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Graphene Super Paper Is 10x Stronger Than Steel

Elliot Chang writes "The University of Technology in Sydney recently unveiled a new type of graphene nano paper that is ten times stronger than a sheet of steel. Composed of processed and pressed graphite, the material is as thin as a sheet of paper yet incredible durable — this strength and thinness gives it remarkable applications in many industries, and it is completely recyclable to boot."

244 comments

  1. The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by billyea · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently the pencil is now mightier than the sword.

    1. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I always hate "stronger". What does it mean? Tensile strength? Compression? What metric are they claiming "10 times stronger".

    2. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by ciderbrew · · Score: 2

      But that would be proper syense. Don't do syence. makes me brain hurt!

      OR couldn't agree more.

    3. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to read the article, but in case you can't for some weird reason...

      "it’s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength"

    4. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by damnfuct · · Score: 1

      Maybe it withstands advanced torture techniques better than steel does.

    5. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then put it in the summary. When I see such a liteweight summary in scientifc terms, I don't bother to read on. I get innudated with tons of "information" and can only be arsed to read on if I have confidence in the value of what I am going to read.

    6. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by SharpFang · · Score: 2

      Also, it can be used in temperatures two times lower than paper.

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    7. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      but something that thin, I wonder what the shearing force it can withstand is.

    8. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Speaking of swords, could this finally make giant anime swords a real possibility? Attempts with less exotic materials have had very limited success.

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    9. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Shearing force is basically just tensile force acting on a very short segment of the material.

    10. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      but that "very short segment" part truly matters.

      I'm a decently strong guy, but I can't rip apart even a fairly thin sheet of something like aluminum (no, not aluminum foil, real sheet metal). I can cut through it with ease with even a moderate pair of scissors though.

    11. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by hey! · · Score: 1

      When I read the subject of your post, my next thought was "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound..."

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    12. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently the pencil is now mightier than the sword.

      and the paper is now stronger than the pencil

    13. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      Exactly how I felt. I read a summary that says "such and such is 10x stronger!!1". I ask stronger than what and how? (We got the what, but not the how.) So, I'm thinking, "If I read this article, is it going to be an advert piece with no details? I'm not going to waste my time to find out."

    14. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by tmosley · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

    15. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to waste my time to find out.

      And you're telling us of this why? You could learn how not to be a waste of time yourself.

    16. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      Paper is now also stronger than Spock but no match for Lizard.

    17. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      It has a nasty stink?

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    18. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      but that "very short segment" part truly matters.

      A material which performs well under tension also tends to convert shear into tensile forces and transmit those tensile forces throughout its length, unless there's some good reason why it can't.

      I can't rip apart even a fairly thin sheet of something like aluminum (no, not aluminum foil, real sheet metal). I can cut through it with ease with even a moderate pair of scissors though.

      Keep in mind that you're using a set of levers to greatly multiply your force.

    19. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Cinder6 · · Score: 2

      I think it took you longer to write that post than it would have to actually RTFA.

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    20. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what would you use to write on it?

    21. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      An eraser, obviously.

    22. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Good question, but I always assume it means tensile strength unless they state otherwise.

    23. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GooberToo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Attempts with less exotic materials have had very limited success.

      The biggest problem there is, the user has no clue what he's doing. Large swords are never used as swords (swinging/slashing). That's a complete misconception. Large swords are actually used as a pole arm (thus the typical handhold north of the hilt) and frequently used from horseback where the extra reach is desired. Furthermore, should one actually desire to use it standing and not as a pole arm, you would do so in a spinning/slicing fashion rather than a swinging manner - but that would be a move or pure desperation.

      Remember, not all swords are used the same. For example, the classic Roman sword, central to the phalanx, was almost never used in a swinging fashion; despite being bladed. It was almost exclusively used in a shielded, stabbing technique.

      In fact, contrary to pop culture, the sword was pretty far down on the list of preferred weapons. Universally, weapons such as spears, pikes, flails, mace, pole arms, axes and hammers of various sizes were, by far, the preferred weapons. Swords, if in fact they were used at all, were considered a weapon of last resort. And in fact, long daggers/short swords where typically preferred over that of what is typically depicted as a sword in pop culture. Which in turn, is precisely what inspired the creation of weapons such as bastard (sword and a half)/long sword, and two handed swords (example, claymore).

    24. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by itsanx · · Score: 1

      Brilliant. :-D

    25. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Oppss - I said, "from horseback", I meant, "against opponent on horseback."

    26. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Conversely, this is going to make the pencil pretty useless.

      I mean, is the pencil writing on the paper, or is the paper writing on the pencil? And how could you tell?

    27. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by mldi · · Score: 1

      Now 25% MORE!!!

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    28. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      That would make it twice as efficient.

    29. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's worth a read just to get a look at that cute little Lori Zimmer.

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    30. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Kompressor · · Score: 1

      So what does this do to Rock-Paper-Scissors?

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    31. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by zill · · Score: 2
      From TFA:

      Graphene offers many advantages over steel – it’s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength.

    32. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by chill · · Score: 1

      You sound like my fencing instructor. :-)

      It all makes sense when you pick one up. With those monsters seen in the movies, you get one swing and they can see it coming days away. An opponent with a nice, short rapier or extended dagger can poke holes in an opponent very quickly.

      And pre-penicillin, a few small holes would *eventually* be fatal even if it was immediate.

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    33. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      A rapier with a blooding groove could kill in one stroke. Although the English long bow was most of the reason suits of armor went away the rapier and foil also played a roll. Every suit of armor had weak points at the joints that a man in light leathers with a foil or rapier could exploit quite easily. In fact after the armored opponent made their first swing you would just need to step in and stick the foil into the gap under the arm or at the waist or the neck. The thin sharp point could penetrate the rib cage and even if it missed the heart or other vital organs you would be guaranteed enough internal bleeding to bring them down in a few minutes of exertion without even striking another blow.

      A quick hand with a foil or rapier is far more deadly than a big bastard sword or other massive weapon because it will never land a blow.

    34. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by operagost · · Score: 1

      ... and inclined planes.

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    35. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that but what alloy of steel are they use as a bases for comparison??? I am there are Alloy with heat treating of steel that are ten or more times stronger then "regular" mild steel. Of course they probably weight more but how about some sort of table of engineering properties.

    36. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Both the rapier and foil were generally considered a gentleman's weapon and generally not used against armored opponents. Generally armor was worn by the military and both the rapier and foil were considered a non-military, civilian's weapon. In fact, one of the foil's biggest advantages is that it was generally non-lethal and yet still allowed for gentlemen to resolve their disputes while respecting the mortality of mere man. Both the foil and the rapier were generally a gentleman's weapon of ornate defense. That's not to say they can't or were not lethal.

    37. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      It is believed to be impervious to waterboarding. Whereas most steels begin to rust after a few dips.

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    38. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      And you're telling us of this why?

      Because he hopes that future submitters read it, think about it and write better summaries.

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    39. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd think that since these phrases would all mean "stronger" to the layman anyway, that the correct terms could be used so someone could actually gain useful information even by reading some science journalism.

    40. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      A sword of any kind is the wrong tool to use against armor. You want something like a mace or hammer instead.

