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Microsoft's SkyDrive Drops Silverlight

mikejuk writes "Microsoft's SkyDrive, a web service that provides cloud storage for end user files, has just acquired a revamped user interface — and it is HTML5 based. Yes, another Microsoft website has dropped Silverlight. How can Microsoft expect independent developers to base their future on Silverlight when Microsoft itself is abandoning it like a sinking ship? Whatever happened to 'eating your own dog food'? It seems that now Microsoft would rather eat dog food made elsewhere..."

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  1. MS hate by cgeys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So Microsoft starts using standards compliant HTML5 instead of Silverlight on their sites and you bash them for it? Seriously?

    And regardless, HTML5 was nowhere to be seen when Silverlight came out. It was needed back then, if only as a competitor for Flash. Have you noticed Silverlight hasn't even had the same security concerns and exploits as Flash?

    This is a good thing from Microsoft, not bad. Stop bashing them for everything they do, even if its a good thing.

    1. Re:MS hate by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you noticed Silverlight hasn't even had the same security concerns and exploits as Flash?

      You have to be fair; noone will exploit a plugin nobody has installed or uses.

    2. Re:MS hate by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a perfect example of "damned if they do, damned if they don't".

      Oh, and typical Slashdot bullshit :)

    3. Re:MS hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. It's more of them "using the appropriate tool for the job". Silverlight might have other / better uses elsewhere, not a Web UI, what with tools like HTML 5 and CSS3. This is good news.

    4. Re:MS hate by kwerle · · Score: 2

      Have you noticed Silverlight hasn't even had the same security concerns and exploits as Flash?

      You have to be fair; noone will exploit a plugin nobody has installed or uses.

      Netflix is still using Silverlight, right? Doesn't that mean it has a reasonably large user base?

    5. Re:MS hate by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sometimes we bet on the wrong technology. Shit, like change, happens. All you can do is see it coming and move on to what did win.

      Hell, I remember going through the same thing after putting a bunch of time into learning Borland OWL, back when it was competing with Microsoft's MFC. I was too evangelical myself at the time to see what was going to happen and I paid for it.

    6. Re:MS hate by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, they can have a pat on the back for this one... though I still haven't forgiven them for the 1997 bailout of Apple.

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    7. Re:MS hate by NuShrike · · Score: 2

      No when you count the users on iPhones, PS3s, Androids, Rokus, Boxees, Wiis, Xbox 360s, TiVos, Wimpy7s, etc etc.

      No Silverlights there, and becoming practically irrelevant except for PCs.

    8. Re:MS hate by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Netflix can continue to use Silverlight even if Microsoft deprecates it.

      As for the "developers", I'm pretty sure Microsoft has a good idea of the real numbers. Apparently they don't think it's enough to worry about.

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    9. Re:MS hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://riastats.com/

      Silverlight is actually on 75% of Internet browsers.

    10. Re:MS hate by NuShrike · · Score: 2

      Shops that heavily invested in Silverlight deserve getting razed for it.

      When all the post-PC news does not involve MS nor MS technologies to any significant degree, going SIlverlight to shortcut real development is pure, moronic suicide. In fact at this point, heavily investing in any MS-technologies without hedging (such as DirectX while the rest of the mobile world is OpenGLES 2.x) is just daft.

    11. Re:MS hate by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > So Microsoft starts using standards compliant HTML5 instead of Silverlight on their sites and you bash them for it? Seriously?

      No, we bash them for pushing one technology on their customers for the sake of getting them locked in, while internally they know those technologies suck and they use better stuff for themselves. The way Bing uses Hadoop is another example. And the way they're soon to be a big postgres shop (skype) yet another.

      They know what the right technologies are. But they keep selling their developers on other stuff.

    12. Re:MS hate by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      Yup. It's simple - Silverlight has failed, and it is a mixed fault between the developers and Microsoft. Anyone targeting Silverlight at this point is an idiot - the writing is on the wall and it has been for a long time.

      Things that are Microsoft's fault - Not making clearer specs so third-party implementations (Moonlight) could maintain parity with Silverlight in terms of support, instead of lagging behind like Moonlight has. Moonlight has been a failure because it has never supported anything other than example galleries full of backlevel Silverlight examples.

      Things that are the developer's fault - Jumping immediately to the latest Silverlight release, cutting off access to anyone using a non-MS platform, making Silverlight less relevant.

      The only thing keeping Silverlight alive at this point is Netflix, and that's just a matter of time - PC users are probably a small fraction of Netflix Instant Streaming users. Silverlight was supposed to allow Netflix to reach a larger audience than their old Windows Media based solution, but it utterly failed there.

      As others have pointed out, Silverlight is a solution to a problem that no longer exists. It was supposed to break Adobe's Flash stranglehold - It failed to do so, instead, HTML5 and iOS did that.

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    13. Re:MS hate by Shados · · Score: 2

      Yup. Silverlight is just poorly marketed. When originally it was called WPF/E (WPF Everywhere), and .NET devs were begging for it, it was to be used for line of business applications and optimized for browser experience in a _somewhat_ cross platform manner.

      This was in contrast with XBAP, which is pure WPF (the newer UI tech of .NET), which works in a browser sandbox but only on Windows, but isn't really designed from the ground up for it.

      But then someone at Microsoft decided they wanted to take on Flash. The first version of Silverlight didn't have the .NET parts OR the line of business parts, they had to wait for Silverlight 2.0 for that...and even then, it kept being marketed as a Flash killer (not even a Flex killer, which it was much closer to).

