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Brainstorming Clever Ways To Detect Alien Civilizations
Phoghat writes "In what is starting to become a familiar theme, researchers have speculated on what types of observational data from distant planetary systems might indicate the presence of an alien civilization. Potential indicators of the presence of an alien civilization might include: atmospheric pollutants, like chlorofluorocarbons – which, unlike methane or molecular oxygen, are clearly manufactured rather than just biogenically produced; propulsion signatures – like how the Vulcans detected humanity in Star Trek: First Contact; evidence of stellar engineering – where a star's lifetime is artificially extended to maintain the habitable zone of its planetary system; or debris created from asteroid mining."
Turn off the detectors.. That'll stop 'em.. er. I mean.. ??
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Can we really extend the life of our own sun? I can't even begin to calculate how that would work...
It's funny that most of the methods mentioned in the summary wouldn't detect us.
Either in amplitude or PCM. Neutrinos interact with matter even less than Electromagnetic waves.
They are a bitch to generate (take an awfull LOT of energy), but that is the problem of the alien civilization trying to comunicate, not ours, at least for the time being.
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Potential indicators of the presence of an alien civilization might include: atmospheric pollutants, like chlorofluorocarbons â" which, unlike methane or molecular oxygen, are clearly manufactured rather than just biogenically produced
Clearly? Maybe here on earth. Who knows what natural processes exist elsewhere.
The detection of an atomic bomb throws off a unique signature not found in nature. It's like a power beacon of energy that's a universal sign of intelligence. The kind of signature not normally found in nature. Detect those, and you've got your alien race.
Life is not for the lazy.
would be, IMHO, a large black rectangular monolith in orbit against one of the outer planets...
What I've also wondered is how big of an antenna would we need to detect a communication from a near star, say 50ly. And how much power would it take to send a message that far?
If we can't even see planets, how can SETI expect to receive a transmission from one?
I've asked some astronomy majors about this and received only blank stares. Do they teach this kind of thing in astronomy? What are the calculations?
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I think polution is what you want to look for. If they don't have that then you probably don't want to talk to them anyway because they: 1- are too primitive, have no tech- nothing to trade or steal. 2- are envioro-nazis who will hate us for destroying our enviornment.
How about instead of just trying to detect other civilizations that exist along side us, also trying to detect ones that came long before in the previous Universe. If the Universe is cyclic and there was another universe before our "big bang", one thing we could do is see if the particles around us have some kind of signature to them that would be unexpected. It may not be possible right now for us to make such signatures, but perhaps a previous civilization built large devices close to the end of the previous universe that could explode once most of the matter of the Universe was closer together and give many particles such a signature.
The only thing is, how would you determine if something has a signature to it if you have no basis for comparison. Well I guess you could assume that not all the particles had been hit so the test could be to compare some sub atomic particles of one kind with ones of the same kind, but in a different region of space.
I wrote an article about this 8 years ago. Crazy idea? Perhaps. Sometimes crazy ideas help others think in new ways.
They should watch Star Trek et. al. more.
Or maybe they did just that too much already.
all produced from OUR technology and civilization which were entirely shaped by OUR cultural biases.
had our cultural biases been different, our technological approaches and means would be different too. see, for example we are just starting to use crystals/light as technology, actually in the very places of other technologies we used before. when all these technologies based on light/crystal interactions are advanced enough, they will definitely shape our culture and expectancies too. what if we had had started those earlier ? or, even, what if we did start out with renewable sources of energy naturally found on our planet ? and our entire manufacturing had been shaped with that ?
no - science and technology are not independent of societal biases. ALL kinds of approaches may reach the same ultimate point of whatever it will reach in some unknown future point in time, but, the path traveled would be different depending on bias. and that ultimate point seems infinitely far off for us.
hence the half assedness of approaches.
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I would say the best way is to somehow overcome the slowness of light. If you can get your information faster then we then can speed up the process.
If we can detect broadcast emissions that indicate that sitcoms, game shows and reality shows were once broadcast, but have all now disappeared, that would seem to indicate a 'civilization' has finally developed.
Ah, not quite -- the Vulcans had noticed humans before, but considered them to be insufficiently advanced to warrant further study or interest. When the warp signature was detected they decided to investigate. The moral of the story? It's not so much detecting alien life that matters, but attracting interest from alien life. If it's out there, it's looking for us... for better, or for worse. We just need to give them a reason to say hello.
