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National Academies Release Over 4,000 Free Science Books

Shipud writes "The National Academies Press are offering all their books for free in PDF format. These are all the publications of the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, Institute of Medicine, and National Research Council. Lots of great stuff there, and now for free."

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  1. Do they have the truth about electricity? by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Electricity. You can't explain that. http://i.imgur.com/4hfC6.jpg

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    1. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by glodime · · Score: 1

      That was published in a real book?

    2. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 1

      The publisher's page: http://www.bjupress.com/about/look-inside-science-4.php

      You can view some sample pages.
      And cry.

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    3. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, yes:

      http://www.bjupress.com/about/electricity-is-a-mystery.php

      Oddly enough combining Christianity with science resulted in a science book that'll leave kids thinking that Jesus is busy each night towing the Moon in to the sky so we'll have a nice bit of light.

      They have a point in that we may not have full explanations, and have to infer the existence of something from its effects rather than direct observation, but in the context of this book it's pretty clear they're a bunch of religious nutters looking to indoctrinate rather than educate.

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    4. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

      That seriously HAS to be a parody of religious beliefs! There is no way the author is serious about the stuff that he wrote.

    5. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We're talking about people who believe that some long-dead bastard child of a divine being is going to be waiting after death to bring them to eternal happy land in the sky. Some of them gather each week so a guy in a robe can magic crackers in to the flesh of this guy so they can eat it.

      With that foundation I'm more surprised that people are as sane and competent as they appear to be.

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    6. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by uncqual · · Score: 1

      It seems rather ridiculous, but for balance one should also read the publisher's explanation of this page here.

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    7. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2

      For balance it's better to read a bit more of the book. Why would a serious science book attempt to ascribe a reason to the moon's creation, let alone claim that it was created by God so that we would have light?

      It's a pretty amusing attempt to shoe-horn Jesus in to science by over-playing gaps in our knowledge, and in places being downright dishonest. All standard stuff from the playbook of the liars for Jesus.

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    8. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by katyngate · · Score: 1

      Is there anything exactly wrong in the posted jpg?

    9. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Yes. The reference to Psalms is a bit odd, although not unexpected given the context. Even accepting that this book is intended for kids it's still amazingly over simplified. Electricity in this book could easily be the force from the Star Trek universe. Reading this one would think that electricity's magically appearing in bulbs without anyone knowing anything about its origin.

      Contrary to what the book says, we know far more than how to bring electricity forth. I'm not sure if they're serious there or if it's just sloppy writing.

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    10. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Electricity in this book could easily be the force from the Star Trek universe....

      fail.

    11. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by pnot · · Score: 2

      Even accepting that this book is intended for kids it's still amazingly over simplified.

      You're too kind. It's plain wrong, as is their CYA explanation on their website. They point out that we can't see electricity (true) and infer that therefore nobody can understand electricity (false). I mean, "We cannot even say where electricity comes from. Some scientists think that the sun may be the source of most electricity. Others think that the movement of the earth produces some of it." There's no way to recontextualize that to make it anything other than just plain wrong. As you say, it's basically The Force, or Magic in any crappy fantasy novel (*good* fantasy novels tend to have a more coherent model for any magic than the one these guys put forward for electricity).

    12. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      On a related note, are any of these books suitable for teaching science to high school students?

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    13. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by glodime · · Score: 2

      I read the explanation page of the author and then reread the page posted to imgur.com. I have to say that it is a piss poor attempt to make the original publication sound reasonable after having been called out for trying teaching absolute non-sense to 4th graders. The explanation page is thoughtful. If only as much thought went into the publication of the supposed textbook on basic science.

    14. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by DavoMan · · Score: 1

      ...Electricity in this book could easily be the force from the Star Trek universe....

      Gold.

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    15. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough combining Christianity with science resulted in a science book that'll leave kids thinking that Jesus is busy each night towing the Moon in to the sky so we'll have a nice bit of light.

