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Microsoft's SkyDrive Drops Silverlight

mikejuk writes "Microsoft's SkyDrive, a web service that provides cloud storage for end user files, has just acquired a revamped user interface — and it is HTML5 based. Yes, another Microsoft website has dropped Silverlight. How can Microsoft expect independent developers to base their future on Silverlight when Microsoft itself is abandoning it like a sinking ship? Whatever happened to 'eating your own dog food'? It seems that now Microsoft would rather eat dog food made elsewhere..."

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  1. MS hate by cgeys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Microsoft starts using standards compliant HTML5 instead of Silverlight on their sites and you bash them for it? Seriously?

    And regardless, HTML5 was nowhere to be seen when Silverlight came out. It was needed back then, if only as a competitor for Flash. Have you noticed Silverlight hasn't even had the same security concerns and exploits as Flash?

    This is a good thing from Microsoft, not bad. Stop bashing them for everything they do, even if its a good thing.

    1. Re:MS hate by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you noticed Silverlight hasn't even had the same security concerns and exploits as Flash?

      You have to be fair; noone will exploit a plugin nobody has installed or uses.

    2. Re:MS hate by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a perfect example of "damned if they do, damned if they don't".

      Oh, and typical Slashdot bullshit :)

    3. Re:MS hate by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sometimes we bet on the wrong technology. Shit, like change, happens. All you can do is see it coming and move on to what did win.

      Hell, I remember going through the same thing after putting a bunch of time into learning Borland OWL, back when it was competing with Microsoft's MFC. I was too evangelical myself at the time to see what was going to happen and I paid for it.

    4. Re:MS hate by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, they can have a pat on the back for this one... though I still haven't forgiven them for the 1997 bailout of Apple.

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    5. Re:MS hate by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > So Microsoft starts using standards compliant HTML5 instead of Silverlight on their sites and you bash them for it? Seriously?

      No, we bash them for pushing one technology on their customers for the sake of getting them locked in, while internally they know those technologies suck and they use better stuff for themselves. The way Bing uses Hadoop is another example. And the way they're soon to be a big postgres shop (skype) yet another.

      They know what the right technologies are. But they keep selling their developers on other stuff.

    6. Re:MS hate by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is this an example of "damned if they do, damned if they don't"? Microsoft made Silverlight, pushed a lot of sites to use it at the displeasure of many (Netflix), now they are dropping support?

      This is rather an example of MS making crap, MS pushing crap, and MS not being able to support their own crap, but still wanting everyone to use it. That's not damned if you do or don't, that's just everyone saying "It sucks, stop pushing it when you can't even use it."

      I.E. - Windows Vista

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    7. Re:MS hate by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, there is no hate.

      It's more of a Ha-Ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo to the developers that dared to try to make $ on a MS technology.

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

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    8. Re:MS hate by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

      Look on the bright side. At least you get to keep the knife.

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    9. Re:MS hate by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Captive audience for PC users. It made their service worse, an I stopped using it on a PC unless I had no other choice.

      I will rejoice when Silverlight dies the death it deserves.

    10. Re:MS hate by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Investing in MS technologies has always been foolhardy. This is just one more episode in a long history of them pulling the rug from beneath their customers' feet in order to make them buy yet another full line of "new" software development tools. It has happened before, it will happen again. It's a suckers' game, and it's baffling how so many people fall into it again and again, especially in the presence of a large, diverse and stable palette of FOSS development tools that evolve in a generally orderly and predictable fashion. Has this ever happened to Perl, Python, PHP, or Ruby developers?.

    11. Re:MS hate by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, there is no hate.

      Against MS?

      It's more of a Ha-Ha to the developers that dared to try to make $ on a MS technology.

      A "Ha-Ha" motivated by hatred towards MS.

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

      More MS hate.

      and your sig

      Microsoft: Making "just good enough" products to keep people from using "Good" or "Great" products since 95'

      More MS hate.