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Point a large two-way radio disk at the planet and allow it to support Internet dial-up - if we see a sudden rise in troll postings on our blogs, we'll know we found 'civilization'...
The sad reality is that humankind has been quarantined into a small bubble less than light-year across. Everything beyond that is essentially a projection, not unlike a movie theatre. They came, they saw us, they decided - nevermore.
I can find them by looking for concentrations of small ethnic restaurants.
According to this, all alien civilizations ought to be as stupid as humanity. Yes I am sure they will want to pollute their atmosphere to make it unbreathable, destroy their biosphere even though they evolved on the very same planet and the outcome of destroying it is likely to be extremely bad, irradiate their grounds, kill people for the sake of money (and continue to lie to them forever even though their population communicates this to each other). If you are looking for an alien civilization than look no further than earth. They are called the other living things.
A Dyson Sphere would block all light but a massive structure like in Ringworld would cause a dim band around a star rather than the brief dimming that means simply there's a planet. There's no known natural object that would block a region of a star for an extended period. A tight asteroid belt would cause dimming but not block most of the light. Look for a star with a significantly dimmed region or one that appears to be in two parts. Current telescopes would more than likely see most stars are solid even if there was a dim band so when higher powered ones become available it could be another thing to look for.
If they send them back, they're intelligent.
Dyson spheres (or swarms) would probably be the best way to detect an advanced civilization, especially a Kardashev Type II or Type III civilization.
In a Dyson sphere (or swarm) a civilization surrounds an entire star to capture most or all of its luminosity; severely cutting down on its optical luminosity but accentuating the IR luminosity. (The physics of a rigid sphere surrounding a star are pretty challenging, and some sort of swarm or cloud seems more likely, at least to our limited technological understanding.) So, to hunt for a Dyson sphere, you look for objects with an unusual excess of IR, and a lack of optical light. The IRAS IR satellite was used to search for Dyson spheres within ~ 1000 light years of the Earth (producing a handful of so-so candidates). Carrigan calls these sorts of searches "Interstellar Archaeology." They have one great advantage in that they don't require any cooperation from the other end (i.e., no beacons or other signals).
As it happens, I have recently speculated that "Object X" in M33 (the Triangulum Galaxy) could represent the signature of a Dyson sphere / swarm from 3 million light years away. If this (unlikely) possibility were to be true, it would represent the signature of a Kardashev Type III or near Type III civilization. Interstellar Archaeology is the only possible form of SETI across such vast distances.
If you want to communicate with the other intelligent races in the Universe, go help the LHC.
Steps:
1) figure out physics
2) build the most promising communicator or detector
3) try, wait, try, wait, try, wait.
4) goto 2
We're making progress on step 1) but step 2) is far too premature at this point.
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well duh... just look for the golden arches!
Genetically engineer them to assist with terraforming and use robotic fake insects to probe the planet and look for signs of life.
The point is if there is intelligent life, they'll probably be less evolved than insects and certainly wont be able to kill them without us finding out.
And if the planet is so far away that we cannot put probes or genetically engineered insects on that planet then finding life on that planet would be irrelevant since we can't reach that planet physically. So even if we could remotely detect life with some advanced telescope it wont really help if it's across the galaxy.
The 'math' on aliens doesn't really work out in favor of them being anything we can comprehend, much less communicate with, even if you believe as I do that the existence of alien races is almost a mathematical certainty.
Here goes:
Age of universe, something around 14 gy (gigayears).
Age of earth, around 4.5 gy.
(Now, it's reasonably certain that the solar system is actually at least 'round 2' in this neighborhood - due to the presence of trans-iron elements, etc. At least one generation of stars in the area coalesced, evolved, and exploded spewing these deep stellar fusion products across the area. Given the known distribution of these heavy elements, it's likely that the pre-solar-system planetary nebula was created by both ejecta from red giants and multiple erupting giant stars. Giant stars have extremely short life spans, on the order of 100 megayears, so let's consider generously that process took about 1 gy in total.)
So...from nothing to us = ~5.5gy.
Let's assume our evolutionary track and our star are entirely average.