      Oh, dunno about that. I remember when, as a kid send to Sunday School where they gave this sort of "explanation" of the moon, my immediate thought was to ask why God had put the moon in an orbit that was only visible on average for half the night time, and spent half its time in the day sky where it's not needed. You'd think that, if God is all-powerful, He'd have arranged to have the moon stay exactly opposite the sun in the sky, so that it was always full and always shining at night. Doesn't that seem like rather sloppy design (or implementation if you prefer)?

      Somehow, the Sunday-School teacher(s) didn't seem to think this was an interesting question, and didn't even try to answer it. But I eventually learned that astronomers had good explanations of how the Earth-moon-sun system worked, and were honest enough to admit that they didn't know why it's all set up that way. So I went with their explanation rather than the Sunday-School teachers'.

      I did like the suggestion that, when they were created, the sun and moon had orbits that were exact multiples of each other, but over the eons (millennia?) the solar system has gotten badly out of alignment. God is too busy with other things to do any maintenance, giving us the incommensurable orbital periods that we see today. It seems that God just can't be bothered with our part of His creation any more ...

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    16. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Something to do with fucking magnets.

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    17. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I know you're trying to be a smartass, but as a faithful and devout Catholic, I can say you understand Catholic beliefs better than a lot of Catholics themselves do. Make of that what you will.

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    18. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough combining Christianity with science resulted in the history of Western Civilization.

      There, FTFY.

      Just because a lot of current Christians (e.g., the Fundamentalists) have some weird and fairly novel ideas that Christianity and science are at odds with each other doesn't mean its true. That isn't to say there haven't been issues along the way (like Galileo) but the reason Western Civilization totally took off, while many other societies stagnated or declined is precisely because Christianity, specifically Catholicism, is compatible with science and reason in ways that many other religions fail. For a much better summary of the idea, see Pope Benedict's Regensburg speech from a few years ago.

      Meanwhile, I downloaded several books last night and found a couple I would like to buy. John Derbyshire has written two really excellent books about math that I have read and learned a lot from. They are both definitely worth reading again: Unknown Quantity and Prime Obsession.

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    19. Re:Do they have the truth about electricity? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Cheers. Yeah, it was a bit if a cheap dig. Been off the smokes, so the mood is a bit flakey.

      I wish people would learn a bit more about the past 2000 odd years of Christianity and Church history - if only to better understand what they're believing in. I'm in Ireland, where the majority are Catholics who think that the Council of Trent is a place in England where people go to complain when their bins haven't been collected. Shame.

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  2. Are any of these actually useful? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    Eg, looking for a math book and all I see is shit like "Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics Faculty"

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    1. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      ohhh, poor baby. So they don't have "The Idiots Guide to Mathematics" for you?

      Looks like the idiot's guide to not being a douche wasn't available either. :-\

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    2. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by jdpars · · Score: 1

      I think the point here is that most of these books don't matter to the general public, even slashdot visitors. While one or two of us may like each of these books, honestly, with that selection, there's no point posting that here.

    3. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by pieisgood · · Score: 1

      There are repositories of math books on the net you can download. They have every level of math. From beginners algebra and calc all the way to differential geometry and graduate analysis texts. But are you really prepared to read something like Rudin on your own?

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    4. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the idiot's guide to not being a douche wasn't available either. :-\

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

    5. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Agreed. It looks like these are all (or at least mostly) "think-tanky" fluff works for PHB and 'policy-makers'. Calling them "science books" seems to be overly generous.

    6. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by arikol · · Score: 1

      Nope, I looked.

      But seriously, 4000 books on science, most on an advanced level, and this guy whines because he couldn't get his coursebook in basic math. That's called whining.

    7. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks like the idiot's guide to not being a douche wasn't available either. :-\

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

    8. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by arikol · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I checked it out and there are many books within my fields there. There are books on computer development, interface development, interface analysis, science methods, aeronautics, etc, as well as general books on methodology.

      Quite a few developers here on /., and quite a few scientists.

