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Apple Adding "Do-Not-Track" To Safari
bonch writes "The latest developer preview of OS X Lion includes a 'do not track' privacy feature in Safari, the latest browser to do so following Mozilla Firefox and Microsoft Internet Explorer. The feature complies with a privacy system backed by the FTC that allows users to declare that they do not wish to be tracked by online advertisers. This leaves Google Chrome as the last prominent browser not to support the feature. As an online advertiser themselves, Google states that they 'will continue to be involved closely' with industry discussions about compliance with the do-not-track system."
Microsoft added a 'Do Not Crack' plea button to Internet Explorer ... hackers were unavailable for comments on whether this new button will convince them of leaving the browser alone
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
slashdot still dosent work properly in iOS safari, leaving you not able to see all comments.
There is an excellent 3rd party extension for Chrome called "ChromeBlock" that opts you out of ad tracking networks. I use this combined with one called "Disconnect" that dispersonalizes searches and blocks 3rd party sites from tracking you.
Chrome already has "incognito mode," so I'm not sure what more you could want from a browser if there is any concern about privacy.
Do any of these "Do Not Track" buttons in browsers actually do anything useful, like disable third-party cookies, or does it just amount to an altogether useless "pretty please!" plea to the oh-so-ethical tracking/advertising industry? If the latter, then aren't these fancy "Do Not Track" buttons actually WORSE than nothing since they'll give ignorant users a completely phoney sense of security.
Y'know, while it pleases me to see all the major browsers implementing this, and even having some shred of FTC support, it still doesn't amount to a kernel of corn in a mountain of turd for one simple reason...
Namely, the real abusers of our privacy don't give a damn about what we want. And don't think that only includes the likes of Ralsky - Every single company that thinks they can get away with harvesting your data by using a "third party affiliate" or offshore host, will do whatever they can get away with.
We have one, and only one, means of maintaining our privacy online - Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Filter your response headers, never use your real name, address, phone number, or even your real dog's name as the answer to a site's security questions.
You see, I like to go and visit porn sites and then Evangelical Christian sites and then pot legalization sites and then pro-gay marriage sites and then back.
I'm hoping the social conservatives will see and think, "Hey! Our flock likes gay marriage, porn and pot. We better get behind the legalization of pot or we'll lose our worshipers!"
Or they'll think I'm just Republican Congressman.
That's what I tell myself anyway. ..
I'm sure there are ways for sites to be in compliance with the no-tracking feature, but they will still track you.
so i have ie, firefox, chrome, safari, and opera always installed on every one of my machines (work/ mobile/ home)
sometimes i'll randomly launch browsers just to get a feel for the user experience ("___ is not your default browser, would like to make..." ad infinitum). i'm sure if slashdot data mined the HTTP_USER_AGENT server variable attached to user circletimessquare they'd see an odd 5 piece pie chart
but after reading this post, i foresee the chrome pie piece experiencing a significant decrease in size
c'mon google, what the fuck
and this is why competition works. if only ie dominated, as in years past, there's be little or no pressure to introduce this feature. honest fair competition (in a well-regulated marketplace) means the consumer wins
one final aside: i love opera. that's one scrappy browser. they always seem to have the most exotic features that leave your mind excited rather than eye-rolling (like bit torrent support baked in). supporting opera, unfortunately, is an afterthought in most browser development projects i've been attached to, and in the past, it suffered from the same hijinks as ie6/7 which left you angry at it and resentful (not so much anymore). but i've always tried to support opera. and its not just sentimental love for the underdog, opera is a really good browser, you should try it (no i'm not affiliated with them in any way). i believe its hot in nordic countries (which makes sense, since its from there) and eastern europe
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Since Google Analytics seems to be on about every website in the known world these days, it hardly surprises me that Google would be reluctant to support this. Wouldn't this feature essentially cripple it?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Any browser that supports addons/plugins/extensions has the ability to support addons like Ghostery which blocks tracking cookies - which Chrome does. Building the functionality to "declare" that you don't want to be tracked thus becomes entirely unnecessary, and solves the problems that will arise in the future when it's discovered that these websites acknowledge your declaration, but use their tracking cookies anyways. I don't know about you guys, but this FTC-backed privacy system still leaves the decision to honor privacy and security in the hands of these websites, when it should remain in the hands of the users.
tracks of our fears anyway. spying on us is also fear based. as is hurting/killing any one of us, as there is no other real reason to do so.
