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Pranksters Post Giant Windows Logo On Hamburg Apple Store
theodp writes "Working calmly in broad daylight and filming their efforts for YouTube posterity, a fake construction crew attached a large Microsoft Windows logo to the black facade of a soon-to-open Hamburg Apple Store. Neat hack in the MIT vein, but next time the crew might want to take along a pic of the Windows logo — with the adrenaline flowing, some of the colors got rearranged and were hung upside down."
... to see hilarity in this?
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This. MIT students have a long and storied history of similar pranks.
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What? They didn't include the video when, 20 minutes later the whole black facade turned blue with cryptic text all over it?
I don't know, a picture of Stallman might have been a better shot. One of the biggest names in OSS over the sign for a company well noted for being the most closed in technology.
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Had it been a penguin, then it would have been funny...
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
No you just don't have to be a faggot fuck, I guess you don't think it's funny do ya faggot fuck?
So, you UK folks just curious...
Faggots are slang for cigarettes in your neck of the woods, yes? So, do you read the above post as:
"No you just don't have to be a cigarette shag, I guess you don't think it's funny do ya cigarette shag?"
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WTF is with the MIT link?
Its Hopeless To Find Purpose.
Have gnu, will travel.
Isn't an inverted flag a symbol of distress?
I doubt MS paid a cent for this. Its like when people put those Apple stickers they get in an iPod/Phone on things. Its not done because Apple paid them to do it. In fact, these people may very well have done this in a counter-culture-ish move of those Apple stickers. Or it could have been some people doing something randomish like a flash mob, or even Apple-haters.
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Yeah, and thats the really odd thing. The colors are mixed up, the green and blue being flipped... but they have different shapes, and the "flare" in the middle means they didn't just install it upside down, it was designed that way. So either this is a double-joke (its the Windows logo... but not), or the pranksters are idiots. Any bets?
It's Hard Teaching F**kin Punctuation...
I think you mean F**kin'.
Hm. Maybe this is secretly a marketing scheme by Apple. Wouldn't be the first time some crappy "viral" marketing video has tricked itself into a /. story.
As pranks go, it's more of a wasted opportunity-- marking one commercial product's territory with another commercial product is not particularly radical.
That's a feature.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
If only they did it multi layerd..
as each layer was peeled off on the fascade..multiple prompts to surface...
Are you sure you want take this logo down?
This type of application can harm your computer...
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Sase
"It's the opposite of that."
Microsoft pays someone to go do a PR prank like this. Remember when they paid a crew to drop a giant Internet Explorer logo on the front lawn of Mozilla's campus?
Frankly, a company with the corporate culture like Microsoft's pulling stunts like this puts an image in my head of creepy late 30's to early 40's guys pretending like they're in a college frat again.
It's just a prank in my book, didn't damage anything, doesn't change the fact that Apple is building a store there, not Microsoft.
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The pranksters are idiots. There are 4 separate pieces; the green and blue are rotated 180 degrees from their proper position. If only they'd had a windows 7 task bar to refer to...
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
See? It really is hard teaching f**kin' punctuation...
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Oh, you know, things like this:
http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/1994/cp_car/
Palm trees and 8
This is a slight to Apple. Apple has no problem with traditional linux, they have a problem with Microsoft. Therefore, linux geek or not, Microsoft would be the appropriate symbol to paste on an Apple store to get a reaction from their fanbase (Google would probably work also, but not Tux).
Who in their right mind would even try that in broad daylight, if it wasn't legitimate?
Beautiful piece of mischief.
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This was an Apple store, not a Google store. Burn!
Yes, the same Apple that is behind Darwin, WebKit, Bonjour, and countless other open source projects. Don't get me wrong, their iOS devices are a nightmare in this aspect, but OS X is a very open platform.
OSX is open you say? Tell me when I can install it on any hardware of my choice without needing a lot of cracks/"patches", until then its not open but very, very closed and locked. As for Darwin and Webkit, those were made by other people, Apple just bought them out. Not quite the same as making it yourself.
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Since they are Apple's viral marketing team they can't use the Windows logo so they use a knock off. Notice in the article they don't mention it is the Windows logo.
This:
* Ensure that plenty of locals visit the store when it opens. "Hey, isn't this the store that had that wacky prank happen to them a few weeks back? We should go see if there have been any other shenanigans there within the last couple of days."
* Subliminal reminder that Apple can now run Windows if you use Boot Camp.
* It generally makes Windows users look desperate to Apple users, "Wow, they had to deface a store to feel better about their choice in OS". At the same time, it makes Windows users look funny and creative to other Windows users, "Haha! Stupid Apple store. This'll teach 'em! They're going to be so mad when they realize what we did!".
I'll say this, I didn't know they were opening a new store in Germany but I sure as hell know now.
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Mac's can run Windows right? The opposite would more insulting I think in that OS X doesn't (at least not legally) run on non-Mac hardware. Perhaps find a vendor that has abandoned linux as a factory install option and rub it in that there is yet another OS that they are denying you :-)
I do, I also know that slavery isn't freedom regardless of what Steve Jobs says about the locked down walled garden.
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pi/2 ... Side note: why does /. not support Greek symbols?
Why not just say 90 deg?
So, again: /. not support Greek symbols, which are widely used by English-speaking nerds discussing any number of STEM fields?
