last but lacks anything near the wisdom the last held.

    35. Re:Calibration? by Jessified · · Score: 2

      Canada is doing just fine with universal health care. It's not perfect, but per capita, the number of people not receiving health care is many times fewer than in the US. And before you go all American propaganda on how we are communists who have to eat our own shoes to survive, know that I am Canadian, and a of mine family member has a serious health condition and she is receiving stellar health care (for example, an MRI/week). Per capita, we pay less for that level of care, too (taxes vs insurance rates). Pay no attention to Fox News.

      You want to ensure that every child has access to some amount of education but not health care? Cognitive dissonance much?

    36. Re:Calibration? by EdIII · · Score: 1

      It also depends greatly on the situation itself. I would imagine hypoglycemic reactions might cause a person to appear drowsy and mellow when in fact they are in very serious trouble. I have had one and I felt like I was on tranquilizers. In my mind I knew that I was in trouble but outwardly seemed like I just woke up and could barely function.

      What about people with a stroke?

      I am sure there are plenty of quite serious medical conditions where the caller is the victim/patient and their physical/mental state does not allow them to exhibit the kind of responses this system would need to categorize them properly.

      Great idea. It is. But it should only be used as one piece of criteria for the operators to prioritize calls. Unfortunately, I can see inept and inexperienced operators relying on this to heavily and some people getting hurt/killed because of it.

    37. Re:Calibration? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yes, Canada is doing fine with health-care. The finally made it legal for wait insurance and medical tourism where Canadians can go offshore for treatment without being penalized by the national system. It only took a few years and a Canadian supreme court case.

      But you cannot compare the number of people not receiving health care directly to both those listed countries. The problem is the stats in the US are inflated because the poor already qualify for government medical coverage yet get lumped in with those without insurance.

      You want to ensure that every child has access to some amount of education but not health care? Cognitive dissonance much?

      You should really look into the facts before making completely false accusations. Every child in America has access to health care. Even if their parents do not qualify for the various government programs, if the child needs treatment, they kick in and then go back on the parents. Something that may surprise you is that roughly 53 percent or better of all health care in the US is government funded already. The majority of people without health care are those who chose not to get it for some reason or another. That leaves a minority of people who are disqualified for some reason or on the fringe income level where the legitimately don't make enough to pay for coverage.

      the health care debate in the US is not about getting coverage for the most part, it's about not paying for it yourself.

    38. Re:Calibration? by awyeah · · Score: 1

      Not that I don't believe you, but can you cite those numbers?

      Thanks!

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    39. Re:Calibration? by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      Canada rations all the time. those who can afford to wait get service and those who can't don't. You aren't using money, but it is happening. And then instead of just of cost health care, you have to factor in lost time and wages for the waiting period. Chemotherapy for a hangnail is simply bad medical practice. Chemotherapy is when you are literally poisoned in the hope the cancer dies before your normal cells do.

    40. Re:Calibration? by Jessified · · Score: 1

      The wait times aren't arbitrary. It's a form of triage, based on who needs it the most urgently. It's not "those who can afford to wait get service and those who can't don't." It's actually the reverse: those in can afford to wait do, and those who can't afford to wait get prioritized.

      ??? Not sure what you are trying to say, if anything.

    41. Re:Calibration? by WorBlux · · Score: 1
      It's a form of rationing. It imposes an opportunity costs on those who would benefit from some sort of medical aide, but will not die soon without it. If you decreased the wait time from 6 hours to three, (In the same way as if you were to cut direct monetary costs in the U.S.) more people would show up for care, proving that while the health-care is not rationed directly by monetary price, it is ration by the cost of time. Say I have a fairly minor injury, but would still benefit from medical treatment, and such treatment would prevent further complications.. Say a severe upper respiratory infection or a broken finger. Antibiotics or a proper medical splint would significantly improve my life over the next few weeks and help prevent spread or worsening the infection or decrease the chance of the bone setting improperly, but if I have to wait half a day to get care I might just suffer through it.

      Also, you're claiming to judge affordability from and objective perspective, rather than of subjective utility which is what I was talking about

    42. Re:Calibration? by IRoll11!s · · Score: 1

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    43. Re:Calibration? by swamp_ig · · Score: 1

      I work in a hospital emergency department.

      In my experience the correlation between stress levels and urgency has an R value of about 0.00001.

      Stress level mostly depends on how crazy the patient is, and I suspect the correlation betwen crazyness of customer and number of emergency services calls recieved has an R value of somewhere aproaching 0.9999

    44. Re:Calibration? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Various people have responded.

      You have put things very precisely. I have had to do "triage" (I am not a emergency professional.) ; it is not fun. And everyone makes mistakes.

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  3. Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had a girlfriend who's mom would freak out at the most silly things, and not so silly too, accentuating her voice to make this overtly apparent.

    Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat. Very unfortunate, and people react very different in panicked, or life threatening, situations.

    I wonder how well this detection will hold up, 4% margin of error seems quite low.

    1. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have seen her when I "accidentally" ran over her cat.

      fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Overt Reactions by Anrego · · Score: 1

      That was my first reaction as well. They arn't clear on whether that error rare is the systems ability to recognize voice stress, or the corrolation of voice stress to emergency severity.

      We all know people who fall apart when something goes wrong... and we (or at least I) know people who could calmly tell the operator that they have cut their leg off with a chainsaw and would greatly appreciate it if someone could come down and give them a hand.

      And then there are children, who can react in an even wider variety of extremes.

    3. Re:Overt Reactions by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I had a girlfriend who's mom would freak out at the most silly things, and not so silly too, accentuating her voice to make this overtly apparent.

      You modded him Troll? wtf???

      Mod him up, I was going to post the same thing.

      There are people that are just HORRIBLY unable to maintain
      themselves at the least bit of stress.

      I remember running to shrill blood curdling screams to find
      out the person screaming was upset at something very trivial.
      Like literally spilled (milk) liquid.

      I've broken up with someone because their reaction level
      to minor issues was off the chart and I figured in a LTR
      I would be at a major disadvantage if I was any further
      than driving distance from home.

      So... good luck with that.

      -AI

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    4. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      people who could calmly tell the operator that they have cut their leg off with a chainsaw and would greatly appreciate it if someone could come down and give them a hand.

      Why on earth would you want a HAND when it's the LEG that's cut off?

    5. Re:Overt Reactions by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat.

      Why don't you detail the value system you want to impose on others so we can learn from you how serious we should or shouldn't find that?

    6. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat.

      Why don't you detail the value system you want to impose on others so we can learn from you how serious we should or shouldn't find that?

      the value system to be imposed would definitely include the belief that nigger jokes are hilarious. thank you for asking, you pussy.

    7. Re:Overt Reactions by robot256 · · Score: 1

      Hey, if I could trade a leg for a third hand, I'd give it some serious consideration. Sure, I'd have to recharge the wheel-chair every night and keep a crutch around, but boy would it make soldering easier!

    8. Re:Overt Reactions by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat.

      While I'm willing to concede that maybe she was a little excitable, I'm pretty sure if you run over most people's pet they're going to have a pretty big stress reaction ... that doesn't seem like a very fair example. :-P

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    9. Re:Overt Reactions by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

      you could make yourself a robo leg. You'll be back on your feet in no time...

    10. Re:Overt Reactions by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      I had a girlfriend who's mom would freak out at the most silly things . . .Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat.

      Well, replace the word "accidentally" with "repeatedly" and the word "cat" with "daughter".

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    11. Re:Overt Reactions by Inda · · Score: 1

      Well done my new cat killing friend! One down, many to go!

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    12. Re:Overt Reactions by somersault · · Score: 1

      FYI, I didn't interpret that as included in one of the "most silly" things.

      It is interesting to imagine someone who flips out at the littlest things reacting to something that serious though. What level is there left to go up to when you go batshit crazy at having too big of a clothes pile to wash?

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    13. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Should have seen her when I accidentally ran over her cat....

      You just made my day

    14. Re:Overt Reactions by sznupi · · Score: 1

      people who could calmly tell the operator that they have cut their leg off with a chainsaw

      Most likely because they are drifting away from blood loss (if they even managed to keep consciousness that long)

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    15. Re:Overt Reactions by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Good reason to always carry clotting powder/clotting bandages with you when using chainsaws/axes/powerful sharp spinning things of any kind. If you don't pass out you might actually survive. Never been in the situation so don't know how I'd react... as tough as I like to think I am I'd probably just scream a lot and bleed to death.

      But yeah, that was a fairly extreme example.. I suspect it would be fairly difficult to actually amputate a limb with a modern chainsaw anyway. A deep cut, sure, but I imagine by the time the blade contacts the leg, it's already in the process of stopping.