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    41. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Non-Lethal? Are you kidding? Do you know how many young Nobels died in duals in the early 18th century? France actually banned dueling (not that it worked) because so many young men were dieing in duels over silly disputes. Fencing is derived directly from this tradition with the added benefit of safety equipment like face guards and protective tips.

      Without a protective tip a foil is just about as deadly as it gets as even a woman or small child can poke a hole in someone with one because the small point comes with incredible leverage and force concentration. Without the protective tip there is something like 1000psi concentrated onto the tip of the foil on impact, it's enough to puncture the rib cage and go all the way through soft tissue. A torso hit with a foil in these times was almost universally fatal, if not on the field within a few days due to internal bleeding or infection. It was the exception that someone survived a dual where there was a torso hit on one of the opponents.

      As society tried to prevent death in the duals they moved to rapiers and first blood victory where the most of the strokes were cutting instead of stabbing. Later they moved to the safety tips and scored based systems which became what we know as modern fencing. But make no mistake, when Fencing was actually orchestrated dueling between nobels it was a very fatal endeavor.

    42. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      That groove isn't to let blood out, the flesh will tend to squeeze shut against the blade anyway, it's to increase the rigidity while lightening the weapon.

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    43. Re:The Strength of Compressed Graphite? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Non-Lethal? Are you kidding?

      No, not kidding at all. You seem to be seriously confused. Just because people did die doesn't mean it wasn't largely non-lethal. Unless you wish to re-write history, the story starts and stops there.

      You need to keep in mind, they were in fact, not upset that people were dieing. Rather, they were upset about WHO was dieing. You do realize, even during wartime, it was the exception rather than the rule, for the wealthy and/or royalty to actually die in combat. Before the 20th century, it was almost universally true, with the largest exception being the Crusades. It was the commoner who actually did the dieing. Accordingly, any activity which negatively affected the transfer or wealth and power was of concern to the wealthy and nobility of the day.

      The history is actually far richer than I'm entailing. Regardless, my original statements remain factually accurate.

      The simple fact is, even after duels migrated away from swords to pistols, it was the exception rather than the rule for the duel to actually result in someone's death.

  2. paper airplane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now paper airplane takes on all kinds of new meanings...

    1. Re:paper airplane by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Does this mean Boeing will have to rethink the Dreamliner...?

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    2. Re:paper airplane by rbrausse · · Score: 1

      not only airplanes - just think about the "(paper)balls of steel" award

  3. Rate of degrading? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time (including diamonds) when exposed to oxygen.

    Just out of curiosity, anyone have an idea about the life of these sorts of materials? I'd think that a very thin, sublimating material with large surface area wouldn't last very long.

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    1. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not generally. It sublimates at 3915K, the highest of all elements. Additionally, it's very non-reactive in most forms around standard temperature and pressure. Stable carbon forms do *not* oxidize easily.

    2. Re:Rate of degrading? by dmbasso · · Score: 2

      Would it be impossible to coat it with some kind of varnish? Say, like they already do to avoid metal sheets from oxidizing...

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    3. Re:Rate of degrading? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'd guess that since the carbon atoms are strongly bound to each other in rings, that the sublimation process would be strongest where the rings were incomplete; at the edges of the "paper". In other words, it would be the length of the perimeter that matters, not the surface area.

      Also, this may be ten times stronger than steel, but it is still carbon, which makes it ten times more combustible than steel as well.

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    4. Re:Rate of degrading? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, this may be ten times stronger than steel, but it is still carbon, which makes it ten times more combustible than steel as well.

      Sort of like diamonds are ten times more combustible than steel wool.

      I don't think it's quite that simple...

    5. Re:Rate of degrading? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      So you wouldn't want to build an airplane or a building out of it... but useful in undersea and outer space applications I bet.

    6. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time (including diamonds) when exposed to oxygen.

      Sublimation is only a state change. I'm not saying that what you're describing doesn't happen, I'm just saying, the transformation of C to CO2 is usually called "oxidization" or even just "burning".

    7. Re:Rate of degrading? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time.

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    8. Re:Rate of degrading? by adubey · · Score: 3, Informative

      My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time (including diamonds) when exposed to oxygen.

      I don't disagree that this might happen, but isn't this usually called oxidation and not sublimation? Sublimation refers to a state change (always C), and oxidation is a chemical reaction (C to CO2). If oxidation happens quickly enough, I heard it is called "burning"...

      (ducks)

      At any rate, you are partially correct in that diamond oxidation depends on sublimation occurring:

      http://acs.omnibooksonline.com/data/papers/2001_6.2.pdf

      But you may need to heat it to 350 degrees C for this to happen at a noticeable rate:

      http://www.mdu.edu.tw/Chinese/pdf/mdu01c-2-09.pdf

    9. Re:Rate of degrading? by Kurofuneparry · · Score: 2

      In college chem we had to do this same problem. Basically, at any normal temperatures and pressures you could break high level encryption by brute force methods sooner than notice any change in the diamonds weight by conventional methods.
      Graphite is very similar to diamond in this. Technically the reaction is favorable but the kinetics don't work..... then again, I'm an idiot.....

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    10. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't mean sublimation, you're talking about oxidation: C + O2 = CO2

      Sublimation is when a substance transitions from the solid phase to the gas phase without going through a liquid phase. Diamond and graphite are actually about the slowest sublimating substances because they have the highest sublimation temperature (>3000K)

      Pure carbon things don't oxidise much at room temperature and pressure - otherwise the diamond jewellery industry wouldn't be around if all diamonds went up in a puff of CO2 in anything less than geological time.

    11. Re:Rate of degrading? by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time (including diamonds) when exposed to oxygen.

      Don't quote me on this, but I think I read that the outer boundary of diamonds is usually bonded to hydrogen atoms.

    12. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me put this into terms that you might be able to understand...

      Your [sic] a moron.

    13. Re:Rate of degrading? by corbettw · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking this might be the perfect material to make solar sails out of.

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    14. Re:Rate of degrading? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      Yet I am able to spell my own name, which apparently stumps you.

    15. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing happens to many materials...aluminum, obsidian, etc. What happens is the outer layer oxidizes, and creates a patina, which keeps the underlying material from further degrading.

    16. Re:Rate of degrading? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that make it a little difficult to write on?

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    17. Re:Rate of degrading? by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Ahh - just FYI - plenty of airplanes are built from carbon fiber right now ;)

    18. Re:Rate of degrading? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Very likely yes. That's the whole concept behind composite construction. Generally, you're never going to use a single ply. Rather, you'll bind them with epoxy of some type; which in turn would prevent oxidation and contact with any other caustic elements. Not to mention, but to provide utility for most construction materials, these types of materials are typically turned 45' against its previous layer allowing to to provide tensile strength in all directions. Though it may not be the case here.

    19. Re:Rate of degrading? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Will it burn?

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    20. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, this may be ten times stronger than steel, but it is still carbon, which makes it ten times more combustible than steel as well.

      Its made of carbon, not hydrocarbons.

    21. Re:Rate of degrading? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      You could use dry erase markers and/or wax pens.