Why does
Or, long form, "why does /. not support Greek symbols, curved quotes, and hundreds of other non-exploitable characters by adding them to their whitelist?"
Alternatively, blacklisting only exploitable characters, or even better, implementing a parser that understands them and lets them be used, but forcibly restores proper directionality?
Answer in all cases is "/. crew is lazy", not "Slashdot is in English".
It is also mildly amusing for those people who can spell juvenile.
I wondered: did they put the colours wrongly for plausible deniability? "Hey, this isn't the Windoze logo. It is a panel of basic colours!"
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
Sure, take the OS X install DVD, which has no serial numbers, no online activation, no DRM, and no other protection, and make a disk image from it. Remove a text file with the name "please don't copy OS X.txt" (or something like that), and then burn the image to a disk.
Boot your Hackintosh and install.
Yes, so many "cracks and patches".
I just place all "Designed for Windows" stickers that I find onto dumpsters and trash bins of various capacity. Does it mean that my sense of humor is far superior to those pranksters (not to mention that I make a valid statement)?
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
And you think it's slavery when people choose to use a consumer product and/or service? This doesn't just apply to Apple - it applies to any consumer or user choice. I'm not sure you fully understand much beyond some distorted ideology where you're seeing tyrants and evil everywhere.
Run along now, the adults are talking.
WTF is with the MIT link?
Relax. It's summer and there are a lot more teenagers on here who have more free time. At least for the next 3 months stay away from Reddit and /. except for brief headline browsing.
*sigh* I said nothing about the consumers of the products or services, I said about Steve Jobs and his comments about the walled garden being the safest option. Instead of reading what I wrote, you have quickly tried to twist my words and shown yourself to be completely ignorant of anything that I posted. User choice had nothing in what I said. Now please leave little troll, the adult are talking.
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I don't know, a picture of Stallman might have been a better shot. One of the biggest names in OSS over the sign for a company well noted for being the most closed in technology.
And no one would have gotten the joke. People would have said "What's up with the dirty hippie on the Apple store"? Everyone knows the Windows logo. Outside of the Slashverse, a few academics, and some industry people, no one knows who Richard Stallman is or what he stands for. And even if they did, it still wouldn't have been as funny as the Windows logo.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
If you wanted to do the obscure, only geeks will understand, kind of joke the BSD devil would have been the things to do. Apple grabbed a lot of BSD code as the foundation of OS-X as such there would be a geek significance to that logo on their store.
However, as you say, nobody would get it. The power in this joke is MS is seen as Apple's principal rival and everyone knows their logo. It was a joke anyone could get.
Alternatively, blacklisting only exploitable characters
A blacklist fails once the next version of Unicode introduces new exploitable characters.
Answer in all cases is "/. crew is lazy"
Yet we continue to post comments here.
A. What? Look up the fifth definition of vein and read the summary again.
B. Humour is subjective. Plenty of undergraduates still worship crap that some realised was childish in grade nine. Sounds like someone's had a bad day.
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For people like you, there's *nothing* short of being Open Source that counts as being anything but "very, very closed and locked". It's a mind-virus that can barely discern shades of grey.
Apple is a very open company. They are far more open than, for example, MS. Just because you can cite one example to the contrary does not make them so super-closed as you seem to think. After all, if they decided to allow install of OS X on non-Apple hardware, you'd just find something else to bitch about.
I do, I also know that slavery isn't freedom regardless of what Steve Jobs says about the locked down walled garden.
Did you already forget that you were calling Mac OS X closed, not iOS? Mac OS X isn't a "walled garden".
No, he addressed what you wrote quite well. But I'll go even further:
iOS, the "locked down, walled garden" that it is, is SIGNIFICANTLY more free for most people than something like Android or Linux in general. What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?
That's the problem with fanatics, they only see things in black and white, and only from their point of view (which is why they can pretend grey doesn't exist).
... 90 deg
What's that?
AccountKiller
Why? They never have in the past. And in a "business environment", you're likely to find value in using proper Apple hardware.
Apple tends to favor the carrot much more than the stick. You must be thinking of the other guys.
Who's running hackintoshes in a business environment? If you need OS X for something specific then you're going to just buy Apple hardware. If your goal is to keep costs down then you won't be running hackintoshes, you'd just go with some flavour of Linux on those boxes, or an OEM copy of Windows.
Did you already forget we were talking about Apple products, an OSX was only one example? Did I say at any point of that comment anything about OSX to single it out? Or did you mentally add it just to make this comment to me?
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That's the problem with fanatics, they only see things in black and white, and only from their point of view (which is why they can pretend grey doesn't exist).
Pot, meet kettle. How is this locked garden more free for people? It has caused a lack of options to choose different programs as Apple has killed just about any competition in its dealing (look about about the small ebook publishers). It hasn't made the iOS any safer, in fact it made it hazardous (look about the sms of death and how it was left open for 2 days and couldn't be fixed BECAUSE of iOS's locked down nature. And don't say it wasn't a real issue, because if you look on Apples forums there complaints for those 2 days of many iPhones suddenly dying and needed to be restored from iTunes, most likely many of them being because the people using them didn't know about the sms of death bug.) And before you try saying that Android is a problem because it's had pirated programs sold on it, remember, that problem was first (and still is a problem) on the Apple App Stores (good look up about the Laguru game and how it took over a week to be removed and they mentioned it wasn't the only game, it was only the one they were highlighting.) How has this been "more freedom" for people? Seriously, how? Granted I don't expect an answer from you because the last time I called you out on your hypocrisy and cornered you with facts you cowarded out and claimed to not read the message.