    16. Re:Overt Reactions by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      I don't think that someone who panics at something small necessarily collapses completely at something very big. If I "lose it" in any way, it is at myself after intense thought, and never in an emergency situation. In the midst of some serious event, especially involving others, I seem to be fairly composed, though alert. This seems to be the body acting on spec.

      Part of the problem is - and I admit my response above was slightly knee-jerk trollish to a trollish post - people having an opinion on what others should/shouldn't find serious. The experience of being near something dying/dead doesn't distress me, and I'm sometimes regarded as cold when it comes to responding to the emotion of individuals. But the thought of many avoidable deaths/suffering occurring all the time in the world does distress me, and I'll apply this on an individual level to try to help people rationally approach their problems.

      In particular, the idea of "accidentally running over" something while driving (a private vehicle) is, to me, contradictory. Driving is, compared to pretty much everything humans do, statistically extremely dangerous. And drivers know this. So, if you choose to drive regularly then you are choosing to occasionally kill small animals. It might be incidental in that it's not a purpose of driving, but it's not accidental: you're choosing a method which you know will cause this. Driver instruction material in the UK, reassuringly rational, does emphasise this theme of responsibility: an incident (note the term) is almost always the result of a driver not behaving correctly to avoid an incident. The unforeseen nature of a true accident rarely applies to a driving incident.

    17. Re:Overt Reactions by somersault · · Score: 1

      I get your point about driving responsibility, I did my UK "Advanced Driving" course/test a couple of years ago, but it's a bit harsh to suggest that the guy could have foreseen running over his gf's cat. Even if he checked under and around the car, if the cat was hiding in a bush, and happened to get spooked as he was moving down the driveway at 3mph, he could run it over without ever actually seeing it. There are some things that are truly unavoidable, though I'd say they're less than 1% of all driving "incidents".

      I did find our cat dead by the side of the road once (this was in a country area with a speed limit of 60mph). I guess I handled the situation pretty calmly, I just carried him up to the house and told everyone. Don't remember crying about it, though I was obviously sad. I tend to handle relatives dying pretty calmly too - didn't cry about my grandfather dying until his funeral (though Gaelic singing is quite distressing in and of itself). When I found out that my dad had died I did end up in tears within a minute or two though..

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    18. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) He said he had a girlfriend, this implies that he is lying.
      2) He talked about running over a cat. The only thing you could say that is worse is talking about raping a child.
      3) He is still alive despite #2.

    19. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this will help you understand GP:
      Imagine a person who overreacts and panics at even the slightest setback. Imagine how that person would respond to something that genuinely is a problem.

    20. Re:Overt Reactions by anegg · · Score: 1

      My wife also tends to non-linear responses to accidents. Fortunately, her responses tend to flatten out as things get more serious, and she is reasonably dependable in real emergencies. I've learned to live with the instinctive little jolts my body develops when she responds to minor incidents.

    21. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because if they replace it with a hand, you can wank without undoing your trousers?

    22. Re:Overt Reactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they did a spectacular job of the removal; worthy of applause?

    23. Re:Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      Her reaction did equate to one as if losing a child, and understandably so. If anything, I cry at the loss of an animal too, and believe me I did.

      Context also factors into a situation's seriousness, as it balances out emotional attachment. Without context, our mouth-noises can be misinterpreted - That is what I meant, not sure how you misinterpreted that.. must've been out of context...

    24. Re:Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      This is why I am now browsing at +1. "Enhance your calm, John Spartan."

    25. Re:Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      Yes I did check under the car, as the kitties have a habit or sleeping under the shade of the fenders during hot days, and also sometimes run out of the bushes padding the driveway, so I always back out the driveway _very_slowly_. I'm always aware with animals around. I know vehicles are killing machines. Jumped out the car, ran to the old kittie flailing on the ground, and saw it's eyes glaze over as it died a few seconds later. :-(

    26. Re:Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      Semantics.
      An accident is something that happens outside of intent.
      An incident is an event that has happened intentionally or not.
      All accidents can be considered incidents, but not all incidents are accidents.

    27. Re:Overt Reactions by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      That's nasty. Lol. Yes, you _are_ a crackpot! :-D

  4. Nice, but... by ArAgost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is very nice from the signal analysis perspective, but the implication that emergency call may be delayed if the caller is not stressed is a bad idea

    1. Re:Nice, but... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      This is very nice from the signal analysis perspective, but the implication that emergency call may be delayed if the caller is not stressed is a bad idea

      I was kind of thinking the same thing ... if the person making the call is an off-duty first-responder, you would expect them to know exactly what they need, but have less stress in their voice because they're better trained.

      Delaying your response because someone is cool under pressure might actually cause some new problems.

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    2. Re:Nice, but... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Maybe the analysis is a little more sophisticated than all these posts are guessing and can detect underlying tension, even if the caller is not hysterically screaming (I have no idea, just saying that people are awfully quick to associate relatively calm callers with low voice stress, which I don't think is so obvious).

      Then there is the part where this is only going to factor in when the call centers are overloaded, a situation where something that only works a lot of time can still do lots of good.

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    3. Re:Nice, but... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then there is the part where this is only going to factor in when the call centers are overloaded, a situation where something that only works a lot of time can still do lots of good.

      Well, Slashdot being comprised of a large number of cynical, jaded people who have worked in engineering related jobs ... we look for the ways this will go horribly wrong first, and then decide if those outweigh the planned benefits. If your false-positive/false-negative rate is too high, your system becomes junk.

      This reminds me a lot of polygraphs ... voice-stress analysis might be a lot smarter than we expect it to be ... but, there's a reason why polygraphs aren't admissible in many places in court. It's vague and subjective in a lot of cases. As a result, associated technology isn't always readily trusted by some of us.

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    4. Re:Nice, but... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I can't see using the system to deny callers access to an operator, so the system doesn't have to work particularly well to reduce the average response times for time sensitive emergencies.

      (I suppose some people would freak out and say that adding a minute to any response time is unacceptable, even if the overwhelming typical case is that it reduces response times, but I'm willing to write those people off as crazy)

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    5. Re:Nice, but... by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Yes, this seems like a textbook case of putting the cart before the horse (or rather, making sure you have the *best* anti-virus software for Windows on your voting machine). You should prioritize emergencies according to a pre-specified ranking of what's most urgent, and have the 911 operators learn this and dispatch based on it.

      You certainly don't want to prioritize a woman *panicking* about how they served her a bad burger (see the "worst 911 calls" compilations sometimes), over a retired EMT who is able to calmly report the necessary information when someone is unconscious and not breathing.

      And you sure as hell don't want people practicing their panic voices in an attempt to get the best response from emergency services.

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    6. Re:Nice, but... by Infernal+Device · · Score: 1

      Well, Slashdot being comprised of a large number of cynical, jaded people who have worked in engineering related jobs ... we look for the ways this will go horribly wrong first, and then decide if those outweigh the planned benefits. If your false-positive/false-negative rate is too high, your system becomes junk.

      This reminds me a lot of polygraphs ... voice-stress analysis might be a lot smarter than we expect it to be ... but, there's a reason why polygraphs aren't admissible in many places in court. It's vague and subjective in a lot of cases. As a result, associated technology isn't always readily trusted by some of us.

      It makes sense to ensure that the system isn't going to fail, because the one time it does, potentially, someone dies. Then there are lawsuits and political hearings and no one wants that.

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    7. Re:Nice, but... by anegg · · Score: 1

      Right. Before going much further with their research, I would hope that they would first test their implicit assumption that incidents with the most stressed-out callers are the ones that should be moved to the front of the queue. I believe that they would not find nearly enough correlation to justify that method of triage.

    8. Re:Nice, but... by julesh · · Score: 1

      but, there's a reason why polygraphs aren't admissible in many places in court. It's vague and subjective in a lot of cases.

      Not to mention unsupported by actual science, with strong criticism levelled at the methods of most studies that support their validity.

  5. Stress != Urgency by Greymalkin99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How well people deal with emergency situations varies hugely. This system would prioritise a 5 year old ringing about a huge splinter she just got over a military veteran reporting a 3 car pileup with limbs everywhere. Can't beat human judgement in a job as important as this.

    1. Re:Stress != Urgency by Onuma · · Score: 1

      Heh...that made me think of a giant junkyard construct with numerous metallic tentacle-limbs.

      And what if it's a child vampire, a la "Interview..." ?

      I agree though. Guys like me are not likely to stress over stuff, but people who haven't experienced chaos & carnage are more likely to freak out.

