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Mystery Air Crash Black Box Found Sans Memory Part
coondoggie writes "The ongoing undersea search of the Air France Flight 447 wreckage had yielded one of the key items investigators were looking for this week: the flight data recorder. Unfortunately, their hopes for more information about the crash were set back, as the robot subs scouring the ocean floor retrieved the box only to find its memory part missing."
the jews got there first.
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Memory Part? Is that a technical term? Also is a missing 'memory part' all that common or uncommon? Could there have been any sort of sabotage?
Oh, no! They forgot to pay the 20$ extra fee to install memory card in the flight data recorder? Bummer!
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Widmore knows!! They're alive!! Linus told me!
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Obviously, Barack Obama's birth certificate stating he was born in Kenya was on this plane. When the Jooz realized this, they called up the Illuminati and had them have Gaddafi plant a bomb on the plane. This was a Majestic-12 orchestrated conspiracy to get us involved with Libya to protect our rebellious young people interest, something which has been declining in the past decades because of rainbows in sprinklers and the chem-trails in the sky.
The missing memory chip only confirms that the Greys were there to teleport the chip to their holographic dimension before the passengers disappeared in the Bermuda triangle, only to be transported to Layer-7 in Dulce.
This then confirms that Kennedy was shot by the mafia to protect the Illuminati-Majestic-12 conspiracy. Also, the chip had the location of the nuclear weapons in Iraq.
Obviously.
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Is this a job for Mulder and Scully?
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But that all went away when it the article made it clear that all that found was the chasis for the data recorder, and none of the actual black boxes, i.e. crash survivable memory units, have in fact been seen or recovered.
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I'm confused. Was the flight data recorder was found, brought to the surface, opened and the memory module was missing (ie not installed), or was the memory module a separate piece of equipment that connects to the flight data recorder and could simply be covered up by other wreckage in the debris field. If the memory module is contained within the flight data recorder, how is this not flagged by the avionics as a problem? If it is a separate piece of equipment, then what is the point of the flight data recorder. It's obviously not recording any flight data.
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The space aliens that shot it down got to it first.
I've wondered for some time why planes don't decentralise this a bit.
For example, stick a 1cc little cube with an accelerometer, gyro, and some flash memory into all of the electrically operated emergency lights.
All it does issit there and log accelleration, gyro readings, and temperature to flash, and rewrites after a few weeks.
This nowadays takes truly modest amounts of power and volume.
Engines generally survive - stick a few dozen in there.
On a more serious note, though, recall that it was malware which brought down a Spanish airliner around that same timeframe. The malware interfered with the diagostic warning systems of the avionics systems (occupired same memory vectors, disrupting warning signals from emitting).
What about them?
According to the 9/11 Commission Report, both black boxes from Flight 77 and both black boxes from Flight 93 were recovered. However, the CVR from Flight 77 was said to be too damaged to yield any data. On April 18, 2002, the FBI allowed the families of victims from Flight 93 to listen to the voice recordings. In April 2006, a transcript of the CVR was released as part of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-04-18/us/rec.flight.93_1_family-members-deena-burnett-flight-attendants?_s=PM:US
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/13/usa.september11
As for Kapparot and Brit milah, they are legal because its a damned religious issue.
The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" This provision was later expanded to state and local governments, through the Incorporation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Outlaw Brit milah and Mohels and you violate the First Amendment.
To answer everyone's question, all they found is the chassis housing the FDR. It connects to the plane's avionics and does the actual flight data recording, which it then writes to flash memory in a separate memory module. It is only important before the crash. The memory module plugs into this chassis and screws on (you can see the 4 screws on the chassis and the screw holes on the memory module's feet if you click on the pic in the link). During the crash, the two got separated. The memory module itself is the part that's designed to be crash/fire/water-proof, and the locater beacon they were listening for immediately after the crash is attached to the memory module.
All flight data should be backed up on Cloud Storage.
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So some sea critter ate the memory chips, specifically? This reminds me of a story about the fish kids in ocean schools: "I can't turn in my homework... I put it on a memory stick and the octopus ate it!"
See what happens when you outsource critical tasks to foreign nations with no knowledge of the consequences of their mistakes?
Or wait, maybe the problem is that the workers who do this are all unionized and don't care about their mistakes because of their protectionism and entitlement mentalities?
In all seriousness, shouldn't this part of the blackbox and its functionality be tested every time the plane lands/takes off? And also, shouldn't the blackbox be constructed in such a way that would prevent the "memory part" from just up and going missing? Otherwise, why the fuck do we have blackboxes? Why even have an NTSA or equivalent for your politically ambiguous region? Without data recorders that do their job, those boys are just working on a big jigsaw puzzle.
