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White House To Drop Details of Cyber ID On Tax Day

BeatTheChip writes "Dept. of Commerce Scry. Gary Locke plans to release solidified details of the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace [NSTIC] program starting 11 AM on Tax Day. Technologies and new policies will be demonstrated and discussed to attending press. NSTIC, a federal cyber identity program, drew criticisms earlier this year on initial announcement for similarities to a national identity program. It was deemed 'Real ID for the Internet' by some privacy and civil liberty organizations. NSTIC is a national online authentication program for public use under the oversight of the Dept. of Homeland Security."

276 comments

  1. Connection Error by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry citizen, in compliance with U.S. law, Comcast Cable Broadband now requires that all subscribers identify themselves by their U.S. Internet Identification Number before accessing internet content. Please contact your local office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for more information on how to obtain your U.S. Internet Identification Number. And thank you for choosing Comcast as your broadband provider!

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    1. Re:Connection Error by BigJClark · · Score: 2


      disclaimer: I am not a US citizen

      What scares me infinitely more than giving my ID to a government institution for obtaining a service (drivers license, Liqour store, etc), is the fact that the public sector will be charged with creating a secure, robust, dependable system. It would seem like an absolute blessing for one with questionable morals to be able to steal identities, obtaining records for advert purposes, etc


      I don't think they could do it successfully....

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    2. Re:Connection Error by Toe,+The · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sigh. Yeah, let's just use people's Facebook identity as their trusted ID.
      I can't think of a single reason why that might not be a superb idea.

      P.S. Oh, hey! Let's also let the voting machines be designed by the private sector, in closed source on Windows. That can't possibly be a problem, right?

    3. Re:Connection Error by Toe,+The · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Citizen. Your U.S. IIN has accessed it's limit of porn for today.
      Please wait until tomorrow to continue whatever you were doing.

    4. Re:Connection Error by zeroshade · · Score: 2

      Actually, it does matter. For something like a voting system, an open source system right down to the OS is the best way to go about it. That way there is a complete paper trail showing precisely how they work. It severely reduces the chances for fraud.

    5. Re:Connection Error by Toe,+The · · Score: 2

      The issue of whether or not a voting machine can be hacked is rather important.

      Diebold (and other) voting machines use XP, last I heard. That's about the most hacked/compromised OS ever made. So yeah, it matters, and no, I won't go die.

    6. Re:Connection Error by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

      I like how you added "On windows" as if it actually mattered what OS you used for a voting machine.

      You're a dumb troll. Go die.

      Uh, what? It absolutely does matter, given that the likes of Diebold have been caught repeatedly changing the firmware in their voting machines after they were inspected and sealed. I also like the idea of using an operating system that is simple, robust, and doesn't have the layer upon layer of crap that is Windows, where nobody, not even Microsoft, can tell you exactly what is there. Something based around a stripped-down open-source OS, perhaps. One where the code that is running on the machine can be verified to be the exact code that is supposed to be running, down to the last bit, and furthermore is simple enough that one would have a damned hard time hiding anything.

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    7. Re:Connection Error by jesburger · · Score: 2

      Actually, eventually you will.

    8. Re:Connection Error by gartogg · · Score: 1

      You don't understand. If the system is closed enough, the designer never has to worry about these hypothetical audits you suggest. That frees him to make REAL money designing software.

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    9. Re:Connection Error by gartogg · · Score: 1

      You know, by fixing elections.

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    10. Re:Connection Error by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well since it doesn't matter, why not choose one of the OSes that doesn't have the worst security record by a huge margin? To choose the horribly insecure one would just be stupid right? And if that one with relatively horrible security record costs 3 digits when many of the other options (including those with the best security records) are free, that would be doubly stupid, wouldn't you agree? And if that expensive, insecure OS is also relatively heavy on system resources, for a system that only has to present a very basic GUI and do some basic storage and maybe (ideally not) networking functions, that would be triply stupid, wouldn't it?

      Doesn't it look like the GP has a point?

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    11. Re:Connection Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it does not matter. Electronic voting is ripe for fraud with or without source code. There is no way to check that the machine in front of you runs the code that is listed in the documentation. Not for an expert, not for laymen.

      It is important that open source advocates understand that having the source does not solve all possible problems. Electronic voting requires that people trust a machine even though they're not the the ones who select the hardware and install the software. This trust can not be achieved properly without violating important aspects of a democratic election (particularly that you must not be able to prove what you voted.)

    12. Re:Connection Error by slick7 · · Score: 1

      The issue of whether or not a voting machine can be hacked is rather important.

      Diebold (and other) voting machines use XP, last I heard. That's about the most hacked/compromised OS ever made. So yeah, it matters, and no, I won't go die.

      It doesn't really matter when the ballot boxes can be stuffed with unverifiable absentee ballots. TFTFY.

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    13. Re:Connection Error by ideaz · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah and we are closed on the weekend.

    14. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1, Interesting

      the public sector will be charged with creating a secure, robust, dependable system.

      You think the NSA isn't public sector? CIA? NASA? the Military? DARPA? the FAA?

      The only reason we have anything resembling a concept of "secure, robust, dependable system" is because the government invented it.

      Left to its own devices, private industry doesn't give two shits about your privacy, security, safety, or the reliabiltiy of its products. If I trust anyone not to be hacking the system to give themselves an instant advantage and access to steal my money, it's the government itself. They already have the right of eminent domain, up to and including the right to conscript me and order me into a suicide mission, and every day they don't exercise it means they actually allow me to keep my stuff.

      That last part is true of every nation on Earth, including yours. Many of them actively take their citizens' stuff just because the Sovereign wants more stuff, or doesn't like the gene pool you came from, and kill people for laughs or profit.

      Either you own your government, or it owns you. And either one is a lot better than letting Standard Oil own you.

    15. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      particularly that you must not be able to prove what you voted

      That's only relevant in a society where you can be retaliated against for your vote.

      Which, if democracy is already established, should never be a state the society can get into.

      So you should be safe letting everyone know how you voted.

      As if anyone ever does hide their allegiance any more.

    16. Re:Connection Error by WorBlux · · Score: 2

      disclaimer: I am not a US citizen

      Nobody is really. In fides non ficta.

    17. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Voting to disable identification is not the means for stopping that.

      Voting to stop that is the means for stopping that.

      Your ISP can already throttle you down to 2 grainy .wmv files a day. And while you're fighting a voluntary secure ID system, they're off making throttling the law.

    18. Re:Connection Error by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's not so great either... however,letting DHS be your authentication source for your social networking comments isn't at all chilling.

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    19. Re:Connection Error by pla · · Score: 1

      is the fact that the public sector will be charged with creating a secure, robust, dependable system.

      Hah! You did see in the summary where it said this baby comes from the security-geniuses at the TSA?

      I at least trust the private sector to implement it as well as necessary to make a buck; The TSA doesn't even have that requirement.

    20. Re:Connection Error by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Lots of people who vote for third party candidates probably would rather not have their neighbors find out they voted for the Communists, Socialists, Fascists, or a racist party other than the republicans.

    21. Re:Connection Error by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      You don't understand. If the system is closed enough, the designer never has to worry about these hypothetical audits you suggest. That frees him to make REAL money designing software.

      Indeed, but that still means the code is still subject to reverse engineering. We need the "cloud" to take care of elections, with an adobe flex based web-service as the front end, that will protect Diebold's ability to make money even further ;).

    22. Re:Connection Error by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many times do we have to discuss this? The answer is computer-assisted voting.

      You go to the machine with the touch screen and the pictures of the candidates and the assistance for the blind and whatever else, and make your choices. The machine then prints a normal ballot, which you review and drop into a normal ballot box. If the machine wants to count votes for a quick report to the press, fine, but that's unofficial. No more questionably-marked ballots, and no need to trust the machine (just look at the printed ballot before casting it). It's so obviously the best of both worlds, it blew me away at first.

      Of course, something so obviously right will never be used, but at least we on Slashdot should all understand it.

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    23. Re:Connection Error by lgw · · Score: 1

      MIcrosoft opens a stripped-down OS without the crap as well (Server Core). Any OS can be digitally signed. There are good arguments for open source here, but those aren't among them.

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    24. Re:Connection Error by lgw · · Score: 1

      Err, Microsoft offers, not opens. When is this silly blog gonna allow commen editing?

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    25. Re:Connection Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that solves most problems with electronic voting, but many would also not consider this electronic voting. Anyway, you will certainly agree that open or closed source doesn't matter in this case and there are a few remaining issues like the potential for leaking the vote to the outside (intentionally or unintentionally).

    26. Re:Connection Error by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Untrue. Plenty of people are life-long members of one party or another, and peer pressure and self-identity play no small part in it. If votes were a matter of public record, it would be nearly impossible for anyone with friends partly associated with politics to ever cross party lines. If the partisan lunacy in Florida (where even the Republicans are a half step away from a household revolution in Tallahassee) has taught us anything, it's that everyone suffers when parties are allowed to become more than ad-aggregators and a brand name that suggests a general bundle of beliefs, but is powerless to actually dictate *anything*.

    27. Re:Connection Error by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you can prove how you voted, you can sell your vote. Plus, people are attacked for political beliefs in the most civilized countries. Don't let fantasy dictate cautionary measures.

    28. Re:Connection Error by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Not just down to OS, down to all firmware that runs on the device, and hardware schematics.

    29. Re:Connection Error by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Or Democrats. (A valid point, but the problem extends both ways.)

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    30. Re:Connection Error by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      MIcrosoft opens a stripped-down OS without the crap as well (Server Core). Any OS can be digitally signed. There are good arguments for open source here, but those aren't among them.

      That's fine, but it is also not really relevant. The idea here is that we are talking about voting. That process should be as transparent as possible, and in my opinion closed-source has literally no place there. Let everyone and anyone who wants to go through the code. Let everyone and anyone who wants to publish any flaws or vulnerabilities they uncover. You may trust Microsoft's "stripped-down OS without the crap" but the truth is this: Microsoft is no more trustworthy than Diebold, and neither operation should be allowed within at least one planetary diameter of our political process.

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    31. Re:Connection Error by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

      No, no no! The secret ballot is extremely imortant. People need to be abe to lie about who they vote for. Stupid as it sounds, there are a lot of people who only have the courage of their real convictions in private, when they don't have to answer to family, friends, co-workers, clergy, etc. They need the support, and we need to know that we're doing what we can to limit people not voting their conscience.

      Also, while I have no party affiliation I am definitely "left of center" on many issues and candidates. Frankly, the tea party people are scary -- I don't want to be targeted by any group of vindictive, bullying wackos because of how I vote. And the behavior we see today tells me that is not an unreasonable fear -- today from right-wing nuts, maybe next decade from left-wing nuts. The secret ballot is essential to a properly functioning democratic system.

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    32. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      if you can prove how you voted, the authorities can prove you sold your vote

      but if you can't, then it works like this: you get offered $X if candidate Y wins, and $0 if not. The only way to help ensure he wins is to vote for him. Maybe even campaign for him. Sure there will be turncoats, but almost everyone who wants the money will help make sure the outcome is as purchased. and if the guy loses, there's no expense to the person buying the votes. so it's the ideal setup for him, too.