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    2. Re:Stress != Urgency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd call in the military if Woody Allen called up about anything.

      Wait, that reference might be too old for some of you slashdotters.

      They'd call in the military if Kif Kroker called up about anything.

    3. Re:Stress != Urgency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, no, it also intelligently works out what you are saying and prioritizes the calls on the urgency of the type of emergency it is.

      it also works out if you require any particular food and drink, finds a local takeaway or preferably delivery service and orders the food via an automated service

      and it can fly and turn invisible at will.

    4. Re:Stress != Urgency by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Perhaps other information can be gathered... "Welcome to 911! Please type in the number of people requiring emergency services, followed by the pound symbol."

      What other questions are there? "Please enter how many minutes you estimate the person has left."

      "For ambulance, press 1, for fire, press 2. For police, press 3.".

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    5. Re:Stress != Urgency by C_amiga_fan · · Score: 0

      >>>This system would prioritise a 5 year old ringing about a huge splinter, over a military veteran reporting a 3 car pileup

      Well this is what happens when your government runs-out of money, doesn't want to spend any Euros to upgrade the 911 system to handle more calls (and more operators), so instead they start rationing the medical care by using a computer that "screens out" people.

      I predict in another year or two we'll start hearing stories about Patients that died at home because the 911 Computer decided they were "not stressed enough" and left them without care.

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    6. Re:Stress != Urgency by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know, that'd be faster than any 911 call I've made recently....

      911 op: "911, what's your emergency?"
      Me: "A half-ton truck just rear-ended an ammonia trailer, flipped over into the ditch and the occupant is bleeding profusely. I can't remove him from the vehicle. My location is Road 19W on the highway, just east of the exit to (whatever town it was)."
      911 op: "Okie, let me just type that in here for a sec... (pause) ...there! So, I'm going to connect you with the local police department."

      Cue the introductions, me explaining the whole bloody thing again, giving the location again, followed by giving directions because they don't understand the addressing system that was actually put in place to make it easier for emergency responders to find places in just such a situation.

      I miss the gold old days when calling 911 meant you were talking to someone was located in the general area of the city and surrounding roads, not someone in a call center on the other end of the country.

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    7. Re:Stress != Urgency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the difference between someone actively experiencing it and someone who just witnessed it.

      Hypothetically two calls come in:
        - The first by a girl who is REALLY shaken up because she just ran her can into a telephone pole but there aren't any serious injuries.
        - The second is a witness of a major accident, but everyone is still trapped inside their cars and there isn't any visible blood.'

      This system would likely prioritize the hysterical safe woman over the (probably) calmer witness where people may actually need a serious and time-sensitive rescue effort to reach/save.

    8. Re:Stress != Urgency by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      It's some independent researchers. I wouldn't worry about the government adopting it.

    9. Re:Stress != Urgency by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Curious how /. seems to be almost united in hysteria (ironically...) about the idea.

      First, how do you know the system would fail in the way you describe? What gives you so strong belief in the human judgement capabilities? [*] Seriously, look at the list of cognitive biases if you have any doubt how poor grip on ourselves we have, on what's "obvious" (especially in time-limited situations, when our brains do a lot of guessing, a lot of "usually good enough" decisions) Then consider that those designing the system in question have PLENTY of voice samples to train it, to detect any subtle, non-obvious to humans (but reliable, they claim sub 5% error rate) hints - emergency calls are recorded! (with post-event evaluation likely, if gathering such data)

      * Nvm how this system is meant to enhance those capabilities during stressful conditions (also for the operator), not replace them. To "distribute" that enhancement to every call center - big gains can be had not only when "AI" is better than best humans doing a particular job, also when it's better from average ones!
      Sure, we might have another moral panic in some time, when some singular errors of such system will be reported - but I'm pretty certain the Dutch would make sure the gains outweigh them, before adopting such system. That's the best you can do, in the real world of limited resources.

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    10. Re:Stress != Urgency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still like that some places. I'm on a rural fire deparment and our dispatch center is 1.5 hours away. They're not perfect but from our perspective they do a great job and they do understand the area. Now if we were talking about the last dispatcher I talked to in a city I'd have a different answer.

    11. Re:Stress != Urgency by syousef · · Score: 1

      How well people deal with emergency situations varies hugely. This system would prioritise a 5 year old ringing about a huge splinter she just got over a military veteran reporting a 3 car pileup with limbs everywhere.

      Can't beat human judgement in a job as important as this.

      "I'm sorry sir, we're going to let your loved one die now because you kept calm in your emergency. Have a nice day."

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    12. Re:Stress != Urgency by Shaiku · · Score: 1

      This comes to mind:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9JWNdAX6jI Chappelle 911 call.

    13. Re:Stress != Urgency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the good old days they could find you because your phone was permanently wired to one address.

    14. Re:Stress != Urgency by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      OP implied that he gave the address of a nearby home, most likely a fire number based on his description (so called because it was designed to be easy for the fire department to find you). They really aren't that hard to understand, there's no excuse for a dispatcher not being able to use one to find an address in an area he or she knows at all.

  6. Stress=Priority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, panic means better service and calm rationality means you'll be ignored?

    1. Re:Stress=Priority by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

      So, panic means better service and calm rationality means you'll be ignored?

      Lol, seriously...

      Hmmm, I got an idea, let's bump all the freaked out
      people that are screaming and unintelligible to the top
      of the queue to take up valuable time that the rational
      easy to understand callers could have quickly given
      their info.

      Perfect! Maybe it's time to move to soviet russia
      where 911 calls you!

      -AI

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  7. Neat Idea by Anrego · · Score: 2

    However, the stress in the callers voice may not indicate the severity of the emergency.

    Some people can be calm and collective in very high stress situations, whereas some people freak out when someone has a dizzy spell. Additionally an outside observer may be less stressed, for example someone calling in a 5 car pile up or reporting that someone in their store just collapsed. And then there are children making calls... which probably introduced a whole new level of random.

    The article mentions an error rate, but doesn’t really seem to elaborate as to whether that error rate is stress to emergency, or the algorithm’s ability to identify stress. Before deploying something like this, I hope they do some kind of study to determine if stressed voices correlate to actual emergency severity in the majority of cases (which they may have already done, the article isn’t clear).

    1. Re:Neat Idea by realisticradical · · Score: 1
      Clearly 911 should just do triage lists like my bank and phone company do.

      I can see it now:

      Please Press 1 if your cat is stuck in a tree.

      Please Press 2 if you want to report a burglary or robbery that has already happened.

      Please Press 3 if you want to report a burglary or robbery that is in progress.

      Please Press 4 if you were in or would like to report a car accident.

      Please Press 5 if you would like to report a fire.

      Please Press 6 if you would like assistance for a heart attack or stroke.

      For all other emergencies please stay on the line and a 911 operator will be with you shortly.

      ...

      Due to the extremely high volume of call requests all of our operators are assisting other emergency callers at this time. Please stay on the line and your call will be handled in the order it was received.

    2. Re:Neat Idea by Anrego · · Score: 2

      We've all heard it, but it's probably on my top 5 list of simpsons quotes:

      Automated answering system: you have selected "regicide." If you know the name of the king or queen being murdered, press one.

    3. Re:Neat Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people can be calm and collective in very high stress situations,

      The figure-of-speech you were looking for is "Cool, Calm and Collected".

      Collected, as in they have their "s**t" together (officially: not perturbed or distracted), not collective, which would be doing things in a group. ;-)

  8. I wonder... by PJ6 · · Score: 2

    how it will deal with a Scottish accent .

  9. Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously? What good is this. All this will do is measure how urgently the person *thinks* they need help.

    Example 1: Person A loves their cat, it's stuck up a tree. The system registers very high stress in their voice, because this person cares a lot about their cat and is also the kind of person who gets into a hysterical panic over the slightest thing.

    Example 2: Person B has witnessed a road traffic accident. They weren't personally involved and don't know any of the people involved, so they aren't especially stressed about it. They phone the emergency services and relay the important information in a calm and reasonable manner.

    Which one gets the priority?

    1. Re:Pointless by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

      Seriously? What good is this. All this will do is measure how urgently the person *thinks* they need help.

      Example 1: Person A loves their cat, it's stuck up a tree. The system registers very high stress in their voice

      Example 2: Person B has witnessed a road traffic accident. They weren't personally involved and don't know any of the people involved, so they aren't especially stressed about it.

      Which one gets the priority?

      The cat man... damn, didn't you RTFA!

      -AI

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    2. Re:Pointless by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      The road traffic accident. As it would before.