On another note, why is there only one such recorder? Why is there only one "memory part"? Why aren't there three, with one that floats and is ejected as soon as any kind of serious impact is detected? iirc they already have locators on them. Why has this taken so long to find? What are we doing wrong? Or has searching for flight data recorders and recreating horrible accidents become yet another make-work job to keep the economy artificially inflated?
Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
Logically: ignorant african immigrants should also be allowed to mutilate their daughters. Same shit, really.
Circumcision is child abuse.
I dislike the Israel thing as much as anyone, but that's like equating Christians with the USA. The USA is not a Christian nation and not all of the USA is Christian. While that is less true of Israel, it is certainly true that all Jews are not Israeli and don't all necessarily approve of their actions. I know you're trolling, but perhaps someone else hasn't thought this through also.
an acceleration of 3400 g (33 km/s) for 6.5 milliseconds. This is roughly equivalent to an impact velocity of 270 knots (310 mph) and a deceleration or crushing distance of 450 cm. Additionally, there are requirements for penetration resistance, static crush, high and low temperature fires, deep sea pressure, sea water immersion, and fluid immersion. [...] big enough to show up on sonar and have an acoustic and visual beacon for 30 days.
This is why the system is so bulky/heavy/expensive that it wasn't practical to embed one in every major aircraft component. The vertical tail piece was found days after the crash, floating on the ocean, but didn't contain any data. FAIL. We've now found the a main landing gear part, big enough to hold data in the support tube and very likely to be separated from any fire, but again it doesn't contain anything.
If the FAA was designing Google's datacenter, they'd use one supercomputer. They'd load it up with expensive components in a futile attempt to prevent it from ever failing. They'd have just one data center, under a concrete dome designed to stop an M-9 earthquake.
BTW, deep sea pressure is no big deal for a silicon chip. As long as the surrounding stuff doesn't cause bending that leads to a crack, silicon will laugh at the Marinaras trench. It's crystal, similar to diamond.
Quick somebody call Trump -- he found the desired object for the birthers; he can do it for Air France. For some extra he'll prolly dig up Hoffa for your too.
Say, how many petrodollars did the 137 Slashdot ID cost?
Same shit, really.
No it's not.
While probably meant as a joke, this is a work in progress and this flight in fact as far as I know did send some messages home before the crash.
But we are forgetting that aircraft are VERY old things. Some of the aircraft you fly in are themselves older then the modern internet and might well have been designed before even the foundations of the internet were laid down.
Even so called modern aircraft are quite old and the aviation industry is not for one for rapid chance. See McDonald Douglas building the DC-10 with OUTWARD opening doors, an aircraft almost crashing because of it, then the same thing happening again because the aircraft company preferred profits over peoples lives. Boeing and Airbus are exactly the same. All aircraft companies have ignored safety advice from air crashes for the sake of more crash.
So, while an aircraft could nowaways be in constant communication with the ground entirely independent from the rest of the aircraft, it won't happen for a long time because they just don't care. Each safety feature introduced requires state intervention and you know how Americans hate that.
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So for those of us who are not aircraft crash investigators wtf does that mean?
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It differs on the (usual) extent of the damage. Otherwise, yes it is.
Circumcision is child abuse.
They didn't found the 'black box', they found its interface to the plane.
Long story short: At first it was an entire block. An it was not solid state memory, but tape recorders for voice (or worse).
Plane crashed, forces distorted the black box and with it the fire/water/etc protection became innefective.
Then they had an idea, let's put the memory in a SOLID CYLINDER of thick metal and with a very thick thermal and shock insulation. Upon impact, that cylinder 'pops off' if the chassis is subject to forces that cause it to distort (really, the cylinder is attached by 4 bolts, it has to be a big shock for it to come off)
Problem is, a cylinder is much easier to get missing, bury itself, and more difficult to recognize among debris, etc, then a big L shaped piece of metal (the chassis)
Personally, mabe it's time for them to get back to the drawing bord. Maybe attach the cylinder t to the chassis using a flexible material as well (so that it stays attached even if it pops off and slow its separation)
how long until
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The USA is not a Christian nation
God's on our money. And pretty much everywhere else. This country is about as secular as it is communist.
Believe it or not, there are other religions that have a god, and it is perfectly possible to live your life here in a secular fashion.
It is DELAYED.
Just like our luggage, never missing always delayed.
They've now found and recovered the missing memory unit:
http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/info01may2011.en.php
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2011/05/01/awx_05_01_2011_p0-317328.xml&headline=Air%20France%20447%20FDR%20Memory%20Unit%20Recovered&channel=comm