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with the adrenaline flowing, some of the colors got rearranged and were hung upside down.
Nah, they just didn't want to get a nastygram from both Apple AND Microsoft.
Your brain is not a computer.
Remember when /. used to be first with news like this?
This story was in yesterday's news cycle. Doesn't make it less funny, though.
Let's play Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I'll be Pestilence.
Pretty sure Microsoft isn't a plunky underdog...they do hold the market share in software...besides, everyone knows that they don't compete, they just buy all their rivals.
I have one on my toilet
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Do you know how discussions work? They are based on what was said before.
||||| Apple is closed!
|||| iOS is, but Mac OS X isn't.
||| Yes it is.
|| Nonsense.
| The walled garden is closed!
me: The walled garden is iOS, you were replying to a statement about Mac OS X.
The bold entries are you. Do you even read the threads you participate in?
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That's the problem with fanatics, they only see things in black and white, and only from their point of view (which is why they can pretend grey doesn't exist).
Pot, meet kettle.
Oh, do please explain how I'm a fanatic, can't see shades of grey, or can't see other people's points of view. I'll just sit right here.
How is this locked garden more free for people?
For most people, is what I wrote. It's more free for them because they can do more with iOS than they can do with other systems, like Android or Linux. I figured this would be obvious when I wrote "What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?", but I forgot my audience.
It has caused a lack of options to choose different programs
iOS has significantly more options than Android. And of the options that exist, people have more confidence in, and an easier time using, those in iOS.
as Apple has killed just about any competition in its dealing (look about about the small ebook publishers).
Bullshit. Apple allows pretty much any type of app on the App Store with a small number of exceptions. They certainly haven't done anything close to "killing just about any competition".
It hasn't made the iOS any safer, in fact it made it hazardous (look about the sms of death and how it was left open for 2 days and couldn't be fixed BECAUSE of iOS's locked down nature.
Are you serious? Look at all the malware for Android, and the total of absolutely zero malware for iPhones that haven't been hacked by their users.
As for your specific example, how many iPhones were hit by this? Wow, two whole days, and nothing happened! Do you think the average person will fare any better with Android? Hell, some phones even *can't* be upgraded unless the user hacks it! And very few people are going to seek out their own updates from the "community". Most people will just update when the phone asks them to (and often not even then).
And don't say it wasn't a real issue, because if you look on Apples forums there complaints for those 2 days of many iPhones suddenly dying and needed to be restored from iTunes, most likely many of them being because the people using them didn't know about the sms of death bug.) And before you try saying that Android is a problem because it's had pirated programs sold on it, remember, that problem was first (and still is a problem) on the Apple App Stores (good look up about the Laguru game and how it took over a week to be removed and they mentioned it wasn't the only game, it was only the one they were highlighting.)
"Hey, don't say I'm wrong!" You're just making shit up here. And Lugaru is your example? ONE iOS pirated app, that Apple pulled in a reasonable amount of time, is even *remotely* similar to the *loads* of pirated software for Android?
How has this been "more freedom" for people? Seriously, how? Granted I don't expect an answer from you because the last time I called you out on your hypocrisy and cornered you with facts you cowarded out and claimed to not read the message.
*WHAT* hypocrisy? You haven't called me out on *anything*. You have not pointed out even one hypocritical thing I've written. As for me not replying to, don't take it personally, you probably just weren't that interesting. And I've already explained how iOS provides SIGNIFICANTLY more freedom for most people.
Like I said, what good is a little bit of additional "freedom", if you can't make use of it?
Me: OSX isn't open on the hardware level, show me the hardware it runs on openly. (haven't said anything about the software level, like programs and such)
Do you understand what your talking about? You've twisted what I was talking about just so you could go on some rant, for what? To make yourself feel better? Your the one who turned this into an difference between iOS and OSX's software openness. All I pointed out was about that hardware, the HARDWARE. But you in your blind fanaticism wanted to turn this into something completely different. Someone made a comment about freedom and anarachy, nothing about OSX's software, nothing about what you tried to derail this whole subject into. I then mentioned the walled garden in response to the AC's comment about freedom. I haven't said anything about OSX's software freedom, that was something you made up. Get your head out of your ass.
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What's that?
10 degrees centigrade (that's Celsius) under the boiling temperature of water?
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Oh, do please explain how I'm a fanatic, can't see shades of grey, or can't see other people's points of view. I'll just sit right here.
Well, I've already pointed out many issues with you before in he past, from Mac hardware prices being higher then other companies (which you tried to twist on me), to not long ago showing you that Mac isn't the most secure OS out there (which you demanded had to be regardless that I had your word against the word of professionals), to this topic where I mentioned about hardware and you've decided that instead of staying remotely on topic you'll derail it into OSX's software. But hey, keep sitting there, I know you'll twist this some more to make yourself feel better
For most people, is what I wrote. It's more free for them because they can do more with iOS than they can do with other systems, like Android or Linux. I figured this would be obvious when I wrote "What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?", but I forgot my audience.
How can they do more with iOS then Android and linux? You keep saying that it is, but then refuse to point to a single example. How can people do more with iOS then Android or Linux? Then you point out that it there is more freedom on Android and Linux but that no one benefits from it (again, how?). And you end up childish insulting me (again...) Wow...