    33. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      There are a few people who need their votes kept secret. They are political noise, along with people who have no business voting, people who are simply misinformed, people who are acting nefariously with their vote, etc.

      Most people would be happy raising their hand on television to have their vote counted.

      The secret ballot is how you allow only those who count the votes to have all the power to decide the election.

      Ask the people of Wisconsin how traceability would be helping them right now.

    34. Re:Connection Error by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

      The secret ballot is how you allow only those who count the votes to have all the power to decide the election.

      It doesn't have to be set up that way, and it shouldn't be. You're probably just to young to realize this, but the US is an extremist kind of place, and we go through some hard political mood swings. We're in one now. During the McCarthy fiasco people's lives were completely ruined for their political affiliations. It could easily happen again, arguably it is happening again on a smaller scale right now. I know I probably sound like a typical old bat saying this, but you kids who are so willing to dispose of your privacy and deprive others of theirs are making some serious mistakes, and some of you will surely live to regret it.

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    35. Re:Connection Error by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      Isn't it the private sector that's developing this, with some input and acceptance from the government (as in, you can use whatever they come up with as legal ID, etc...)

      I don't know if I trust business any more than government. Government doesn't have a profit motive, and government doesn't care about raking in ad revenue...

    36. Re:Connection Error by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      If you have service from any major ISP, they already have your CC number and probably your SSN. They know what cable MACs are on your account, and they know what IP has been leased to it (I don't know about you, but my DHCP assigned IP hasn't changed in over a year!)

      Really, why would they need anything else? If this really were a surveillance state, ISPs could already feed a constant stream of flows and maybe even content to whoever wanted it. In fact, there are CALEA-type provisions in place to do just that if a warrant is served. .. so why are you all ranting like a bunch of crackheads about something that really does seem to have good intentions? Oh, right, because THE MAN is promoting it. I swear, it gets old really quick when [insert race or ethnic group] blames THE MAN for everything, and it's getting old when geeks do it.

    37. Re:Connection Error by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      if you can prove how you voted, the authorities can prove you sold your vote

      If you can prove potential for X, authorities can prove X?

      but if you can't, then it works like this: you get offered $X if candidate Y wins, and $0 if not. The only way to help ensure he wins is to vote for him. Maybe even campaign for him. Sure there will be turncoats, but almost everyone who wants the money will help make sure the outcome is as purchased. and if the guy loses, there's no expense to the person buying the votes. so it's the ideal setup for him, too.

      Yes, this works. You just described entitlement/subsidy politics.

    38. Re:Connection Error by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Can I make my ID number the same as my Slashdot number?

    39. Re:Connection Error by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      That is what they used in my last election (AR) sorry I didn't think to see who made the system. I thought it was quite nice actually, as it gave you a big easy to read touch screen and after saying "yes I'm sure" to each choice (which I thought was a nice touch, for those that may have trembling hands or other disabilities) it would print you selection on a scrolling ballot which you would place in the box. I asked what the electronic results were for and the local official said "it gives the news the early results" so it seemed to cover both the speed that news wants and the paper trail WE want.

      What I thought was most excellent in their new system was there was NO disenfranchisement of voters. None at all. If someone didn't have their name on the roll (just moved, didn't know where to go, etc) they would simply pull them aside, ask a few questions, and get on their cells and have it all straightened out so they could vote where they were and not have to try to find the correct place. I watched it happen twice while I was in line and it took less than 5 minutes both times. Quite nice. Hell they even provided coffee and donuts since there was a heavy turnout.

      So I say it CAN be done right with just a little thought. Whereas before I looked forward to voting day about as much as I look forward to a trip to the DMV before, now it is a nice pleasant easy experience.

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    40. Re:Connection Error by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      The only reason we have anything resembling a concept of "secure, robust, dependable system" is because the government invented it.

      Most of what we have has been invented by government contractors...not so much actual government employees, though there are obviously exceptions.

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    41. Re:Connection Error by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Because there is no infrastructure in place right now for the ISP's to *automatically* provide all that info to the government, or any way to cross-reference it across multiple ISP's/hotspots. And IP addresses can't conclusively prove that a specific individual was accessing given material. An internet ID issued to each individual would be much more specific and allow the government to easily cross-reference all your surfing across multiple ISP's--and presumably compel each ISP to automatically upload this data to them periodically. The government would have a huge database of the internet usage of Americans, indexed by individual citizen.

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    42. Re:Connection Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're either an idiot or a troll. Probably both.

      This is a private-industry thing being backed by NIST... You know, the atomic clock guys. (Not to mention the MANY contributions they have provided to Internet standards)

      I can't think of a more neutral branch of the government.

    43. Re:Connection Error by thefolkmetal · · Score: 1

      I'm curious; I haven't heard of any events where Tea Party people have been vindictive, or where they've bullied anyone, especially because of their vote... What are you basing your fear of them on other than the fact that they're passionate about what they believe in?

    44. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Government contractors working to government requirements. Government is people. Government contractors are government employees are government. Only the litigious semanticians among us could separate them.

    45. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Actually I described all politics: What's in it for me?

      But that's legal and the point of democracy, unless the answer is "money from someone other than the government".

    46. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I'm old enough to have gone through History class, and I remember it better than most.

      Having some verifiable information could have saved McCarthy's victims a lot of trouble, and buried McCarthy a lot sooner.

    47. Re:Connection Error by lgw · · Score: 1

      Reviewing the source would do little to ensure the machine was not compromised. It's great and all if geeks want to read code for fun, but it's effectively locking one of ten doors that an election fixer might use.

      Electronic voting should not be allowed within a planetary diameter of the voting process. Computer-assisted voting solves all the problems with none of the weaknesses.

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    48. Re:Connection Error by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      All money* comes from someone other than the government.
      *well, wealth. Actual money is created by governments, but has no value until people start trading with it.

    49. Re:Connection Error by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Government contractors working to government requirements. Government is people. Government contractors are government employees are government. Only the litigious semanticians among us could separate them.

      Unless I've suddenly become a lawyer, your last sentence is purely false. I've been in the business for 30 years, and am in no way, shape, or form, government.

      Govt. wields the purse strings, makes the final decisions, etc. Contractors provide them with the engineering know how, recommendations, and new ideas (because we want to make more money...just like any business), unsolicited demos, etc.. And, while we also provide actual operational support, and our pay ultimately comes from the government, the roles, responsibilities, pay and benefits are completely different. You call them government requirements, but they're very often requirements suggested to them buy contractors, or so nebulous that the interpretation could leave you to design something a million different ways.

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    50. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Governments create plenty of wealth. Particularly by buying things that otherwise have no utility, or building things that no non-goverment entity is capable of building. And by being a source and sink of corruption. Government is a human activity and just as wealth-building as any other service or manufacturing industry.

    51. Re:Connection Error by blair1q · · Score: 1

      and am in no way, shape, or form, government.

      Lost your right to vote, huh?

      If you still have your right and your ability to vote, you are, indeed, the government of the United States of America. Plus all smaller jurisdictions enclosing your home.

      However, I did mention semantics, and your interpretation of my statement is backwards. I didn't say "all people are government", I said "government is all people". It happens to be true both ways, in this country, sort of (as I said there are some who are legally disenfranchised), but you got it the other way around anyway.

      QED

    52. Re:Connection Error by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      If you still have your right and your ability to vote, you are, indeed, the government of the United States of America.

      Now you're going to argue that everyone in the U.S. (minus minors, aliens, and convicted felons) are the government. Twist words much?

      Look above, and reread your own words, you didn't even get your own quote correct. For the record, here it is:

      Government is people.

      . But that wasn't what I replied to if you would READ.

      Yes, you did mention semantics...

      Only the litigious semanticians among us could separate them.

      . Which is patently false.

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  2. fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    well, fuck.

  3. Remember, face forward as the Kinect scans by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Thank you for complying, citizen.

    Remember, we all love the Computer and those who do not will be removed to a secure detention facility for their safety.

    Today is red jello day - all workers must eat all of their red jello. Failure to comply will result in five demerits.

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  4. Requires TPM by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Without TPM this idea is a joke. I think you can see where this is going.

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    1. Re:Requires TPM by mcmonkey · · Score: 0

      Without TPM this idea is a joke. I think you can see where this is going.

      It's Jar Jar, isn't it?

      OMFG, it's Jar Jar!

    2. Re:Requires TPM by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      In the sense that stupid politicians are being used as pawns by the Dark Side, yes.

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    3. Re:Requires TPM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To which I'll add, I thought that we had put an end to the Clipper Chip debate. It seems that like, Freddie Krueger, the desire of the Government to spy on its' citizens (You've done nothing wrong, what do you have to hide), is never ending. Of course, this time it's being spun as for our own "privacy", and "online protection". The Orwellian spin of that is mind boggling.

      Expanding further on your idea, I expect that the next step will be to have your ID written to the TPM chip, so if your laptop is stolen, the thief can't use it, or at least that'll be the spin. Add to it HIPPA, and other government mandated records requirements, and writing your ID into the TPM will "make sense" and "provide security".

      The last step will be computers with TPM that you have to supply your ID to. Of course, it's "voluntary", but you won't be able to connect to "unapproved websites'. I'll also note that this is tailor made for a Great Firewall, where you will only be allowed thru if you use your TPM enabled computer, with your embedded ID. It's voluntary, because you don't need to go thru the Great Firewall (Analogy to flying and TSA pat downs. You don't need to fly, per the Surpreme Court).

    4. Re:Requires TPM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They use each other; they're ALL on the Dark Side.

    5. Re:Requires TPM by scourfish · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that a national internet ID system would be a joke even if it included some sort of tire pressure monitoring

    6. Re:Requires TPM by WiseWeasel · · Score: 1

      Voting from your iPhone?

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    7. Re:Requires TPM by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      More like Ackbar than Jar Jar, I'm afraid.

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  5. Wrong Day by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2

    Federal Tax filing date is April 18th this year, not the 15th.

    1. Re:Wrong Day by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2

      April 15th is Emancipation Day in Washington. Ironic.

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    2. Re:Wrong Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is odd, because I thought typically it was the 15th (unless the 15th fell on a weekend). But I guess Friday April 15th is Emancipation Day observed (WTF...how many freaking holidays do these people get off). In some states (or at least Michigan), state taxes are still due on April 15.

    3. Re:Wrong Day by majestic_twelve · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Emancipation from all that is right and embracing all the corrupt practices that defines our day to day existence.

    4. Re:Wrong Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emancipation Day is April 16, but is observed on the 15th when it falls on a Saturday (http://www.dchr.dc.gov/dcop/cwp/view,a,1220,q,644584.asp).

      In other words, Tax Day, traditionally April 15th, has been postponed to the 18th due to the holiday on the 16th being observed on the 15th.

  6. this is very scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    that is absolutely terrifying. why aren't citizens revolting over this? i'm canadian and with the prospects of another conservative government looming (god forbid) our douchebag of a prime minister steven harper would most likely adopt a similar program here, as he loves to lick the balls of the US at any opporunity. so please, strong citizens of the Unites States - STOP THIS.