    12. Re:MS hate by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft made Silverlight, pushed a lot of sites to use it at the displeasure of many (Netflix), now they are dropping support?

      1. How did Microsoft "push" Netflix?
      2. When did Microsoft "drop support" for Silverlight?

    13. Re:MS hate by athmanb · · Score: 4, Informative

      When Silverlight 1 came out in 2007, there were three competitors for it:
      - ActiveX which was a horrible 90s idea and is unable to function in a world where you can't trust people not to try to build exploits
      - Java which was so bad at doing what it was supposed to do that it went from almost 100% market share to almost 0% with the rise of Flash.
      - Flash which did the job it was supposed to do but had horrible development tools and literally hundreds of security problems since then due to shoddy product quality

      Microsoft created Silverlight to solve these shortcomings and they did a pretty good job at it. Programming web code in Visual Studio is a leaps better than Flash and the Netflix probably saved millions by not wasting their developers' time with the horrible Flash UI and code oddities.

      Only now, four years later, is HTML5 beginning to come to a point where it can be a proper tool to do what you used to use one of the above plugins for.

      And by the way, IT changes fast in general, no developer can honestly expect to code in the same language from college to retirement. HTML5 - and the languages that you actually write code in like JQuery - are in an extreme prototype state right now, going to change radically several times in the next years before people figure out that they completely screwed up some important paradigms and start parts of the standard from scratch for HTML6. Everyone will have to keep relearning their languages if they want to stay current.

  2. Objectivity by AndOne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whatever happened to posting stories that aren't filled with FUD and hate? Maybe HTML5 is more standards compliant and more widely available on other things... like say... Mobile devices... Which are probably one of the places many people would want to access the 'cloud' from. Or perhaps silverlight is too heavy for the task of being a portal UI... Whatever happened to using the right tool for the right job?

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  3. They don't by geoffrobinson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "How can Microsoft expect independent developers to base their future on Silverlight when Microsoft itself is abandoning it like a sinking ship?"

    They don't expect people to base their future on Silverlight. Why would anyone think that at this point?

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  4. Netflix by gatzby3jr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now all we need is Netflix to abandon Silverlight...

    1. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So that I can use it on linux?

  5. Re:Best option by RCGodward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed. Sometimes a better technology comes along. Let me toss you guys some top secret info... There will be another version of .NET, another version of Silverlight, and another version of WPF. Rest easy. It's not going anywhere.

  6. Big companies always lose the plot eventually by dinther · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft did not realize the significance of TCP/IP when they released windows 95
    Microsoft rolled out their .net fat client platform still thinking fat clients is where it is at.
    Virtual Earth failed to compete with Google Earth
    Failed mobile phones
    Failed MP3 players

    Feel free to add to the long list.

    Siverlight is just a small blip because it did not get the uptake MS had hoped for. They do this all the time. They try to compete on all fronts and never excel anywhere. MS product path is littered with abandoned poorly executed ideas some of which might have made it if they only committed to it. I feel sorry for those software companies that put all their eggs in the MS basket because their .net codebase will in the not too distant future be obsolete too.

    It should be clear to everyone that operating systems are no longer significant. Running fat clients locally is no longer where it is at. PC's and Laptops are no longer the core device on which applications run. So the MS tax (Windows) on every PC will come to an end. MS is already far too late to change their direction with Windows and if MS doesn't get onto the web based bandwagon with MS Office quickly they will lose that profitable market as well.

    It is a pity but unavoidable that successful companies get too big and too slow to respond to changes. Although it is thanks to MS that computing has become so accessible to the masses. They failed to pay attention over the last decade and foolishly thought they could direct their market. Developers trusting anything that MS put out over the last 5 years will wish they had not, no matter the promised potential.

    Google was the new kid on the block with some amazing innovation but look closely at Google today and you can see the same warning signals. It is only a matter of time before the next company will take over from them.