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    22. Re:Rate of degrading? by kubernet3s · · Score: 1

      If this really is graphene, it's not your traditional carbon compound. It is a poly-conjugated system, so oxidation happens much slower. It's in fact very hard to GET conjugated compounds to oxidize, it's a significant problem in industrial waste treatment The stuff is chemically very similar to fullerene, which see use as lubricants in environments with plenty of heat and plenty of oxygen.

      And yeah, diamonds oxidize, but not fast or well. Diamonds may not be literally forever but they're sure as hell around for a long time, and they aren't even conjugated. If it were a significant problem, diamond tipped drills and the like would have to be "re-tipped" every so often because the atmosphere would strip all the diamond off!

      This stuff won't be any easier to oxidize than steel is in the first place, and I don't think anyone is arguing that we don't know how to keep steel machine parts from oxidizing, or that the oxidation causes failure over a prohibitively short period of time. You could build anything you want out if this.

    23. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. The carbon based things that we think of as combustible typically have carbon-hydrogen bonds, which store energy. And when you burn them, the leftover bits where the carbon goes tend not to be combustible. For example, CO2 can actually be used to put out fires, despite it having carbon AND oxygen. And wood, after you've brned it, there is plenty of carbon left in the ash (any of the carbon which didn't end up as CO2). You don't normally think of ash as combustible. But methane, propane, gasoline, charcoal, vegetable oil/animal fat, all those things that people think of as being burnable for energy, they have hydrogen and oxygen on a carbon core.

    24. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much more dramatic than is the test for a real diamond: place the diamond on a cast iron pan, and heat it on a burner.

      If it's CZ, it'll sit there and get warm.

      If it's a diamond, it'll melt right into the pan, turning a part of the pan into a low-strength carbon steel.

      "Yes, dear, now you can see. I told you it was a real, 4-ct diamond. That's why it... Hey, now wait a sec! It's still here! They must've cheated me!"

    25. Re:Rate of degrading? by adisakp · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that pure carbon things sublimate into CO2 over time (including diamonds) when exposed to oxygen.

      Your understanding is wrong. First of all, that is not sublimation, it's oxidation. Carbon has highest sublimation point (3915 K) of all the elements. At standard pressure, it has no melting point! (The triple point is 4600 K (4327C) at 10800 kPa). It's insanely stable against sublimation.

      Furthermore, the rate at which diamonds "oxidize" is pretty darn slow. FWIW, Diamonds are thermodynamically unstable under standard conditions and are slowly transforming into graphite, even in the absense of oxygen. However, both of these processes are so slow (i.e. typically hundreds of millions of years) that for nearly all practical purposes, they can be ignored.

    26. Re:Rate of degrading? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Well - obviously CO2 is not flammable. Burning = oxidizing, and CO2 is fully oxidized already.

    27. Re:Rate of degrading? by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      The graphite at Chernobyl oxidized very readily once it got started. Which was the problem. Granted, it did take the unusual conditions of a partial core meltdown to initiate the graphite - oxygen reaction.

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    28. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how, exactly, is pure carbon combustible? You don't even have to know any data for this answer... Take a piece of plain paper and burn it completely. The solid matter you have left is pure carbon. Keep heating it and you just get carbon that's really, really hot. Where is this combustion that you speak of?
      You could make a carbon crucible, put a steel ingot into it, then fire it and the steel will melt well before the carbon does anything remotely interesting.

    29. Re:Rate of degrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seen any pencil drawings evaporating lately? Didn’t think so.

    30. Re:Rate of degrading? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Take a piece of plain paper and burn it completely. The solid matter you have left is pure carbon.

      No, the solid stuff that is left is ash which is primarily calcium carbonate. Most of the carbon in the paper is burnt and floats away as CO2.

      You could make a carbon crucible, put a steel ingot into it, then fire it and the steel will melt well before the carbon does anything remotely interesting.

      Yet most of the worlds electricity is generated by doing the exact opposite, (burning carbon in steel crucibles).

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    31. Re:Rate of degrading? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      It's possible, you just need LOX or something.

      It seems to be one of those things where you need a LOT of heat and 'encouragement', but once it starts it burns very well.

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    32. Re:Rate of degrading? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Yet most of the worlds electricity is generated by doing the exact opposite, (burning carbon in steel crucibles).

      True, but we also run steel melting furnaces with electricity and graphite electrodes

      So it's complicated.

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    33. Re:Rate of degrading? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Sublimation is a state of matter change, and in this case, a good descriptor for the oxidation process since it doesn't form an oxidised layer on the surface of the material as many other things do. Oxidation can cause sublimation, but the transition from a solid to a gas is still sublimation, regardless of the chemical processes involved. Elemental carbon might not be able to sublimate easily into elemental carbon gas, but that doesn't mean it isn't sublimating through some process.

      Also, you are ignoring the properties of the substance in the article, being thin (low volume, high surface area) compared to a diamond which is usually some near spheroid. The rate that diamonds sublimate is irrelevant if they aren't thin on the nano-scale, and then I'd suspect that it wouldn't take hundreds of millions of years for it to degrade beyond practical use.

      Instead of being pedantic, next time if you don't have something useful to share in answer to a question, just don't bother clicking reply.

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    34. Re:Rate of degrading? by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Sublimation is a scientific term for when matter undergoes an endothermic phase transition at temperatures and pressures below the triple point directly from a solid to gaseous form, or vapor, without passing through the more common liquid phase between the two. It is a specific case of vaporization.

      The most well known example of a material that undergoes sublimation is dry ice, or frozen carbon dioxide.

      OXIDATION IS NOT SUBLIMATION. Pray, enlighten me: What part of Oxidation is related to phase transition diagrams and triple points?

    35. Re:Rate of degrading? by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Sublimation is a state of matter change

      Sublimation is not a state. It is a specific process involving the transition between two states of a single compound.

      and in this case, a good descriptor for the oxidation process

      No it's not... please look up the definitions of sublimation and oxidation. One is an endothermic phase transition of a single compound and the other is a chemical reaction which transforms one compound into a molecularly different compound.

  4. #1 excuse gone.. by LordStormes · · Score: 3, Funny

    No chance your dog eats your homework now.

    1. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can't tear it with his teeth, but he could still swallow it.
      How are you going to get your homework out of the dog?

    2. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by dmbasso · · Score: 1

      Nah, better yet... the dog ate my homework AND I had to take him to the vet because he was not crapping!

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    3. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by hey! · · Score: 2

      Pfft, easy. My *robot dog* ate my homework.

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    4. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      1. get some magnesium sulfate
      2. get some water
      3. mix the magnesium sulfate and water
      4. get a funnel
      5. stick funnel into dog's mouth
      6. pour magnesium sulfate solution down dog's throat
      7. wait
      8. get some tongs or gloves
      9. retrieve paper

      It's a longer list than you're used to seeing, and there's no "profit". There's also no "???", so I think that makes up or it.

    5. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by tom17 · · Score: 1

      "Look in the dog"

    6. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. get some magnesium sulfate
      2. get some water
      3. mix the magnesium sulfate and water
      4. get a funnel
      5. stick funnel into dog's mouth
      6. pour magnesium sulfate solution down dog's throat
      7. wait
      8. get some tongs or gloves
      9. retrieve paper

      It's a longer list than you're used to seeing, and there's no "profit". There's also no "???", so I think that makes up or it.