It's taken our planet 5.5gy to produce a space-traveling, sentient species. (No, we're not there yet, but probably less that 500 years, so bear with me.) We as recognizable members of our species have been around perhaps 2 my.
Assuming any other suitable system (and I'd guess that there are hundreds of millions) could do the same, and further assume that the early universe was simply uninhabitable for whatever reason for at least 4 gy. That means any other species is going to be anywhere on the scale of evolution, from say (us minus 2 my) to (us+4 gy). Think about that scale.
If it were represented by a 2 meter stick, all of human existence (2my) is the first millimeter.
You tell me, are we LIKELY to run into a species in the first millimeter of that stick (ie find some species grubbing around as cavemen, once we start exploring)? What are the odds that we brush up against a civilization only a few thousand years more advanced (ie classic "spaceships" and recognizable "explorers", etc) - say something like the next 1 or 2 nanometers on that 2 meter stick?
Or is it far, far, far more likely that other species, on average are likely to be hundreds of millions, or billions of years more advanced than us? Then ask yourself - could we see them, no matter how hard we tried, if they didn't want us to? A *BILLION* years more advanced, presumably with the increasing rate of technological development that we see here on Earth? Assuming they would even deign to watch us, like we occasionally stop and are amused at ants working to busily on the sidewalk...do ants have any idea they're being observed? Could they even comprehend us? They truly would be gods, and (I imagine, by their standards although human logic almost certainly doesn't apply) it would have to be one seriously farked-up individual of theirs that would actually try to relate to we ants. Hell, from that perspective, things we take to be absolutely natural phenomena like volcanoes and earthquakes, could easily be a bored alien adolescent screwing with us.
So that's my case - the likelihood of us encountering an alien race of only a "little" more advanced tech is vanishingly, almost impossibly small. The only caveat would be that this immediate stellar neighborhood, say 100ly radius, almost certainly all an identical 'environment', and the chance of parallel evolution occurring close in time might be even an order of magnitude higher than the 'open' universe in general. But that's an order of magnitude on a very, very small number to start.
-Styopa
Will be slaves of an expanding culture like us or simply will try to enjoy their lives while it lasts? Intelligence don't imply culture, civilization don't imply changing their planet or solar system in a way visible from here.
I suppose that the question of if will ever be able to be surpassed the speed of light could matter here. If don't, will matter very little if we find something weird far away from here. And if the speed of light is not the limit, and they could figure how to surpass it in practice, probably will try to make hard to spot them, always could be around a bigger fish.
We could try instead to figure how to communicate or understand intelligences (whales, dolphins, others) and civilizations (ants? bees?) that are right here to see what we could expect out there and our chances to detect them in our current stage.
If movies have taught us anything, it's that every colony ship ever is bound to encounter some form of intelligent life. Hollywood wouldn't lie to us, right?
they don't want to be found. If I was an Alien I sure as hell wouldn't want to meet humans or be found by them.
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Have they tried getting an astronaut to yell, "Marco?!" really loud out in space?
Sometimes its better to sense and discover, and not communicate. Communication with an advanced alien lifeforn can lead to us being infected by deadly memes/ideas.
At this point, funding is more important than brainstorming. The Allen Array which does much of the basic SETI work is going to be essentially inoperative for about a year due to a severe shortage of funds. See http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/04/25/seti/index.html?hpt=C1. Right now, the main thing that is needed is cash not more ideas. So go over to SETI.org and donate.
We have assessed the conditions and organisms on Earth and decided it wasn't of any interest/use to us.
Please do not waste your resources to look for us.
Yours Truly
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Typical deep space comm channels run into the Ka-band spectrum (26-40GHz). The path loss at 32 GHz, between the two stations separated by 50 LY, is an unimaginably large 416dB. Taking the largest fully steerable dish on earth (DSN 70m dish), running at a communications frequency of 32GHz, 400kW transmitter output, and a communications bandwidth that's good enough for 20 word-per-minute Morse code, one could theoretically close the circuit between an identically equipped station 50 LY distant. You could possibly signal somewhere around 300 baud hayes modem speeds circa 1980 if you really worked at it.
http://www.propagation.gatech.edu/ECE6390/project/Fall2010/Projects/group7/Project%20Website_v3_files/Page550.htm
1) Rotation wobbles more on Friday nights
2) Neon light from dark side
3) Traces of THC in the upper atmosphere
4) SETI calls go into voicemail
1) Intelligent life is fairly common.