      While you are absolutely right that this news may not be exciting to the general public, it seems perfect for a sizable part of slashdot readers.

    9. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Keep in mind that the NRC is charged with doing research for congress; hence, most of what they put out is related to policy issues that were being debated at the time when the study was made. That being said, you can get some insight into how congressmen might be thinking about our nation's policy issues by reading NRC reports.

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    10. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Have you actually looked through the catalog? There really are few, if any, books on advanced math or science. They are primarily policy recommendations.

    11. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by hoytak · · Score: 1

      That's cause it's in the general "math, chemistry, and science" category which is full of books that apply to all three. You have to go to the specific categories to get the good stuff.

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    12. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by hoytak · · Score: 1

      Err, make that "math, chemistry, and physics", which is even more broad.

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    13. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor was the idiot's guide to irony.

    14. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by hoytak · · Score: 2

      Err, make that "less broad." I really shouldn't have had that last coffee; it just makes my submit button spontaneously pressable.

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    15. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Neil_Brown · · Score: 1

      I took a quick look, and saw several that appealed to me - indeed, appealed enough to convince me that it was worth registering.

      Heck, if even one person reads something which they would not otherwise have read, I'd consider this a success.

    16. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colossus to Guardian
      2x1=2
      3x1=3
      4x1=4
      5x1=5
      6x1=6
      7x1=7
      8x1=8
      9x1=9
      10x1=10
      1x2=2
      2x2=4
      3x2=6
      4x2=8
      5x2=10
      6x2=12
      7x2=14
      8x2=16
      9x2=18
      10x2=20

    17. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by formfeed · · Score: 1

      Eg, looking for a math book and all I see is shit like "Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics Faculty"

      Does this have any numbers on how many /.ers sitting in mom's basement are male?

    18. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Looks like the idiot's guide to not being a douche wasn't available either. :-\

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

      Nor was the idiot's guide to being original.

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    19. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, make that "less broad."

      Considering that the original complaint was about "Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics Faculty", I think you mean "fewer broads".

    20. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by arikol · · Score: 1

      yes I have looked, but not through the math book selection, not my field.

      There are quite useful books there in the multiple fields in which I have an interest, including research methodology, research ethics, cognitive neuroscience, and more.

    21. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      Look at the NRC animal nutrition series. Very useful and definitely not for PHbs. I will be downloading "Nutrient Requirements of Horses".

      I don't think there is a volume on nutrient requirements of policy-makers, though. They just get whatever is in the public trough.

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    22. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So let me get this straight: you chastise a poster, claiming that such literary gems:

      "Mathematics Learning in Early Childhood:Paths Toward Excellence and Equity"
      "Reengineering the Survey of Income and Program Participation"
      "Struck by Lightning: The Curious World of Probabilities"
      "Strengthening the Linkages Between the Sciences and the Mathematical Sciences"

      are "advanced" books on par with the texts of Walter Rudin, John Milnor, Georges de Rham, Shiing-Shen Chern, and many others, and then, when you get called out, you claim that you're actually ignorant of what constitutes "advanced" mathematics, as it's not your field.

      How about you fucking keep your comments to yourself the next time you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    23. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by arikol · · Score: 1

      ooooh... you know how profanity. Wow. Impressive.
      No, mathematics is not my field, I'm limited at statistics and research methodology. Not very cool, sorry. But let us examine this a little.

      the original post is:
      "re any of these actually useful? (Score:1)
      by larry bagina (561269) Alter Relationship on Saturday June 04, @20:54 (#36338036) Journal
      Eg, looking for a math book and all I see is shit like "Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics Faculty""

      See that?
      "re any of this useful" (well, yes, actually. To quite many people)
      "looking for a math book (unspecified) and all I see is SHIT like "example of a book""

      Next time, read the original comment before leaking your profanity into the comments. The whiner who just got access to 4000 science books is ungrateful because he could not find a book that he likes in a specific field of a specific complexity at the moment the system goes live. After browsing through (and possibly even managing to type in the search box) he judges what he finds as shit just because the book he found is not in his own field.