      This isn't going to replace anything. It's simply going to provide additional information.

    3. Re:Pointless by anegg · · Score: 1

      Sure, because that guy from a previous post who "accidentally" ran over a cat is probably nearby.

  10. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if I say in a completely calm and steady voice "my wife is bleeding out of her eyes and has turned blue", this sytem will not treat the call as urgent?

    Huh.

    1. Re:So... by jesseck · · Score: 1

      That's your alibi, then- "Your Honor, I didn't murder my wife. She slipped and fell, and I called 9-1-1. It's not my fault that she bled out because the system said it was not an emergency".

    2. Re:So... by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

      ...if I say in a completely calm and steady voice "my wife is bleeding out of her eyes and has turned blue", this sytem will not treat the call as urgent?

      Huh.

      Lol... the bleeding out of the eyes would probably cause a slight
      increase in stress in my voice... esp considering that's the premise
      of a lot of "bad" virus movies. Or did I mean "bad virus" movies?

      -AI

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  11. It's Nuts by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    Caller stress doesn't correlate well with how important the call is. It correlates with how closely involved the caller is in the incident.

    Besides a lot of people will panic like crazy at, say, a small car accident where no-one was hurt.

    1. Re:It's Nuts by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If someone's house in on fire, they're going to sound a lot more stressed than my calling it in as I'm driving through the neighborhood . Same emergency though.

  12. As Evolution is to religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this would only be a theory and nothing more.

  13. Fantastic by dakkon1024 · · Score: 1

    So a sociopath trying to save a life is going to the bottom of the list. Yea, this is an awful idea.

    1. Re:Fantastic by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      So a sociopath trying to save a life is going to the bottom of the list. Yea, this is an awful idea.

      Do sociopaths do that very often?

      I mean, if you lack "a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience", are you really calling 911 to save lives?

      I agree this sounds like a potentially bad idea ... just not sure if your example is one of the likely corner cases.

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  14. Horrible Idea! by Lythrdskynrd · · Score: 2

    This may seem counter intuitive, but it's a horrible idea. This will provide artificial priority for the histrionic personality type.

    1. Re:Horrible Idea! by dakkon1024 · · Score: 1

      lol

  15. 911, or 999, or whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "112" in most if not all of Europe. Unless you plan to never leave your home town it would be useful to make sure you know the emergency numbers where you're going.

    Though still a bit sloppy for self-conciously intarwebz-savvy people to forget the other emergency number with coverage larger than 999. Do slashdot readers, hopelessly provincial merkins that they all are (I know this to be true as every single poster is obviously an accurate representation of the entire readership), hope they can ignore the global interconnectedness that the internet unleashed, or do they prefer to arrogantly not spend it a single thought at all?

    Sure, that's a troll. But the point it raises isn't entirely invalid, now is it?

    1. Re:911, or 999, or whatever by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      Here I am impressed that a site whose vast majority of readers are in the US or UK, most of whom have rarely or never even had the occasion to dial emergency services in their own country, let alone abroad, actually gives a nod of recognition that 911 and 999 aren't the only emergency numbers out there, and we still have someone whining that the specific number isn't mentioned. Someone who "arrogantly didn't spend a single thought on it" wouldn't have mentioned other numbers in the first place. If you go that far out of your way to get offended, maybe slashdot isn't the best site for you.

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    2. Re:911, or 999, or whatever by Eudial · · Score: 1

      I thought the UK changed to 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3.

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  16. Second thought by BitterKraut · · Score: 1

    Some contributors have already pointed out that a high stress level on the caller's side need not necessarily indicate an increased urgency of the situation. But there are scenarios where automated stress level detection may be helpful: Think of some catastrophic event with very many callers. If there's not enough staff at hand to serve all the callers, it may be helpful to select those first who are able to report calmly.

  17. Seems a ridiculous approach... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    ...since while my wife is fairly hysterical and stressed when an emergency occurs, I actually tend to get calmer (since freaking out doesn't help anyone.) Being level headed means my call would get automatically triaged as less important?

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    1. Re:Seems a ridiculous approach... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. I can stay pretty calm in a situation like that.

    2. Re:Seems a ridiculous approach... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for me it comes from my Dad promising he would only teach me to scuba dive when I was a kid if I refused to panic. I really wanted to learn to scuba dive...

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  18. Stress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ex gf was phobic, when she would see a mouse or rat she would freak out and behave irrationally. Anyone seeing her have an episode might think she's in genuine danger.

    Does this mean she'll be first in the queue before someone that really needs emergency services?

    Heck, some people stress out about World Of Wankers.

  19. wrong approach by eli867 · · Score: 1

    Seems like you'd be much better off promoting non-emergency hotlines like the 311 in many US cities.

  20. Great for hysterics by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    I have seen people get hysterical over a fender bender screaming "Oh my baby!" and I have seen people laughing while trying to control a broken airplane. Just hire dispatchers with a bit of common sense.
    This is like the TSA always trying to find a machine to do the job that a human could do way better if they were allowed to do it with common sense.

  21. Great idea...? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

    So people that remain calm and do not panick during an emergency will get lower priority and have to wait, whereas people that totally freak out and start to cry because the cat doesn't come down from the tree will get help immediately.

    Should emergency dispatch centers be staffed by enough people that are adequately paid instead?

  22. So forget all about not panicking in emergencies. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Just dial 911 and scream HELP!!!!1!. Be sure and put lots of stress in your voice. Calmly report the location and nature of the emergency? No. Just shriek.

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  23. Relative Stress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely this system is flawed due to the fact that stress is relative in comparison to the person that is ringing up?
    A 70 year old woman would find two men leaning against her wall much more stressing than a 21 year old.

  24. A better idea by Combatso · · Score: 1

    Why don't they better train the agents taking the calls.. this reads to me like a scene in Idiocracy where the guy goes to the hospital and the triage nurse has a big panel with icons representing different ailments.. Maybe if the agent knew that 'gun-shots+big pools of blood' > 'I didnt get my chicken nuggets' they wouldnt have this problem.

  25. Inverse correlation would be better by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    First responders and others trained in giving assistance in emergency (medical) situations are often trained not to treat first the people who are crying out loudest for help - but to consider the quiet, comatose ones as being more seriously in aid of help. Maybe this system would be better used to prioritise the cool, calm, considered callers rather than the hyperactive, hysterical ones.

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  26. Evolution in action by island_earth · · Score: 1

    If people who can't sound calm are more likely to get emergency help. then over the generations they'll be more likely to survive emergencies to go on and reproduce, while the relaxed-sounding people will bleed to death in the streets. In a few generations, the overall stress level of the human race will be artificially boosted until we all sound like Gilbert Gottfried.

  27. Calm Murder by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    What if I shot my wife and calmly called 911...would they put me at the back of the queue, thus putting her life at risk?

    I know, I know.. not likely; I'd be ecstatic and they'd misinterpret that for stress.

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  28. The Freaked-Out Future of Humanity by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Natural selection will provide some interesting long-term consequences.

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  29. How about an even better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collect taxes so municipalities can actually afford to staff their 911 call centers. What's that you say? Rich people have their own personal doctor in-house and shouldn't have to pay just so those sniveling poor people can call the cops? How sad.

  30. "the" 311? by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Never heard of 311, and why would it be "the" 311 -- the 311 _what_? Is that Losangeles-speak like "the" Orange County or "the" Interstate Highway 5? (Apparently that is short for "the Interstate Highway 5 limited access highway" -- well they say "freeway" which just means limited access highway -- talk about redundancy)... stamp out useless "the"s! ... anyhow 311 sounds like it's more for finding out when trash pickups are than for reporting not-quite-emergency situations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-1-1

    1. Re:"the" 311? by eli867 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry my grammar offended you. I thought it would be obvious from context that 311 was a phone hotline and not an interstate highway. I can tell you from experience that calling 311 in both DC and NYC and asking to speak to the police department works just fine.

  31. New Number by NinjaPablo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Haven't you heard? Emergency services has a new number. It's 0118-999-881-999-119-7253.

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    1. Re:New Number by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Ahhh! Yo beat me to it!!

      0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

      The three is best with a slight pause :)

    2. Re:New Number by plasmidmap · · Score: 1

      I wonder if this is being voted funny because of the long number, or because people actually get the reference?

    3. Re:New Number by omnichad · · Score: 2

      I think plenty of people get the reference and are smarter than you give them credit for.