      Alternatively, replace magnesium sulfate with high concentration HCL, skip steps 2 and 3 (may cause loss of use of dog)

    7. Re:#1 excuse gone.. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      better than if your cat eats it!

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  5. Recyclable? by neoevans · · Score: 1

    Steel is the most recycled material on the planet. It is also plenty strong for most applications. So my question is, how much does this super-nano-paper cost? That will be key in its success.

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    1. Re:Recyclable? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Graphite is one of cheaper forms of carbon to obtain.
      Graphene is created by stripping thin layers off graphite.
      Of course to combine them into something of reasonable strength, you need lots and lots of layers. Still, at industry scale, this can be probably made quite cheap, especially that the raw material is cheaper than steel, and the processing does not involve energies required to melt steel.
      Still, that's a lot of graphene layers, so even if unit cost of adding a layer is low, the whole may cost quite a bit. OTOH, unlike steel (which HAS to be heated to melting temperature), this process can be optimized ad nauseam, a joule here, half a joule there, and in the end made very cheap.

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    2. Re:Recyclable? by hey! · · Score: 2

      While cost obviously *is* a factor in any material's success, I disagree that it has to be cheap relative to steel to be successful. A material doesn't have to be cheaper in *every* application than anything else to be successful. It need only solve a problem *within a certain set of valuable constraints* more cheaply than anything else.

      Steel's remarkable versatility and cheapness makes it seem like a universal material, but we already have successful materials that are "stronger than steel" by various measures. They don't have to be cheaper than steel or displace steel in every application to be useful. We use materials like carbon fiber for properties they offer that steel cannot match at any price. That's why you'll see carbon fiber in aircraft but not bridge members. It's *economical* to use it in aircraft where you can because the weight savings is well worth the price. Likewise the ability to cheaply fabricate lightweight, corrosion resistant, elaborately shaped pieces of fiberglass makes it a great material for boat hulls, but for railroad cars a steel box with some paint slapped on is more economical.

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    3. Re:Recyclable? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      A material doesn't have to be cheaper in *every* application than anything else to be successful. It need only solve a problem *within a certain set of valuable constraints* more cheaply than anything else.

      Agreed. Titanium is a classic example.

    4. Re:Recyclable? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      The hands-down winner for "most-recycled material on the planet" is gold: somewhere upwards of 99% of all gold ever mined is still circulating.

      Steel may be the second-most-recycled, but it's got some stiff competition from aluminum (much easier to recycle than smelt) and glass (a key ingredient in production of new glass).

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  6. Another vapor product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never see it in our lifetimes. Press release from the University is just for publicity, grant funding, likely.

  7. "Ten times stronger than steel" by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Note that this only refers to tensile strength.

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    1. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by afidel · · Score: 4, Funny

      God, is there an internet rule that states that for any reasonably technical topic that there will be an xkcd comic for it? =)

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    2. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Funny

      God, is there an internet rule that states that for any reasonably technical topic that there will be an xkcd comic for it? =)

      There is now...

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    3. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #72

    4. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, is there an internet rule that states that for any reasonably technical topic that there will be an xkcd comic for it? =)

      More notably, there is a /. rule that some xkcd fanboi / karma whore will have to link it.

    5. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by afidel · · Score: 2

      Actually I looked it up and it's rule 140 =)

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    6. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 2

      I was there when afidel's law was born. Waiting for a thread to be afideled.

      ~Loyal

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    7. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, God.

    8. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an internet rule that says /. readers won't think of any technical topics that they haven't read about in an xkcd comic.

    9. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by kvothe · · Score: 1

      Here that, Mr. Munroe? No pressure... :)

    10. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus the corollary that if a reasonably technical topic is discovered for which there is not an xkcd comic, one will be created.

    11. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by corbettw · · Score: 1
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    12. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by jd · · Score: 1

      Rule 666 and 3/4.

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    13. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so is it 'Afidels Law'? 'Rule of XKCD'ification' maybe?

      gotta have a good name to catch on.

    14. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by tool462 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes. It's called the Munroe Doctrine.

    15. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by dasdrewid · · Score: 1

      The question is: how long until there's an XKCD explaining "Randall's Law" (as I am hereby dubbing it).

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    16. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      I stand humbled in your presence, sir.

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    17. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we need to ensure the validity of Rule 34...

    18. Re:"Ten times stronger than steel" by k31 · · Score: 1

      God, is there an internet rule that states that for any reasonably technical topic that there will be an xkcd comic for it? =)

      140. XKCD can explain everything. explain it or it goes.

      http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

  8. My only question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My only question: Will my Dixon Ticonderoga #2 write on it?

  9. Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by gblackwo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is the stress strain graph.

    1. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by gblackwo · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by wiggles · · Score: 1

      For those of us not in the materials field, can you provide a short explanation?

    3. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by gblackwo · · Score: 2

      For measuring the strength of materials, the stress strain curve shows the amount of stress as a function of strain. Essentially, it shows how much force per cross sectional area (pressure) the material can handle as it stretches. This isn't quite as simple as it sounds because the cross sectional area decreases as a function of strain too. This is known as Poisson's ratio. Here is the wikipedia

    4. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you want to pay for it.

    5. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its a graph of how much force causes how much stretching of a sample of the material. The end of the line is when it snaps. The area under the linear part of the curve is related to how much energy the material can store in tension, and the highest point basically the tensile strength. Brittle materials are pretty much linear. Ductile materials have a more curvy graph that has a peak, after which the material starts to permanently deform and the force actually decreases as it stretches further since it gets thinner.

    6. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Access to this article requires a subscription or AIP Article Pack, or rent it for $3.99

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    7. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by demonbug · · Score: 1

      For measuring the strength of materials, the stress strain curve shows the amount of stress as a function of strain. Essentially, it shows how much force per cross sectional area (pressure) the material can handle as it stretches. This isn't quite as simple as it sounds because the cross sectional area decreases as a function of strain too. This is known as Poisson's ratio.

      Here is the wikipedia

      That part is easy. The part I couldn't understand is what each of the different lines represents. Sorry, didn't find G-ODA(1) vs. G-ODA(2) to be terribly informative (and it has been too long since my engineering classes to recall what the stress-strain curve for steel looks like, so not terribly useful without a directly comparable diagram for at least some form of steel).

    8. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by gblackwo · · Score: 1

      Maybe because I'm on campus I don't have this problem- It lets me access the entire publication.

    9. Re:Tensile strength is ten times stronger. by slinches · · Score: 1

      I think the different curves are variants of the graphite material. It really doesn't look that impressive to me. It's very brittle with an elongation less than 0.3% and the tensile strength is low ~12k lb/in^2 (ksi). There are many steels that have tensile strengths above 120ksi and elongation in the 20-40% range. It may still be useful since the reduced density allows more of it to be used with less weight. I could see aerospace applications (really large light weight kites?) using something like this, but it isn't going to replace steel anytime soon.

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  10. 10x Stronger than X property??? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    10x stronger than steel in what aspect? Malleability, ductilibility, toughness, or all the above?

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    1. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      It's ten times stronger in the only way that matters: odour production. Why they didn't just say it was ten times as pungent as steel I don't know.

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    2. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by i22y · · Score: 1

      10x stronger by weight, by volume, what?