I really cannot believe the sincerity of people or organisations who ask me to add my details to a list in order for my details not to be added to, err, other lists.
Same goes for those schemes for people to opt out of having salesman phone them or the opt out of advertising through the post.
The government is not on your side. They need big business to generate the funds which produce the taxes which fund the government - and the salary of your representatives. Those representatives are not interested in your petty privacy. They are interested in spending money on grand projects.
That is why this is just a silly gesture which they know will be circumvented if it works at all.
Why isn't this a single place in the browser that:
* Disables tracking javascripts from web pages such as google-analytics
* Blocks web bugs
* Disables loading of tracking ads
* Spoofs the referrer to be the root of the domain being visited
* Changes your default search engine off google and onto one that doesn't log your searches
* And so on?
That would actually be a _meaningful_ form of "do not track". Seriously - this should be built into every modern browser with a single preference checkbox. Then it wouldn't take so much knowledge to have REAL privacy and many more people would have it.
Why do I get the feeling this is going to be like a version of "127 Hours" where Google is going to have to decide whether to cut off its own arm to escape?
I'm pondering ways to designate my unique set of clicks to be a copyrighted work. Then we can let those beautiful new CopyTerror laws in a tasty case of the Law of Unexpected Consequences.
Actually, I'd really like to see a fight between the **aa and the web tracking industries. Anyone know how much $ value the "4th parties" (not Google) together combine into vs Big Media?
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
Safari has had an "Enable Private Browsing" feature for some time now. Is there really any difference between this and a "Do-Not-Track" feature?
Wonder when they are going to implement malicious bit in TCP-IP.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
"Google states that they 'will continue to be involved closely' with industry discussions about compliance with the do-not-track system."
Of course that's so they know what they need to do to make it not work.
In related news, Apple claims they invented the magical concept of "do-not-track".
mod parent up: informative/ insightful
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Mod APK down, by definition. He's a troll, best known for "How to Respond When People Threaten to Sue You on the Web". (Yes, he's the "people".)
this is some sort of subculture war i'm not familiar with. link? (work safe link please)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Yes, Spam legislation did SO much good. /sarcasm All it did was move it off shore. While advertising may not move off shore, the fact is that you can't legislate tracking, and you can't solve it with "Please please don't track me" buttons. Oh, so you can get adsense to stop following you? Big whoop. If a website wants, they can each have their own tracking software, and sell to highest bidder.
And you keep pushing and pushing, and sites like Facebook will start throwing up warnings about how crappy your experience will be unless you disable. Don't disable? Then they'll feed you a site with no Javascript that looks like it survived the Geocities shutdown.
When will users, companies, and politicians learn... they wouldn't KNOW so much about you if you didn't TELL them in the first place! Other than your IP, every other form of information is one you actively give or can proactively prevent. And there are always services like Tor if your IP being known freaks you out...
Sorry, but I'm really tired of this shit. People freak out because someone stole a list of email addresses, oOoOo... I stole a white pages phone book, should someone call the FBI? I'm going to start comparing the 30yr old + generation, of which I'm a part of, the new Sen. Stevens generation. I'm all for privacy, but this whiny do not track button BS isn't going to save ONE person from real ID theft. It's another "the internet is a bunch of tubes" make believe idea.
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Don't pay any attention to my "AC Stalker" here I am replying to: It's TomHudson trolling me as AC:
He's telling others to "mod me down", because that's ALL he has vs. facts & figures etc. that I generally use - It's just another TomHudson anonymous reply attack on myself!
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So, does TomHudson do that? Well, take a read, & you tell me:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
(Oh, & it's kind of tough to hide yourself as AC tomhudson, when your own words give you & your pals away as doing that to myself, as shown in that URL above)...
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Especially when you're a KNOWN MALWARE MAKER, who worked for the russians doing so, tomhudson:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1699526&cid=32716798
"Do like I did - work for the Russians for a few years" - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday June 28 2010, @11:09AM (#32716798) Homepage Journal
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Making malware, as shown here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2051634&cid=35693892
"As I've pointed out elsewhere, it is a trivial exercise to design a C&C that can bypass the whole HOSTS thing" - by tomhudson (43916) on Friday April 01, @11:30AM (#35688796) Homepage
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And, when TomHudson was asked to let us try this alleged "app" of his that has 50,000 users? He ran. Of course he won't let ANYONE 'try his botnet', at least not willingly, and sure, I can see his having "50,000 users"... more like 50k enslaved unwitting & unknowing users is more like it, via his botnets...