  32. we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    if someone calls 911 because they want help figuring out their taxes or wants to complain about the neighbors dog pooping on their lawn, they need to be fined, with jail time for those who can't seem to get the message. and jail time for those who purposefully prank 911. an exemption for toddlers who call 911, and elderly who might be confused, is in order, of course

    but otherwise nonemergency concerns are wasting operator's time and putting people with genuine time-critical needs in mortal danger

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    1. Re:we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Punish blatant non-emergency sure.

      However I don't want reasonable non-emergencies punished. Things like an apparent stroke, heart attack, medication/allergic reaction can come on a bit odd, and I wouldn't want people to be scared to call for help.

      As far as stress, some people seem to hold off the stress reaction until the immediate crisis is over, I'd hate to see that behaviour result in the call being deprioritized.

      But as far as people calling for beer, or weather reports, or their drug dealer ripped them off, lock those guys up.

    2. Re:we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by dingen · · Score: 1
      Isn't that the case already then? Here in the Netherlands, it's a criminal offense to call the emergency line without proper cause. This is what the government says about it:

      Misbruik 112 is strafbaar

      Het bellen van 112 als het niet om een noodgeval gaat, is strafbaar. Er kunnen dan slachtoffers vallen omdat personen met een echte noodmelding geen verbinding kunnen krijgen met de alarmcentrale. De politie doet er in het geval van een nepbeller alles aan om zijn identiteit op te sporen en hem aansprakelijk te stellen voor de gemaakte kosten. Daarnaast kan hij een boete of zelfs een gevangenisstraf krijgen. Ook wanneer er anoniem wordt gebeld, is het nummer te zien. Belt iemand met een mobiele telefoon, dan is het nummer ook te achterhalen. Dit kan zelfs als er geen simkaart in de mobiele telefoon zit.

      Roughly translated, this says abuse of the emergency number is an offense and the police will do anything in its power to track the abuser. When caught, the abuser is liable for the expenses made by his fake emergency call. On top of that, fines and imprisonment are possibilities. Calling the emergency line is never anonymous, even when caller ID is disabled or no SIM is installed.

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    3. Re:we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      here's a fake 911 call story that will blow your mind: cops faking a 911 call, so they would be dispatched near where they knew a drunken woman was they wanted to rape:

      http://gothamist.com/2009/05/03/cops_made_fake_911_call_to_return_t.php

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    4. Re:we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      Although the trend here seems to be encouraging people to call 911 for any immediate police or fire issue, not just emergencies, rather than calling the police or fire department directly. Makes sense I guess, as I imagine the "only call 911 in absolute emergency" probably leads to some not calling 911 when they really should, and it's probably cheaper to consolodate handling to one place, rather than have the police and fire departments have their own call handling.

    5. Re:we need to punish non-emergency 911 calls hard by coolmadsi · · Score: 1

      Although the trend here seems to be encouraging people to call 911 for any immediate police or fire issue, not just emergencies, rather than calling the police or fire department directly.

      I normally wouldn't know the local police/fire dept. number, so would only be able to call the emergency number. The only reason I have the local police number saved on my phone is because I emailed them about a non-emergency and thought it would be a good idea to store the non-emergency number.

  33. not really new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insurance companies have been using this for years to detect fraudulent calls.

  34. This system will kill people by gweihir · · Score: 1

    There is no replacement for an experiences operator that makes an informed decision about the level of urgency. This system may even make matters worse. It is just another exceedingly stupid attempt to replace human intelligence and experience with something cheaper but vastly inferior.

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    1. Re:This system will kill people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agreed. I can't find the link, but I read a story about an operator who refused to send an ambulance to someone dying of a heart attack because the caller didn't sound stressed enough. The caller was a nurse keeping her cool, and the patient subsequently died.

  35. Very Dutch indeed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Customer,

    thanks for calling the emergency service. As you certainly know, the Dutch emergency service is overloaded with calls.

    Therefore, you've been put onto a waiting list. A lottery will be used to determine next person being served. Don't worry, you don't need to do anything, we already entered your name into the lottery system. You just have to wait until served.

    Thanks for your patience, we all work together for a better system!

  36. Thank goodness for this system. by Aldenissin · · Score: 1

    I mean, stress can be enhanced by pain. So, I am good if I say, stub my toe. But what if I am in schock? I guess I won't get the help I need.

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  37. "rationing" healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm getting tired of this trope, especially as it's used as keyword to get immediate panic reflex.

    The fact is, in any given society, resources for healthcare will be limited, and generally smaller than what is perceived as necessary by the public.
    This will automatically cause a need for prioritizing, as some medical threats are more immediate than others, and should be treated first.
    These researchers have been looking into a way for making that more effective. However, it has not been implemented! So 'the Dutch' aren't doing anything here.
    Given that waiting lists have been exceedingly long in NL for quite some time now, not due to lack of funding per se, but lack of trained personnel, it's also more than a little irrelevant.

    Lastly, I'm just going to assume you live in the U.S.A here, since you're using the rationing healthcare rhetoric. May I remind you that this is done on a large scale in your country already? Only in your case, it isn't rationed based on need, as any decent person would want, but based on how much money you have. Yes you can, in a few select places in the U.S.A, get the best possible healthcare, but only if you have the enormous amounts of money that's asked for it. Normal people have to do with less healthcare than any given Dutch person gets, for much more. Rationing is not so much our problem, as yours.

    1. Re:"rationing" healthcare by ilikejam · · Score: 1

      Aaaand what about all the people saved by not wasting money doing cancer screens on 20 year olds?

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    2. Re:"rationing" healthcare by cpu6502 · · Score: 0

      >>>Aaaand what about all the people saved by not wasting money doing cancer screens on 20 year olds?

      Your question demonstrates your cold-heartedness. You don't give a damn that a girl died at age 25, because her government refused to give her the PAP screen she requested (three separate times).

      You probably have a similar opinion about those denied care because they were considered "too old to be productive," so they were left to die.

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    3. Re:"rationing" healthcare by rbcd · · Score: 1

      Nobody in the UK gets denied healthcare if they want to pay for it. You can always go private, at which point it's the same as in the US. And as far as I understand it, healthcare prices in the US are so incredibly inflated that even though you might be paying for public healthcare that you then don't use on that particular occasion, you'll still have spent less money in total paying taxes and going private in the UK than you would do just getting private service in the US.

    4. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Jessified · · Score: 2

      No he's just demonstrating that in less that 2 sentences he can flip your logic around. We could write out a sad story about a person who died because she couldn't get a lifesaving treatment in time because the monthly budget was allocated to unnecessary screening.

      For example, organ transplants have to go to someone. For every one person they do save, X number of people who could have used it die. It's a sad situation all around. So they essentially developed a system for determining which body will allow the organ to live the longest (at least in Canada). In the US, your wealth probably plays in a lot more (i.e. can you afford the surgery?)

      I don't understand. You argument uses an example of a person who died because she didn't get adequate care, and then you use that argument to defend a position where a great number of people get inadequate care. ???? I call Poe's Law.

    5. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Jessified · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oops I replied to the wrong comment, here you go:

      No he's just demonstrating that in less that 2 sentences he can flip your logic around. We could write out a sad story about a person who died because she couldn't get a lifesaving treatment in time because the monthly budget was allocated to unnecessary screening.

      For example, organ transplants have to go to someone. For every one person they do save, X number of people who could have used it die. It's a sad situation all around. So they essentially developed a system for determining which body will allow the organ to live the longest (at least in Canada). In the US, your wealth probably plays in a lot more (i.e. can you afford the surgery?)

      I don't understand. You argument uses an example of a person who died because she didn't get adequate care, and then you use that argument to defend a position where a great number of people get inadequate care. ???? I call Poe's Law.

    6. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Jessified · · Score: 1

      Sorry I meant to reply to your child.

    7. Re:"rationing" healthcare by wisty · · Score: 1

      She could have gone private. The UK privates system is likely to be cheaper than the US private system, as it has to compete with public health.

      Would she have gotten that pap smear in the US? It depends. Maybe she didn't have insurance. Maybe her insurance company though 23 was too young for the test. Well, she could have gone private ...

      Public sector bureaucrats aren't the only ones who don't give a damn.

    8. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I hope the GP has a ration of BURN cream saved up for the awesome BUUUUUUUUUURNNNNN you just gave him.</Kelso>

    9. Re:"rationing" healthcare by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      No he's just demonstrating that in less that 2 sentences he can flip your logic around. We could write out a sad story about a person who died because she couldn't get a lifesaving treatment in time because the monthly budget was allocated to unnecessary screening.

      You know, the sad part of the story is that if the girl had the option to pay for the PAP herself, all of the above could have been saved. In the US, a pap smear, depending on where you get it, costs between $11 and $300 on average and that's including the extra $75-$100 lab work needed for the non-standard testing done when something looks abnormal.