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    3. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the second time I am doing this here, but .... FROM THE ARTICLE:

      "it’s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength"

    4. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by theIsovist · · Score: 2

      Exactly! This is a common problem with anything from Inhabitat. They repost content without any details backing up claims such as "X is 10 times stronger than Y, this is a huge breakthrough!" Beyond this, the facts they post are often out of context, and occasionally flat out wrong (view most anything they post about space). I do admit that sometimes the articles they link to have the same levels of actual content, but why should we post a blog that's never anything more than a poor repost of another blog?

      This pains me to say as I used to be a big fan of Inhabitat when they first started. I even won a contest of theirs years back. As it stands, though, their content has no purpose here on slashdot.

    5. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      When they're comparing graphene to steel, they always mean tensile strength. Hope this helps.

    6. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they could do without 'fans' that don't even read their articles. It's in the fucking article! It probably took longer to type that out then it would have taken to read it!

      or I just got trolled 10x harder.

    7. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Desler · · Score: 1

      And just like before you were asked to clarify based on what type of alloy and grade of steel.

    8. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      FTFA:
      "Graphene offers many advantages over steel â" itâ(TM)s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength."

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    9. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stronger usually refers to the stress required for a material to yield. Lookup Youngs Modulus for a full explanation. Strength is never used in reference to ductility (ductibility isn't a word) or toughness. Here is a brief explanation:

      If you apply a small stress to a material, it will start to bend. If you remove the stress, it will return to it's original shape. This is know as elastic deformation.

      If you apply a larger stress above a value called Youngs Modulus, the material will start to deform permanently. If you remove the stress, the material won't return to it's original shape. This is know as plastic deformation. (NOTE: When a material yields due to tensile stress, the cross section will become smaller. This is known as necking. This decrease in cross sectional area will cause the stress to increase. This lead to an accelerating failure.)

      If plastic deformation continues the material will eventually snap. The degree of plastic deformation before failure occurs is known as the materials ductility (or malleability int he case of compression).

      In regards to toughness, thats another story. Its a measure of a surfaces resistance to local deformation. It's not really a true material property because it doesn't have real units. There are lots of different ways of 'measuring' toughness and it's only really useful in comparing one material to another. Materials are ranked on toughness scales, but the values don't actually have any meaning.

    10. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Strength is measured in Pascals (i.e. it is a pressure).

    11. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      None of those properties are "strength".

      When you compare to steel, it's almost always tensile strength.

    12. Re:10x Stronger than X property??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First a consistent definition for strong/strength is needed, because it depends on which property you are talking about. Tensile strength, toughness (more energy sense), fracture toughness for cyclic loading... etc. In the simplest sense strength is independent of volume. Unless you want to deal with statistical stuff, which is based more on fracture mechanics than say, tensile load tests.

  11. Uh so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strength is just one of many properties.
    Stiffness and toughness are very important.

    Glass is a great material, it's stiff, and strong, but isn't very tough.
    Plastics can be extremely strong and tough, but might not be very stiff.

    Then you have to consider design flexibility, repairability too.

    Cost is also an issue, for manufacture, and for repair.

    I wonder what advantages this paper has over other composite materials (glass, aluminum, boron) or even existing carbon products

  12. from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by starglider29a · · Score: 2

    Can it give Superman a paper cut?

    1. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

      Yes, but not Chuck Norris.

    2. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if it would be strong enough to hold Gort. After all, "KL93" was also supposed to be stronger than steel.

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    3. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by dmbasso · · Score: 1

      I want to know if a Ginsu knife will cut it and a tomato with the same ease.

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    4. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Bruce Lee is dead and he can STILL kick Chuck Norris's* ass from beyond the grave.

      *What the rule for the possive plural when someones name ends in S?

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    5. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now all we need is some white ink.

    6. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      In the style book my wife has to use for teaching in the State of Georgia, the way you posted is correct. However, when my wife and I were kids, we both learned to omit the final s: Norris'

    7. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not plural.

    8. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:from the is-there-anything-it-can't-do dept... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I want to know if a Ginsu knife will cut it and a tomato with the same ease.

      [Gee, I'm old... now get off my lawn!]


      The new take on that is now the "Yoshi Blade" which is a ceramic knife. (And a laundry list of "do not do this, that or the other thing with the blade". Along with S&H charges that are almost twice what you supposedly pay for the knife.)

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  13. How does this compare to aluminium? by martijnd · · Score: 1

    Aluminium is 3x lighter than steel.

    If this material is 10x lighter than steel we would be able to build among others much lighter aircraft.

    Of course, I hope we don't have to glue the plane together from A4 sized pieces of "paper".

    1. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Before you going making planes out of it, find out how it handles repeated stresses. No need to build more 737s that have moon-roofs.

    2. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Of course, I hope we don't have to glue the plane together from A4 sized pieces of "paper".

      Well, I hope you never travel in a Boeing 787.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_(fiber)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber_reinforced_plastic#Composite

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    3. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft. I've been making airplanes out of paper since 1st grade.

    4. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      As someone pointed out earlier, it is still carbon. Building a plane out of coal will make for interesting-to-contain fires at disaster sites after crashes.

    5. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      glue the plane together from A4 sized pieces of "paper"

      Haven't you heard of Origami?

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    6. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      There is more to a material than it's tensile strength. Failure modes, amount of plasticity before failure, compressive strength and many other factors are important.

      For example, one of the reasons high strength concrete isn't used very often is that it's failure mode is instantaneous (rather dramatic too) rather than crumbly. As a result there is no warning when it fails whereas regular concrete begins to crumble and drop debris, a very visible and noticeable sign of failure allowing time to evacuate.

      So when someone says X material is ten time stronger than steel the next question should be is what one way is better and in what other ways is it worse. Just as an example, steel has tremendous tensile and compressive strength. If this has no compressive strength it's uses are highly restricted

    7. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what. Aluminum and kerosene burn too.

    8. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Stop posting and talking. seriously, just stop. Open up some science books and read.

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    9. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If only there was an article that list the other properties to some degree.

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    10. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh, ohh I can look at a base element and make insane observations too!

      As someone pointed out earlier, it is still carbon. Building a plane out of diamond will make for easy-to-contain fires at disaster sites after crashes.

      Lets look at computers!

      As someone pointed out earlier, it is still silicone. Building a computer out of sand will make for an expensive paperweight that can't do any semi-conducting

    11. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 1

      Since we're on a "didn't do his research kick", Go look at what charcoal (real charcoal, not briquets) is made out of. (hint: graphene sheets)

      While you're out there, do a quick run by of "graphite" and "burn". the stuff doesn't ignite easily, but it burns like a motherfuck once it does. do a look at "graphite" and "Chernobyl" while you're out there for some interesting reading.

      I'll accept your apology once you're back.

    12. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      The space shuttle's landing gear is specifically not made from aluminum because aluminum wonderfully burns. In fact, its one of the primary elements of thermite. The space shuttle uses titanium rather than aluminum for its landing gear.

    13. Re:How does this compare to aluminium? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      I did some quick checking about found graphene's combustion point is roughly on par with diamond. Which basically means, by the time you're concerned about graphene's fire risk, something else has already gone horribly, horribly wrong. Its not a serious consideration, especially given that this material would like be use in conjunction with epoxies (which in of themselves can also be fire retardant) and other materials (plastic, aluminum, steel, or titanium).

