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AF 447 Flight Recorder Found In the Atlantic
romiz writes "The memory of the flight recorder for the Air France 447 flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, crashed on June 1st 2009, has been found on the seabed of the Atlantic Ocean, and brought back to the surface in good shape. This is the data recorder, which saves the flight parameters. The search is still continuing in hope of finding the voice recorder containing the sounds recorded in the plane's cockpit."
I wonder how far down it was?
The memory of the flight recorder for the Air France 447 flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, crashed on June 1st 2009, has been found on the seabed of the Atlantic Ocean...
When you look at the twisted mass of wreckage the flight recorder came from, finding the data unit is a miracle. Thousands of feet underwater, working remotely in a pile of twisted metal and they find a little memory unit. I have trouble finding my car keys some days.
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but couldn't this information be transmitted and stored remotely?
Since the recorders are now digital, why have one "data" and one "voice" recorder? Why not have both recorders record voice and data. This way you only need to find one box in case of a crash.
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They'll get paid by Boeing for patent infringement when the 787 starts deep see exploration.
If it ain't a Boeing, I'm not going. Less I'm flying myself, then Piper or Cessna is fine.
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It would be more interesting if I had a piece of pipe and your face,
in close proximity so I could smash your face beyond recognition,
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Oh? One has information that no one else in the whole world has? Or is one just engaging in America first! RAH! RAH! BOEING! RAH! RAH! trolling?
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Does somebody know why it's so hard for them to find it? I would assume that it's properly secured against crashes, and has a GPS/transmitter on board? What causes this to be so hard?
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Hmm, how about from now on they'll just box an iPhone; then at least you know for sure that the location is known
When you shoot a mime, do you use a silencer?
and more if they do deep *sea* exploration
Stolen by sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads!
The fact that they found this box on the bottom of the Atlantic long after it's beacon died out and the fact that it's in good shape is just amazing. Let's hope they can figure out what happened.
The pitot tubes on that Airbus model are notoriously prone to icing. Many Air France flights have had documented hazards due to the inability of the plane to sense and maintain airspeed.
The French government has already opened a criminal case over the crash.
Perhaps it is YOU who should be more informed.
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additionally, flight data recorders do send out a ping for 30 days:
http://boingboing.net/2009/06/03/miles-obrien-bloggin.html
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Because it was 4km under water and radio transmission and reception don't work there? You can't get GPS signals and radio beacons don't work there. Even if you could, the batteries won't last the months it took them to get a ROV there to pick it up.
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Informed you say? as in real information??
Accidents involving scheduled passenger operations:
1945 through 2008:
Boeing: 21.9%
Airbus: 4.3%
Last 5 years:
Boeing 25.0%
Airbus 13.8%
DeHaviland 10.5%
McDonnell-Douglas 8.9%
Last 5 years, aircraft with 75 seats or more:
Boeing 45.2%
Airbus 25.0%
McDonnell-Douglas 16.1%
Tupolev 4.8%
Fokker 4.8%
Avro 3.0%
Ilyushin 0.6%
Embraer 0.6%
Aircraft insurance industry database, last updated 1/4/09
They always open criminal cases on crashes, just in case they're not an accident.
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In the first photo, what does it say on the cylinder? It looks very much like "DO NOT OPEN". They should just put it back where they found it. Remember Pandora?
Yes because they never crash.
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/boeing.htm
http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/b737.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWZQyRUkffk
Never mind cessna, lol.
And of course these figures have to be normalized with regards to the number of flight-hours ecah company has. Perhaps there are more Boeing planes in the air than there are planes built by Tupolev?
c++;
Looking at the percentages, it looks like the data isn't normalized to total travel distance etc. - i find it hard to belive that Tupolev and Ilyushin are *WAY* safer than Boeing and Airbus...
Why don't they put the voice recorder in the same box, that way if you find one you find them both? For that matter, why don't they put two identical black boxes in the plane, that way searchers have a higher chance of finding at least one of them?
There seem to be fewer Airbus aircraft than Boeing, so these numbers need normalising I guess...
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_between_Airbus_and_Boeing (Deliveries summed)...
Airbus 1989-2011: 6175
Boeing 1989-2011: 9429
Why if you have 2 flight recorders do they not have the voice replicate to the data and the data to the voice ... that way it you find one you have the complete data set.
I know "crazy talk" but I'm a storage bod and it irks me when people lose VERY important data!
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That's where the plane went down.
Now, if it had been found in the Pacific or Indian Oceans, or if Jimmy Hoffa or D. B. Cooper were found along with it, that'd be news.
This is a hoax.