Are you serious? Look at all the malware for Android, and the total of absolutely zero malware for iPhones that haven't been hacked by their users. As for your specific example, how many iPhones were hit by this? Wow, two whole days, and nothing happened! Do you think the average person will fare any better with Android? Hell, some phones even *can't* be upgraded unless the user hacks it! And very few people are going to seek out their own updates from the "community". Most people will just update when the phone asks them to (and often not even then).
There has been malware on iOS, go look it up. And again, I pointed out that there had been people hacked on the Apple forums but again you ignored that fact because your blind to it. I give you fact, I point out where to find it yourself, but still you refused to see it. That is why I pointed out pot meet kettle, because you defined yourself to the letter.
"Hey, don't say I'm wrong!" You're just making shit up here. And Lugaru is your example? ONE iOS pirated app, that Apple pulled in a reasonable amount of time, is even *remotely* similar to the *loads* of pirated software for Android?
*sigh...* Again, you ignored the facts. GO LOOK UP THE ARTICLE AGAIN. It wasn't just one app, it was many, the article pointed it out, but as always, facts just get in your way so you ignore them. And I'm not making things up, just because you refuse to look and/or acknowledge them doesn't make them any less real.
*WHAT* hypocrisy? You haven't called me out on *anything*. You have not pointed out even one hypocritical thing I've written. As for me not replying to, don't take it personally, you probably just weren't that interesting. And I've already explained how iOS provides SIGNIFICANTLY more freedom for most people.
Look up, read again. If you come back to this same answer, repeat the steps again. And you have yet to prove a single way iOS provides any more freedom. All you have given me is your word that it somehow does. Yet no way to show/say it. I was able to show/say otherwise granted.
Like I said, what good is a little bit of additional "freedom", if you can't make use of it?
Wow, again you've contradicted yourself. Your last sentence was "And I've already explained how iOS provides SIGNIFICANTLY more freedom for most people" and now suddenly you're stating that android has more freedom. Your answers change so fast....
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Oh node, how I love your trolling. Seriously, like those others posts your trolling of mine, you're taking one small part and twisting it beyond what it was. *sigh* That is the true mind-virus, the inability to see things clearly and twist them to something they aren't just to cause a scene. After reading all your posts, I've just lost the ability to take you serious. Your so quick to alter the fact and insult people. Is this how you act in real life? If so, you are a sad, sad little boy at the end of the day.
Honestly, lets just take one small look at your joke of a reply. I said hardware and you're knee-jerk reaction was to quickly alter the facts and twist it into a psuedo-argument about OSX's software. I never said a single thing about the software, at least not until you brought it up, Don't you see? Its your "mind-virus" that has caused this whole argument. You've refused to see anything but black and white, friend or foe. If I had mentioned in any of these posts "OSX is a locked down, walled garden OS that doesn't allow any freedom" then sure, I would be wrong and these comments would be fair and expected. But I didn't say that, I said nothing remotely like it. In fact, it had been an argument about the hardware and what did Apple code. It has nothing to do with Open Source, it never did at any point. But you wanted it to be, and your posts show that.
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Honestly, lets just take one small look at your joke of a reply. I said hardware and you're knee-jerk reaction was to quickly alter the facts and twist it into a psuedo-argument about OSX's software. I never said a single thing about the software, at least not until you brought it up
I wonder what the opening line to your post that I was replying to was. I bet it was about Mac OS X.
OSX[sic] is open you say?
Strange, that sounds like you are mentioning Mac OS X. But since you say you weren't, I'll just have to assume it was a mirage...
If I had mentioned in any of these posts "OSX is a locked down, walled garden OS that doesn't allow any freedom" then sure, I would be wrong and these comments would be fair and expected.
That's a red herring. You don't have to claim that OS X "doesn't allow any freedom" to be wrong. That statement *would* make you wrong, but you're plenty wrong without adding this specific wrong statement to your repertoire.
But I didn't say that, I said nothing remotely like it. In fact, it had been an argument about the hardware and what did Apple code. It has nothing to do with Open Source, it never did at any point. But you wanted it to be, and your posts show that.
Like I asked in another reply to you, do you even READ the threads you participate in? The post of yours I was replying to mentioned Mac OS X, Darwin, and WebKit (and I even let your *huge* incorrect statement that "Apple merely bought them out" slide--see what I mean about you being wrong enough as it is?).
I wonder what the opening line to your post that I was replying to was. I bet it was about Mac OS X.
Your right, OSX not running on open hardware (as in non-Apple hardware). Nothing about software (like I pointed out to you.)
OSX[sic] is open you say? Strange, that sounds like you are mentioning Mac OS X. But since you say you weren't, I'll just have to assume it was a mirage...
Again,OSX running open... on hardware. Again, like I pointed out to you (and still nothing about the software...)
If I had mentioned in any of these posts "OSX is a locked down, walled garden OS that doesn't allow any freedom" then sure, I would be wrong and these comments would be fair and expected.
That's a red herring. You don't have to claim that OS X "doesn't allow any freedom" to be wrong. That statement *would* make you wrong, but you're plenty wrong without adding this specific wrong statement to your repertoire.
But its not a red herring. I've been talking about open hardware, and you've turned it into open software which had nothing to do with anything I had been talking about. I was showing you how your comments would have been valid with that example.