      I don't think an apology is due or forthcoming.

  14. Space goats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this finally be the answer to economical production of space goats? Traditional materials used for the space goat's electronic brain have either been prohibitively expensive, in short supply, or simply not strong enough to survive in the harsh environs of outer space. This seems to have all three bases covered! Hopefully this means that true, space faring, robotic goats will be something that we see in our generation's lifetime, and the dreams of our ancestors will come true. I, for one, look forward to a future of space-goatin'.

    1. Re:Space goats? by sideslash · · Score: 0

      Of course mechanoid cosmic caprines have been an area of intense ongoing research at NASA and complementary foreign agencies over the years. But just because an entire nation wills something to happen doesn't mean it is likely, or even possible. We'll have to wait and see if these advances in material science hold promise for this most urgent of potential breakthroughs.

    2. Re:Space goats? by sideslash · · Score: 1

      Troll? Tough crowd. At least _I_ thought it was funny (though I had and still have no idea where GP came up with it).

  15. The implications of this are staggering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millions of games of rock-paper-scissors will need to be replayed.

    1. Re:The implications of this are staggering by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      actually, if you think about it, this FINALLY makes the game make sense.

      who knows what the shearing force resistance of this new stuff is, common scissors may still be able to cut through it. on the other hand, there is finally a good reason why your average rock can't just rip through the center of it, which was always the weak point of the traditional rock-paper-scissors. there was never a good reason that paper could withstand rock. if there was, any houses at the base of mountains or volcanoes would be made out of paper.

  16. a statement without context by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    has no meaning

    spider silk is also stronger than steel. meaning what? give us the actual conditions under which the statement is rendered, and stop pushing the science lite for idiots

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  17. Now, make it transparent... by JavaBear · · Score: 2

    If they could not make it transparent, it would be really revolutionary. Considering it's "just" carbon, it does have that potential...

    1. Re:Now, make it transparent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they could not make it transparent, it would be really revolutionary. Considering it's "just" carbon, it does have that potential...

      Don't be silly...everybody knows carbon is black black black. have you ever tried to make a window out of barbeque briquettes? I have. It doesn't work.

    2. Re:Now, make it transparent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then it would be a diamond and no longer two dimensional.

    3. Re:Now, make it transparent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it lost the double bonds, it wouldn't be graphENE and would there for not have all the niftiness it does and instead would be more like polyethylene, which despite the ENE, has not double bonds and is transparent. significance of the double bonds? light absorption.

  18. This can probably be improved further by zrbyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As somebody working with graphene and having read the paper; IMHO this can be improved even further by improving the micro-structure of the material (less defects). Less defects could prolly be achieved by annealing at a higher temperature (in vacuum or argon). Also irradiation with high energy ions could be useful in improving the interlocking of the graphene layers.
    Of course higher annealing temperature would make the material more expensive.

    1. Re:This can probably be improved further by Evildonald · · Score: 0

      *dubious*

      I can't believe any scientific statement that includes the word "prolly".

    2. Re:This can probably be improved further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      By "less defects" do you mean "fewer defects" or something else?

    3. Re:This can probably be improved further by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

      ...Also irradiation with high energy ions could be useful in improving the interlocking of the graphene layers...
       
      If my calculations are correct, a 62.4% increase in efficiency would be gained by simply reversing the polarity and then bombarding it with an inverse tachyon pulse.

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    4. Re:This can probably be improved further by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      What about "pram"?

      I have to push the pram-a-lot!

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  19. 'Stronger' is a prett general term by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    Malleability, Ductility, Tensile strength, Hardness, Abrasion resistance, Brittleness, Thermal conductivity, Thermal coefficient of expansion... they mention some of these, but the list goes on quite a ways.

    It might be nice and light and easy to cover an airplane with, but if the plane hits a pebble on takeoff will it shatter a wing because it's really brittle? If same plane soaks up a bunch of rays sitting on the tarmac in 110F deg heat, does the stuff expand by a factor of 10? Likewise, when it gets to 40,000 feet does the stuff contract by the same amount? Another issue is shipping the stuff from Australia to wherever.. what kind of carbon footprint comes with the manufacting process and shipping it? Is adopting this stuff mainstream going to heat the planet even more?

    I'm sure the stuff is made of awesome , but just sayin... it would be nice to see a little more in-depth info.

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    1. Re:'Stronger' is a prett general term by PPH · · Score: 1

      Don't forget electrical conductivity. Get struck by lightning, or have an arc burn a hole in it when a breaker fails and then what happens?

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    2. Re:'Stronger' is a prett general term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. what kind of carbon footprint comes with the manufacting process and shipping it?

      Big enough footprint to crush hippies.

    3. Re:'Stronger' is a prett general term by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      "Do you know what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else!"

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    4. Re:'Stronger' is a prett general term by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      That's a really good point. Some aircraft can't legally fly if it gets too hot, specifically because of its composite construction. That means an afternoon departure from Arizona or New Mexico may be prohibited. There's a nice little sensor your check during pre-flight. If its red, your flight is scrubbed.

  20. Since we do not FTFM! by bobs666 · · Score: 1

    "Graphene offers many advantages over steel â" itâ(TM)s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength." -- Ya, right from the Article.

  21. Statistical Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As a material scientist there are several things about this article that should immediately set off the hype alarm.

    1. Graphene is a single sheet of carbon -> this material starts off as graphite, and ends up as graphite. Despite the fancy processing and techniques they have devised, the sample is the thickness of paper, not the thickness of a monolayer of carbon atoms.

    2. Failure is a statistical process. Although you can make a sample with great properties, when you scale up to the size of a structural component for a car or a building you will find that the strength decreases dramatically. Imagine the material as a sheet of linked chains. When one chain breaks the ones around it are under more stress and are more likely to break. With a large sheet, you are likely to have an area where several chains are broken together and this crack will propagate throughout the composite. The main thing holding back carbon nanotubes (and carbon graphite sheets) is not cost, it's this statistical failure problem.

    Until you see a Weibull plot showing applied load versus probability of failure, don't invest too heavily in structural nanomaterials. Carbon fiber is still king of composites.

    1. Re:Statistical Failure by zrbyte · · Score: 2

      Graphene is a single sheet of carbon -> this material starts off as graphite, and ends up as graphite. Despite the fancy processing and techniques they have devised, the sample is the thickness of paper, not the thickness of a monolayer of carbon atoms.

      The thing here is that the graphene layers are interconnected by covalent bonds. This improves the mechanical properties because the graphene planes can not slip and slide on each other as a result of strain on the sample.

  22. Now by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

    All some bright fool needs to do is figure out a way to glue it together like cardboard, and we'll never be able to get our parcels open!

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  23. as thin as a sheet of paper by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    ...but 10X stronger than a sheet of steel. If these can be used as stationery, gone forever is the excuse: "the dog ate my homework"

  24. darn by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    still not strong enough for the space elevator tether... so meh

    1. Re:darn by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Good. D not want a space elevator. When it comes down, and everything does, it will be disastrous on a global scale.

