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Texas Site Pushes Back Known Settlement Date For North America
Velcroman1 writes "The discovery of ancient stone tools at an archaeological dig in Texas could push back the presence of humans in North America, perhaps by as much as 2,500 years. The find was located 5 feet below materials left by the well-known Clovis culture, which was once thought to have been the first American settlers around 13,000 years ago. It was 'like finding the Holy Grail,' Waters said in a telephone interview. To find what appears to be a large open-air campsite 'is really gratifying. Lucky and gratifying.'"
Too bad the Texas text books state that this is 7000 years before God created the Earth.
they better not open the Pandorica or the Daleks will really invade this time around.
is that Texas culture has regressed since then.
I sign on to make a wise-ass comment about creationism and Texas and find two others beat me too it.
Either /. commenter creativity has hit a new low, or Texas's reputation is so overpowering that such jokes are inevitable.
The Clovis kids were probably just playing a practical joke 10,000 years ago, burying pottery five feet under, to confuse the archaeologists.
So the Clovis culture was one day's easy digging away from being the first archaeologists?
Are you charging the archaeologists with falsifying data? Because it sure sounds like that's what you're doing, and if so, you'd better contact the Texas A&M ethics board with your allegations. If you're not willing to do that, and provide evidence, you should probably just STFU.
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
It's nice to read about a settlement that has nothing to do with a lawsuit.
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
"Known settlement date"? What the hell does that even mean? Perhaps "date of first known settlement", but come on. Even if the story is filled with grammatical problems, at LEAST check the headlines before you hit submit.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Does anyone in Texas still believe in science?
Lots of people in Texas believe in science.
It's the ones who don't believe in science who make the front page on Slashdot.
I expected an article about some Texas-based website pushing back the settlement date for some kind of copyright violation class action lawsuit affecting North American users only (at least the known ones).
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Well it's kinda impossible for new findings to push it forward. Any new findings will either be the same age or newer (and thus don't make the news) or they're older and push the date back.
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Just throwing this out there, but archaeologists are probably making discoveries _all_the_time_. You just hear about the ones that news sources pick up as, well, news worthy. Kinda like ones that show us we were here thousands of years before we previously thought. Nothing odd about that, in my opinion.
I'm certainly not one to begrudge someone their cynicism, but I fail to understand what you're finding "interesting" about that. Of course the discoveries that make the news are the ones that set the date back further.
Finding tools from 1000BC might (or might not. IANAA) be a valuable find, but it's not news because we already KNOW there were people around earlier than that.
Wow!! Mental note to walk on egg shells when ever Daniel Dvorkin is around.
Or better yet, as with any debate, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As the claimant, the burden of proof is on you to show that a professional is falsifying data. If you're unable to do so, withdraw your claims.
I'm just saying that [logical fallacy]...
What are your credentials and what professional experience do you have as an archaeologist that you're able to make informed observations on the age of the artifacts that are uncovered?
Does anyone in Texas still believe in science?
Presumably some of those people in Mission Control still do...
In search of a creditable source for this (a bit of internet archaeology), just below the layer of detritus of modern society, I stumbled upon this: http://www.livescience.com/13398-americans-predate-clovis-110324.html
Yep.
As a Texan that believes in science I can say that, yes, there are a few of us here.
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These are all fair and probably correct statements. True that nobody reports on the the guy who discovered a previously unknown settlement from 9K years ago when the last discovery was from 10k. And no... I'm obviously not in the field. The only bases I have for my comments are my observations of the new stories that I see combined with my observations of human behavior through out the years.
That theory has been long ago discredited. It's amazing that it still decorates US history books - is it because almost no one teaching this subject and the kids learning about it don't care at all?
Anyway, this finding helps debunking the mantra...
This is getting a lot more hype than it should: Several other sites, as well as genetic studies, have pointed to the existence of pre-Clovis human habitation in North America, and it had long been a working hypothesis for a lot of archaeologists who had been studying early American habitation.
The only really interesting question is what these tools most resemble: If they look like they're related to a culture not from Siberia, that would be a much bigger deal, since it would suggest migration from Africa or Europe or Polynesia.
