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ICANN Wants To Change Rules For GTLDs
An anonymous reader writes "The May 10th deadline for comments on the .net registry agreement renewal has arrived with new domain name dispute changes that aid corporations. Instead of UDRP, the new agreement proposes adding the Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) process to the .net TLD. The URS is a quick $200 process for a trademark holder to disable and take ownership of a domain. URS also reduces the panel size from 1-3 people to a single person. You can still comment on the proposal by sending an email to ICANN (net-agreement-renewal@)."
So it only takes $200 and a single bribe to take someone's domain. Thats efficiency!
Incoming department of homeland security, protectin us for the terrrists.
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So now people like Sony can just slap this on, for example, the domain Geohotz was using and it's done- no more website for you. Anti-Sony forum? Bam, shut down. You get my drift. Thanks guys, that's a well thought-out and simply great idea. *facepalm*
They made up their minds some time ago that they will sell gTLDs, and come hell or high water that is what they will do. All the reason and logic in the world won't stop this machine.
The best you can do is find what will replace this broken registry system, and invest in it. Of course, eventually the ICANN idiots will end up in charge of that, and break it, too.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
If URS really will work the way its described at http://www.newdomains.org/news/New_gTLDs_Uniform_Rapid_Suspension_System_URS, it's not as bad as the summary suggests.
It's time to change the whole basis of domain trust relationships. Or, in other words, let's try again to establish a completely separate domain infrastructure.
This is fully possible because there is nothing in the design of the internet protocols that confers power to ICANN and it's corporate teat suckers to own the domain name space. That trust relation exists in a combination of what domain name server each computer chooses to use (in /etc/resolv.conf for Unix/Linux users), and the root zone hints file in the domain name server itself.
Oh, but wait ... the nay-sayers will argue that this will fragment the internet.
And I agree, it will fragment the internet. And that's a GOOD THING. Fragmenting the internet would mean we don't have to deal with corporate B.S. so much. This would then be the people's network. Let the corporates and all their loony lawyer types talk to themselves over the corporate network. We don't want to be bound by stupid rules (like trademarks, patents, and copyrights) that give others the power to take even our very thoughts away from us.
Just start a whole new root zone. Start over with the domain name space. Ban "dot com" entirely (or more precisely, leave "dot com" to the trademark peddlers).
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
We should be willing to allow some title line flexibility in order to properly designate acronyms. You, me, and every salivating spammer with deep pockets all know that ICANN has been calling it gTLD for a long time now.
.viagra domain first, you could make some quick cash for yourself - though afterwards you'll need to use all of it to handle your new deluge of spam. And if you think you can handle it by "just blocking all mail from .viagra", you are sorely mistaken.
Say goodbye to your mailbox, and hello to higher prices for internet access (and all forms of internet business), once the gTLDs go up for sale to the general public.
Of course, if you know how to get in on the
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Of course, eventually the ICANN idiots will end up in charge of that, and break it, too.
But at least that will give us a few years of freedom on the net. When it happens, rinse, lather, repeat.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Nobody should even think about disabling a domain for trademark claims until or unless a court of law where the trademark was registered issued an order that effect or a finding that the domain was actually violating the trademark. One or even three people working for the TLD or ICANN aren't qualified to interpret and apply trademark law. Arbitrarily re-assigning domains is simply bad for business. Also if the domain is older than the trademark it would not be disabled from claims about that trademark.
Well yeah, Germany is a rich country and supposedly has always had a love for gadgetry, so it makes perfect sense.
Saying stuff like "aid corporations" is baiting /. to hate, but it sounds like this will help thwart domain squatter/trolls, which /. is supposed to hate even more.
Why? Germany has a lot of websites for some reason?
Kinky porn and David Hasselhoff.
ICANN Stopped being about the common good many years ago.
The only goal that ICANN has is to make money for ICANN and the registrars that support it.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Yes. For some reason it does. [PDF]
If this becomes widely enough known, I can see a company forming to provide legal protection against attacks of this kind. Register domain, have the company check your domain name against a list of trademarked names. If its not in the list they could offer you a $5 per year insurance plan which will actively protect your domain against any kind of takedown of this kind (so you are protected even if you go on vacation and miss the window to file a defense), if they can't protect your domain, then you get a payout for compensation.