    1. Re:this is very scary by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because CNN and Fox news wont report it...

      And thats because their parent companies want it.

    2. Re:this is very scary by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Fox will report it, they'll talk about how great it is and how everybody should love it because it makes the internet so much better, etc...

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    3. Re:this is very scary by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Funny

      why aren't citizens revolting over this?

      Because our government is revolting enough?

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  7. Nobody asked for this by 2bfree · · Score: 2

    Nobody asked for, or needs this expect maybe the government wanting track citizens and content companies wanting to track "pirates."

    1. Re:Nobody asked for this by Toe,+The · · Score: 2

      Government and corporations... that's everyone who matters, isn't it?

    2. Re:Nobody asked for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not true that NOBODY wants this.

      Banks and major credit cards want this. Fraud has gotten so bad that they are begging for some system to combat it, and are willing to accept any kind of ridiculous suggestion as a solution, sight unseen.

      A private company, or several companies competing to offering a similar service for a dollar (or 5) a year could make this work.

      The government? No chance it will work.
      Every chance it will become mandatory.

    3. Re:Nobody asked for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is about sales tax. Now that they know where you live, they can tax you appropriately.

    4. Re:Nobody asked for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Our current identity infrastructure is based on your SSN and mother's maiden name. It's a terrible system. It would be awfully nice to have something grounded in cryptography based on a web of trust model.

    5. Re:Nobody asked for this by Rysc · · Score: 2

      Even as an ardent socialist I cannot help but agree. This is the kind of government we don't need. If the federal government wants to propose a standard protocol for identity and authentication, that I would support. Proposing that any one entity, especially the government, be in control of this is insane. Microsoft Passport, anyone? The problem there wasn't the idea, it was one entity in control.

      --
      I want my Cowboyneal
    6. Re:Nobody asked for this by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      What, one time use credit card numbers are impossible to make? Banks don't want a solution. Banks want a solution FOR FREE*.

      *As in, taxpayers line their pockets yet again.

  8. Waste waste waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not from the US so I gotta ask, why are they wasting money on crap like this?

    Seriously?? What is the point?

    I guess you can fund any shitty project with taxpayer money, let it go too far and then not give a crap if it works or not.

    1. Re:Waste waste waste! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read about it before you ask questions like that:

      http://www.nist.gov/nstic/faqs.html

      Its nor really a government project.

  9. Don't worry by spoilsportmotors · · Score: 1

    It'll be For The Children. Or to help Thwart Terrorism. But really, it's just to help pay off the MPAA & RIAA, and make the jobs of the vast legions of winged lawyers that much easier.

    1. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the internet is mostly for porn.

    2. Re:Don't worry by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      A large portion of politicians have legal backgrounds. Coincidence?

    3. Re:Don't worry by majestic_twelve · · Score: 1

      Obama being a constitutional lawyer has only lead to his administration performing the most heinous, yet "legal", violations of the spirit of the same document.

    4. Re:Don't worry by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      and make the jobs of the vast legions of winged lawyers that much easier.

      You mean angels? Oh wait ...

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    5. Re:Don't worry by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      conflict of interest is more like it

    6. Re:Don't worry by blackraven14250 · · Score: 0

      Bush was far worse when it came to abuses of the spirit of the constitution.

  10. *Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am honestly afraid that this is basically going to turn into an internet driver's license. Imagine if you were required to get government approval in order to read a book? This violates all kinds of freedom of speech provisions. I'll wait to see the details before I make a final judgement, but I much prefer being able to remain effectively anonymous online.

    1. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only to read a book, but to publish anything.

      It absolutely would violate the freedom of speech because If i want to speak on the internet, it will now require a license?

      Get the fuck out of here. If this kind of shit happens, people should rise up and burn the government down and kill everyone of these traitors and start over.

    2. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by blair1q · · Score: 2

      If i want to speak on the internet, it will now require a license?

      I was asked to forward this:

      Hi. This is the /. TOS speaking. Have you read me lately? I'm your license to speak on the Internet. At least through /.

      If you want to speak on the internet unencumbered by a TOS, start your own forum.

      Hope this helps.

    3. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am honestly afraid that this is basically going to turn into an internet driver's license. Imagine if you were required to get government approval in order to read a book? This violates all kinds of freedom of speech provisions. I'll wait to see the details before I make a final judgement, but I much prefer being able to remain effectively anonymous online.

      Not sure if you have heard, but in the US there is a judicial branch of the government that has a long history of successfully enforcing the first amendment. Wild speculation about theoretical actions that will be invalidated by the courts are not useful.

    4. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, individual sites have every right to enforce TOS on their individual site. If I don't like it, I can go make my own blog somewhere and say whatever the hell I want. Imagine for a moment if a browser's license was required.

      "Hello, this is the Internet Police, you have gotten too many anti-social points on your internet license. It is hereby suspended for the next 6 months."

    5. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Imagine an internet where everyone had to sign in as their real name, and trolling became obsolete. Teabaggers could easily be identified, fired from their jobs, and publically ostracized for their disgusting racism. Every American who expressed negative feelings about the President would be suspected of racism. This would be noted on each citizen's permanent record and easily viewable by anyone who cared to search. How would this be a bad thing, exactly? Freedom of speech is one thing, but freedom of speech doesn't cover hate speech.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    6. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you have heard, but in the US there is a judicial branch of the government that has a long history of successfully enforcing the first amendment. Wild speculation about theoretical actions that will be invalidated by the courts are not useful.

      I'd rather nip this kind of thing in the bud at the legislative level than let it go into law and hope that a panel of 9 people shoots it down. Open debate is a cornerstone of a free society. I'm simply speaking up and voicing my opinion in hopes that this bad idea doesn't get implemented.

    7. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does. Freedom of speech protects the vilest, most disgusting speech you can imagine. How would this be a GOOD thing? Remember, one day the people you don't like will be in charge and YOU will be considered the "teabagger".... Of course you'll cry loudly when it's YOUR speech they're stifling.

    8. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      Freedom of speech is one thing, but freedom of speech doesn't cover hate speech.

      Unless the target is white males, or muslims. You're allowed to hate them.

    9. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoosh

    10. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by dev.null.matt · · Score: 1

      Every American who expressed negative feelings about the President would be suspected of racism.

      Would I be a racist if I were to criticize (that is usually considered expressing negative feelings about something) the president's economic policy? Would that really make me a racist? How about if I criticized his healthcare reform? His choice of pet? Where would YOU draw the line? Where do you think the American government would?

      I was waiting for the punchline reading your post, and then I realized you were serious. Then I got more than a little scared.

    11. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      I hope to all that is holy and right that you're being sarcastic with this....

    12. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      Sarcasm is sometimes difficult to detect over the internet apparently...

    13. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already reveal identities online to companies when applying for jobs online, ordering crap from amazon, checking bank accounts, etc. if the proposal is an extra layer of protection to verify it is really you when accessing your bank or job records or using a credit card online, then I don't really see a downside -- it's doing what we already do with an extra bit of fraud detection.

      Now if the proposal is made mandatory to use the entirety of the internet or sign up for an ISP, and not just a choice when using sites that need high security like a bank account, then I would not be happy about that.

      From the NIST website in TFA though, it sounds more like the former than the latter. An extra layer to keep sites secure, but the whole internet is not required to use/accept it so you can still sign up for slashdot anonymously, but when you do the things you already do with money/orders/etc, safer or at least more of a defense to the insurance company if someone hijacks your bank account.

      I don't really see a downside to this, as I currently understand it, but if anyone knows some extra things to truly worry about it, please let me know!

    14. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      violates all kinds of freedom of speech provisions

      If a right plainly stated in the 2nd Amendment requires government approval to be exercised (which is often withheld entirely even for arms as primitive as batons), clearly the internet has no legal protection from any sort of government access restrictions.

    15. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      I like to think of the 2nd amendment as backup for the first.

    16. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      Every American who expressed negative feelings about the President would be suspected of racism. [...] How would this be a bad thing, exactly?

      Criticizing the president immediately labels you a racist? That's not a bad thing?
      I think you answered your own question there, really.

    17. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      THIS IS BAD
      to be able to says the worst thing anonymously brings out the truth
      how a useful service like cryptome or wikileaks could operate in your secnario

      --
      Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
    18. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, each of those statements has been put forth as serious assertions by people of influence. Sarcasm only works if it is somehow distinguishable from earnest statements.

    19. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure if you've heard, but for the last ten years, Commanders-in-Chief from both of the major political parties have been busy stacking that judicial branch with their poster boys/girls (Roberts, Thomas, and Alito courtesy of GWB, and Sotomayer and Kagan courtesy of Obama) while doing everything they can to gut and/or reinterpret the Constitution . I'm not holding out a whole lot of hope that the courts are going to do a whole lot to help out...if you even manage to get to the courts before being dragged off to Gitmo for providing "material aid or support" to "terrorist organizations".

      And this is just the @#$!!! we have heard about. Somehow I suspect, no matter how bad you think it is...it's actually much, much worse.

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    20. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of speech is one thing, but freedom of speech doesn't cover hate speech.

      Yes it does. You do not have the right to not be offended. Get over it.

    21. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am honestly afraid that this is basically going to turn into an internet driver's license. Imagine if you were required to get government approval in order to read a book?

      You need a driver's license to read a book??

    22. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you omitted the tag hoping people would catch it implicitly, or if you really believe what you are saying. I'm hoping it's the former, but just in case it isn't...

      Firing people from their jobs because you don't like their political positions is the very definition of tyranny.

      Just because you don't like Obama doesn't mean you are racist. I think Obama and GWB are quite possibly tied as the worst presidents in the history of this country (I never thought I would long for the "good old days" when Clinton was president, but...well...I do), but that's because of politics, not race. It is, at best, disingenuous -- actually, I'd say racist, absent some kind of proof -- to claim that I dislike Obama because of his race, but disliked GWB because of his political decisions.

      Finally, I don't recall any provision anywhere in the Constitution or any of its amendments that says we have the freedoms outlined in the Bill of Rights, except where they are hateful. While I certainly wish that people could exercise judgment and self-control such that there were no longer any kind of hate speech (i.e., all of our discourses were logical, rational and devoid of emotional outbursts), I also wish that we exercised judgment and self-control so that there was no need for any kind of law at all. But that isn't likely to happen, and as a result, we get a choice: we get to freely express ourselves, in which case we get both the good and the bad, or we just get rid of the pretense of allowing free speech and instead become a nation of yes-men. Personally, I'd rather take the first option because that seems to be a much lesser evil. The real test of free speech is how we react to speech that we find offensive. If that's true, you don't really believe in free speech at all -- you believe in the right to not be offended. I, on the other hand, place much, much more value on finding the truth which is absolutely dependent upon being allowed to discuss our differing views, even if we offend people in that search for truth.

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    23. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      In this case, it was a little vague. I had an inkling you were being sarcastic (see my previous post), but I wasn't at all sure. I assume everyone else who replied like I did was equally on the fence.

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    24. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Now... imagine an internet where every American has to sign in with their real ID and only Americans could use American Internet resources.

      Talk about increasing the us/them divide.