As anyone can see, the supposed "boîte noire" is instead "rouge". Probably planted there by Air France and Airbus with convenient data to exonerate themselves of the crash.
Interesting that this was attached to the main unit with 4 bolts which sheared off..
You're lucky, I got a STD from watching it :(
Planes can transmit "in real time" much more information than what they record by using the same satellites used for those fancy global radio phones. That way, everything is captured at the moment it happens, including coordinates, which makes the plane easier to find.
Something tells me the world airline safety experts are already debating the update of recorders to offer redundant multiple storage of ALL data from a plane in case of a crash.
Given the nature of storage density these days, I really doubt it would cost much more or take up much more room to have redundant storage. It would seem to require primarily a couple extra cables and connectors.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that they only found one out of the four flight recorders on 9/11? So where did the other three go? Did they just disintegrate due to the 'deadly inferno' that was spewing BLACK (oxyget starved) smoke?
After all said its still an amazing feat.
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You should have also pointed out that the flight recorded busted open during the crash and the tiny memory stick inside, being dislodged, was flung into the abyss. And, that is why a transmitter in this case could only point them to the general area to search, and why this ended up being so difficult. And, thanks for pointing out that they ping, pretty cool. I hope this sums everything up for the parent.
They also used some needles made of bone, so the magnet was useless. Dunking in water did the trick, hay floats bone sinks.
Anything that sticks out on any airplane is prone to icing. This has nothing to do with Airbus, but with simple physics.....
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The recorder has pingers in it, and even if they go dead, sidescan sonar makes it little more than a matter of time.
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Why don't passenger planes have parachutes under every seat?
Answers along the lines of "because laypeople are stupid hurr" need not apply. Is there good reason which doesn't invoke an argument by authority, point out that 30k feet is too high, or remark that there probably won't be enough time for everyone to get out this way?
Enjoy your rat-feces infested ancient Boeing planes operated by Delta. But don't pick too hard at the chewing gum under the seat because it's holding the plane together.
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"We have access to virtually every kind of information. I found your name on the passenger list of the [plane] that crashed." Arthur was astonished. "You mean they knew about the crash?" "Well, of course they knew. You don't have a whole [airplane disappear into the Atlantic] without someone knowing about it.' "But you mean, they knew where it had happened? They knew I'd survived?' "Yes." "But nobody's ever been to look or search or rescue. There's been absolutely nothing." "Well there wouldn't be. It's a whole complicated [airliner manufacturing] thing. They just bury the whole thing. Pretend it never happened. The [airliner] business is completely screwy now. You know they've reintroduced the death penalty for [airliner manufacturing] company directors?' "Really?" said Arthur. "No I didn't. For what offence?' Trillian frowned. "What do you mean, offence?" "I see."
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There is more than one microphone on any voice recorder. There may be as many as five on some aircraft. Also, degrading the sound quality by lowering the data rate can mask other sounds that are even more critical than a flight crews last words.
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Gee, it would be cheaper simply to not lock the car and simply buy a new one when it gets stolen.
Yes, I know that auto theft is a serious crime, but I don't get this business of conducting a high-speed chase to nab some loser who has stolen a car.
Like I was watching this episode of "Cops" (you betcha I watch it, it shows the whole 'tude of law enforcement), and they are chasing this guy. In a 10-year-old Saturn. I mean they are endangering the public to get this guy who stole a clapped-out GM car.
1) This would help in surprisingly few crashes. Most crashes take place during "normal" takeoffs and landings.
2) Over the ocean, you'd need a parachute AND a life raft. (A dinky little inflatable life jacket isn't going to cut the mustard on the open ocean where hundreds of your fellow passengers are spread over miles and miles of (likely rough) water with NO floating aircraft bits to hold on to. And that's if you survive to get in the raft. Good luck having more than a few untrained people successfully ditch the parachute, swim to the surface, and find their life raft (while fully clothed) before they drown.
3) Over land, there is usually plenty of time to glide to an alternate airport (or smooth patch of ground.) If you have land smooth (and soft) enough to land untrained people in a parachute, it should be good enough to land the plane.
4) If the plane starts to break up, stall due to icing, etc., it would be in no condition to evacuate via parachute, as it almost certainly is not in smooth controlled flight at the time.
5) The plane is going too fast.
6) You can only evac through exits where your tumbling body isn't going to hit anything like the wing or tail.
7) You can't start the evac until the plane hits 10,000 ft or so. Before that the doors can't even open because of the pressure difference, and even if they could, you'd pass out due to hypoxia. (Bad Hollywood movies notwithstanding.)
8) Parachutes are HEAVY. You'd chop the passenger capacity of the aircraft by quite a bit by supplying everybody with a parachute.
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