      Now in the US, there are organizations with funds to help lower income people and government grants cover some places too. But the bottom line is, at least in the US, the girl could have gotten the test she was so worried about in the first place. Under most government care options, this would either not be possible, or they would claim that you sought outside treatment and don't qualify for government care for the illness anymore.

      I'm sure you can and will find pros and cons of both consumer pays and government pays(likely everything in between too), but ironically, they will all be used specifically to denounce the other and never to create the best of both worlds. Until the "all or nothing", "my way or the highway", "one solution solves everything", "We need to take your freedoms away to ensure your freedoms" approaches take a hard look at the reality of the situation, all that is happening is time being wasted.

    10. Re:"rationing" healthcare by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yes, she could have gone private. But then she would be flipping the entire bill for the cancer treatment as the UK doesn't allow you to be privately treated for something then go back onto the public dole for that illness except for emergency cases where government health care options are not available..

    11. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes you can". Sorry buddy, it's "yes *we* can"

    12. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been saying this here in America but no one wants to listen. They would rather listen to the insurance lobbyists.

      At this rate I think I will have to travel to a Central or South American country to retire in the distance future because I will no longer be able to afford health care in my country.

    13. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as we are addressing rhetoric and bromides, consider the phrase 'rationed based on need'.

      There are no human needs since all necessity depends on a result(conveniently excluded, I've noticed) which themselves are desires. Consider the following:

      Do you need healthcare? Why; to live? Do you need to live? If you just want to live(and who doesn't) then there is no necessity at all and you don't really need healthcare; you want it. But, if so, then you also need every resource on the planet to ensure your life. You need millions of dollars for experimental medicine to keep you alive for a few more months as you near death from old age. You need trillions of dollars to fund bleeding edge science just for your replacement body, and many trillions more to create the industries necessary to support the science to reverse the aging process or replace your brain with a more durable one. If life is a necessity, then so too are all these things and more. And that doesn't even address the contradiction of absolute requirements that are in opposition(like multiple people who need to live).

      So since any decent person is able to reason, they would not want health care rationed based on need, since that is an impossibility.

    14. Re:"rationing" healthcare by operagost · · Score: 1

      I don't see any burn there; just the same rehashed arguments.

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    15. Re:"rationing" healthcare by operagost · · Score: 1

      The UK privates system is likely to be cheaper than the US private system

      Not likely, as you already "paid" for your (useless) health care through taxes, yet now you have to pay for the treatment you were denied. The total cost must be factored in. What we learn is that socialized medicine puts more money in bureaucrats pockets.

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    16. Re:"rationing" healthcare by DanTheStone · · Score: 1

      In the US, your wealth probably plays in a lot more (i.e. can you afford the surgery?)

      It's actually, "Can you afford the private jet to make yourself a possible candidate in a wider area given the short life of donor organs?" Same idea, though.

    17. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      You know, the sad part of the story is that if the girl had the option to pay for the PAP herself,

      She did have the option. Private medical care is available in the UK at reasonable cost. Public healthcare is rationed, as it should be, so that it has the maximum possible benefit for society as a whole - that means some edge cases are not covered well but the vast majority of cases are covered well, and are free at the point of treatment at considerably less cost per capita than medicare costs alone in the states.

      The UK currently has the solution you are suggesting in your last paragraph - like most western countries apart from the US it has a public healthcare option mixed with private healthcare available if desired.

    18. Re:"rationing" healthcare by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      Yes, she could have gone private. But then she would be flipping the entire bill for the cancer treatment as the UK doesn't allow you to be privately treated for something then go back onto the public dole for that illness except for emergency cases where government health care options are not available

      Not sure where you got this idea, do you have an example of this happening?

      PS The word dole is used for unemployment benefits in the UK, not healthcare.

  38. From a dispatcher: this is dumb by rbanzai · · Score: 2

    I don't understand this article at all because emergency dispatching is not prioritized based on the caller's choice of priority. I could have ten calls at once all insisting they are the top priority and that information would be irrelevant. The nature of the emergency is what's important, not how badly the caller wants assistance.

    I dispatched during the L.A. riots and believe me every caller wanted someone to help them RIGHT NOW and I don't blame them. But calls for people being beaten got priority over property crime calls. I question the thought process behind this article that dispatchers do not or cannot already properly prioritize calls.

  39. Hyphens? by trevc · · Score: 1

    Why are there hyphens in the number? Where is that key on my phone?

    1. Re:Hyphens? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Why are there hyphens in the number? Where is that key on my phone?

      It's SYM+F on mine.

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  40. I usually stay calm. Do i put lifes at risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those few times when i had to call 112 (911 in EU) i remained as calm as usual .. now it sounds as if this is a disadvantage?!
    The mere possibility of the thought to speculate about it hadn't even crossed my mind.

  41. Voice analyzers are commonplace in call centers. by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

    There have been systems in place and commercially available that measure the stress level of a callers voice for some time. They are typically used to alert a supervisor if a caller (or agent) is becoming irate, giving them a chance to coach the agent or step in and address the problem.

    If you have a problem with this, say "no" when they advise you that the call is recorded for quality purposes. The law varies from state to state but in many cases they cannot record without your consent.

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  42. Crank calls by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

    I wonder how well this system will cope with detecting crank calls. The emergency services in the UK get them all the time. Will this system help by calling the cops to the location where the crank call was made from?

  43. People react differently by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

    Given there was a incident recently in the UK where a woman died because the call she made to 999 wasn't panicked, so they flagged her as low priority...

    I mean seriously, I'm a very nervous person and I don't like talking to people on the phone. Just speaking to 999 would make me sound panicked.

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  44. Re:Voice analyzers are commonplace in call centers by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

    With a lot of the call centres I've experienced that would mean never talking to anyone, because that message is usually an automated one. Your only option would be to hang up.

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  45. Great idea. by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Let's not dwell on the fact that it should be, quite literally, impossible to overwhelm emergency services (hint: If you fill up capacity, YOU! NEED! MORE!).

    Let's just rest assured that the most hysteric people will go through while the people who manage to remain calm will wait forever.

    But that does not matter as this is a non-fix to the symptoms, not a fix to the actual root cause.

  46. That's the sound... by slave_to_coffee · · Score: 1

    of the emergency call center operators job getting worse. Now *everyone* has an incentive to freak out even if they're not missing a limb or watching a loved-one choking on a hot dog.

  47. 112 pretty close (certainly closest) to worldwide by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Apart from the status of "national emergency number" in quite a few places, 112 works anywhere in the world when using a GSM-family handset (= vast majority of mobile phones; or simply "...of phones" for some time now)

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  48. universal emergency number on GSM networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is 112.

  49. This is dumb. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    One person is liable to be more stressed about their cat being stuck in a tree than another who is reporting an injury accident.

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  50. Be Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I got into a car accident, or other true emergency situations, I called 911 (upon maximal necessity) but I always spoke calm and collected. I list the problem, and they ask you the questions that they need answers to.

    Instead of analyzing my voice (I generally don't land well in these "assumptions", and statistically speaking since a kid I was an outlier), I would prefer to be asked questions such as: "Are you bleeding?" "Is anyone around you bleeding?" "Does anyone look in need of emergency medical assistance?" "Is anyone in immediate danger?" etc., carefully constructed questions (unlike the ones I listed) would benefit the most in determining whether I should go up on the emergency queue, or go down. Not some dumbass voice recording software.

  51. This could be a big mistake by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    The problem is that we all react differently to stress and trauma. I'm an old scout, and we were taught to stay calm in emergency situations. When you practice such things enough, they become part of you. I've had to make a number of 9-1-1 calls over the years, but I've always stayed calm, just as I was taught (so you can make sure you communicate clearly, and convey all the appropriate information).

    Not everyone responds the same way, however. Get a parent who can't stand the sight of blood and the system might prioritize the hysterical caller even though the wound might be minor. A tiny head wound can present a lot of blood in a short period of time. Or, get someone with no first aid or medical training, and they might call 9-1-1, panicked, if they see someone have a seizure. I was with someone who had grand mauls seizures regularly, and I knew what to do. No ambulance was needed, and I could deal with everything. When one occurred in a public place, however, a number of panicked people called 9-1-1 and an ambulance was dispatched. She didn't need to go to the hospital--she just needed to rest--but the complex owner (likely for liability reasons) insisted that she be transported. [Which doubly sucked, because she ended up stuck with the ambulance service and ER bills.]