      Of course, the US would force its trading partners (Australia would comply in a jiffy) to implement a compatible scheme, with the US having the right to examine the details whenever they wanted to. So now it's North America, Australia/NZ, Japan and Europe who are roped into "voluntary compliance". I'm sure there'd be a modified extradition treaty associated with this agreement too.

    25. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of speech is still in force. You can yell to your heart content but there is no corresponding right to read or listen. Your government doesn't want to to limit your speech they just want to be the gatekeepers and toll collectors for everyone that might want to listen. You are still free post pictures of an underage goatse but if you look at it you go to jail.

  11. Welcome by xMrFishx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to City 17. You have chosen or been chosen to relocate to one of our finest remaining urban centres...

    1. Re:Welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is "insightful"? A reference to a bad movie?

      FFS, you people are as brainless as neocons sucking Rush Limbaugh's cock.

    2. Re:Welcome by Nyder · · Score: 1

      This is "insightful"? A reference to a bad movie?

      FFS, you people are as brainless as neocons sucking Rush Limbaugh's cock.

      Guess if you weren't a troll you'd know it wasn't from a movie, but from a video game. Halflife 2.

      --
      Be seeing you...
  12. Oh the irony by Hultis · · Score: 0

    A few hours ago we got news about Safari implementing the Do Not Track option, and now we get a this, enforcing tracking for all US citizens.

    1. Re:Oh the irony by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      A few hours ago we got news about Safari implementing the Do Not Track option, and now we get a this, enforcing tracking for all US citizens.

      So, you go online with Safari and then what happens? The world implodes into a singularity? Could be fun to watch (from a safe distance, of course).

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
  13. Drop? by gfreeman · · Score: 1

    Drop? As in get rid of, lose, no longer keep?

    Is this another US/Everyone else language fail, like "Let's table this idea"?

    --
    Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    1. Re:Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Drop, as in "on your head like a large rock".

      Head trauma is funny.

    2. Re:Drop? by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

      This is someone looking entirely uncool by trying to look cool.

      It's drop, as in a Hip Hop artist referring to an album release date as when it's going to drop.

      Unfortunately, it only works in the context of a Hip Hop artist releasing an album. In any other context, it reads as, "I'm only this white because the sun doesn't reach my mom's basement."

    3. Re:Drop? by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      It's drop, as in a Hip Hop artist referring to an album release date as when it's going to drop.

      Thank you. I can now look cool if I ever become a Hip Hop artist and decide to release^H^H^H^H^H^H^H drop an album.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas un sig.
    4. Re:Drop? by biek · · Score: 2

      It's slang, much like your awful use of "fail."

    5. Re:Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with the other explanations for this use of 'drop'. Consider 'Drop me a line' or 'drop by anytime'. The word 'drop' has been used to infer an arrival event or the passing of information or objects (usually unofficially) for far longer than any Hip Hop artist has been alive. Other modern phrases that I believe trace the evolutionary history of it's usage include:
      "who's going to drop that bomb?" (I believe this is the usage to which Hip Hop artists allude)
      "Officer Smith got the drop on the perp."
      "Let's meet at the drop-point."
      "She was dropping hints left and right"

      Also, consider the word 'eavesdrop'.

      In the context of this headline/story, using the word 'drop' implies that SOME details will be given but not ALL, as the word drop still implies a bit of imprecision or lack of completeness as in 'dropping bread crumbs'.

    6. Re:Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's drop, as in a Hip Hop artist referring to an album release date as when it's going to drop.

      Kind of fitting, as in "when is this dingleberry gonna drop so I can wipe?"

    7. Re:Drop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I can now look cool if I ever become a Hip Hop artist and decide to release^H^H^H^H^H^H^H drop an album.

      I'm afraid looking cool is now impossible for you my friend.

  14. Now only criminals will be able to post anonymous by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    With this system in place, they will know the identity of everyone who posts online, except of course those who have hacked the system so as to appear as someone else. Once this system is in place it will be much easier for the government to gain convictions when crimes are commited. Of course, we will never know how many of the people convicted are the actual criminals, rather than just a victim of a hacker who chose their identity at random.

    --
    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  15. I for one by blair1q · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our new, positively identified overlords.

  16. Privacy and positive ID are incompatible by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 2

    "NSTIC is a key building block in the national effort to secure cyberspace. According to industry surveys, as many as 8 million Americans are victims of online fraud and identity theft each year and lose an average of $631 out-of-pocket per incident. Through a private sector-led effort facilitated by the government, NSTIC aims to make online transactions more trustworthy and enhance consumers’ privacy, thereby giving businesses and consumers more confidence to conduct business online."

    The government wishes to enhance consumers' privacy by attaching a unique identifier to each and every online transaction? What an excellent example of doublespeak.

    --
    "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
    1. Re:Privacy and positive ID are incompatible by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      It doesn't actually say anything about a unique identifier in the except you quoted.

      But wouldn't it be nice to have something like a universally-recognized SSL client certificate, linked to a smart card that only you possess and know the PIN to unlock.

      Let's face it, if the government wants to track you, they can already track you by your charge card transactions, or they can ask your ISP to hand over what they have. If this is private-sector led, it's a finance/credit industry thing, and they all share more data on you than the government could ever want to have. So my data is already out there... whatever.. give me an ID no one else can use, and I'll be happy.

    2. Re:Privacy and positive ID are incompatible by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 1

      It doesn't actually say anything about a unique identifier in the except you quoted.

      "In the excerpt you quoted" being the key words in your statement. The unique identifier in question here is that which establishes a "trusted identity" allowing the other party to a transaction to know they are talking to me and nobody else.

      --
      "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
    3. Re:Privacy and positive ID are incompatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind privacy and anonymity are 2 different things.
      -If you use Tor for browsing the Internet (without trusted SSL connection, that is), you have anonymity but not privacy.
      -If you live in a small town where everyone knows each other, you have privacy but not anonymity.
      -If you live in the woods, somewhere really far away from any human settlements with no human contact (including Internet, water and electricity providers), you have both anonymity and privacy.
      -If you live in USA, UK, France, Germany, China, North Korea or anywhere where similar attitude towards personal freedoms is applied, you have neither privacy nor anonymity.

      Captcha: dented. How ironic.

  17. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Of course, we will never know how many of the people convicted are the actual criminals, rather than just a victim of a hacker who chose their identity at random.

    If it's possible to hack an identity, and it's possible to show that it's possible to hack an identity, then the system is mooted and the conviction based on the system is invalid.

  18. The internet Tax is here. by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2

    You are about to be tagged and taxed. America owns you.

    1. Re:The internet Tax is here. by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      Screw this, I'm moving to Canada.

    2. Re:The internet Tax is here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if I refuse to "join" this "internet".

      56k forever. It'll have the wonderful side effect of ridding us of bandwidth-hog sites with too many ads.

      Back to basics, back to freedom.

    3. Re:The internet Tax is here. by majestic_twelve · · Score: 1

      You think they're really any better?! I'm moving to the fucking Amazon jungle.

    4. Re:The internet Tax is here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kill the motherfuckers

    5. Re:The internet Tax is here. by Amouth · · Score: 1

      you know...

      --
      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    6. Re:The internet Tax is here. by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      were are gonna elect bush.clone()
      try new Zealand

      --
      Jehovah be praised, Oracle was not selected
  19. Put away your tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't mind the whole "OMG they know who I am!!!" part, I mind the fact that they are going to waste millions of dollars implementing something that won't work.

    They can already figure out who is posting what. The Gov't already has easy access to my IP address along with my CC. They already siphon off everything that goes through the internet, anonymity is no longer exists. You must not assume that anything you say on the internet is "anonymous". Patriot act made sure of that.

    So, with that being said, can this be used for good? Is there any redeeming factor here? I can't see how this is more useful than my social security number. Some company will ask for my ID, I give it to them, and then some hacker steals it. All the sudden, it is just as useless as my SSN

    Is there any way this can actually be used for good?
    (posted as AC because I'm too lazy to log in)

  20. That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the NIST NSTIC link in TFA:

    # Private: This new "identity ecosystem" protects your privacy. Credentials share only the amount of personal information necessary for the transaction. You control what personal information is released, and can ensure that your data is not centralized among service providers.
    # Voluntary: The identity ecosystem is voluntary. You will still be able to surf the Web, write a blog, participate in an online discussion, and post comments to a wiki anonymously or using a pseudonym. You would choose when to use your trusted ID. When you want stronger identity protection, you use your credential, enabling higher levels of trust and security.

    1. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Voluntary for now maybe....

    2. Re:That's Not How It Works by majestic_twelve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It will be voluntary until businesses only accept transactions associated with this ID and, like EULA's which are also completely voluntary, people will simply "agree" and go along with it so they can watch their porn, buy their Amazon merchandise, or whatever have you.

    3. Re:That's Not How It Works by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Gee, that all sounds so believable..

      ...You control what personal information is released...

      Sure you do.. And I gotta a stable full of unicorns crapping five tons of gold dust every day. I can't just dump the stuff into the river, you know..

      --
      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    4. Re:That's Not How It Works by penguinman1337 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, right. According to Uncle Sam, SSNs are also voluntary. And while it may be voluntary according to the government, what's to prevent ISPs from requiring it for internet access?

      And how is this private? Sure, it might just share enough info to complete a transaction on any specific site, but what's to prevent the administrator of the program (in this case the highly trustworthy US government) from using it to track citizens who happen to be doing things they don't approve of? For example, making a donation to a group that has contrary views to said government (for example, if I decided to donate to the American Communist Party.)

    5. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So was social security at one point...

    6. Re:That's Not How It Works by Toe,+The · · Score: 1

      # Private: This new "identity ecosystem" protects your privacy. Credentials share only the amount of personal information necessary for the transaction. You control what personal information is released, and can ensure that your data is not centralized among service providers.

      Hm. I don't see any mention of how you can control access by law enforcement. But if you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to be afraid of... right?

      # Voluntary: The identity ecosystem is voluntary. You will still be able to surf the Web, write a blog, participate in an online discussion, and post comments to a wiki anonymously or using a pseudonym. You would choose when to use your trusted ID. When you want stronger identity protection, you use your credential, enabling higher levels of trust and security.

      Social Security Numbers are entirely voluntary. Heh heh.
      Try getting a job, getting health insurance, or opening a bank account without one. But you don't really have to do any of those things, right?

    7. Re:That's Not How It Works by Ben4jammin · · Score: 1
      This new "identity ecosystem" protects your privacy...tee hee
      Credentials share only the amount of personal information necessary for the transaction...hahaha
      You control what personal information is released...lolololol
      and can ensure that your data is not centralized among service providers...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      The identity ecosystem is voluntary (FOR NOW)...lolhahalolhahalol!!1!

      From the article:

      People and institutions could have more trust online because all participating service providers will have agreed to consistent standards for identification, authentication, security, and privacy.

      I think I just passed out. I mean seriously, when does this stuff ever stop where it is supposed to? How long will it be before there are websites (govt, banking) that will REQUIRE this for you to participate...all for your "protection" I'm sure. I guess I am just getting jaded in my old age.