2) We are somewhere in the middle of the bell curve advancement wise.
3) Really advanced races harvest stars for their energy and matter.
Thus, all we need to do is look for stars disappearing in an orderly fashion, and we've got the proof (and then we should hope like heck they don't stumble across our solar system with its moist chewy centre)
The detection of an atomic bomb throws off a unique signature not found in nature.
True but the question we then have to ask is do we want to contact an alien civilization that is throwing atomic bombs around...and is there any point given that chance are they will not be around for much longer? Even then atomic bombs are not that powerful considering that the planet is sitting not that far from a thermonuclear furnace many orders of magnitude larger than the entire planet.
If they don't have that then you probably don't want to talk to them anyway because they: 1- are too primitive, have no tech- nothing to trade or steal. 2- are envioro-nazis
From "THE OUTER LIMITS"? If not, do... I *think* you'll love it & especially based on what you've stated (& I've always felt the same, because the SECOND we detonated one? Well, not so long afterwards, this happened too -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington_D.C._UFO_incident ):
Anyhow, just for you (since "great minds think alike")?
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THE FINAL EXAM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvjJYAzwxjE
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... * Enjoy!
APK
P.S.=> I really liked the main character... it's just too bad life made him do the thing he did & I liked how he used the principal of "When a science is ready...?" (see it)
... apk
This step is simple: invent an FTL method of communication.
The reasoning is also simple. If we can have FTL then it is a given that all developed civilizations are using it. Radio is simply too slow. We don't use pigeons anymore to send messages, do we? So why do we expect an alien civilization to spend terawatts of energy and thousands of years to blast radio signals into space?
But if we can't have FTL then pretty much we are prisoners of our star system. Perhaps generation ships can export our genes to other stars, but that is unlikely, and we will never [in practical terms] know how they fared. Ping times of thousands of years are simply out of our time scale, until we all become cyborgs or beings of pure energy.
So that's why FTL is the only possible solution. Anything less is just a waste of money and effort. This effort should be invested into science, in every way possible. Even if FTL is absolutely impossible in our Universe, perhaps we will find a neighboring Universe with physical laws that are more to our liking.
Anything but radio. We'd highly unlikely to find ETs broadcasting in the electromagnetic spectrum at all.
If our civilization is anything to go by, the uptake of fibre optics and low-power short range wireless communication means broadcasting high power transmissions was a brief abberation in history.
Obviously Interstellar communication by light is futile. At best a civilization may do in-system communication by high power highly focused laser beams. We may by chance catch a brief flash of coherent light as a misdirected beam is aimed at our system by chance.
Our own communications infrastructure turns ever inward, becomes more focused and less leaky. To a hypothetical ET observer the earth must slowly falling silent.
After logging in slashdot still does not take you back to the page you were on. It's been that way for 20 years.
When we find alien civilization we will not need subtle trace elements in the atmosphere. Either they will be way more advanced than us, in which case they will prolly just say "hi". Or we will stumble across a planet with odd spectra of light coming off. Some grad student or post doc will publish a paper one this penom and slashdot will pick it up. Then some one will comment that the only explanation for the given observation is civilization. Then CNN will take over and Fox will call them ungodly and we will start the invasion. Simple. ~Ben
Even if none of these planets have intelligent life, its still worth taking a look. A habitable world in another star system say 20 years travel away is hardly too far to "know what happened". A world in another star system that can support human life is a "game changer".
We desperately want to meet the aliens. Unless they are illegal aliens, then they should GTFO.
How about simple light pollution .... (unless it has a thick atmosphere)
It seems that Aliens only want to address us by probing the rectums of trailer park inhabitants. It doesn't seem to be a stretch that Aliens are entranced by rectums and trailer parks.
If we concentrated our search for trailer parks, we are likely to find the places Aliens at least like to go on holiday; and that would be a start!
that there is life anywhere in the universe, than that there may be more life somewhere else in the universe.
If I were an advanced alien civilization, I'd probably need a lot of energy, and I'd probably be doing "star engineering" on a much larger scale than what's suggested here.
I'd modify a star to project its energy in focused beams, like the jets of a quasar.
I'd make a Project Orion powered by supernovae.