I think corporations are reasonably well protected already. But what about the average person who just wants to register a domain that is taken by a squatter, without having to go through the time and expense of obtaining a trademark?
Microsoft should pay the $200 and seize the entire TLD.
So, ICANN's going from "uniform dispute resolution" to "uniform rapid suspension"? At least they're being honest, I guess.
I'm getting really sick and tired of ICANN. They used to have good people who actually cared about the network like 15 years ago. Today all such members of this organization who matter have long since fled. Now it is just about policies to maximize profits at the expense of the network. I wouldn't be surprised if they felt like they needed to make this change to counter the ill effects of their insane TLD policy.
We should get rid of all the TLDs, not add more. sony.com, sony.net, sony.org is just a source of confusion, and worse phishing sites, for the average person. It should never have been done that way.
http://sony/
http://disney/
etc
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it puts the cheeseburger in its mouth
ICANN HAZ YOUR DOMAIN
Time to offend someone
is there only one DNS? Why can't there be more than one? Why does it HAVE to go through ICANN?
Sums it up really.
it puts the cheeseburger in its mouth
ICANN has cheeseburger?
You almost made me write a new sig, but I'll hold off for now.
"The only goal that ICANN has is to make money for ICANN and the registrars that support it."
Let's rework that famous quote:
"At first I didn't care because I thought it was about a buck for ICANN. Then I discovered the abuse potential but TFA said it was for battling squatters and scammers. I pointed out the potential damage to Your Rights Online but an AC appeared and told me to take off my tinfoil hat. Then the worst case scenario became signed into fact, and it was too late."
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Our society and economy is so messed up as a waste production economy I can see this actually happening. You are spot on that entire industries will form because of this decision. While it "creates jobs" it's depressing. What ever happened to genuine production of value? I can't be the only one who thinks this tower of interdependent jobs is artificial and unsustainable... Artificial market.
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The German Wikipedia has the second most articles of the various language Wikipedias. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
I have also read that German is second only to English in number of books published each year.
Pretty impressive when you consider only 3 countries with a total of a bit under 100 million people make up the traditional German language sphere.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
This is pretty well silly. Trademark is common law, registered, international, national and just about every other sort of monkey court in existence. ICANN may be opening themselves up to some real silly nastiness. The sort of thing they will richly deserve if they go through with this.
How would you make internal domains?
How would you make test domains?
How would you support having multiple roots?
Maybe because they are the largest economy in Europe?
They have a high median income and per capita. They also spend tons on gadgets. So yeah they have a lot of websites.
But this whole plan wreaks.
The fun thing about this misspelling / misuse of yours here is that it works both ways -- both as the word you wrote, "wreaks", meaning to avenge upon or inflict, as in wreaks havoc, and as the word you likely intended, "reeks", meaning to smell extremely strongly, as in reeks of ripe and runny cheese.
</linguistic_pedant_hat>
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
welp, looks like people will be pushing to take control away from ICANN even further. I knew people were working on a replacement DNS system but way to push that along even faster.
goddamn.
So, if you have a personal domain, get a trademark out on that domain before some bastard corp tries to take it off of you.
How much does a trade mark cost anyhow?
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Only 3? Do you suck at counting?
The following have German as an official language.
Germany
Austria
Belgium
Italy (South Tyrol)
Switzerland
Luxembourg
Liechtenstein
Even if we only count ohe ones were it is the only official language, we get 4.
There are 120 million Native speakers. Another 80 million non-native.
They have been trying for years to take away this guy's domain. So far, the courts have sided with the rightful owner.
I suppose the idea now is to take away the site from the first person who had the idea of registering a site with his name and give it to a corporation that happens to have the same name.
Was that something that had significance back before people found their information through search engines and used URL shorteners to provide compact links to people? Did people actually type significant domain names into address bars? How quaint.
You can still add as many levels of subdomains as you want. I would just get rid of the confusing and useless .com / .net / .org distinction.
http://test1.devel.disney/
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If you haven't sent an email to net-agreement-renewal(at)icann(dot)org, you are not doing your duty as netizens!
So send one, already!