APK
i feel like i'm sitting in starbucks witnessing a fistfight spill over from the s&m club next door
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
don't worry, i have no party in this fistfight. happy browsing and happy brawling
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
LOL, don't blame you... but, that's how it is (& I am NOT the one trolling others as AC replies, when the one doing it (tomhudson is) has a registered account here (I do not, no need))
APK
http://www.google.com/search?q=alexander%20peter%20kowalski... wouldn't it be great to have the first Google result for your name show what a psychotic jackass you are? "All bark, no bite"... and a few fries short of a happy meal, too. It's just too bad that the .apk file extension has polluted the results for his initials.
(For further reading, http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1003910&p=19122373#p19122373 - I am surprised, though, that someone who's been around as long as you isn't already familiar with him.)
Also, he changes his IP address so that he can spam Slashdot and circumvent the automatic postcount ban (slow down cowboy/you must wait a little bit).
P.S. I do owe APK thanks, though, for posting those links - I'd never seen the TomHudson journal entry that was linked to in one of the threads.
"don't worry, i have no party in this fistfight." - by circletimessquare (444983) on Thursday April 14, @12:16PM (#35818882) Homepage
Excellent, and I only posted that data (as to who is ac stalker trolling me, tomhudson) because you asked for such data in your other replies here (I leave no stone unturned, especially when others ask for data).
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"happy browsing" - by circletimessquare (444983) on Thursday April 14, @12:16PM (#35818882) Homepage
Per my subject-line above? Likewise (on Opera!)...
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"and happy brawling" - by circletimessquare (444983) on Thursday April 14, @12:16PM (#35818882) Homepage
A brawl or fistfight is ONLY possible between equals... & this troll, tomhudson, who LITERALLY stalks & trolls me as AC here (especially when he has a registered user account here & my last posts to you show he does this to me)? Is FAR from that...
No - It's more an "ANNIHILATION", especially when I put up proofs as I did as to his "motivations" for stalking & trolling me as AC, and what he REALLY DOES (malware & botnet maker)...
APK
"wouldn't it be great to have the first Google result for your name show what a psychotic jackass you are? "All bark, no bite" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 14, @12:23PM (#35818980)
It is, because I showed the PLANET how that's being done unjustly to guys like myself & by a fool named THOR SCHMUCK!
I wrote an app for a fellow forums user, in good faith, because he couldn't get older Apache servers on Windows to run as a service (invisbly on a Windows rig in those days)... so, being the "good neighbor"? I did it for he, as its only 2 lines of code in C/C++ "spawn calls" type work!
That happens, & a LOT (in freeware/shareware) like Nirsoft's Nir Sofer (guy makes excellent powertools smallish utilities) & even Dr. Mark Russinovich (even vs. the COREFLOOD worm, his work is being used BY SAID WORM):
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PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/251492/trojan_lurks_waiting_steal_admin_passwords/?fp=2&fpid=1
"But the Coreflood hackers have been successful, thanks in part to a Microsoft program called PsExec, which was written to help system administrators run legitimate software on computers across their networks.
For a widespread infection, attackers must first compromise a system on the network by tricking the user into downloading their program. Then, when a system administrator logs onto that desktop machine -- to perform routine maintenance, for example -- the malicious software tries to run PsExec and install malware on all other systems on the network.
Often the technique succeeds."
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I feel bad for Dr. Russinovich here, I really do - THAT? That's NOT a first for he... he designed his app TO HELP SYSADMINS, not harm others... I know the feeling!
HOWEVER - That won't work with the single app I wrote that gets misused... it's NOT SCRIPTABLE is why! & I DESIGNED IT THAT WAY, ON PURPOSE! Just in case someone got "bright ideas", so I omitted argv/argc capabilities from it (never put them in, you have to use it manually & select folders + apps to use it, VISUALLY/INTERACTIVELY!)
Plus, my app has been lowered to ZERO THREAT LEVELS by the folks that are the source of such libel on myself!