    In short, such a system could prioritize someone screaming about a big sliver while someone like me, who can remain calm, does not get priority, even though I might be calling in a more serious problem.

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  52. Risky for Medical Stuff by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    If I spot an accident or something, and I phone, and I'm surrounded by people who aren't very happy at having been very injured, I will probably speak very calmly so as not to panic everyone around me anymore than they already are.

    Secondly, when talking about something important, I'd speak calm and clearly so they can understand the location and stuff, not get delayed because they misheardly.

    Thirdly, first aid lessons taught me that if there are multiple people injured, often the ones who are hurt the worst will be quieter. If someone took a heavy blow to his head and is feeling sluggish, he'll sound dased, not panicked. Basically, if you have the energy and oxygen to sound panicked, you're probably less urgent than the person who's bleeding out.

  53. Paper Abstract by FrootLoops · · Score: 1
    Paper abstract:

    The abundance of calls to emergency lines during crises is dicult to handle by the limited number of operators. Detecting if the caller is experiencing some extreme emotions can be a solution for distinguishing the more urgent calls. Apart from these and there are several other applications that can benet from awareness of the emotional state of the speaker. This paper describes the design of a system for selecting the calls that appear to be urgent and based on emotion detection. The system is trained using a database of spontaneous emotional speech from a call-centre. Four machine learning techniques are applied and based on either prosodic or spectral features and resulting in individual detectors. As a last stage and we investigate the eect of fusing these detectors into a single detection system. We observe an improvement in the Equal Error Rate (eer) from 19.0 % on average for 4 individual detectors to 4.2 % when fused using linear logistic regression. All experiments are performed in a speaker independent cross-validation framework.

    Taken from here. The International Journal of Intelligent Defence Support Systems web site doesn't appear to be updated with this year's 2nd volume yet. [The English is a bit clunky, but the researchers appear to be Dutch so I forgive them that, at least.]

    1. Re:Paper Abstract by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      It looks like the copy&paste didn't quite work. The words "difficult", "benefit", and "effect" were spelled correctly, but used a single double-f/fi character instead of two characters. The other grammatical issues (sentence fragments and so on) were present on the page I linked.

  54. Hey! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    I'm in shock, you insensitive clod!

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  55. Interesting by zoomshorts · · Score: 0

    I, for one, never panic in these situations, I realize that calm accurate reporting is best.
    I give my name, address and phone number, then briefly describe what I am calling for:

    Hello, I am Frodo Baggins and I live at 123 Hobbit Hole, My number is 555-1212 and
    there is a creepy little man trying to steal my ring. He is short, thin and has a greenish cast to his grey skin.
    He is outside my home as we speak, and since I live in Texasshire, I may shoot him. Please hurry,
    he is threatening me. Yes I will hold ...

    All Phony Hobbit stuff aside, this is what I do when requesting emergency services, I may add
    we need police or ambulance or fire response, based on the situation.

    Giving the dispatcher the correct info allows for triage. Screaming about some idiot at a drive-in window
    messing up my taco order is a waste of time.

  56. Overreacting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where in the story does it say that it would not give you a person / teller when you called? It's more likely this will pop up as a value on the screen they are at, or function internally for forwarding to different people - some people may be better at managing extremely stressed individuals and more likely to get the needed information out of them, while a calm person only needs an operator that is going to pay attention to them.

  57. Machine Learning by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

    I don't have access to the paper (aside from the abstract I copied in another comment) and the article is lean on details, but perhaps machine learning took care of most of the issues people have been bringing up. Maybe "calm" callers with real emergencies show signs aside from overt stress reactions that the algorithms picked up on. For instance, I imagine I would speak particularly slowly and clearly if I were actively trying to be calm, and would speak faster otherwise. It's not clear what the 4.2% error rate refers to--incorrectly recognized urgency of 9-1-1 (or equivalent) calls? Incorrect detections of "strong emotion" in general? Without more info, I tend to give researchers the benefit of the doubt.

    1. Re:Machine Learning by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The article does describe what they measure to determine stress. "The algorithm measures parameters such as the speed at which the caller is speaking, rises and falls in the pitch and tone of their voice, and their rate of breathing."
      Leaving that aside, when I am in a situation where I have a course of action that will adress the problem with what I consider a high probability of success I have little or no stress (this often results in my wife freaking out at me because she thinks I am not taking the situation seriously enough). Of course, if the emergency dispatch operator were to communicate to me that the lack of stress in my voice lead them to believe the situation was not urgent when I felt it was, the stress in my voice would ratchet up rapidly (as happens when people around me do not respond appropriately to an emergency situation..either because I am trying to get them to follow my directions to keep the situation controlled or because I am trying to get them to calm down/get out of the way of those who are dealing with the situation).

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    2. Re:Machine Learning by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      It mentions those parameters, but the article doesn't say specifically how they were used. (It only vaguely implies they were used to do something like distinguish "highly stressed" from "not stressed" callers.) Perhaps their machine learning algorithms used those same parameters to deal with the "calm caller" case, as in my slow, careful speech example. Whether or not this is the case would require more information than TFA or TFAbstract gives.

      I can easily imagine a mother calling about her kid's cat in a tree, and an EMT calling about a serious accident. My own neural net has no trouble distinguishing the seriousness of the two cases from sound alone so long as the mother isn't hysterical (which seems unlikely in general). The EMT would be more casual and less businesslike in a less serious situation, which I can also distinguish from sound alone.

    3. Re:Machine Learning by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 0

      The problem with yor example is that I can easily distinguish between the seriousness of the two cases you listed simply by looking at the printed words with no need to try and determine which of the two sounds more stressed. If that is the type of distinction this system is designed to interpret, it is a waste of time.
      Let's use another example, a mother calling in about a car accident in which her child is involved and an EMT calling in about the same accident. If you did not know any facts about either one of these callers, which do you think your neural net would process as calling about the more urgent situation? Especially if the child was injured, but not in a life threatening way?

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    4. Re:Machine Learning by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the usefulness of this system is in ordering the urgency of calls before a human gets to consider them, for when all operators are busy. Since natural language processing is hard, they instead analyzed the mechanics of the sound itself. Certainly a human could distinguish between the cases I listed by text alone, but the question is whether or not this system could distinguish between them if all human operators are busy, forwarding the more urgent case to humans first. I'm sure during a major disaster a good implementation of this system would be useful. Perhaps there are other common use cases--I'm certainly not in emergency dispatching.

      If the mother is hysterical in your situation, I'm unsure how my brain would order the two callers. I would have to train it, I suppose, and see if I could pick up on common properties of calm-but-urgent calls and not-calm-but-urgent calls.

  58. Don't panic? by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    So basically when they say "don't panic," that'll turn out to be the wrong advice?

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  59. Dumb by Hotweed+Music · · Score: 1

    I love when applying basic logic to researched and developed systems reveals them to be retarded.

  60. NOT a good idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I can already see ambulances speed across town to overprotective parents who went bananas 'cause little precious sneezed twice in a row.

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  61. Wrong Way by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    Since when do we wish to reward those who lack emotional control above those who remain calm? The ranting screaming caller should be the one served last.
                      Then there are the other situations in which a veteran, quite used to heavy combat, remains dead calm while trying to summon help. Or an emotionally detached party who is simply not at all upset by mayhem and loss of life but fills the role of trying to help by making the emergency call. The funny thing is that the ones who are not upset are the ones likely to describe well the exact location, number of injuries and be able to warn approaching rescue workers of hazards at the scene such as a downed power line on the north side of the wreck or that pesky sniper who caused the wreck in the first place.

  62. Bad premise by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    I have doubts about this. What about people who (genuinely) freak out over minor things? I have known some such, and they weren't acting, they were legitimately (if inappropriately) extremely stressed about sometimes the littlest issues.

    I could be wrong, but I predict failure in the real world.

  63. Applying The New Technology by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

    AT&T testing this new technology:
    CSR: (painfully upbeat) Thank you for calling AT&T! How may I improve your life today?
    Caller: (almost panicked) Argh! I'm a T-Mobile customer and I just found out that AT&T bought T-Mobile! Aaagh!
    CSR: (calming) Don't worry. During the transition period all T-Mobile customers will be receiving the same high quality customer service and cell coverage that all our AT&T customers receive.
    Caller: (fanatic) Aagh! That's what I was afraid of!!
    [CLICK!]
    CSR: Hey boss, I think this new stress meter just broke.
    Boss: Nope, just working as designed ... if it was made my AT&T
    [WINK]
    CSR: Should I report this?
    Boss: Naw ... that just sounded like Tweak making another prank call.