This will merely speed the process. I had a domain I was going to use as a sales site..I bought it and let it set for a while before doing the whole ecom thing. In the meanwhile, a company in a completely unrelated industry offered me some crumbs for the domain..I replied with what I thought was fair, then began receiving the lawyer letters, trademark litigation, and eventually had the domain ICANNed away. The bottom line is, unless you have the legal team, any domain you own can be taken away. Period.
I'm with the other commenter- that was a perfect parlay of a joke, Fred.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
Screw it. Let's see them try to trademark a dotted quad, or an IPv6 unicast addy. Too much to memorize? Most of us can run our own damned domain server on our LAN, and bypass this ICANNdy assed scheme. Hell, I'll hard code stuff into my hosts file if I have to. Or use a third party DNS, preferably with non-ICANN tlds, that are stable and not liable to being boarded by cutlass wielding trademark lawyers. (Arrr!)
If they wreck it, we can fork DNS. We can even ignore it. The Internet, so long as it isn't redesigned to behave otherwise, will still carry the traffic. To date, it doesn't really use domain names.
ICANN has already lost most of its relevance via Google, which is what most people use, every time they want to go to a site. People don't even use bookmarks any more. Making the .net TLD unstable, and unusable, sounds like a great first step, for ICANN to walk the plank.
Have you read parts of the ICANN PDF (second link from this overview page)? Start on page 25, but pay attention to page 29. First, your domains are frozen by the registry, and your registrar is obligated to freeze your whois information. You have two weeks to respond -- hopefully you don't receive email at a frozen domain! Also, hope that the authoritative nameservers any of your domains (URS targeted or not) use are not frozen!
The UDRP process was more transparent, often used larger panels of arbiters, and domains under complaint were not disabled until the UDRP process was complete. The URS describes some unnamed Third Party provider to process the URS request. Where is the transparency? The provider should be required to be open and publicly post all of the filings, requests, and responses. They should also require multi-person teams to not concentrate so much power in the hands of a single individual. It should be modeled after a judiciary system with checks and balances. I'm not saying UDRP can't be streamlined to process bulk requests and even short the response time, but two weeks is very short- especially if your email is disabled at you must wait for the certified letter.
URS is a -- claimed to be guilty, freeze your domain, then prove your innocence -- process.
Those are subdomains. I did not say test subdomains, I said test domains.
Maybe I want to have my.company.ops. Would I now need to register fakecompany, just to do some testing?
The distinction is not useless, you just do not understand the use.
I see the confusion, you misspelled "taste". I don't think we will miss domain tasting.
No tasting implies that I want domains that other folks can resolve. I want domains that only my internal set of DNS servers know about. I want to replicate all of my company.com stuff to company.int and use that for internal QA testing. No one outside my lan would be able to resolve or talk to those machines.
Well what would be stopping you? .com .org and .net in the wide world stop you from setting up your testing domains?
You are right, I don't understand the problem.
If you control your DNS server you can resolve anything. company.int, company.whatever.the.hell.you.want.
Why would the lack of
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This is the problem with privatisation. If you give something over to a private interests to manage, they will relentlessly manage and re-manage the company in an effort to extract as much remuneration in bonuses,etc for themselves as they possibly can. Instead of simply following their brief and running the quiet, efficient operation they promised you, a private company will cut corners, invent new side businesses, change their brief, and eventually derail the organisation from its original purpose. They will then expect you to bail out the smoking wreck of a functioning institution which you used to own.
The entire operation that is now ICANN, all its basic briefs and functions, was once run by one man, Jon Postel. Now you can spin it any way you want, but even with the growth of the network since 1994, ICANN should consist of an office with perhaps 20-30 people to perform the same task today. That would be an efficient operation.
Instead ICANN has almost 200 employees, with the organisation being overload with dozens of vice presidents, boardmembers, and other useless executives who are paid over $200,000 a piece, probably for having absolutely no computer science or networking knowledge whatsoever. And of course these wasters are going to come up with new bullshit revenue services, regardless of the resulting damage. Gotta pay for that third mansion somehow!
My understanding is that Postel performed his functions in his spare time.
Remember that scene in Wall Street, when Gordon Gecko gives that speech in front of the paper company's 33 deadweight, overcompensated vice-presidents. Guess what; Telstar paper is real, real and profligate in the modern era. We are all surrounded by Telstar papers and their creaking boards of well paid wasters. And Gecko? Apparently he went into finance in London. God help us all.