(Because the app, like many others, is like a gun, & guns don't kill folks - OTHER PEOPLE DO!)
That occurred (zero threat level), because I went @ CA, on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay) & took their 21 point test for removal - My app did not violate a SINGLE 1 OF THEIR 21 POINT TEST is why!
Funniest part here though, is that "ping" is the same (can be used for pinging, or pings of death (in the past, most new OS have patched that much).
Also, CA (the source of all of that)? They're disreputable (busted for accounting fraud) - OR, does THIS link I showed here before, which was + 5 INFORMATIVE rated no less here:
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COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102
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NOT prove that much? Sure does!
Thanks - Because you're only allowing me to expose my false accusers publicly once again for the slime they are... thank you!
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"... and a few fries short of a happy meal, too. It's just too bad that the .apk file extension has polluted the results for his initials."" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 14, @12:23PM (#35818980)
When you produce:
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1.) PHD in Psychiatry to your name/credit
2.) Proof of your license to practice it professionally
3.) Years-to-Decades of doing so per #3 above
4.) A formal examination of myself in professional environs as to my "menta
First of all, unless everyone moves to impression-based advertising, tracking users is pretty fundamental to having free access to most web sites. The business model is based around providing free content in exchange for displaying advertising. When you click on that advertisement, web sites need to be able to track who to give the money too. A magic "do not track me" HTTP header is either going to be ignored in this context, or would result in the transformation of the web into an oligarchy of paywalled content. I strongly prefer to read online news for free and see a few advertisements thrown in than to pay $20/month for news subscriptions.
If everyone had to actually respect the "do not track" option, then I would expect to see every web site come up with a warning that they need to disable the "do not track" option in order for their site to work. Google's proposal is way more realistic. It is like the difference between turning off JavaScript globally, or selectively blocking JavaScripts from running based on which web site they are from.
c'mon google, what the fuck
and this is why competition works.
Google does not provide Chrome for your use. Google created a data gathering and capturing utility called Chrome so that its' product - YOU can be sold and resold to advertisers.
Competition does not matter in this scenario. Google is a virtual monopoly as a data agregator.
this is the problem with negativity and cynicism. assuming you really think like this, and accept it, you are accepting slavery
i'm a free man. as such, i am positive and optimistic. which is the cause and which is the effect?
it is my assertion that the attitude creates the reality. the proof of your cynicism is the life you lead... which is because of your cynicism. your cynicism is a cause, not an effect. your psychological makeup predisposes you to a fate of slavery or freedom. freedom is the realm of the optimist
i just look at the way you view the world you live in, and shake my head. because its simply not the same world i live in. then i look to my world, and am cheerful again
life is emergent phenomena. it is not a static unyielding truth. you create your fate, actively, you are not the victim of it. well, at least this truth applies to me and other free men
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Opera is cool, unfortunately it is currently broken on OSX, I cannot access any sites that have IPV6 AAAA-record cause Opera tries to use IPV6 even though I have disabled IPV6. Hoping that next version fixes this, I can stop launching Safari to access those few sites that won't open now on Opera.
- Raynet --> .
See subject line and what you posted as (ac). Man, are you dumb. Ask the mods here if the ip is the same then. I am posting as ac myself in response to you. Also to this from you quoted next below? Please. give us a break with your "pot calling the kettle black" crap:
"(An anonymous coward suddenly pops out of the woodwork.)" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 14, @02:55PM (#35820680)
Notice the 'by-line' signature on YOUR post? Gosh - looks like ac to me! Thus, lol, documentation's not needed to show you're an idiot, with your "pot calling the kettle black" tactics (poor as they are, lol). This reply of mine does the job, due to your idiocy and yes, stupidity, easily for me.
No thanks Apple, I already have it covered.
This is a good combo, not sure why Apple is developing their own when perfectly good options already exist.
There's nothing wrong with being black, only with being a nigger-hater.
WTF? Where did that come from?? Talk about "straw man" logic. Seriously, what do your off topic and rather reprehensible racial slurs have to do with anything here??? Smoke or take another drug why don't you, because either you are very stupid, or whacked on some drug, take your pick. Your off topic anonymous coward trolling has only backfired on you badly, especially the "pot calling the kettle black" tactics you tried here, hahaha http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2083778&cid=35820758 as well as you being caught stalking and trolling others as ac tomhudson, here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
Spoken like a true Scientologist.