      That IS moronic. And he probably does require a dummy's guide. Possibly a Dummy's guide to searching websites, coupled with a Dummy's guide to not being a whining little bitch.

    24. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by arikol · · Score: 1

      And I do know that the books I found in my own fields are relatively advanced (useful, in any case) and in some cases showing some bleeding edge work which is what is and will be useful to industry in the coming years.

    25. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Lehk228 · · Score: 2

      > Implying congressmen are capable of thinking

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    26. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by CompZombie · · Score: 1

      I consider it a success because its harder to find up to date material freely available for expert-level subject matter. This is going to be a huge help to alot of people, I think. There's plenty of material on entry level science, math, etc. Good that you can can continue your self-education with more advanced material.

    27. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Whose mom, and how big is that basement?

      Rgds

      Damon

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    28. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by ivi · · Score: 1

      Sure one on Chem Lab safety & another on how to use & care for lab animals (& I've only been looking for 9 min's...)

    29. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by DavoMan · · Score: 1

      yeah exactly. the idea here isn't that we go 'yay we've got a whole lot of science books for free'... the idea here is that we go 'yay' because we can see the ins & outs of how science has been performed when influencing government decisions.

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    30. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There is such a thing?

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    31. Re:Are any of these actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      confirmed for APK. Your quoting style is more unique than C64_love's. Try harder and be more careful next time.

  3. Not exactly "free". by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't "Free as in Freedom" it's "Free as in Promotional".

    FTFA:

    Printed books will continue to be available for purchase through the NAP website and traditional channels. The free PDFs are available exclusively from the NAP’s website, http://www.nap.edu/, and remain subject to copyright laws. PDF versions exist for the vast majority of NAP books. Exceptions include some books that were published before the advent of PDFs; books from the Joseph Henry Press imprint; and in cases where contractually prohibited, such as reference books in the Nutrient Requirements of Domestic Animals series.

    So, you can download them to your computer, but you can't (legally) make a copy for your friend... This isn't the free as in "land of the free" that I grew up learning about... seems like a trap to me. "How did you know that without ever buying our book or downloading our PDF? You must be a sea faring rapist and murderous theif!"

    Let me know when it's released under a CC license, then I'll think about downloading it.

    1. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you type that comment from a Lemote Yeeloong? If not, your BIOS is in shackles and you should be looked down upon the same way you look down upon others for downloading this material.

    2. Re:Not exactly "free". by BitterOak · · Score: 2

      So, you can download them to your computer, but you can't (legally) make a copy for your friend...

      No, but you can point your friend to the website where he/she can download it, which is almost as good.

      But I have to echo what a previous poster has said: most of these books look useless to ordinary people. They don't seem to be textbooks so much as policy recommendations. Has anyone found any useful books in this collection?

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    3. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's licensed this way for understandable reasons. These people still have a business to run, regardless of profit status. Thanks for informing us that it's not PD or CC licensed, but I don't want to hear how ou hate commercial licensing so much that you won't even settle for a free book under one. That's plain ridiculous. Just link it to your friend, it's your upload bandwidth anyway.

      Sheesh, it's this level of exclusivism that gives FOSS proponents a bad image.

    4. Re:Not exactly "free". by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      +1 funny.

      I've actually encountered people who think this way for real.

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    5. Re:Not exactly "free". by artor3 · · Score: 1

      "Boohoohoo, why don't people give me everything I want, right away, for free, in the format I demand, no strings attached!"

      Have you ever heard that you're not supposed to look a gift horse in the mouth? If people give you free shit, you don't accuse them of being devious bastards laying a trap. You say "thanks" or "thanks, but no thanks".

      Let me know when it's released under a CC license, then I'll think about downloading it.

      I am sure they await your approval with bated breath.