    8. Re:That's Not How It Works by majestic_twelve · · Score: 1

      I just read your article quote as "the same half-assed security will be used everywhere therefore once it's cracked we're all fucked!"

    9. Re:That's Not How It Works by penguinman1337 · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when we let governments start protecting us from ourselves. The point of the government is to keep me safe from the barbarians kicking in the castle walls, or from Bob down the street who wants my stereo system. As long as another person's rights aren't being violated, the government should stay out of my business.

    10. Re:That's Not How It Works by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I guess I am just getting jaded in my old age.

      But you're happy. That's all that matters....

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    11. Re:That's Not How It Works by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I really hate to defend the government against you but What is the difference between bob down the street stealing your stereo, and marie across the street stealing your bank account?

      One is easier to protect againist than the other. the second one only requires one to fake certain information that is forced by companies to be given out regularlly.

      for the record national ID system will fail again. I will cheer loudly.

      --
      i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
    12. Re:That's Not How It Works by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      And how long will it take every website on the net to require the highest level of security to allow you access? 6 months? a year? Are you really so naive to think that and ID that is this easy to obtain, with a value that's almost incalculable when it comes to tracking isn't going to become a universal requirement as soon as it's available?

    13. Re:That's Not How It Works by penguinman1337 · · Score: 2

      And if Marie steals my bank account info, she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Same with Bob. That doesn't mean I should be required to go register my stereo and tag it with a lojack style system, that incidentally reports on what my stereo happens to be playing, just so it makes the job of the police easier.

    14. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you will now get a popup window with the following message when donating to political parties:
      "You are about to donate money to the American Communist Party! Your American Democratic and Republican Parties would like to help you waste your money much more efficiently by donating to one of them. Happy donating."

    15. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 0

      Since when have legitimate businesses allowed transactions with anonymous people? If you want my stuff, you have to pay for it, and I have to know to whom to send the stuff, and the banking system has to know whose account to debit before it can credit mine. Illegitimate businesses will continue not to require ID.

      Your objection is nonsensical.

      BTW, you're in agreement with a TOS you've probably never read by posting on /.

    16. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Why would the people who own your private information hand it out to just anyone without your permission? That would imply that you can go into the database and get just anyone's information without their permission. How does that work for you now? How would that be changed by centralizing it and putting it under the watch of people who can go to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for letting it be released in an unauthorized manner?

      Paranoia is no substitute for reason.

    17. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      The government has more than one legal definition of "voluntary". If you literally never want to work a taxable job and never want any SSA benefits, you never need an SSN. But if you want to do those things, you have to "volunteer" your information to get the SSN. They don't solicit you for it.

      Same deal with the entire tax system being "voluntary" not because you can choose not to pay, but because you are on your own recognizance to do the reporting of what you earned and spent, and for making up any shortfall at the time of your report. Albeit there are today many forms of evidence gathered by law from third parties with whom you conduct business that they rely on to audit your voluntary submission. They don't send you a bill and insist on payment. Not until you've somehow broken the law.

    18. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Since when have legitimate businesses allowed transactions with anonymous people?"

      What?

    19. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      In the case where you have done something wrong you have no right to avoid being investigated.

      And no, you don't have to have a job or health insurance or a bank account.

      If you want to remain outside the realm of society by pretending you don't exist whenever it suits you, society doesn't have to employ you, care for you, or let you free-ride on the good name of its fiat money.

      You're still free to bitch about it.

    20. Re:That's Not How It Works by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      From the NIST NSTIC link in TFA:

      # Voluntary: The identity ecosystem is voluntary. You will still be able to surf the Web, write a blog, participate in an online discussion, and post comments to a wiki anonymously or using a pseudonym. You would choose when to use your trusted ID. When you want stronger identity protection, you use your credential, enabling higher levels of trust and security.

      Yeah...I trust the government's statements about privacy and security just about as much as I trust anything Blogger Bob says: not at all.

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    21. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      How many of them require positive ID now?

      Only banking sites have anything like security processes, generally consisting of testing another bank account which you presumably opened in person, or recursively so. Any other type of site just checks that you have an email address you personally access, to ensure you're not a bot (that's too simple to receive email and click on a link in it).

      Why would "every" site suddenly start requiring an advanced form of identity checking?

      And why wouldn't some sites expressly advertise that they don't?

    22. Re:That's Not How It Works by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well it comes down to trust. You may trust the fact that people wont abuse the information, lest they go to federal pound me in the ass prison.

      Realize, this is little more than a matter of policy. If they suddenly decide that they need it? How about if accessing it is a "matter of national security"? A claim that doesn't even have to be justified to anyone if the right person claims it.

      How about we realize that FISA courts, the ones that were talked about in the old warrantless wiretapping scandal. They were instituted AFTER there were ABUSES. A fact that is lost in the whole "but its national security" smoke screen. The simple fact is, once information or access to information is there for someone, you have to trust them not just to not abuse it today, but into the future.

      What I trust, is that they will find excuses to make exceptions and will expand their reach through those exceptions until they can do anything they want. That is what I trust.

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    23. Re:That's Not How It Works by Amouth · · Score: 1

      Since when have legitimate businesses allowed transactions with anonymous people?

      well in meat space just about every place you use cash.

      --
      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    24. Re:That's Not How It Works by WorBlux · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lets' see.. ever since cash has been legal tender.

    25. Re:That's Not How It Works by WorBlux · · Score: 2

      You can also order, pay by money order, and send delivery to a drop address.

    26. Re:That's Not How It Works by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      The thought of the gov't simply filling ouy a form to login "as me" anywhere is chilling... imagine your email etc... if your email provider, online message boards etc. allowed for, or even required this... at least with open-id I choose the source for authentication.

      --
      Michael J. Ryan - tracker1.info
    27. Re:That's Not How It Works by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      That's not exactly true. If you have a kid, and you want to count them as a deduction, they have to have a SSN. At that point, the kid in question has no say in things. May not even be able to say things, yet. So, if this kid grows up and wants to opt out, it's too late.

      --
      Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
    28. Re:That's Not How It Works by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Buddy, you should hear yourself.. You're in some kind of dreamland where everybody has group hugs during lunch hour. Too bizarre..

      --
      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    29. Re:That's Not How It Works by pla · · Score: 2

      Since when have legitimate businesses allowed transactions with anonymous people?

      Very very few businesses care about your actual identity. They care that you provide a valid delivery address and a valid credit card.

      The former, for small things, can consist of a PO box; For larger things, you can just pick them up in person from FedEx/UPS. For the latter, prepaid - and effectively anonymous - Visa gift cards have (at least for me) revolutionized the number of semi-sketchy places with which I'll willingly do business (since I can cap my worst-case losses at $50-$100 simply by only having that much on the card).

      So yes, you can indeed participate mostly-anonymously in the eMarketplace.

    30. Re:That's Not How It Works by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      I don't give my name out when I pay cash, which is everywhere. In fact, that's a fucking anonymous transaction by any standard.

    31. Re:That's Not How It Works by Creepy · · Score: 1

      yeah, and who exactly is the CA (that's certificate authority) in this case? The government? LOL like I'm going to trust my own government to keep my info secret. <sarcasm> I've seen how they do that and I trust them implicitly</sarcasm>.

      Any government organization that tracks library book checkouts (cough, FBI, cough) is not going to get any personal info from me.

    32. Re:That's Not How It Works by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since when have legitimate businesses allowed transactions with anonymous people? If you want my stuff, you have to pay for it, and I have to know to whom to send the stuff, and the banking system has to know whose account to debit before it can credit mine. Illegitimate businesses will continue not to require ID.

      Your objection is nonsensical.

      This is a bit of a straw man; I have no problem with a legitimate business knowing who I am... I get a little nervous when the government gets to know about every *potential* business transaction I make, however -- which is what this system would do.

      See: this ID is virtually identical to the loyalty rewards cards that many businesses use nowadays; they're completely voluntary, but you don't get full access/all the deals/etc. without them, so everyone uses them.

      Except in this case, instead of one company having a loyalty card and selling the data to marketing firms, you have the government having the loyalty card, and *all* online businesses using it. It's actually scarily similar to what's happening with FaceBook IDs (I've stumbled across a disturbingly large number of businesses recently that require you to hand over your facebook ID to access some of their site content).

    33. Re:That's Not How It Works by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      > Why would "every" site suddenly start requiring an advanced form of identity checking?

      Because their lawyers told them it was an industry best-practice, and they'd be unreasonably exposed to risk from lawsuits if they didn't comply. With similar logic percolating down the chain, until anyone with a $9.95/month hosting account has to demand the same ID because the hosting companies TOS (dictated by the same band of lawyers) requires it.

    34. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the latter, prepaid - and effectively anonymous - Visa gift cards have (at least for me) revolutionized the number of semi-sketchy places with which I'll willingly do business (since I can cap my worst-case losses at $50-$100 simply by only having that much on the card).

      May I ask where/how you get them? I have looked into Visa gift cards as a way to make anonymous purchases on the internet and have not found a way to buy them without being asked for a name, address, and/or SSN.

    35. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Ever heard the term "untraceable cash"?

      There's a reason there's a distinction.

      And if you're using cash, you're not sending it over the internet. You're walking into the store, where they can take your picture, collect your fingerprints and DNA, yadda yadda yadda.

    36. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      The people you bought the money order from can identify you. The people you rent the dropbox from can identify you. You aren't anonymous. They may not be bothering to record who you are, but they can find you if they want you.

    37. Re:That's Not How It Works by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what side you're arguing on any more. As you've clearly demonstrated, the whole "voluntary" thing is bullshit. SSN has already become a de-facto national ID.

    38. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Very very few businesses care about your actual identity. They care that you provide a valid delivery address and a valid credit card.

      I.e., that you identify yourself as a valid customer. They may not phrase it as "we want your identity," but they get it. That won't change on the net. They'll want you to validate that it's your address and your credit card, just as in the physical world.

      As for your workarounds: you can't get a PO Box without ID. FedEx knows who you are, even if there's no signature involved.

      Visa gift cards are virtual cash, but to get one someone has to either show up at a store that sells them, or order them over the net, and that means using a real credit card or other form of identifying payment.

      No different from having someone else use their certified identity to do your shopping online in this system.

    39. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Hi. This is Cam-bot, your friendly neighborhood grocery store security camera. I've just run facial recognition scanning software on your face and matched it to another camera at Song Lee's House of Happy Endings. Would you like me to tweet this for you?

    40. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 2

      I've run into exactly zero entities that require a facebook ID to do anything. You're hanging out in the wrong part of town.

      I don't see how this is like loyalty rewards cards at all. This isn't a scam designed to steal money from you for wanting not to participate in a spamming system. This is a means of allowing you to provide your identity to those entities that have a reason to confirm your identity.

      I don't understand why people get nervous about imaginary Big Brotherism that isn't going to happen in a democracy, when the real problem is very real plutocratic subversion of democracy that forces government to have no power to regulate the sort of corporations that control your food supply and insist on your accepting their spamming system or paying an extra 40% for a can of Spam.

      A little more Big Brother would go a long way towards decoupling the economy from things like the Flash Crash and the Housing Bubble and the Credit-Default Swap collapse.