I don't use MacOS X here @ home, @ least regularly, as I never saw the point in spending 3x as much as one does on a PC, for the same relative functionality.
Now, per my subject line:
I am sure that IF you submit that to Opera? They'll fix it as fast as is possible...
(They're the "underdog" after all, & need to work hard(er) to get places on PC's (they do great on phones & consoles though))...
On that note?
Ever TRY Safari (even 5.x which had a bug in it so they issued 5) on Windows?? I have... I set it up for my niece, she likes MacOS X since she uses it in school & likes it over Windows even (WOMEN!)... lol!
Anyhow - Not a "fun" experience... very, Very, VERY SLOW! I mean noticeably, not just via benchmarks!
(Everyone's got "room to grow/improve" it seems, is what I am saying here is all on this note)
Don't get me wrong either: I have to admit, I like the MacOS X interface... simply put? It's BEAUTIFUL!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly - I also hope the Apple folks re-compile Safari for Windows, and some of their OTHER apps (iirc, ITunes & 1 other, might be safari, might not be) that are ported to Windows, because they made mistakes in them that are REMOTELY EXPLOITABLE by using API calls that HAD problems before 2 days ago (bug in Visual Studio that was patched this "patch tuesday") -> http://secunia.com/advisories/product/30853/?task=advisories
Google states that they 'will continue to be involved closely' with industry discussions about compliance with the do-not-track system.
Who else can smell the methane coming off of this obvious political statement? Talk about side-stepping to avoid making a comment. This is why I use Firefox. No fud, community supported, rock solid.
someone makes a post about how the way apple is doing it is slightly different than the other browsers and so instead of just following the trend and playing catch up, they're somehow innovative?
...should have been disabling all third party cookies, BY DEFAULT, in ALL installations. Next step should have been adding functionality like Ghostery block all suspected trackers, period. And finally, they should have added NoScript-like functionality, where scripts can be set to be enabled only on the site being visited, and any third-party sites required for scripting to be enabled can be enabled as needed--and only those. And as a bonus, for the more advanced users, functionality equivalent to CookieCuller to block all cookies by default could be added as an option in the preferences (on in this case would probably confuse a lot of people).
"Do Not Track" is useless. It's a fucking joke.
See title, & note: You're the one who thinks that being called black is some kind of insult, kettle, you nigger-hater. See, I have no problem with being called black, because there is nothing wrong with BEING black. I just call them as I see them, and I see fit to call you APK. So, does that stand for Alexander Peter Kettle? You're a chip off the old kettle blockhead all right, and you got burned badly... exactly how I like my kettle chips. Fried "extra crispy", if you know what I mean... a nice dark BLACK!
A "pot calling a kettle black" is an old adage, a saying... but, I wager you KNOW that, & are just being an obtuse troll, in regards to this from you quoted below, because you accuse ac posters of "popping outta the woodwork" & yet YOU ARE AN AC POSTER (a trolling one):
"(An anonymous coward suddenly pops out of the woodwork.)" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 14, @02:55PM (#35820680)
LOL, I mean - Notice the 'by-line' signature on YOUR post? Gosh - looks like ac to me!
Thus, lol, documentation's not needed to show you're an idiot, with your "pot calling the kettle black" tactics (poor as they are, lol).
APK
A "pot calling a kettle black" is an old adage, a saying
An old adage from an old racist. And enslaving the negroes is an old practice. Apparently old racists like yourself think that since it's old it must be okay. Eenie, meenie, miney, moe, catch a nigger by its toe, if it hollers let it go. It's an old saying, so it must be okay. Eenie, meenie, miney moe.
you accuse ac posters of "popping outta the woodwork"
You're too stupid (or maybe I should say "obtuse") to figure this out, so I'll just tell you: I DID NOT SAY THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH POSTING ANONYMOUSLY. This should be obvious since I'm posting anonymously myself; however you are apparently too stupid to figure it out. The problem is being APK (synonymous with IDIOT). Alexander Peter Kettle indeed... jump out of the fire and back into the frying pan, Petey, you're not black enough yet. Luckily there's no need for any more grease as your own blubbering keeps the pan oiled up just fine.