    6. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll wait til someone bundles them in a single 600MB or so torrent and get them that way. Their ideas of legal and information and downloads are simply irrelevant.

    7. Re:Not exactly "free". by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At what point did knowing what recommendations are being made to congress become useless for the general public? Is the public supposed to just let the government do what it does, and never stop to take a look at what their congressmen are being told or what they are doing?

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    8. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wasn't this modded Funny?
      Oh wait, freetards actually think this way, carry on...

    9. Re:Not exactly "free". by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      So, you can download them to your computer, but you can't (legally) make a copy for your friend...

      Where did you get that idea? Ever heard of 'fair use'. Even if you decide that giving a copy to a friend would not fall under fair use then all hell breaks loose if you tell your friend to go download it from the same (free, openly available) site that you downloaded it from?

      This isn't the free as in "land of the free" that I grew up learning about... seems like a trap to me. "How did you know that without ever buying our book or downloading our PDF? You must be a sea faring rapist and murderous theif!"

      Who pooped on your doughnut today? What kind of trap can you make up over a freely downloadable, not DRM'd or locked PDF (other than it's a PDF, this being Slashdot and all).

      You've been snorting too much of that Stalhlman stuff. Go buy an iPad for penance.

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    10. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your computer hardware is tied up in a patent network you asshat. Let me know when you decide to stop using your proprietary hardware. Triple asshat.

    11. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's obvious that he was just saying most of it is highly specific stuff that's way over the heads of regular people like him (and me). Not that they're useless to anyone.

      Or were you just looking for a reason to preach to the choir?

    12. Re:Not exactly "free". by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did. Lost Crops of Africa vol 1-3 and Lost Crops of the Incas. Informative, although definitely a narrow topic. When you think science books you think more like textbooks with broad overviews and lots of information, which these certainty are not. If you're deep into a specific area, some of these will be useful. If you're just some normal person looking to learn more about something,well, these aren't exactly Light and Matter. I found a number of things on genetic engineering next to them, but skimming them, these are scientific, and they're books, but I wouldn't exactly call them science books, more like reports on the state of the science and policy ideas & suggestions than anything. I can see how these would be useless to the average reader.

    13. Re:Not exactly "free". by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      Their stern language is mostly Anti-Troll. It's about making sure that idiots don't doctor up copies that then somehow get viral exposure thus leaving them to counter 50 media calls about "why does your book say that?"

      They encourage pointing friends to direct links. You can make download-link pointer pages. If your friend wants a hard copy, you "make it for him" as a service transaction. "I'll make you a copy from Kinkos for the price of the materials".

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    14. Re:Not exactly "free". by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      I assume that you are aware that all these books were produced at US Government expense?

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    15. Re:Not exactly "free". by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't exactly call them science books

      They said "science books", not "popular science books".

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    16. Re:Not exactly "free". by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Since I paid for these books via tax dollars, let me know when it is public domain and I'll think about downloading it.

    17. Re:Not exactly "free". by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "At what point did knowing what recommendations are being made to congress become useless for the general public?"

      Somewhere around the start. Since the general public has little or no real influence on the actions of congress but rather only influence how to spin their choices at election time there is no particular reason for the general public to pay any attention.

    18. Re:Not exactly "free". by shaitand · · Score: 1

      These aren't free books. I paid for them via tax dollars. I have every right to demand they be PD and the world would be a better place if everyone else did as well.

    19. Re:Not exactly "free". by ivi · · Score: 1

      So, nothing stops you from sending copies of LINKS to anyone you think might like to download some NAP books...

      nor should you have any problems publishing web pages of just titles, links (to NAP's site, for each book) & maybe review comments on some or all of the listed books.

      That's freedom enough for me!

    20. Re:Not exactly "free". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're public policy manuals. I've dug into the roughly 100 books on Astrophysics and Astronomy. There is very little information regarding either in any of this material. 3000 pages and nothing I'd call Astrophysical, or Astronomical, well other than the amount of money we spend on determining (of all things) how much money we should spend on things. No wonder the private sector is kicking Nasa's ass.