  64. Wait until the advertisement kicks in... by js_sebastian · · Score: 1
  65. situation not stress by Vapon · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with asking the person what's wrong and determining priority based on situation not how much the person freaks out. I have known people to get stressed out and screaming about scratch, while other people like a faller I knew called on the cb radio calm as can be that he hates to bug people but could someone drive him to the hospital he just had the chainsaw go though half his leg and he can't hit the gas pedal to drive himself.

  66. 3rd party callers too by chfriley · · Score: 2

    It does not take into account 3rd party callers either. For example, I'm driving along and see a horrible accident right in front of me.

    I call in, calmly describe the detached body part in the road, the 5 cars involved, and the blood on the pavement. Then compare it to the guy who lost the blood or the finger or whatever calling in completely hysterical.

    Same situation, one person much calmer than the other. It is a common occurrence. Ditto friend vs spouse or parent or child.

    Definitely cool technology, but assuming the article is accurate, not a good usage.

  67. Never trust the caller by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

    As someone who reads http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=257985 I think I can safely say that the emotional state of the caller has NOTHING to do with the urgency of the situation.

  68. Huh? by Fjodor42 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that penalize those of us to take great efforts to keep calm and explain the details of the emergency instead of screaming "HELP! HELP!!! HELP!!!!!" into the microphone?

    Very much the same argument as The Archon V2.0 just gave above, but posted anyway, to signify that I concur and feel sorry for people that I might try to call an ambulance for in the future...

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  69. Bad Metric? by dcollins · · Score: 1

    They're trying to use "voice stress" as a proxy for how bad the situation is (for priority queuing purposes), and I would argue that's a fundamental mistake. What if someone is simply cool under pressure (due to training or natural inclination)? Then they'll be doomed by this system. What you need is a human making a decision about how bad the scenario actually is; admittedly that's tough, but just surrendering to a computer doing a totally different job is really tragic. Bad metrics like this can result in a system that kills people.

    This occurs to me because I've had numerous doctors/dentists say I have an unusually high pain threshold, and I've had some problems with bad diagnoses due to me not responding to pain signals like they expect.

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  70. Never let a doctor make the call, then? by GFLPraxis · · Score: 1

    Stupid. I've been in this situation; one of the people with me was a doctor, and another person with me was having some kind of seizure or attack. The doctor made the 9/11 phone call and stated all the details very calmly and distinctly while everyone else was trying not to flip out. Under this kind of system, he'd have received a low priority.

  71. But really? by mistralol · · Score: 1

    So there is a bad car crash and some military vetern who has seen it all, been in it all and keeps his cool under pressure. Cannot raise help for the other may by 8-10 people who really really need help?

  72. What they really need by dlsso · · Score: 2

    Is it just me or does it seem like keeping a lot of people on hold when they call 9-1-1 is a bad idea? Seems to me the better approach would be 1. Stiffer penalties for non-emergency callers 2. More people answering calls You could even have lesser trained staff to handle the less serious calls in order to keep lines open to the fully trained staff and defray cost.

  73. Overload is due to pranksters by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    ISTR that 90% of emergency calls are not emergencies but pranks and non-emergency police/firebrigade/ambulance business. That's what this is designed to cut down on.

  74. Yet by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    ...but, there's a reason why polygraphs aren't admissible in many places in court yet

    The theocrats and 'law and order' crowd haven't got to that agenda bullet point yet .

  75. Stressed VS Freaking out by markass530 · · Score: 1

    I've done a WestPac on a LA Class submarine, and did 13 months in Iraq. In both of those things there were times were I was obviously stressed. If this thing can tell the *stress* in someones voice, I guess It would pick up on that when I'm talking during emergency situations. Now if this thing just looks for hysterical sounding voices that's another thing entirely.

  76. The Future of Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As many have pointed out, voice-stress levels are not going to be a reliable indicator of the severity of a an emergency call. Some callers will over-react to minor or non-emergency situations, and some callers will stay calm (or seem calm, due to shock) even in the most dire emergencies.

    I see this as being more useful for tech support or customer service. As callers come into the queue, they will interact with the voice response system, or they may talk back to the response system or talk to someone else in the room with them. Voice-stress analysis can identify the callers with the highest stress levels, and route those calls to the representatives that the supervisors dislike.

  77. May not be effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked as a System Analyst in a 911 call center. There was a lot of analysis about people calling on the phone. They called their initial finding of a victim a 'freak event', and if there are other things (like having to roll the victim over and finding a bloody and broken leg) that are called 're-freak events'. Also some people are much more likely to scream and swear and loose their composure than other people. Some people would nearly go crazy, could barely answer questions, refused to attempt any instructions from calltakers (calltakers give instructions on CPR even for people who have never done it before). If its 9 minutes between call and arrival, 9 minutes can be life and death, but some people would only scream 'HURRY! HURRY! Whats taking so long, where are you already? (Thinking the fire trucks and ambulances could arrive instantly). Everyone swore like sailors, (dispatch staff know more blue words and phrases than you, trust me), but some would insist on hanging up right after the call (they are supposed to stay on the phone till help arrives), everyone insists on first giving address, rather than phone number first (phone number is more important than address, if you hang up, they call you back), and many would scream and cry over childrens cut fingers, while others were calm while applying CPR for the first time on loved ones. Thats why I question 'panic register' software like this. Some panic over spilled milk, others can remain calm and cool when observing a nuclear blast only a few miles away.

  78. triage is rationing by r00t · · Score: 1

    If a service can't keep up with demand, "wait your turn" is equivalent to "go away". The waiting list grows without bound, except that people die on the waiting list.

    Somebody making triage decisions is equivalent to a Death Panel whenever the demand truly (not just this moment) exceeds supply.

    1. Re:triage is rationing by Jessified · · Score: 1

      What's your alternative? Magic wand? Or a money based death panel?

      The current system is a "Death Panel," it's just that money is the determining factor.

    2. Re:triage is rationing by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      And if there wasn't such a can of worms of regulation in the health care field, you would see a continual improvement and competition to target the margins. Right now there are solution that could increase the level of care given to the poor. For a cursory examination see "How Government Solved the Health Care Crises" by Roderick Long (The Crisis was that health-care was too cheap.)

    3. Re:triage is rationing by Jessified · · Score: 1

      MMMMMMM propaganda! "Please sir, I want some more!"

    4. Re:triage is rationing by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      http://freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

      Mostly just a bit history

    5. Re:triage is rationing by r00t · · Score: 1

      My ideal is that health care goes to desirable people, and I get to choose who is desirable.

      Money is a very crude approximation of that. It beats the near-random results of a waiting list.

      People with money tend to be smarter, harder working, more rational, better at planning ahead, less violent, etc. -- all traits that I think are worthy.

      An alternate crude approximation could be an IQ test. Since health care requires money though, we might as well use money to determine desirability.

  79. Re:So forget all about not panicking in emergencie by Geminii · · Score: 1

    Given that PDAs can play voice files, I wonder if there'll be an app for that?

  80. skill by DaveGod · · Score: 1

    Whether this is of any beneficial use depends on how it is used.

    A system providing some data that a skilled operator may choose to consider can, provided it works consistently, be a tool of (however minimal) benefit only.

    A system attempting to provide an excuse for call queuing systems, or with the aim of being able to use less skilled operators, is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    Unfortunately most systems seem to be designed to introduce "cost savings". If it's not the entire point then there's at least something thrown in so marketing can make the claim and the buyer can justify it up the chain.

  81. App that modulates your voice by coyote_oww · · Score: 1

    What you need is an app that mods your voice to fit the high priority profile automatically. Then you have competion between callers for who's app can best convice the call center computer that it's a real emergency.

  82. stress doesn't equate need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an old lady with a cat stuck in a tree can sound pretty stressed.

    A horror fan hardened, medical drama watching, cold intellectual freak like me can sound calm with a parent lying before me having a heart attack.

  83. Re:Voice analyzers are commonplace in call centers by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

    At some point you're talking to a live person. Otherwise there's nothing to analyze, right?

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  84. Already exists. by twebb72 · · Score: 1

    Was already developed for the 1992 movie 'Sneakers'. Classic.

  85. law of unintended consequences by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

    And so if I act like a lunatic, I go to the front of the line? So now everyone who calls will shriek and scream. I'm sure that will be a big improvement.

    Why is it that governments can't figure out that people have minds, and will adapt their behavior to govt programs?

  86. Re:Tetris by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Nah, that's Fark.com.

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  87. Shock by formfeed · · Score: 1

    A person who's in shock may seem completely and utterly calm, outwardly.

    Or worse: laugh hysterically.