      The trick is to use your democratic power to enable the good things and prevent the bad things about the Big Brotherism. But you'd rather use it not to have the good things because you're just paranoid about any government.

    41. Re:That's Not How It Works by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      May I ask where/how you get them? I have looked into Visa gift cards as a way to make anonymous purchases on the internet and have not found a way to buy them without being asked for a name, address, and/or SSN.

      A lot of them want that stuff, but not all of them. Look in stores like CVS and Walgreens, especially in areas with large 1st generation immigrant populations. Then read the fine print on the cards to see which ones let you "activate" the card without giving up that info. If you google around, you can find some forums where this stuff gets discussed and newly 'discovered' anonymous and semi-anonymous gift cards are frequently reviewed.

      Here's one I remember off the top of my head:
      Historical discussions going back years: http://www.canaryislandspress.com/index.cfm/fa/questions (very kludgey to dig through)
      Brand spankin new forum area: http://www.canaryislandspress.com/forum/

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    42. Re:That's Not How It Works by pla · · Score: 1

      May I ask where/how you get them? I have looked into Visa gift cards as a way to make anonymous purchases on the internet and have not found a way to buy them without being asked for a name, address, and/or SSN.

      The local grocery store - Any of them. They actually insist you buy them with cash (or check, maybe, though I don't use checks for anything), and I have yet to have anyone ask me for ID unless, Zeus forbid, I (with my graying hair) try to buy a six-pack at the same time.

    43. Re:That's Not How It Works by pla · · Score: 1

      FedEx knows who you are, even if there's no signature involved.

      How, exactly, do they magically know my identity?

      They require proof that I represent the intended recipient. A printout of the invoice showing the tracking number will suffice for that - And if the clerk gives you shit, just say "fine, send it back" and watch them squirm as they try to reconcile somehow taking your word (as the obvious proper recipient) to return the item to the sender, but not actually giving it to you.

      As for a PO box - Yes, you need to show ID to get one. That doesn't magically transfer from me entering "John Q. Recipient, PO Box 427, Anytown USA 12345" on your webpage into you knowing anything about me beyond that. Hell, the post office already knows where I really live. It doesn't make a whole lot of difference if they know that I happen to own PO Box 427 (and they also don't care what name it has on it, just the box number).

      Visa gift cards are virtual cash, but to get one someone has to either show up at a store that sells them, or order them over the net, and that means using a real credit card or other form of identifying payment.

      See my other followup in this thread - They won't let you buy those with plastic - Cash or cash-equivalent only. And ID? I can see you've never actually bought one, because they just don't give two shakes of a rat's ass about the buyer. Now, you can fairly say that yes, they probably have me on camera checking out at the same time as the purchase. Whoop-de-frickin'-doo, unless I somehow use that gift card to commit murder, no one will ever look at that tape in the 14 days before they erase it.

    44. Re:That's Not How It Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's to prevent the administrator of the program (in this case the highly trustworthy US government) from using it to track citizens who happen to be doing things they don't approve of

      Well, it'd be mighty handy for vital federal law enforcement initiatives, like stopping traffic in counterfit handbags. For those times when randomly seizing people's domain names without due process just doesn't get the job done.

      (for example, if I decided to donate to the American Communist Party.)

      More likely the Libertarian Party. But I digress.

    45. Re:That's Not How It Works by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand... first of all, I don't live in the US. I live in a country that already has more big brotherism. Second, you don't live in a democracy; you live in a democratic republic. How's that been going? I seem to recall you have the lowest voter turnout and lowest voter confidence of any first world nation.

      I'm not afraid of some imaginary big brotherism; I'm speaking from experience in the industry. The biggest thing that prevents big brotherism is the fact that government is inefficient -- which does give the advantage to private corporations, who strive for efficiency.

      A little more Big Brother would go a long way towards decoupling the economy from things like the Flash Crash and the Housing Bubble and the Credit-Default Swap collapse.

      The trick is to use your democratic power to enable the good things and prevent the bad things about the Big Brotherism. But you'd rather use it not to have the good things because you're just paranoid about any government.

      The problem here is that the people who wield the "democratic power" are those who benefitted from the Flash Crash, the Housing Bubble, and the Credit-Default Swap. If the US could mobilize its entire population to 1) raise the overall level of education and then 2) actually participate in governing the country, your arguments would be rock solid.

      Needless to say, I prefer socialist government to capitalist government -- but there need to be checks and balances on giving a group of individuals (even elected individuals with a limited term) absolute power over a nation.

    46. Re:That's Not How It Works by blair1q · · Score: 1

      You have your 2) and 1) backwards. Otherwise, fine.

    47. Re:That's Not How It Works by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      That however is after the fact of the business transaction. They don't connect a legal identify to you during or before the transaction, as such it is anonymous.

      You're moving the goalposts. Anonymity is not having your identity known, rather than your identity being indiscoverable.. For an identity not to be discoverable absolutely, would be not to have an identity at all.

  21. If you're going to tax the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it helps if you can track the users.

    "Just in time for tax day, Sens. Dick Durbin (D-IL) and Mike Enzi (R-WY) are expected to unveil a bill shortly that would permit - for the first time - states to collect taxes on Internet, catalog, and other sales when the seller is not based in the state. All told, the estimated $23 billion Internet tax hike would permit a small cartel of states to reach outside of their borders to force individuals and businesses who aren't even residents to collect taxes."

    Read more: http://www.atr.org/senators-unveil-massive-internet-tax-a6053#ixzz1JWvpRZEO

    1. Re:If you're going to tax the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the comments are more interesting than the article itself.

  22. Makes it more difficult for victims of fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So the idea is that this cyber ID can be used to positively identify you, to reduce fraud, right? So what happens when someone gets your cyber ID anyway and goes around impersonating you? Well, now there is extremely convincing evidence that it was you and not the fraudster. Nobody is going to believe someone else got your cyber ID. This is going to make it a lot harder for victims of fraud to get their name cleared.

    I had heard the same thing has happened to people who use those credit cards with the embedded RFID chip (or whatever tech they use). Everyone knows how easy it is to clone the magnetic strip, so those are considered vulnerable and if you dispute a transaction that was done that way, the bank will believe you. However, the chip is considered absolutely secure, so if someone made a transaction that appeared to come from the chip assigned to your card, there was no way to dispute it because there is "irrefutable" evidence that you made the transaction.

    1. Re:Makes it more difficult for victims of fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its a two part ID. A password (used only locally) to unlock a credential stored on your machine.

      Its conceptually much like PGP, or Kerberos with a variety of certificate issuers (not JUST the government, in fact its not clear that the government will be issuing credentials at all) .

      At this juncture, they are playing it like they are just in it to set the rules. Do I believe this? No!.

      See the faq: http://www.nist.gov/nstic/faqs.html

      But the point you raise is valid if someone gets ahold of your password AND your computer (or cell phone). With both, they can pretty much pretend to be you, and you are going to be hard pressed to deny it.

      Your cell phone is probably the weakest link here. The most easy to steal, and force you at knife point to tell them the password. Tie you up, and they have several hours to empty your account using your phone and your secure credentials and your password.

      Its far from perfect. But its better than a wallet full of credit cards that can be pick-pocketed and used at will.

      With online commerce, and NFC banking coming to phones, some more secure method is required than what we have today.

      Its not clear to me that a centralized clearing of certificates (even if done by many private companies) is a good idea in light of the various break ins and data thefts we have had lately. It would seem that one for each of your banks, a different one for your medical records, yet another for work accounts makes more sense than centralizing credential verification into one point of failure.

      The principal advantage in this scheme is on-device certificates that do not need to have passwords sent across the net. If done right, it can be a godsend.

      If done wrong, and the backend is shared with the government its a boon-doggle of the first magnitude, and bound to fail, and therefore will have to be made mandatory for any on-line purchases and banking in order for it to be widely adopted.

      Watch and see. At the first sign that that the public disbelieves this it will be made mandatory.

  23. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

    Just get a cheap VPS in another country and route everything through that.

    --
    Go green: turn off your refrigerator.
  24. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    It will be possible to hack an identity. Whether it will be possible to convince a jury that your identity was hacked is another matter altogether.
    There are other problems with this system as well. What happens when the system says that you are not you? Not that someone else is you, just that you are not you?

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    The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  25. i will call my ISP and cancel by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    and remove my PCs from internet connectivity before i subject myself to such a heavy handed draconian measure.

    goodbye internet, it was fun while it lasted, but the government is here to help which always takes the fun out of things.

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I have your stuff?

    2. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by Veggiesama · · Score: 2

      Don't call your ISP; your phone might be tapped.

      And don't write a letter, because--can you believe it?--the government owns the post office too!

      I wouldn't dare step outside. CIA spy satellites can track your movements to the nearest meter.

      Looks like you might just have to grin and bear it like the rest of us proles.

    3. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Your sig is quite appropriate to this thread. Unfortunately, my friend, you and I are the grass...

      --
      MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
    4. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      Good fucking riddance then. If you're the kind of idiot who jumps to those kind of conclusions, you're just as bad as the right-wingers who jumped to conclusions and got us in a pointless war/occupation/quagmire.

    5. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for that you're not going to do it. You may rage a bit and even vote third party for a time or two but before you know it you'll be back to sucking up whatever big brother hands you again. We've been around this block before and you guys never actually hold true.

    6. Re:i will call my ISP and cancel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because the left is doing oh so much to take things in a new direction. Just another lemming who likes to think he's being progressive.

  26. Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So let's all stop pretending this is a democracy, OK?

    Let's stop using that word altogether. No democratic republic, no representative democracy.

    Let's call it what it is: plutocracy with a nice sprinkle of totalitarianism.

    1. Re:Democracy by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're absolutely wrong. It is a Republic, a representational government. If you look at the US congress you see the US citizenry. Weak, corrupt, dishonest, self centered, exactly like the people they represent. Don't leave out ignorant and greedy either. I guess you could call it an idiocracy. I looked at the last presidential election with despair. Obama and Biden vs. McCain and Palin. It makes me sick to think about it even now. This is the best either party has to offer us. The best they have. Think on that. Then turn on the TV and watch all the mental drivel that passes for entertainment. People actually watch that stuff. It's depressing.

    2. Re:Democracy by Creepy · · Score: 1

      As if that isn't obvious - the Pledge of Allegiance says, to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands...

      Then the technical part - the meaning of Republic and Democracy are actually quite ambiguous. Republic essentially means that there is no monarch (or dictator) in charge and to some degree the people rule. A Democracy in the sense used in the United States means that the people chose to rule are elected by the people and everyone gets a vote (which is blurred somewhat because technically people in the US vote for an electoral college and in many states that person is not even bound to vote for the person/party they supposedly represent).

      Nobody runs a true Democracy in the sense of the form of government used in ancient Athens - that is an open forum where anyone can show up and all that show up get a vote - the logistics of scale until recently made this entirely impossible (for instance, every person in the US would get a vote on all federal laws), and even now it many be impossible to do it securely.

    3. Re:Democracy by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Interesting perspective, coming from someone who doesn't know what a democracy or a republic actually is.