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They found ol' Dinosaur Dan!
"When y'all gonna let me outta here?"
See.... observations on human behavior.
In the name of open and honest discussion I just admitted that my view might need some adjustment. Not sure how the makes me a "faggot".
The Texas find is interesting, because it's dealing with settlement of North America, but to me the India find in the same article was much more interesting. Acheulian stone tool designs in India at 1.5 million years BC, saying humans migrated out of Africa at least 100,000 years earlier than we thought! That difference is a lot longer than the time modern Cro-Magnons have been around.
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The tools are stamped "Made in China"
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
...the Earth is only 6000 years old.
Click, click.
A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
Nevermind GP. If he had in his posession the "evidence" necessary to backup his claims and didn't feel the need to bring them to light, not only would that make him a homosexual, but it would also mean he's too stingy to seed his volumes of gay porn to the rest of the world.
Lets not even touch how he feels he's capable of providing a "professional" opinion on the matter...
Bryan/College Station's worst disaster occurred when a small two-seater Cessna 150 plane, piloted by two Texas A&M students, crashed into a cemetery earlier today. Texas A&M volunteers have recovered 300 bodies so far and expect the number to climb as digging continues into the evening. The pilot and copilot survived and are helping in the recovery efforts.
I know it's old, but it never fails to get the goat of my Aggie buddies.
The US government have made it clear that we have no inalienable rights; any we do not defend vigorously will be taken.
Note that this article was on Fox, along with news of a Bigfoot video from North Carolina and a story on an El Chupacabra found in Kentucky. You know that Rupert Murdock, he checks, rechecks, and checks again to make sure his stories are accurate!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I wish they'd post more information on how they dated the tools. It's not that I doubt the science, but the article makes it sounds like they dug 5 feet deeper and found tools, so they must be thousands of years older. I can almost hear Ray Comfort now saying "The Clovis people dug a 5-foot hole and buried their old tools. All these scientists found was an ancient landfill. Now look at this banana..."
Why does the quality of news articles always have to be so low? Off-topic now but: It's an online publication for cryin' out loud! A few extra words won't cost anything and grammar/spell check is just a friggin' button.
For a minute I thought this was about some official Texas educational website changing the dates of historical events. And my first reaction was "o, those idiots, are they at it again?".
And every time you find something you lost, it's always in the last place you look. It's not weird, it's just how it works.
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Not necessarily. There could be some discoveries that alter geologic timetable presumptions, and thus move dates forward. It doesn't happen as often as it used to, and certainly not as drastically as before, but there are still occasional changes.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
You can't buy glassware for chemistry here in Texas without a license, so you aren't far off, despite being a troll.
The real Americans, the Native ones, have been very friendly towards me. So the Blacks and Asian-Americans.
Unlike some european-americans (NOT EVERYBODY); who called some hispanics wet backs, without looking into a person's talent or moral quality.
Funny: an immigrant telling another immigrant is not good enough for not being blonde?
(despite the pond between US and Europe is waaay bigger.)
Disclosure: My beautiful wife is caucasian blonde/never been illegally in the US
I guess those 'native' Americans will have to find a way to steal THIS find too, so that it can't be DNA tested, and also make sure that no damn WHITE people can look at the site properly, lest we find that America was inhabited by whites long before the 'native' Americans came and murdered them all...
Just like China was a white country, before the Mongol hoardes came and murdered all the white men, and raped all the white women, producing what is now known as the 'Chinese' race. Is it any surprise that China is a totalitarian country, with no regard for the suffering of animals or people? I wonder which side of the family tree made them like that?
There are plenty of other articles on this story on the web; take your pick.
And to make matters worse, it was an AP story! ZOMG!
Knee, meet Jerk.
Did they find any RV parts?
Parent is funny because Aggies really are that focused.
... or Puma Puncu?
Since Texas is for all practical purposes no longer a civilized state (not the only one), they shouldnt get the credit for this. id rather Mexico have the honors, i suspect they are more respectful of archeology. So lets just say it was found in northern Mexico.