Like I asked in another reply to you, do you even READ the threads you participate in? The post of yours I was replying to mentioned Mac OS X, Darwin, and WebKit (and I even let your *huge* incorrect statement that "Apple merely bought them out" slide--see what I mean about you being wrong enough as it is?).
Aww.... again you read only what you want. I pointed out that Darwin and Webkit were bought buy Apple, I didn't say anything about open source, you did. Here, let me quote my exact words from my post "As for Darwin and Webkit, those were made by other people, Apple just bought them out." Hmmm.... no, no, nope. Nothing about open source there... just pointing out that its not made by Apple (being its hard to offer them as your own when in reality you bought someone elses work out).
*sits down* This fun, I'm starting to enjoy pointing out your faults in every message and how you've twisted what I say. Please, do some more.
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What you need to do is mark the pieces in some way, and do a couple of walkthroughs at home.
Ummm, so I'm told.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Oh, do please explain how I'm a fanatic, can't see shades of grey, or can't see other people's points of view. I'll just sit right here.
Well, I've already pointed out many issues with you before in he past, from Mac hardware prices being higher then other companies (which you tried to twist on me),
You mean by showing that Mac hardware prices *aren't* higher than other companies? When you compare equivalent hardware, Macs are generally cheaper than Dells, for example. Sometimes they are more. You think that if you can find *one* example to the contrary (for example, when the MacBook Pros still had Core2Duos (which was done for technical reasons because Nvidia lost the right to make chipsets for the Core iX cpus, which is what Apple was intending to use)), that this proves "Macs are more expensive".
This is what I mean by "black and white". You constantly only accept facts that support your preconceptions, and dismiss those that don't.
to not long ago showing you that Mac isn't the most secure OS out there (which you demanded had to be regardless that I had your word against the word of professionals)
Please quote where I said Mac OS X is the "most secure OS out there". It is more secure than Windows. This is simple to prove: what are the odds of a Mac being pwned? What are the odds of a Windows PC being pwned? Seems pretty straightforward to me!
to this topic where I mentioned about hardware and you've decided that instead of staying remotely on topic you'll derail it into OSX's software. But hey, keep sitting there, I know you'll twist this some more to make yourself feel better
*YOU* are the one who mentioned Mac OS X. I was replying TO YOU.
How can they do more with iOS then Android and linux? You keep saying that it is, but then refuse to point to a single example.
Do you know what the word "refuse" means?
And I provided *TWO* examples: there are MORE iOS apps than Android apps, and the iOS apps are generally easier to use. That's something that actually allows normal people to do more.
Then you point out that it there is more freedom on Android and Linux but that no one benefits from it (again, how?).
I never said "no one benefits from it". I said "most people". More than once.
There has been malware on iOS, go look it up.
Not for non-jailbroken iPhones. Do you wonder why I keep having to ask if you even READ the posts you are replying to?
And again, I pointed out that there had been people hacked on the Apple forums but again you ignored that fact because your blind to it.
No you didn't. You claimed that people had to have their phones reset.
I give you fact, I point out where to find it yourself, but still you refused to see it. That is why I pointed out pot meet kettle, because you defined yourself to the letter.
Um, aside from the fact that this was written after you made the pot/kettle statement, YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY USEFUL INFORMATION for finding it. I'm not going to hunt around on Apple's forums to check the assertion of some random slashdotter that can't even seem to read the posts he's directly replying to.
sigh...* Again, you ignored the facts. GO LOOK UP THE ARTICLE AGAIN. It wasn't just one app, it was many, the article pointed it out, but as always, facts just get in your way so you ignore them.
WHAT ARTICLE? Do you think you are embedding hyperlinks into your posts or something?
Look up, read again. If you come back to this same answer, repeat the steps again. And you have yet to prove a single way iOS provides any more freedom. All you have given me is your word that it somehow does. Yet no way to show/say it. I was able to show/say otherwise granted.
Prank or vandalism?
I'd have to vote for vandals if they used spraypaint, etc.
As a prank, it could have been done with a removable substance (chalk, water-soluble paint, whatever), but if it's a permanent (well, as permanent as regular spraypaint is) substance then it's a bit beyond prank level.
Me: OSX isn't open on the hardware level, show me the hardware it runs on openly. (haven't said anything about the software level, like programs and such)
So, you didn't write:
OSX is open you say?
or
As for Darwin and Webkit, those were made by other people, Apple just bought them out.
or
I do, I also know that slavery isn't freedom regardless of what Steve Jobs says about the locked down walled garden.
???
Someone made a comment about freedom and anarachy, nothing about OSX's software,
Really? So you didn't mention OS X or other Apple software, and neither did one of the people in this thread write:
Yes, the same Apple that is behind Darwin, WebKit, Bonjour, and countless other open source projects. Don't get me wrong, their iOS devices are a nightmare in this aspect, but OS X is a very open platform.
Don't you understand that these are software?
I then mentioned the walled garden in response to the AC's comment about freedom.
Which was a direct continuation of you saying Mac OS X wasn't free!
I haven't said anything about OSX's software freedom, that was something you made up.
So, all those quotes of yours I just "made up"?
When are you going to start actually READING the posts you are replying to? Do you know what discussions are? What threads are?
I wonder what the opening line to your post that I was replying to was. I bet it was about Mac OS X.