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    2. Re:darn by petgiraffe · · Score: 1

      Come down? If it breaks, wouldn't it go up? (at least all the heavy bits)

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  25. Those terms are meaningless by name_already_taken · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "it’s two times as hard, six times lighter and ten times higher in tensile strength"

    Well, to the materials scientists I work with, those words sound like advertising more than useful information.

    Two times as hard as steel. Steel in what condition? There is a very wide variety of steel alloys, and these can be heat treated to be as whatever hardness is necessary. Find a piece of mild steel (the kind of stuff you might find at the hardware store) and try to scratch it with something hard. You can scratch it pretty easily, but try again on a piece of stainless steel cutlery and you'll probably find it quite a bit more difficult. Both are steel.

    Six times lighter. Per unit volume? Ok, but how do the other characteristics compare given the same volume? Or given the same weight? The article doesn't give any real detail or any frame of reference.

    Ten times higher in tensile strength - again, if you want to compare to steel you need to give the alloy grade (grade refers to composition, not quality), and the heat treatment - anyone who's bought nuts and bolts at the hardware store has noticed that these metal items are available in different strength grades even within the same basic metal family.

    Those claims sound just like those given for aluminum - it's lighter (per unit volume), stronger (per unit weight), etc. But, in service, where toughness (ie. impact resistance, the ability to deform plastically before fracturing, etc), steel beats aluminum hands down.

    Not that I'm a big fan of steel or anything, it's just that these comparisons are often incomplete and therefore meaningless. It's too bad the article writer didn't include any actual mechanical property values.

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    1. Re:Those terms are meaningless by TempestRose · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (Slightly) More detail can be found at http://jap.aip.org/resource/1/japiau/v109/i1/p014306_s1?isAuthorized=no#tabs_1_113_1274104113_tab1 Cookies and subscription required for the full article, but they mention "carbon steel" as the "steel". So, I'm guessing they are comparing it to standard Home Depot, untreated, general grade crap mild steel. So, yep, marketing/fundraising talk.

    2. Re:Those terms are meaningless by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Its a short blurb in a web site that is devoted to design. If you put specific measurements with units in this article, you will confuse the shit out of your readers, and interest them not at all. Just take a look at the page with the editors and writers... they're not exactly scientists.

      I agree that it's not very useful for materials nerds, but this is a way of ensuring that this material can be taken up in application. They can always look up the details if they really need them. In that way, the article is useful, just not if you want hard facts. Slashdot is mostly meant for computer nerds, not materials nerds, so there are probably really smart people here who don't care about the measurements so much either.

    3. Re:Those terms are meaningless by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      So go read the damn research paper itself if you want all those details. Offhand, I'm betting they didn't pick the softest alloy of steel they could find though. Probably either the most common or one used in places that the graphite sheets could be used in.

    4. Re:Those terms are meaningless by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 1

      The last time you should have gotten a teat stuck in your mouth just because you knew how to squawk was before you could even talk, let alone write.

      Slashdot has pointed out something for you that you may not have found on your own for a good long time. Be grateful for the heads up.

      Now go do the friggin research yourself. And think about posting the links here, in return for getting an early advisory about the subject.

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    5. Re:Those terms are meaningless by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Every time I hear stronger I think more or less the same thing but I also ask another question: "Are they saying that it's harder in which case is it more brittle or are they saying it's less brittle in which case is it too soft?"

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    6. Re:Those terms are meaningless by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Offhand, I'm betting they didn't pick the softest alloy of steel they could find though.

      Probably not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the measurements are for 'mild steel', which is about the most common one. Compared to other alloys, it's actually pretty lousy in every way except 'cheap'.

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  26. Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speeding by decora · · Score: 5, Funny

    bullet, if the bullet is fired from a WWII period carbine with standard powder load. More powerful than a locomotive, specifically an R100 with a half-load of diesel traveling on level ground, with standard moisture conditions. Able to leap tall buildings, that is any vertical structure with a height of 2,000 meters or less, in a single bound, a bound beind defined as a vertical motion impelled by a single push of the foot against the earth, being level with the first floor of the building's entrance, and also considering stable wind conditions, standard humidity, temperature, and pressure, and no precipitation.

  27. Wet Paper Bag by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    Finally -- the answer to those tough guys who say that I can't punch my way out of a wet paper bag!

    Who can't punch their way out of a wet paper bag now, tough guy?

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  28. Starts expensive, gets cheaper by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steel is the most recycled material on the planet. It is also plenty strong for most applications. So my question is, how much does this super-nano-paper cost? That will be key in its success.

    Steel was once incredibly expensive, a rarity only kings/warlords possessed. Aluminum was once so expensive it was mainly used in the luxury goods of the rich. I think the key to success is usefulness. Cost has more to do with how quickly that success occurs.

  29. Rearden Metal? by darkjohnson · · Score: 2

    Perfectly timed, I must say.

  30. Housing? by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    Obviously if it can be made durable enough it might be a wonderful housing material. A cardboard like wall of this stuff might mean the end of wind storms destroying walls and roofs. It also sounds rather ideal for car and truck skins. And a new trombone made of this stuff might also be very interesting. Trurning a 2.5 lb. musical instrument into a three oz. instrument that resist destruction would be a blessing.

    1. Re:Housing? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Tensile strength of the material isn't what destroys homes in wind storms. It's the horizontal force applied by the wind which shears the structural material from it's fasteners (in this case the plywood shears the nails). For roofs there are two failure modes, either the roof decking has enough uplift to pull the roofing nails or the entire roof truss is sheared off the wall connections.

      Having a material with ten times the tensile strength of steel isn't going to stop wind from tearing walls and roofs off unless it's used to make the nails.

    2. Re:Housing? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      'Course, if you went through and screwed in hurricane straps all over the place...

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  31. Superman... by MarvinIsANerd · · Score: 1

    ...the man of Graphene Paper!

    Hmm... somehow it doesn't have the same ring...

  32. hazmat? by eagl · · Score: 1

    Sounds like it has great physical properties, but what about potential hazards? What happens when it burns or is crushed/shredded? Does it burn violently or excessively hot (or cold)? Is the smoke toxic? In mutilated form, does it release toxic or otherwise hazardous particles? Can you handle it with bare hands, and can you handle a torn edge with bare hands? Can it be disposed of normally? What about resistance to solvents and/or petroleum?

    If the stuff is hazardous, then it's going to have some severe limits in practical use. The risk of hazardous exposure is going to have to be weighed against the benefits for every application, and hopefully we don't see irresponsible use of a new technology just because it's new. Some of the abuses we see of carbon fiber and li-po batteries in applications that routinely expect to get damaged are examples we shouldn't follow, if this stuff is dangerous when damaged or burned.

    1. Re:hazmat? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Graphite is stacked layers of carbon. Graphene is just one of those layers. What's the "lead" in your pencil do in all those circumstances? The only real issues are going to be the normal ones with nanotech: How's it treat cells, does it irritate skin, are there problems with breathing it.

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  33. Bicycles? by AntEater · · Score: 1

    How long until we see bicycle frames manufactured out of graphene? Stronger and lighter than steel? If it has reasonable durability and flex qualities then I'm looking forward to it.

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    1. Re:Bicycles? by vawwyakr · · Score: 1

      Carbon fiber bikes already cost quite a bit...I have the feeling Graphene bikes might cost closer to a car than a bike.