    21. Re:Not exactly "free". by matunos · · Score: 1

      So I guess you also don't read any commercial books, then?

    22. Re:Not exactly "free". by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      At what point did knowing what recommendations are being made to congress become useless for the general public?

      At the point when congress stopped giving two hoots what the public thinks and just going along with whoever suppplies the most hookers and cocaine.

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    23. Re:Not exactly "free". by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 1

      I assume that you are aware that all these books were produced at US Government expense?

      What gives you that idea? The National Academies are private organizations and the books they publish do not all result from federally funded research. Even so, the only publications that are automatically public domain are those of US government employees, regardless of the funding source.

    24. Re:Not exactly "free". by Dabido · · Score: 1
      It's also not

      " all their books for free in PDF format."

      It's merely all it's books in PDF format for free, which is a far cry form 'all their books'

      I also can't see a way to list all the free books either (maybe I missed it). You have to go to a book you want and see if it is available in PDF'

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      Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
    25. Re:Not exactly "free". by jgoemat · · Score: 1

      What exactly are you wanting to do with these reports that isn't allowed? Ever hear the expression "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth?"

  4. does it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but does it blend? ZING! Nailed that one, haha.. didn't see that one coming did you!!

    1. Re:does it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, yeah that was pretty good. Bravo.

  5. This gives more citations, - i.e. it's a win-win! by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This gives more citations, - i.e. it's a win-win!

    What do you cite if you're on a tight budget? The free stuff, not necessarily the most "relevant" stuff (said the cynic, in me, too); here, the relevant stuff may be cited in the free stuff, so why not, the logical chain is there.

  6. Studies & Policy Recommendations by Aero77 · · Score: 1

    If you are doing 'research' that needs to reference previous public studies, this is great news. (If you are associated with a university or large institution you probably already had access it). This is not the place for discovering how something works (hint: try wikipedia), this is a place for discovering how we use something and what it means for the public.

  7. A wonderful trough in which to wallow by wb8wsf · · Score: 1

    Yes, these books are useful.

                Coming from academia there are some rather obscure subjects
    there, but why not read about the handling and management of
    chemicals? That which is not common is still useful. I daresay
    that skipping over the more "odd" things is an inditement of the
    educational system. Reading that which doesn't interest you at
    first is a great way to learn new things, just as reading political
    views you don't agree with might broaden your ideas.

            Me, I'm going back to trough now. I only have about 50 of
    them,

    1. Re:A wonderful trough in which to wallow by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      Their server is decent too. Considering they survived a slashdotting without blinking, I'm already up to a gig with about 300 books.

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      My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
  8. In other news. 10,000 bibles were given away ... by terbo · · Score: 1

    Keeping the opposition about 5,000 leaps of faith ahead.

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    New Expletive: IS

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    If you're interested in facts I'll tell you what they are and I'll give you sources - Chomsky on The Big Idea
  9. Torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Please won't someone download all of these and post a torrent?

  10. If your research is covered, this is very helpful. by Penicillus · · Score: 2

    Very often, the books and papers from NAS, NAE, IOM and NRC provide excellent references by the best people in the country and are very good evaluations of current research, and how we got there. In my work in indoor air quality microbiology, I downloaded one of their books (a page at a time), and the references and reviews were exceptionally helpful in my keeping current and interpreting data. Making their work available for downloading in large units is awesome!

  11. Finally, A Cure for Insomnia Found by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    The titles alone put me to sleep in seconds. I can't help but wonder when various Bush appointees will classify the book titles as a federally controlled substance?

  12. Mountains of Madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mountains of Madness: A Scientist's Odyssey in Antarctica
    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=9848
    has no obvious downlaod button
    but neccessary url can be constructed

    has some H.P.Lovecraft connections
    that's as nerdy as it may get

    1. Re:Mountains of Madness by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

      "*There are a small number of older reports that never had PDF files and therefore, those reports are not available for download. In addition, there are contractual requirements that preclude NAP from offering some PDF files for free. Those include ... books in the Joseph Henry Press imprint."