If I were a human looking for ETs, I'd look for signs of them in the highest energy interactions that we can see. Patterns? Events that don't appear completely random? etc
I wouldn't look for human-like ideas of life or technology. If I was exploring the seabed I wouldn't think "well, life would have to develop large solar-collecting surfaces to survive in the very dim conditions"... I'd look to where the energy is, like sea vents, where lo and behold!, there is life that is unlike anything that exists on the surface.
Just look for anything out of the ordinary, and once you find it, try to come up with an explanation. This way you'll not only find life (if it exist) but also other interesting phenomena.
Spacefaring civilizations will mine lighter elements from gas giant atmospheres, and dismantle their moons for heavier elements. The debris from the moons will form rings.So look for large ring systems...
Space junk.
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Look for lighthouses err.. laserhouses using wavelengths least absorbed by any stellar gases AND least naturally occurring.
Construct an array of detectors to see if such pulses have shape: are they mere sweeps from a rotating system or are they more complex projections. Angles or jaggies in mid-sweep or something like that.
Jagged sweeps should be unnatural, no?
How about schumann resonances, the 'heartbeat' of the earth? A low frequency (8Hz) magnetic field variation is proof that an ionosphere exists...and that has to be a pre-requisite for life too.
A thriving alien civilization means a whole lotta procreatin' going on. Just check the transmissions for depictions of alien body emissions.
Any thing less than FTL or g-wraps, we are prisoners of the jail called earth.
If these are the criteria, we will never be detected by others: "where a star's lifetime is artificially extended to maintain the habitable zone of its planetary system; or debris created from asteroid mining."
Move sig!
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If the aliens are about as lucky as we are with nuclear power, isotope analysis of their atmosphere might indicate that they were experimenting with nuclear fission at some point in the last couple of million years.
"I'm reading life-signs captain. Approximately 350,000 inhabitants, all humanoid."
Would any of those method cited work for us ? The proportion of CFL in our atmosphere is low enough that it would not even be a blimp in a spectra already noisy due to the interstellar environment it goes thru. I mean what would be the emission peak for CFL for our planet ? Rdiculously low and lost among the rest, and the same for other polluant. As for the rest "propulsion signature" ? Get real, if the physic limitation we know are set, then nobody is propulsing anything big beyond maybe their first moon and planet : they are using either smaller sonde or solar sail. *maybe* we could detect something like that at SHORT range, hello visitor, but at a range of multi dozen light year ? Ha, we would hardly be able to detect it as far as the last of our planetoids goes (or even earlier).
That brain storming sound more like somebody had a marathon of star trek which went too long in the night.
A stellar civilization may need to harness more of the power of its sun. This could involve massive solar power arrays orbiting the star close enough to cast a planet-sized shadow without the gravitational effect of a planet. We ought to be able to spot anything like that, and consider it a possible sign of smarter-than-us life.
If you want to speak to aliens, maybe the best and most practical method is a heroic dosage of some powerful hallucinogenics. DMT or Salvia Divinorum are probably the best bets.
I know a few people that have encountered extra-terrestrials on psychonautical voyages. Although their research is mostly indescribable, it seems they've talked to a lot more aliens than SETI. If you want to be more scientific about it, compare the accounts of diverse and isolated trippers and look for common, anomalous themes of vision. When science fails, ask a shaman.
The fact that now one has discovered us yet makes it very probable that we are the most advanced civilization in the part of universe that is reachable for our means of communication. If someone in this distance were more advanced then they would discover us. What's more as progress is exponential in nature then the probabilities very of being discovered or being the leading civilization are saturating very rapidly along time axis. If any civilization outpaces us more than few centuries then there is now way not to notice them. The chances that other civilization are at the same level of progress is very low, therefore if we were not discovered yet it follows that we should be the first.
What an interesting post, I've thought the same things, especially about colonising our own solar system. Once we get there then we can try to figure out the next step of colonising the galaxy.
I was also considering a situation that *if* there were other civilisations that launched robots to explore the galaxy based on their own versions of AI could they combine over time. Could there ever be a situation where 80 percent of the Galaxies intelligent life is "artificial" and 20% has evolved naturally. Imagine if that is what our AI enhanced explorers discovered.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
That will get their attention.