  34. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

    Able to leap tall buildings, that is any vertical structure with a height of 2,000 meters or less

    Not much of a limitation. That's more than twice the height of the Burj Khalifa.

  35. Coming too a bookstore near you... by srbell · · Score: 1

    Kit plane in a book! The instruction manual doubles as the airframe construction material!

  36. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by bjohnso5 · · Score: 1

    I'm glad someone finally put all that ambiguity about Superman's actual abilities to bed. My hat is off to you, sir!

  37. Recycle! by UninformedCoward · · Score: 1

    And apparently it is recyclable into boots! Amazing!

  38. MAN OF STEEL, TISSUE OF KLEENEX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can crumple or rip steel that thin with my bare hands. Big deal.

  39. Work it harder, make it better! by mrnick · · Score: 1

    "Harder, better, faster, stronger
    N-n-now that that don't kill me can only make me stronger!"

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  40. Airplanes--the other kind by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to start making paper airplanes out of this stuf...

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  41. Commercial paper planes!!! by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    Think of all the uses. Paper hardhats. Unbreakable contracts. Toilet paper that doesn't tear, for really serious <censored>'s.

    Awsome! =)

  42. Military applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this be used to create body armor?

  43. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by petgiraffe · · Score: 2

    Also, why would he ever 'leap' if he can fly?

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  44. "yet incredible durable" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know about everyone else, but I tend down-mod stories that have summaries with basic grammar errors in them. Crap like this on the main page makes ./ look bad.

  45. Strong enough to make a tape to Geosync orbit? by wisebabo · · Score: 1

    10x stronger than steel sounds great even if it is just tensile strength because tensile strength is what is needed to go to Geosync orbit right? Then with the right solar/laser powered "climber" we have our space elevator right?

    I have no idea how many orders of magnitude improvement are needed but I am happy that at least this stuff is being made in macroscopic quantities. (I mean there's an actual PICTURE of it being held by some forceps! Not like the tiny lengths of nanotubes I've heard about).

    By the way, wouldn't this make a great Kevlar replacement? Think of really light body armor!

  46. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    I always figured he wasn't really flying. Instead, he just jumps for a really long time with the ability to change direction in air, like Mario, and even hover for brief periods of time as long as his cape is flapping, also like Mario in the Tanooki suit with his tail flapping.

  47. But,... by Davorama · · Score: 1

    ...does it blend?

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  48. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by kungfugleek · · Score: 2

    Originally, he couldn't fly. In some of the earliest Superman cartoons he's seen not flying, just jumping very very far. Like the Hulk does. A few episodes later in, what I think is the same season of the same show, he is seen flying.

  49. Fighters, maybe. F1... more likely. by jd · · Score: 2

    Jet fighters are made of carbon fibre, so swapping one form of carbon for another isn't going to increase any risks. Swapping for a stronger carbon may allow for a lighter frame, though. The drawback is that graphene is a semiconductor and fighters travel at a high enough altitude that there are potential risks of some interesting side-effects.

    Now, Formula 1 cars are also made of plastic-reinforced carbon fibre. It is always a great challenge to the teams to build cars that are as light as possible and yet capable of meeting safety requirements that are unimaginably stringent. (I doubt there's a single road car that could handle 250 tonne impacts.) Depending on exactly what directions graphene paper can absorb stresses, it's possible that you could devise much lighter cars that also offer superior protection against those unwanted 240mph collisions. Lacking high levels of cosmic radiation or fly-by-wire controls, F1 cars are also much less likely to suffer any ill-effects from unwanted graphene properties.

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  50. Recycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steel is also recyclable...

  51. Summary by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you understand the concept of "summary"? If this were a blog about materials engineering, I might agree with you that such detail is needed. As it is, most people here probably read the summary, thought, "Cool!" and continued reading other articles. Had they had more detailed information, they would have read the summary, thought, "Um... Okay..." and continued reading other articles.

    If you're counting on Slashdot to give you detailed technical information in its summaries, perhaps you're reading the wrong blog. If you happen to be a materials engineer and want more detailed technical information, well, that's what TFA is for. The article, which, incidentally, is actually yet another summary of another article from the University of Technology in Sydney, which is a summary of an article in the Journal of Applied Physics, which in turn is a summary of probably a very detailed thesis or dissertation backed by metric craptons of research data by Ali R. Ranjbartoreh, Bei Wang, Xiaoping Shen, and Guoxiu Wang.

    See how it works? You start with "10 times stronger!" and it's up to you to dig as deeply as you want to in order to find the level of technical detail and/or interest that suits you. Personally, given that I'm not a materials engineer and that "10 times stronger!" is good enough to suit my level of interest and make me say, "Cool!", I'm actually glad that more technical details were not provided.

  52. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by mr1911 · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how many Library of Congresses is that?

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  53. Quibbling by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1

    Any time there's a story like this -- discounting the ones that are obviously bullshit, purely theoretical, and/or glaring violations of the Second Law -- there's a certain number of people who pile on with comments that boil down to, "It's not perfect for all possible applications, so screw it."

    Get used to it. We've already done most of the easy, general stuff. We'll stumble across some more every great once in a while, but from here on out, most of it is going to be hard-won and highly specific, and when it seems like we've made a giant breakthrough, it's going to be the result of countless threads of research converging, not some singular Eureka! moment.

    Of course, it's always been that way to some extent. People notice the first time something is accomplished -- the light bulb, powered flight, organ transplants -- but never hear about or pay attention to the innumerable incremental improvements that are made after the initial splash, even if our daily lives depend on them in ways too numerous to mention. And that still ignores the fact that the "initial breakthrough" is usually the result of years or generations of tireless work.

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  54. Re:Superman! Faster, longitudinally, than a speedi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done sir, perfect capture of the pedants above.

  55. Grammar Bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fewer defects

  56. Sweet! by imscarr · · Score: 1

    So now I can have paper clothes that are bullet proof!

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  57. Recyclable is useless by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 1

    Plastic is recyclable. So what?

    How about more biodegradable substances?

  58. Richochetin' right back atcha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking the military could make vests from this stuff formed with many parabolic shapes. Ricochets would work just like light bouncing off of road signs.

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  59. Read Or Die by CptNerd · · Score: 1

    Does Yomiko Readman know about this?

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  60. There will be a xkcd about this, by formfeed · · Score: 1

    God, is there an internet rule that states that for any reasonably technical topic that there will be an xkcd comic for it? =)

    There is now...

    Necessarily there will also be a xkcd about this

    And since it will be a xkcd about the law that there is a xkcd for everything technical/geeky it will be self-referential. Which will make it even more geekier, if that's even possible with xkcd.

  61. History by stevesy17 · · Score: 1

    Now, truly, paper beats rock.

  62. Graphene (not so) overhyped? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first heard about graphene I thought it was a bit overhyped. I was kind of ok, single layers of carbon, very nice, so what. But it seems it's driving a fair amount of aplicability so I was probably at least a bit wrong. I'm gonna pick the nanopore utility for dna sequencing probably the closer to my background and health.
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  63. Graphene seems to be academia's new darling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we can use a sheet of it to make a CNT burrito that will generate zero point energy?