      Your example is in the Joseph Henry imprint.

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    2. Re:Mountains of Madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm pretty sure, there where PDFs of that book
      as i remember lauging at the possibility of buying the pdf chapter wise at horrendous prices

  13. Cool! That saved me some money. by formfeed · · Score: 1

    I immediately found a book for $99.95 and downloaded it. Saved almost $100!
    I'll come back tomorrow and see if I can find five more for $99.95, so I can buy a new laptop.

    - yep I learned logical reasoning from the music industry.

  14. Are they under a CC license? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html
    "An Open Letter to All Grantmakers and Donors On Copyright And Patent Policy In a Post-Scarcity Society ... Foundations, other grantmaking agencies handling public tax-exempt dollars, and charitable donors need to consider the implications for their grantmaking or donation policies if they use a now obsolete charitable model of subsidizing proprietary publishing and proprietary research. In order to improve the effectiveness and collaborativeness of the non-profit sector overall, it is suggested these grantmaking organizations and donors move to requiring grantees to make any resulting copyrighted digital materials freely available on the internet, including free licenses granting the right for others to make and redistribute new derivative works without further permission. It is also suggested patents resulting from charitably subsidized research research also be made freely available for general use. The alternative of allowing charitable dollars to result in proprietary copyrights and proprietary patents is corrupting the non-profit sector as it results in a conflict of interest between a non-profit's primary mission of helping humanity through freely sharing knowledge (made possible at little cost by the internet) and a desire to maximize short term revenues through charging licensing fees for access to patents and copyrights. In essence, with the change of publishing and communication economics made possible by the wide spread use of the internet, tax-exempt non-profits have become, perhaps unwittingly, caught up in a new form of "self-dealing", and it is up to donors and grantmakers (and eventually lawmakers) to prevent this by requiring free licensing of results as a condition of their grants and donations. "

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  15. Meh by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

    It requires a registered account to download the PDFs. And, to be honest, I wasn't much excited about the titles either. Are there any gems that are really worth making an account for?

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't require an account. Simply put herp@derp.com and it gives you access to download.

    2. Re:Meh by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Are there any gems that are really worth making an account for?

      Not for you.

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      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    3. Re:Meh by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      Actually, it doesn't. You can download as a guest. It will ask for your email and name, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything to verify them.

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      un-ALTERED reproduction and dissimination of this IMPORTANT information is ENCOURAGED
    4. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the most minimal signup ever. All it takes is an e-mail address (real or fake) and a password.

    5. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems it's not mandatory to register an account actually: I've just downloaded as "guest" a couple of books.

      Regarding the quality of the works, well, it's an open discussion. The books I've downloaded - computer science papers regarding networking - were pretty dated and just few pages. Normally I wouldn't buy out a "book" out of it.

      If I go to my ex-University CS library I can browse and access more material.

      Seems to me more a marketing move than an actual resource.

      My 2c.

  16. No parody needed... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Read something very similar from a local (Bosnian) version of a religious "textbook".

    Only this one was about plants (as in trees) being food-factories.
    The fun part: science has no fucking clue how do "the juices" get pumped from the ground, up through the trunk and into the branches and fruit.
    "There are several theories, but none of them have been able to provide the answer."

    That particular one is from a Muslim "textbook". Others are not much different. It's a built-in defect.

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    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  17. Re:narrow topic by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    (With light parody of one of the texts)
    The Slashdot Community forgets its own arguments over time.

    This is one particular publisher releasing its archive. It's Academia - the stuff that used to cost $200 per book, which made us all furious at the Book Scam. Now they have released every single one of their texts for download, and the whole point is that you can convert it to text from the PDF. Every one of these can become a podcast. If you and five buddies like it/them, you just have a LAN party and you each download your books.