Look for poor immigration laws?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Instead of detecting alien civilizations, why don't we get off our fat asses and go look?
There you have it, space nutters: APK is fascinated by the same stuff you are.
If that's not enough to slap some sense into you, nothing is.
1. Build a Big Ass Interferometer Optical telescope
preferably in space to avoid any problems with the atmosphere
basically a load of smaller telescopes all joined together / looking at the same target to gain higher resolution
2. Point it at the dark side of a planet
3. Look for any Street Lighting
"Sir - we still haven't found any aliens." ::Hurls chair across room::
"Dammit, McFey, what are you a dumbshit sack of nails? If y'all don't clever up soon I'm gonna have your ass for breakfast - now get outta my sight!"
Three weeks later...
They didn't knew it was impossible, so they did it. - Mark Twain
We have a hard time trying to understand and decipher languages spoken by other cultures even here on our own planet. Do we really think its possible to recognize an alien signal?
http://filya.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/search-for-intelligent-life/ sums it up pretty nicely.
and brainstorm that.
Those that are even somewhat good at math understand that searching for aliens is stupid.
http://youtube.com/jessebvala
sphere!
"Follow the trash" is a surefire formula for finding any advanced civilization. And a civilization advanced enough to push their trash into the infinitude of space without caring is just the sort we're likely to [NOT] get along with. Too much like us.
Not sure I'm getting the point. Neutrino beams, as you say, are a bitch to generate, and just as much a bitch to detect/demodulate (because of the non-interacting-with-matter thing). So why would anyone use them to communicate, when EM based comms are easy?
Change seems to be the only constant of life. Look for a change in atmospheric composition, in RF "noise", in anything we can measure really. The galactic equivalent of a motion detector. Not all change represents life, but it does represent something worth investigating. And, of course, the change might not be occurring on a scale we can measure in a short timeframe (where short would be less than our average lifetime), but it would almost certainly be faster than traveling anywhere with existing technology.
Anything else -- the absence or existence of certain elements -- is even more speculative than postulating a cause for change. The only exception might be something we can be reasonably certain hasn't occurred naturally, such as a signal carrying intelligence (modulation), which is the whole drive behind SETI. The problem with only looking for modulated EMR, is that it limits the domain to strictly intelligent life, which, while extremely interesting, could well be too high a threshold.
The other problem is that given the vast distances of space, anything we discover will be ancient history at best, and quite possibly long gone. The only way we're likely to actually communicate with another intelligent species is if they happen to be remarkably close by, or if one of us masters the manipulation of space-time.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Shouldn't we be trying to detect life first? I've always wondered why we haven't detected absorption spectra for chlorophyll or a similar material (I read recently about the possibility of grey/black leafed plants) in space around stars. If plants are black then they won't leave much reflected light to detect.
you nerds need to stop this crap right now! Me and my family don't need the freakin Klingons bustin' down our door and eatin' our innards. Now go back into the basement and play with your legos and unix scripts.
"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme" - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM 1 YEAR AGO HERE on slashdot -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
Which you have kept up since... Proof? Ok - This week?? Well - tomhudson tells others to do the SAME, even more:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
and, once more, yet again, here this week:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl ?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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You need to see a shink tomhudson... just because you avoid 3 simple questions I asked you that put your in your place here, which you avoid to NO end:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2100524&cid=35924608
and you cannot disprove points I made on HOSTS files though you "hate them" as you say, & I used that to make you out a fool here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2102482&cid=35932382
Doesn't mean you have to "ac stalk & troll me" like some sick freak or petulant child would.
APK
P.S.=> Take your meds, grow up, or whatever it is you need to do (answering & disproving my points on HOSTS files would be nice too, lol, but you CAN'T DO THAT, now can you? Nope... lol!)
... apk
and from the NSA's own site
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf
Listen for reruns...
However you need it to be air pollution for it to be visible. Agricultural and mining pollution tends to be solid or liquid and so will not be so readily detected.
We knew we weren't even the first generation.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
All very nice good stuff - I see one of the authors is at Edinburgh Observatory, so I'll keep my ears peeled in case he ever does any public lectures.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
I'm not sure it's practical to take into account all the expected sources, but a far advanced civilization may be able to communicate by converting energy to mass and back to create a gravitational signal that presumably travels faster than light.
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