Your right, OSX not running on open hardware (as in non-Apple hardware). Nothing about software (like I pointed out to you.)
Mac OS X *IS* software! Mac hardware can run any OS you want! The reverse isn't true. It's not that Macs can ONLY run Mac OS X (they can run Windows and Linux just fine), it's that Mac OS X *WON'T* run on non-Macs!
The limitation you were referencing was a limitation with Mac OS X, not Apple hardware!
What makes you think that saying you can't run Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware is not saying anything about software?
But its not a red herring. I've been talking about open hardware, and you've turned it into open software which had nothing to do with anything I had been talking about. I was showing you how your comments would have been valid with that example.
You mentioned software *MULTIPLE* times before I ever replied to you!
Like I asked in another reply to you, do you even READ the threads you participate in? The post of yours I was replying to mentioned Mac OS X, Darwin, and WebKit (and I even let your *huge* incorrect statement that "Apple merely bought them out" slide--see what I mean about you being wrong enough as it is?).
Aww.... again you read only what you want. I pointed out that Darwin and Webkit were bought buy Apple,
Apple didn't buy WebKit. They forked it from KHTML. And you also left out Bonjour (in the post you were replying to) where Apple started that in house as 100% open source. They also made QuickTime Streaming Server open source, as well as many other Apple-initiated open source projects.
I didn't say anything about open source, you did.
That wasn't me, you asshat. One of your replies to someone else was about open source projects. That is saying something about open source software. I have to ask again, do you even read what you write?
Here, let me quote my exact words from my post "As for Darwin and Webkit, those were made by other people, Apple just bought them out." Hmmm.... no, no, nope. Nothing about open source there...
Except for Darwin and WebKit, that is!
just pointing out that its not made by Apple (being its hard to offer them as your own when in reality you bought someone elses work out).
There are two huge flaws in your argument:
1. Apple didn't have to buy the projects that they did buy (or fork those that they forked). If they wanted to be proprietary, they could have just used in house solutions, or bought proprietary solutions.
2. Apple has created open source projects that they didn't have to make open source, and they have kept projects as open source that they didn't have to.
*sits down* This fun, I'm starting to enjoy pointing out your faults in every message and how you've twisted what I say. Please, do some more.
How would you ever know if someone is "twisting what [you] say" when you don't even seem to know what you've said in the first place?!
Wow, you are too much fun. So... lets start.
You mean by showing that Mac hardware prices *aren't* higher than other companies? When you compare equivalent hardware, Macs are generally cheaper than Dells, for example. Sometimes they are more. You think that if you can find *one* example to the contrary (for example, when the MacBook Pros still had Core2Duos (which was done for technical reasons because Nvidia lost the right to make chipsets for the Core iX cpus, which is what Apple was intending to use)), that this proves "Macs are more expensive". This is what I mean by "black and white". You constantly only accept facts that support your preconceptions, and dismiss those that don't.
Ok, lets take your words here. Macs are cheaper then Dells. Lets see this with the facts and not your words (I'll be using Alienware since it is Dell and is more easy to mix and match parts to the Mac version, you can even see the link here): Now, here is the starting point of an Alienware M17x (they don't make 15 inch models, just 14 and 17 now, which would leave me comparing to either a 13 inch or 15 inch MBP which isn't fair, so both are 17 inch models). I will also not be upgrading the Mac since the last time I did this with you, you declared it wasn't fair since Apple does have high upgrade fees. These are also BOTH customization sites so to compare you will have to follow the specs I'm listing and not alter them beyond what I'm listing or the answers will be different
Alienware
CPU: Intel® Coreâ i7 2720QM 2.2GHz
RAM: 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz (2DIMMS)
Graphic card: 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeonâ HD 6870M
HD: 750GB 7,200RPM HDD
Screen: 17.3-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 60Hz WLED
Wireless card: Wireless 802.11 g/n
Optical drive: Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW) (can't tell speed)
Price: $1,899.00
This is were I am selection the MBP 17inch model.
CPU: 2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
RAM: 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
Graphics card: AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB GDDR5
HD: 750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 RPM
Screen: MacBook Pro 17-inch Hi-Resolution Glossy Widescreen Display (1920x1200)
Wireless card: Sorry, couldn't spot it so won't use it to compare at the end.
Optical drive: SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Price:$2,499.00
Both have backlit keyboards and free engravings (I'm pretty sure the Mac does at least11)
Now, in the end, for the most part they are about as even as I could make them (with a small amount of issues, the Dell has a better graphics card, the MBP has a higher screen pixel count). Price difference is $600. And it was you who pointed out the Dell would be more then the Apple. This was your choice. I'm just showing the fact. I could go through all the different model and will always have these kinds of differences. But if you wish, please prove me wrong while trying to keep the comparisons fair, I did by making sure to keep the MBP non-upgraded and altered the Dell configuration to the MBP's level as evenly and fairly as I could. See if you can do it, I'm not dismissing anything you'll show me if it's done in a fair manor. (unlike the last time I gave you mostly this exact comparison where you altered the Dell to have an i3 and lowered everything you possibly could and then upped the MBP settings to make it seem like price wasn't a good comparison since your new models didn't match hardware wise).
to not long ago showing you that Mac isn't the most secure OS out there (which you demanded had to be regardless that I had your word against the word of professionals)
Please quote where I sai
Attention... all grammer nazi"s! Is they're anything; wrong with: my post,
Sorry, just have to chime in here. Uhhh...you DO know that Apple is bringing the app store to OSX via lion, yes? So frankly any arguments of iOS VS OSX are about to be made moot anyway. Apple WILL lock down OSX, just as they have iOS, Apple WILL control the whole smash, again just as with iOS, and Apple fanboys WILL declare that locking them into a walled garden is the greatest thing since sliced bread and we're all haters who just "don't get Steve's vision".