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
    4. Re:Democracy by Raenex · · Score: 1

      If you look at the US congress you see the US citizenry. Weak, corrupt, dishonest, self centered, exactly like the people they represent. Don't leave out ignorant and greedy either.

      That's the way people are in general. If not, tell me which enlightened country to move to.

  27. a couple of questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who requested this?

    who will pay for it?

    who will manage it? (or is homeland security just looking for job security?)

    why is this being proposed by commerce?

  28. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ~Everyone is ~Potentially a ~Criminal..

  29. 7 reasons for no 1 id by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    Solutions that require the citizen to abdicate their online identity (federated identity management) are in the best interests of democracy.

    Online participatory government, which includes online voting, is a necessary next step to increase the involvement of citizens in their governance. But two basic challenges are introduced with online interaction, which are not managed well with our current Internet: Verification and Anonymity. These problems must be solved with an equal concern for both the government's need for verification and a citizen's right to anonymity. Federated identity solutions meet the government's need, but at the expense of the citizen’s.

    1. The greatest threat to federated solutions is subversion by authority. In-person voting is highly distributed and each step of the process is very visible. Even in countries where totalitarian governments are in control, it is very difficult to hide intervention. It would be too easy for a government to invisibly alter results in a federated solution because of its centralized nature. Evgeny Morozov recently argued in "The Net Delusion" that the centralized (read: federated) nature of the current Internet makes it vulnerable to centralized control. As current events show, many governments are just waking up to this fact, while China is already making a science of it.

    2. Federated solutions require that the citizen register with a third party, chosen by the government, to manage the citizen's online identity. If the citizen has different criteria for trust than the government, then the citizen cannot avail themselves of services requiring an online identity.

    3. Even if there was a choice of identity managers, there is no evidence to suggest that security can be guaranteed by the federated solution provider. There are too many examples of governments, businesses, and even security firms being hacked or inadvertently disclosing sensitive user information.

    4. Electronic Voting is only one aspect of participative government: polls, comments, data access, and more innovative uses of online collaboration could all be facilitated with a verifiable anonymous identity. But federated identity solutions tend to not be very extensible. Federated identity solutions typically require adding orders of magnitudes of complexity and risk to use the solution in multiple contexts. For example, using a single identifier over multiple sites will increase the risk of re-identification.

    5. Anonymization of votes by federated solutions, gains much of its security by introducing additional complexity. Complexity, in turn, introduces new and unknown vulnerabilities, increases the burden of auditing and oversight, and makes subversion by authority easier to hide.

    6. One of the weakest security links in most, if not all federated solutions is Public Key Infrastructure. Not only is PKI susceptible to brute-force decryption (the cost of which is dropping every day), but the biggest vulnerability to PKI is when certificates are used. A certificate issuer, such as the government of China, has a built in backdoor to communications dependent upon that certificate. One of the founders of the Internet, Van Jacobson, calls certificates a disaster. This is a clear example that the interests of the citizen are not a priority. Ignoring certificate warnings or other certificate subversions would allow a third party to pretend to be the site that creates the citizen’s online identity and the citizen would be fooled into providing essential identity information to an un-trusted party.

    7. There is a long-term risk that the federated identity be used for more and more purposes than it was intended and becomes necessary to function in society, as social security numbers have. Just as social security numbers have exceeded their use as a worker identifier, a federated online voting identity will be used for far more than government interaction and form a huge dependency on the identity provider.

    Granted, federated ide

  30. Aside from Arizona... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I am not required to carry identification in public. This is a constitutional right in the US. ... I can hardly understand why my presence in virtual public is any different.

    Also, when, exactly, do our political bodies intend to AMEND the constitution to further clarify the important distinctions we need, as citizens in 2011, that relate our constitution from the 1700s to present time? A lot has changed, and while the constitution hasn't changed much, it is getting harder and harder to find 'interpretations' we are largely happy with.

  31. Tax Day by killmenow · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but tax day this year is April 18th.

  32. Somehow I doubt you are right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would seem like an absolute blessing for one with questionable morals to be able to steal identities, obtaining records for advert purposes, etc

    You mean like they do already?

    The current system is not better, if anything, it's worse because while I believe I have the right and the duty to hold the public sector absolutely accountable to me, doing so in the private sector is rather more difficult.

    I retain the right to use violence against the government, it's in my state's constitution, but less so against the private.

  33. True Names? by HiggsBison · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one here flashing back to "True Names"?

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    1. Re:True Names? by monk · · Score: 1

      As usual, Vinge saw it coming. We can hope it's more like Rainbow's End, but I wouldn't count on it.

      Sam Landstrom had an interesting alternative in Metagame.

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  34. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by majestic_twelve · · Score: 1

    We're talking about just another computer system here. It can and will be hacked.

  35. United States of China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it hilarious the USA makes fun of China for how they handle the Internet while slowly trying to copy them...

  36. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Of course, we will never know how many of the people convicted are the actual criminals, rather than just a victim of a hacker who chose their identity at random.

    If it's possible to hack an identity, and it's possible to show that it's possible to hack an identity, then the system is mooted and the conviction based on the system is invalid.

    Possibly. Of course, if you take the situation with regards to DUIs, it's illegal in some states (California, I believe) for a defense attorney to even bring up the subject that a breathalyzer is anything but one hundred percent accurate. Said attorney can be up on contempt of court charges if he does. So yeah, it's pretty easy to imagine that the government will prevent any demonstration in court of the fallibility of their system.

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  37. someone needs to shit in the federal gov's mouth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone needs to take a hearty diarrhea in the federal government's mouth. Fuck the federal government, power to the states.

  38. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

    Of course, we will never know how many of the people convicted are the actual criminals, rather than just a victim of a hacker who chose their identity at random.

    The real danger is that this is just another form of automated justice. If a log generated by a server somewhere in somebody's cloud says your guilty ... then you're guilty. Period. End of statement. Face it, courts only rarely disregard computer-generated "evidence", although that's likely only because they don't have the mental tools to make a judgement as to the probability of a computer error, so they simply ignore the possibility. I suspect that most people here on Slashdot are like me, in that they certainly would not want their future, their livelihood or their freedom beholden to the reliability and accuracy of somebody's little black box.

    What we have here is Man fading in the shadow of the machine. And I don't like it.

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  39. correction to 7 reasons for no 1 id by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    correction: NOT in the best interests of democracy

  40. Like a Game Registration Code by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    That IIN has already been registered. You do not exist, access denied.

  41. Acronym needs a k by abitowhot · · Score: 1

    Add a k so it is NSTICK. A barely noticeable nasty little bloodsucker burried into your skin. teehee

  42. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it's not really that hard. All login systems will come equipped with a 'Hack' button in the upper right corner of the display.

    Of course, it will only appear to those with sufficient expertise in Computers.

  43. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by mlts · · Score: 2

    What is ironic is that properly implemented, this system can assure a truly kick-ass privacy ecosystem.

    One could base it around a smart card. The private key is stored, and a certificate from a trusted CA (county courthouse) states that this key belongs to this individual.

    Then start sticking certificates on the key. The user can determine who gets to see the certificates, and who doesn't.

    Carded at the bar? The bar doesn't need to know the DOB. The bar finds a certificate stating that this person is over 21 years of age, signed by the state. That is good enough evidence for legal purposes to start slinging the drinks. The bar is legally covered, and the patron does not have to show when they were born.

    Criminal record? The potential employer sees a certificate from NCIC stating the bearer has zero crimes on his/her rap sheet. The employer checks to see if this cert was revoked, and it hasn't been. So, even without looking up the user in a database, there is legal proof of no felonies present.

    Degree from accredited institution? The employer finds a cert from Miskatonic University stating the person has graduated and has a B. S. Going up the cert chain, the university has a certificate from an accreditor stating that they are in good standing.

    Credit report? Vinny's Used Cars gets a certificate from Experion that the person is in the top tier of credit, and no other details are handed out.

    Of course, with keys and an active CRL mechanism, if someone was convicted, the criminal record cert stating there is no record would be revoked, or it can be a SLC that is pulled from a certificate server, with an expiration duration of minutes to hours.

    I have hopes... if done right, a good smart card would help privacy and security. However, if done wrong, it would rain down hell on anyone in the US.

  44. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    That is exactly the point I was trying to make. I knew when I finished the post that I had failed to say it as clearly as I would have liked (but I didn't feel like taking the time to fix it).
    Actually, a bigger problem with this sort of government centralized identity database is when the data about who you are becomes corrupted. When one database becomes the central arbiter of who you are, how do you get it corrected when it is wrong?

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  45. Doing it Wrong by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    What we don't need is a centralized ID system - that's a recipe for all kinds of fraud of other sorts of abuse (like the recent story about how DVR commercial viewing records are correlated with grocery purchases in order to better target you for advertising).

    If the government insists on getting involved in ID infrastructure, then they ought to be providing a means for distributed identification. Define a standardized system that promotes multiple, independent IDs that are domain specific. For example, one ID for facebook, another ID for your bank, another ID for your car registration, a different ID for the tax records on property like your house.

    Go ahead and define a protocol for handling the identification and authentication transactions, but require taht each party (both users and service providers) keep the database of IDs on their own systems - not off in some massive cross-referenced database, federal or otherwise.

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    1. Re:Doing it Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we don't need is a centralized ID system

      If the government insists on getting involved in ID infrastructure, then they ought to be providing a means for distributed identification. Define a standardized system that promotes multiple, independent IDs that are domain specific.

      You are totally right.

      And good news for you - NSTIC isn't about a centralized ID system. It is about creating an identity ecosystem of multiple identity providers and relying parties that supports different kinds of ID's for different transactions.

    2. Re:Doing it Wrong by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Sorry, you fail to offer any sort of compelling argument as to why centralization is necessary. Your example of a broken system - driver's licenses, SS#s and public records is a centralized system. You've basically disproven your own premise.

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  46. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like the No Fly List?

  47. Anything DHS does, I don't want! by unil_1005 · · Score: 0

    I still can't got over the way that name brings back echos of the Nazi term for Germany: "Home Land"

  48. I think it's time for a Boston I.T. Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bring on the revolution!!!!

  49. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    And what if you dont have a smart card?

    You have no right to live?

  50. Lack of Leftwing Outrage by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 0

    One of the things that is amusing to me is the complete lack of OUTRAGE by the left on this. Had this be GWB, the left would have been screaming mad, and rightfully so. However, since this is Obama, he seemingly is getting a collective "meh, what do you expect".

    This just whole idea pisses me off to no end and why I hate fake liberals who give passes to people on shit like this because, well, who knows the reason why. This shit, (R) or (D) is wrong. And these people are still whining about GWB. Gahhhh it is enough to make want to hole up in a gated compound.

    Obama, and the rest of you tards in DC, Hear me clearly F. U.!

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    1. Re:Lack of Leftwing Outrage by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      That's because only republicans and "right-wingers" and people belonging to the "tea party" can be targeted for this. Remember, Obama ... better than Bush. Hahaha right...you guys are fucked. You bought into the whole Trudeau style charm and are taking it like a champ now.

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    2. Re:Lack of Leftwing Outrage by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I'm not, nor have been a "tea-partier". I'm a Libertarian. I look not at skill of politicking, but rather out foundational truths. Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have.