    All those Intro to X books are covered elsewhere. These are the specific topics that you have to read several of, and read between the lines, to really extract the useful parts. Ah yes, this is Slashdot, we champion the art of not reading long texts!

    The bigger point is if the OTHER science publishers ALSO released their collections, you could get your favorite Intro to X books from the Houghton Mifflin branch of whoever owns it now. Then you have the best of all worlds.

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  18. Re:account by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I think I saw a "continue as guest" option but really, just sign up and get some street cred in the academic circles.

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  19. Gift horse's mouth by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    So, you can download them to your computer, but you can't (legally) make a copy for your friend... This isn't the free as in "land of the free" that I grew up learning about... seems like a trap to me. "How did you know that without ever buying our book or downloading our PDF? You must be a sea faring rapist and murderous theif!"

    More evidence for the theory that no good deed goes unpunished. The +5 informative is just sad.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  20. Re:good deed by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2

    You're on to something.

    You can either browse them on the site by topic, or even play the fun lottery game I found called "guess the ID number". I'll get you guys started:
    8 10 11 13 15 19 21 22 25 30 35 40 41 54 55 56 58 61 63 75 80 81 86 91 92 100 101.

    They made the books absolutely as clean as they could, no DRM, it extracts to text for podcasting, and so on. However we have a surprising number of people in the thread under their logged in names saying "meh, it's not a torrent so I can't share it".

    We have a variant of the True Scotsman fallacy going on here. This is literally a Million Dollar archive (assuming new horrid academic prices of some $250 average per book). But 30% of the thread comments are "why is this not a torrent?". And there's the secret. Lots of torrenters don't ever plan to exhaust the materials in their torrent. They just like having it like collecting mushrooms in a video game.

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  21. Re:good deed by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, I can see where a comment like "no torrent?!?" makes sense - someone appreciates that it is being shared, and would like to help take a small fraction of the load/cost away from the source, even if they never plan to use the materials themselves.

    For example, I have no plan on upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04, but I torrented it to upload 20gb of each cd on the release day - I have the bandwidth/resources, and it was a way of giving back. Not planning on running Slackware again anytime soon, but I torrented it for a while too when 13.37 was released.

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
  22. Hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, but, .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Gender Inequalities in the Early Education of Environmental Policy - Summary of a Workshop in Provincetown."

  23. Motion Mountain by Ronin441 · · Score: 1

    Lots of these are quite specialised. For a broad intro to physics (up to general relativity and quantum theory), try Motion Mountain:

    http://motionmountain.net/

    1. Re:Motion Mountain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, don't. It's a heap of ass.

    2. Re:Motion Mountain by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Alternate suggestion: Go through the MIT open courseware physics trio. Also, watch any class with Walter Lewman (sp). The chap is a rock star.

      -eag

  24. NAP should use Bit Torrent to offer their books... by ivi · · Score: 1

    - lower download data costs, &
    - they'd have another form of feedback on how popular each title is
        (eg, by the # of [seeds &] peers each attracts, & for how long...)

    (Of course, in time, they'll still need to be the main source... so, it could be a short-term savings.)

    PS If they don't... perhaps people will soon start put together packages of NAP books, for BT distrib'n...?

  25. Aah ah ah aaah ahhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True

  26. Congrats! by danbuter · · Score: 1

    Congrats to the Foundation! Maybe this will get more people to study and understand science. I hope some other institutions follow suit.

  27. Re:good deed by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    There are three good reasons for them to keep the copyright.
    1. They can prevent people from modifying the originals (eg: for political propoganda).
    2. They can still make a few bucks from people who want to order the hard copies for whatever reason.
    3. Attracts people to their website.

    Besides, even though technically you can't copy them I very much doubt they care if you do so in good faith.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  28. Re:This gives more citations, - i.e. it's a win-wi by torako · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure. Every research institute or university has access to pretty much all relevant journals through site contracts.

  29. Re:NAP should use Bit Torrent to offer their books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes please, im looking for this too

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