So frankly you can make all the flaming logic hoops you want friend, OSX in 2 years will be nothing but iOS in a different package. The only thing that worries me is seeing screencaps of Win 8 it looks like if someone doesn't fire Ballmer but quick Windows will be nothing but a WinPhone in a different case. In BOTH cases the future goal is pretty clear, a machine which you have about as much control over as your average ATM. You push the button, that's it. Frankly I'd say the only ones who'd benefit would be the Linux guys, but my guess is the way congress whores itself out for garbage like the PROTECT IP laws in all likelihood by 2015 all the devices will have Fritz chips in them and Linux won't run on anything but highly expensive dev boards and little ARM crap chips.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Alright, more trolling and lies. Lets begin the fun.
Wow, you picked and chose random, and sometimes partial sentences, and decided to try to make them something they weren't. Such a bad little troll you are node.
I did say OSX about not being open, on hardware (why I mentioned installing it on non-Apple hardware.) Never mentioned a word about OSX as a software. That was youj and your trolling lies.
I did say "As for Darwin and Webkit, those were made by other people, Apple just bought them out." I didn't say they weren't closed or locked down or walled gardened, ect... I said they were bought out by Apple. Am I wrong? Is Darwin not made from the Mach kernal made by the Carnegie Mellon University? And was Webkit not made by KDE?
I did say "I do, I also know that slavery isn't freedom regardless of what Steve Jobs says about the locked down walled garden." Hmmm... I don't see me saying "OSX is the locked down walled garden" you added that, I was speaking about iOS and iOS's products. If you had read my first comment that started all this I said that Apple is "a company well noted for being the most closed in technology." Now, technology means more then one type of technology. It means things like hardware (Apple hardware) and other things like software (iOS). Now these 2 different types of technology can be owned/controlled by the same company. Now if you wanted to wedge what I had hinted at as being something it obviously wasn't, then that is your choice.
Yes, the same Apple that is behind Darwin, WebKit, Bonjour, and countless other open source projects. Don't get me wrong, their iOS devices are a nightmare in this aspect, but OS X is a very open platform
Don't you understand that these are software?
I do understand that those are software. Don't you understand that the comment you are referring to had been talking about Apple's locked down hardware and hardware isn't software?
I then mentioned the walled garden in response to the AC's comment about freedom.
Which was a direct continuation of you saying Mac OS X wasn't free!
No it wasn't. It had nothing to do with what I had been saying about OSX. It was a nudge towards iOS (remember this whole topic was about Apple's technology and thats why even when I started listing Apple products, there were both hardware and software). You just want it to be OSX I said that about, and your desperate for it to have been that you've twisted the truth and lied in every comment you've made to me in hopes that it could somehow change the past and what I've said so it might one day be that I might have said that. But I never did.
haven't said anything about OSX's software freedom, that was something you made up.
So, all those quotes of yours I just "made up"?
No, you didn't make them up, you twisted them up. Turned them into lies. Why? Because its all you seem to understand, and thats why I keep pointing out your a troll. Because you've lied in every thing you've said and twisted the truth so much that its hard to see where this had started from.
Attention... all grammer nazi"s! Is they're anything; wrong with: my post,
Who TF puts up Windows logos? People paid by Microsoft, that's who.
No, he addressed what you wrote quite well. But I'll go even further:
iOS, the "locked down, walled garden" that it is, is SIGNIFICANTLY more free for most people than something like Android or Linux in general. What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?
That's the problem with fanatics, they only see things in black and white, and only from their point of view (which is why they can pretend grey doesn't exist).
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
the "locked down, walled garden" that it is, is SIGNIFICANTLY more free for most people than something like Android or Linux in general. What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?
What you are talking about isn't freedom but possibilities and a completely different matter. For beginners an idiot-proof user interface is the most important thing, for advanced users it is freedom. This is nicely reflected in iOS/Android sales.
On se Internetz nobody noes your German.
DO know that Apple is bringing the app store to OSX via lion, yes?
The App Store already exists. It does not lock down OS X in the same way as iOS is locked down.
Apple WILL lock down OSX
No they won't.
It would be suicidal to lock down OS X in the same way as iOS.
All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
pi/2 sounds much nicer?
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
In a ship an upside down flag is a sign of distress, normally used when there's a contagious disease aboard.
Oh relax. It was just a fun idea, a wind up.
I am me and I approve of this message. And of the prank..
Insert
A Microsoft logo on an Apple building...
It's also a little bit like the version of Microsoft Windows 7 that most of the buyers will either boot-camp or virtualize into their fresh Mac hardware, in order to be still able to run the most widespread applications.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Lol, I can't believe you waste your time replying to this troglodyte. He revels in his own ignorance (as one can see in his sig) and yet you expect to reasonably debate him?
One convenient locations...in Africa.
I don't get it. So they replaced one greedy corporate logo with another greedy corporate logo. Replacing the corporate logo with something that makes a social or political statement would be noteworthy. If you're going to get in trouble for something it should be worth it.