      It isn't enough that the top 20% of income earners pay something like 70+% of the taxes, the government is now wanting more. And the stupid left wing idiots don't even realize that all taxes are regressive.

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    3. Re:Lack of Leftwing Outrage by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Sorry. In the minds of koolaid drinking liberals you're a member of the tea party. Enjoy!

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  51. Thanks, but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer to be AC

  52. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on now high hopes? I think you're being a bit unrealistic here. Reading the other posts I reiterate one word Hack. Also the US Govt fucks everything up! Nuff Said.

  53. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or that you are not anyone.

  54. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

    see: keyloggers

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  55. Who's going to protect the protector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try again, guys. Hey, government! You guys can't even protect YOURSELVES from hackers!

    So far no one is really safe on the internet. Huge corporations can't even protect their email! What makes you think people will trust their life to a flawed system? We already have so much information in the cloud as it is.

    Until my personal info can be absolutely secure, I say no to centralized ID system. (Yeah, like that's going to happen).

  56. Sounds like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hence the "IdentaEase", this encoded every bit of information about you, your body and your life into one machine readable card that could then be carried around in your wallet. And there fore represented technologies greatest triumph to date over both itself as well as plain common sense.

  57. April 15th? Tax day? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    This said it was to be unveiled on April 15th -- which this year is *not* tax day.

    Due April 16th being a Saturday, Washington DC is celebrating Emancipation Day on April 15th ... making it a holiday ... so tax day got moved. With the 16th and 17th being a weekend, you have an extra 3 days this year to do your taxes, as they're not due 'til the 18th.

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  58. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

    And the malware that "bad guy" has on your computer could *never* do something maliciously and permanently corrupting your "profile" ... not to mention the government would *never* violate your civil liberties or impersonate your identity with this system.

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  59. Princess Leiah FTW! by crhylove · · Score: 1

    The more you tighten your grip Tarken, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

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  60. Cyber ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 90 year old grandparents that don't even own a computer are going to have very active cyberId's if this passes...

  61. More likely, just another Clipper chip debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, let's get real here. Department of Homeland Securitytheater? 13 year old script kiddies will eat their lunch.

  62. If they make this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be internet sites all over the place where peoples online credentials will be posted and even little areas where you can add more just to screw with their systems.

    Remember the old Credit Card channels they had on IRC back in the day? They won't be able to hold a candle to what we will see with this and unlike the CC channels, many of these will be posted by their actual users just to screw up the system and add "reasonable doubt" to any action their account is tied to online as to who done it.

  63. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Creepy · · Score: 1

    Wrong - since this is voluntary, they only know anyone that logs in with their identity, which would be moronic for anyone hacking - good hackers always hide behind NAT and preferably also anonymous open proxy servers. Incidentally, IPv6 has the same dream in the name of "security" - assign each person a unique IP based on their computer, disallow NAT, and you can trace every IP back to the source. It is the FBI's dream... except that IPv6 IPs are generated using the MAC address on the router, which can be spoofed... DOH!

  64. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

    Have you ever worked in the Smart Card or Cert industries? This has never been done right, and never will be, due to a reliance on people.

    You have to trust that everyone has the certs they're supposed to have, and that no errors in cert deployment happened (wrong cert revoked, inappropriate cert given out, etc). Then there's theft of smart cards, cracking of cards for the private key, control over the card readers (how does the user determine who sees what certs when the person can't even read the data on their card without a reaader -- and not all readers are created equal).

    Think of the recent news items where a CA was issuing certificates to an untrusted party, and where MOST CAs were issuing certs for inappropriate zones.

    Personally, having dealt with this technology in-depth for over 10 years, I'd rather trust a web of trust (real people) than a CA chain. The CA chain can augment, but it should NEVER replace.

  65. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    How long do you think this will remain voluntary?

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  66. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    That is exactly the point I was trying to make. I knew when I finished the post that I had failed to say it as clearly as I would have liked (but I didn't feel like taking the time to fix it). Actually, a bigger problem with this sort of government centralized identity database is when the data about who you are becomes corrupted. When one database becomes the central arbiter of who you are, how do you get it corrected when it is wrong?

    Yes. That sounds an awful lot like what is happening with the TSA's "no fly" list, actually.

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  67. Passport Oversight by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

    > It would seem like an absolute blessing for one with questionable morals to be able to steal identities, obtaining records for advert purposes, etc

    This reminds me of how the government has a system in place to warn them when officials are misusing their passport record access to access information about important people--e.g. presidential candidates. Nice of them to design access restriction that only cares when the information about *important* people is accessed without reason.

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  68. In Aus Telstra asks for your licence by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    FYI, In Australia Telstra 'asks' for your licence to connect your home phone. They make it sound like giving your licence is absolutely required.

    Last time this occurred for me, the conversation started to wear a little on the operator -

    "What is your licence number?"
    "What licence?"
    "Car licence"
    "Why would I have a car licence?"
    "Err. Oh."
    "I am requesting for a home phone connection, not registering a car"
    "Okay then" ... and no issues. No licence required to register a home phone.

    I called back later to ask why they needed a *licence* number for a home phone connection, but no one could actually say.

    Although, the government made the law so that you need to identify yourself to register a mobile phone. I do wonder how people who have a licence (don't drink, don't drive, etc) obtain a mobile connection.

    Interestingly, with the recent attempt by google - where they demand a phone number to verify you - is completely thwartable. You can buy sim cards for $2 each - as many as you like.

    Knowing someone's phone number (ala scraping it via Android / iphone) can be very useful for identifying individuals.. but phone numbers can be changed easily. It's just a pain to do.

    I'm surprised that they haven't suggested using phone numbers to identify people.

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    1. Re:In Aus Telstra asks for your licence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I signed up for Comcast Internet, I think they wanted a SSN. I have no driver's license. So, I was able to give them my state ID. (Not sure what would have happened without a state ID. I originally got one because of, I think the SATs.) But I am getting sick and tired of being asked for my SSN when contacting Comcast, and I grow tired of it when my address alone isn't sufficient and they need me to break out my state ID to read what I gave them off.

  69. Don't fret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Darknets already exist, and they're pretty much unstoppable.

  70. Here comes another business opportunity... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

    Like freedom? Don't like being under Big Brother's thumb? Dump the Internet, and catch a ride on the Internet's competition, the *Internot!!

    (*Yeah, stupid name...but Alternet and Outernet are taken.)

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    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
  71. Screw this lets see why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a horrible idea let issue everyone smarts cards or a login system for the US internet lets see the problems

    1. Someone steal your password or smartcard and now your accountable for hacking something good luck getting out of that. Ask people about how hard it is to prove credit thief how hard that shit is is to remove

    2. IF smart cards are issue who buying me a smartcard reader I'm not

    3. IF a smartcard or login system is used and ran by the government I betting money the login server is going to go down weekly and no one getting internet that day think about it your going to need a LOGIN System for the whole USA

    4. How will it handle mult device logins and will there be a limit to how many device you can login to at one time I got a smartphone, PC, servers

    5. CA have to expire so does that mean I have to go to the government office and wait in a long ass line to get a new CA on my card

    6. You damage your card or it get stolen on Saturday wait it the government you gotta wait till Monday to get a new one

    7.How secure is a Smart card or password for a big system like that I give it a week till 1 yr till someone find a way to clone the card or change keys on it or make good counterfits

    8. Maybe it will have RFID like the new passports and let anyone steal my info

    9. Who going to show grandma how to use it or explain to her she has to go to the government office to get a card ( good example would be the Digital TV move most older people didn't know they could get the boxes at a discount despite being ADs on tv everyday for it)

    10. Who going to pay for it I thought the government was going to shut down to money problems think how much it going to cost to make a database with every US person and check for errors and enter there info into that system and then you need a data center to hold it plus the connection to the data center and redundant center needed for fail over and workers for the datacenter.

  72. Assumptions by dugeen · · Score: 1

    Given a benevolent government and benevolent holders of economic power, there would be some sense in a way of identifying real people for real purposes, like making online tax returns or opening bank accounts. In the real world such a mechanism would be massively abused. The government would demand that all online expression be tied to such an identifier, and those with economic power would demand that it be used for all financial transactions, either because it suits their convenience (like with driving licences) or because they support the government's authoritarian agenda. And because capitalism is a 'pay up or piss off' system there would be no other way to access goods and services.

  73. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but for how long can you run away? If you just keep escaping, inevitably this thing is going to take over because no one opposed.

  74. This Is Trusted Computing by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

    As the subject states, this is the initial roll-out of "Trusted Computing".

    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

    It's simply had the political name-change game played with it. If at first it doesn't fly, rename it and try again. Rinse & repeat until passage/implementation/adoption.

    As has been commented elsewhere here, this is something that will be slowly expanded with government and corporate pressure from initially being voluntary to eventually become necessary to connect to your ISP.

    This thing is a tyrant's dream. It *must* be prevented from being implemented. There's no way that much power will escape being abused and corrupted.

    Strat

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  75. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, US Government to get overthrown the day after tax day.

  76. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by nealfunkbass · · Score: 0

    The real danger is that this is just another form of automated justice

    "Automated Justice" sounds like it could be a Steven Seagal movie.

    They stole his ssh keys...

    They removed his domain account from the Administrators group...

    They disabled AutoPlay on all in the enterprise PCs...

    But they forgot to disable his vengence (and his User Account Control).

    AUTOMATED JUSTICE - In theaters April 18th

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  77. WHAT. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, FUCK NO.
    Do not want.

    FTA: "a White House initiative to improve online security, increase privacy and foster economic growth and innovation online."

    More like, "to screw with people's security online, to invade privace, and foster the economic growth and dominance of our largest campaign financers online!"

    I will be avoiding this at all costs.

    How appropriate: captcha is "victims."

  78. Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Message to the Federal government: Fuck off. kthxbai

  79. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, hackers will get people's trusted ID and use that instead. So there will be dead people who are hacking databases and websites around the world. And once a hacker gets ahold of a trusted ID of a congresscritter, the laws will get changed _very_ quickly.

  80. Re:Now only criminals will be able to post anonymo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Those found without credentials are subject to summary destruction." - enforcement officer, Equalibrium

  81. Fundamental Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YES!! DO IT!!! Let's see how many of us 'privacy advocates' will tell our ISP's to get stuffed and disconnect from the net. Let's see if this type of fundamental change brings back the concept of local community bbs' and community wifi meshnets. I for one would LOVE to take a step back to 1985 with some of our new modern communications toys! It would be nice to utilize things like WASTE and know that my pron is coming from the neighbor kids 3 blocks away rather than one of Baltic states.

    It would be interesting to see how quickly a fully privatized "Outernet" (dibs!) would be built by the same pioneering spirit that the original hackers had. Go for it feds, put this restriction on free speech, the genie is out of the bottle and in any given neighborhood there's at least a half dozen people that know how to configure a cisco router.

    *rant off*

  82. read the fine print . . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . . . in cooperation with the department of Homeland Security, Epsilon, the industry's leading marketing services firm, with a broad array of data- driven, multichannel marketing solutions, will be tasked with the implementation and management of the new security features . . . . .