May the Maths Be with you!
Because they could conflict with valid ones. I want a tld that cannot be valid for testing purposes. It honestly sounds like you don't really understand DNS. If each domain was its own tld, than my use of .int would conflict with a real existing tld of some company. Three letter tlds would all be used.
The entire operation that is now ICANN, all its basic briefs and functions, was once run by one man, Jon Postel. Now you can spin it any way you want, but even with the growth of the network since 1994, ICANN should consist of an office with perhaps 20-30 people to perform the same task today. That would be an efficient operation.
I think you hit the nail on the head there; ICANN is bloated and mismanaged. However I think one could also make an argument that not only is ICANN doing a lot of functions that it didn't do before, it is also doing almost none of the functions it did originally.
There was a time when if you had a complaint to level against a registrar, you could do it through ICANN. They had the power to strip a registrar of their right to sell domains. Now, ICANN is - as you point out - run by business goons who came from the registrars themselves. Hence you bring up your registrar complaint and ICANN turns a blind eye to it because they make more money by doing nothing.
However on the plus side, selling gTLDs is seriously letting the wolves into the henhouse. This is good because it will help to bring about the end of ICANN as people will rapidly lose faith in it and seek out an alternative. The key is finding a reasonable alternative that will handle legacy requests without being so epically short-sighted and profit-obsessed.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
have a few reserved words.
int, internal, lan, intranet, print, printer, printserv, printserver, fileserv, fileserver, email, mail, extranet, irc, chat, private.
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First my question wasn't intended to "bait flames". Second, I was surprised because I figured it would be China or Japan with the highest number. Or .biz or .tv
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Why is this so hard for you to understand? Use your own domain as the rightmost component and use subdomains. Is that so hard? Or if you just cannot get over that on an aesthetic level, pick a testing tld that you don't care if it conflicts, such as 'test-domain'. Yes, you won't be able to resolve the "real" test-domain if there is one.
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ICANN Stopped being about the common good many years ago.
The only goal that ICANN has is to make money for ICANN and the registrars that support it.
Trust me, the registrars do not get squat. ICANN and the registries make all the money. Registrars on average make about $1.20 profit per year, per domain.
So how do I setup alternate roots?
GTLDs are not just about right and left, they have a purpose that you clearly do not comprehend.
So, this would be the new "one pitch, you're out" model?
(With an adjunctory "three strikes" model in that repeated occurrences cost you any future right to appeal/respond.)
Contrary to the propaganda, the U.S.'s IP demagoguery is making it (and organizations it touches/controls) untenable for business, except for a quickly resolving group of oligarchs.
*sigh*
My original post was to ELIMINATE gTLDs. GET RID OF THEM.
You just want to argue about something I never said.
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The whole point is to make them (like MSM) irrelevant.
And, I suspect GP means internal/private/home domains AOT actual subdomains (which could be virtual hosts called anything)
I'm posting to anon believing it goes to dev/null
and will provide me the means to reference my opinon/thought on something few if none will read.
Regardless, removing the need for having to maintain an identity in triplicate as a penalty of domainnames is reason enough to find a better way.
Having no real control, let alone real ownership, of this wordcombo-cum-extension leaves your image/brand/identity (goodwill) leakey and unreliable.
I envision the adoption of IPv6 as central to the fix. Next would be wide-spread adoption of GPG keys and supporting public keyservers which could be used to auth IPv6 DNS records. The authenticity and confidence of the (signed) keys, combined with TLS/SSL serverhost keygs, would replace the need for IPv4 DNS (maybe?)
Heck, gpg info could even be embedded into html docs, rss feeds and the like. Messages to different levels of keyholders(?).
GPG signatures and keys; associated to the v6 addr of the serverhost and even (perhaps) the server.
xould shift domain names (wordcombos) to a different paradigm. The DN would become a Name field of a key on a keyring.
The URI would be contained in a key field and translate into a URL. Extensions ending in tld names would rollback to IPv4 translation.
IPv6 DNS servers could be supported via private usenet server, or gopher, or fidonet.
They could also be adopted by major supporters of decentralization, greater choice, more transparency and lower costs.
I agree that a catalyst is necessary to make this happen and I know what that series of events entails. But thats another subject.
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