Proverbs 21:19
Naa, its an upgrade. Mac is only useful for graphics, video and audio. If you are using it for anything else, it is because you don't understand that it isn't useful.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Cunt is not an appropriate word to use...but the AC using "faggot" to disapprove of someones post....would be considered a cunt most certainly in the UK. Thoughts?
Do yourself a favour and never visit a Vegas casino because your bet is wrong. The differences between most manufacturers (including Dell and Apple) are very small.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/laptop-reliability-survey-asus-and-toshiba-win-hp-fails/
Keeping in mind Apple only sells higher end notebooks and desktops, while Dell sells everything from high end notebooks and desktops to bargain basement netbooks. So I would have expected Apple to have far fewer problems than Dell, but the difference is less than 2%. Afterall, the main justification in charging higher prices is the better materials and build quality.
So if I had $2500 to spend on computing gear, I'd save the $600 and buy a Nexus S smartphone for the difference.
Alright, more trolling and lies. Lets begin the fun.
Yes you really need to stop trolling and lying, and stop trying to have fun.
It's just embarrassing.
You keep making all these incorrect statements, then denying you ever said it, despite the fact your posts are here for all to see.
At least try to troll correctly and make it interesting for us to read!
Sometimes I forget that there are genuine Microsoft Windows Fanboys here on slashdot. Since I dared to suggest that their OS of choice is crap, they quickly responded by down moderating my post that suggested that.
Although of course, for some people, stability isn't that important. I don't understand how those people function in reality, but they clearly exist.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
and who says that their sense of humor is not?
but considering the mixup of the colors and how crooked it was placed, i'm thinking it couldnt have been Germans at all.
look sig is kool
Lack of hardware support doesn't make OS X not an open platform. Apple suing people who dare install it on non-Macs, however...
"16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
the "locked down, walled garden" that it is, is SIGNIFICANTLY more free for most people than something like Android or Linux in general. What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?
What you are talking about isn't freedom but possibilities and a completely different matter. For beginners an idiot-proof user interface is the most important thing, for advanced users it is freedom. This is nicely reflected in iOS/Android sales.
Freedom *is* possibilities. They are certainly not completely different matters. And you're mistaken about the difference being between beginners and advanced. The difference is in how the user *can* (beginner vs advanced) or *wants* (which makes no differentiation between beginner or advanced) to interact with the device.
The idea that iPhones are for beginners, and Android is for advanced users is silly. And it's unclear what you mean by this being reflected in sales. In fact, it's not just unclear, but makes no sense. Do you think most Android users are "advanced"?
Not wanting to fuck around with your device doesn't make you a "beginner". Wanting simplicity, reliability, and quality does not make you a "beginner".
Possibility is freedom.
Unusuable options are not freedom. Freedom isn't some imaginary thing, it does you no good to have a freedom you can't use.
Sorry, just have to chime in here. Uhhh...you DO know that Apple is bringing the app store to OSX via lion, yes?
Wow, really? I never heard of such a thing!
I've been using it in Snow Leopard. I think it's fairly safe to assume I'm well aware of many of the new features in Lion.
So frankly any arguments of iOS VS OSX are about to be made moot anyway. Apple WILL lock down OSX, just as they have iOS, Apple WILL control the whole smash, again just as with iOS, and Apple fanboys WILL declare that locking them into a walled garden is the greatest thing since sliced bread and we're all haters who just "don't get Steve's vision".
You are full of shit.
So frankly you can make all the flaming logic hoops you want friend, OSX in 2 years will be nothing but iOS in a different package.
So any discussions today are limited to the lunatic ravings about the way it *might* be in the future?
If that day ever comes (and it won't), only THEN will it be relevant.
The only thing that worries me is seeing screencaps of Win 8 it looks like if someone doesn't fire Ballmer but quick Windows will be nothing but a WinPhone in a different case.
I will give you credit for at least being consistent in your lunacy.
In BOTH cases the future goal is pretty clear, a machine which you have about as much control over as your average ATM. You push the button, that's it. Frankly I'd say the only ones who'd benefit would be the Linux guys, but my guess is the way congress whores itself out for garbage like the PROTECT IP laws in all likelihood by 2015 all the devices will have Fritz chips in them and Linux won't run on anything but highly expensive dev boards and little ARM crap chips.
There will *NEVER* come a day where you won't be able to run Linux on off the shelf hardware. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
You have gone quite mad over the course of the past year.
You are the most dishonest person I have ever encountered on Slashdot, and that's saying a *LOT*. You constantly deny ever saying the things you say, you deny the context of the threads you are in. You act as though you have one of those short-term memory diseases where you can't remember what happened just 5 seconds ago.
I truly can't believe anyone is as stupid as your posts portray you as, so I can only conclude you are a deliberate troll.
We're done here.
The App store is already in Snow Leopard.
I am speaking from experience, no fanboy here. I deal with around 20 Macs, 50 Windows, and 1000 Linux machines. I have to fix issues daily with most of these, and Windows is just easier. I am actually typing this on a Mac Pro running Snow Leopard with all the latest patches.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I was not accusing you specifically of being a windows fanboy, rather I am pointing out that windows fanboys downmoderated my original comment in this discussion.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Where is the picture?
I would have modded it funny, it was a good joke.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?