      Marketing killed WPF/E, nothing else. Silverlight IS the right tool for the job it was meant to do...just not for the one it was marketing for.

    14. Re:MS hate by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is this an example of "damned if they do, damned if they don't"? Microsoft made Silverlight, pushed a lot of sites to use it at the displeasure of many (Netflix), now they are dropping support?

      This is rather an example of MS making crap, MS pushing crap, and MS not being able to support their own crap, but still wanting everyone to use it. That's not damned if you do or don't, that's just everyone saying "It sucks, stop pushing it when you can't even use it."

      I.E. - Windows Vista

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    15. Re:MS hate by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, there is no hate.

      It's more of a Ha-Ha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo to the developers that dared to try to make $ on a MS technology.

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

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    16. Re:MS hate by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

      Look on the bright side. At least you get to keep the knife.

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    17. Re:MS hate by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Captive audience for PC users. It made their service worse, an I stopped using it on a PC unless I had no other choice.

      I will rejoice when Silverlight dies the death it deserves.

    18. Re:MS hate by dskzero · · Score: 2

      I honestly expected something slightly interesting, but seeing TFA stealthly bashing .NET I decided this wasn't worth my time, and instead, I typed a complain here.

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    19. Re:MS hate by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Investing in MS technologies has always been foolhardy. This is just one more episode in a long history of them pulling the rug from beneath their customers' feet in order to make them buy yet another full line of "new" software development tools. It has happened before, it will happen again. It's a suckers' game, and it's baffling how so many people fall into it again and again, especially in the presence of a large, diverse and stable palette of FOSS development tools that evolve in a generally orderly and predictable fashion. Has this ever happened to Perl, Python, PHP, or Ruby developers?.

    20. Re:MS hate by node+3 · · Score: 2

      How is this an example of "damned if they do, damned if they don't"? Microsoft made Silverlight, pushed a lot of sites to use it at the displeasure of many (Netflix), now they are dropping support?

      MS uses Silverlight, the nerds rage. MS stops using Silverlight, the nerds rage.

    21. Re:MS hate by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, there is no hate.

      Against MS?

      It's more of a Ha-Ha to the developers that dared to try to make $ on a MS technology.

      A "Ha-Ha" motivated by hatred towards MS.

      Almost every company that has worked with MS has gotten stabbed in the back.

      More MS hate.

      and your sig

      Microsoft: Making "just good enough" products to keep people from using "Good" or "Great" products since 95'

      More MS hate.

    22. Re:MS hate by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      You missed his point. Most users of Netflix are not on PCs. Hell, 30% are on Playstation alone.

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    23. Re:MS hate by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      He probably just found out about it.

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    24. Re:MS hate by debrain · · Score: 2

      Hell, I remember going through the same thing after putting a bunch of time into learning Borland OWL, back when it was competing with Microsoft's MFC. I was too evangelical myself at the time to see what was going to happen and I paid for it.

      In fairness, people still fondly remember Borland OWL, and their charming yellow-on-blue IDE, failure though OWL may have been. My memories of MFC give me haunting chills.

    25. Re:MS hate by node+3 · · Score: 2

      The $150 million "bailout" (by buying stock and promising to continue selling a very profitable product, in exchange for cross-licensing and an end to a long-running lawsuit) of a company that had billions of dollars *in cash*? That "bailout"?

      Go troll somewhere else.

    26. Re:MS hate by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "In fact at this point, heavily investing in any MS-technologies without hedging (such as DirectX while the rest of the mobile world is OpenGLES 2.x) is just daft."

      Have you worked in I.T. in a corporate level (I am taking +1,000 employees)? I am not insinuating you have not or implying anything, but there is huge pressure to lower costs and reduce the amount of platforms and software. If you are a bank for example and buy out several other companies and each company had 3 programs then you have 6 - 9 programs that all do the same thing!

      So you need to pick one. Now imagine yourself 12 years in the past in a server room, with Novel Netware, Bryon Vines, Unixware, Solaris, VMS, OS/2 eComstation, and this new product called Windows NT Server, supporting WordPerfect, MS Word, Novel Groupwise, Lotus Notes, and Outlook for the 2,000 users. You need to upgrade all this to be Y2k compliant and which platform will you chose? Which standard?

      Corporate America chose Microsoft. They are a monopoly and it is important to use whatever everyone else is using. That same server room I was in 12 years ago is an all MS shop today. These same shops use silverlight and .NET are the same shops do not want to go back to Unix and OpenGL. It was a smart move to support one company, one standard, one way of doing things and having IT trained in just one company.

      However, thankfully the internet and HTML 5 is freeing us of this, but causing chaos and headaches from these same companies. Add to tablets, phones, and IPads and it makes sense. Silverlight and other MS technologies will be a round for a very long long time, much like IBM mainframe software being run today in emulators from 30 years ago. If I had a time machine and could go 20 years into the future I would bet you IE 6 will still be run in emulator terminals running these old win32 intranet apps.

      These users should be outraged, and expect support. The whole reason for using it was a hedge agaisn't using something that would go out of business or become obsolete or irrelevant. MS is a good bet to make as it sets the standards for corporate America. ... it is a different world than playing around at home or in a small business.

    27. Re:MS hate by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft made Silverlight, pushed a lot of sites to use it at the displeasure of many (Netflix), now they are dropping support?

      1. How did Microsoft "push" Netflix?
      2. When did Microsoft "drop support" for Silverlight?

    28. Re:MS hate by daemonhunter · · Score: 2

      Microsoft isn't afraid to move on when they need to.

      Ha ha hahahahahahaha ha ha ha. IE6. Ha.

      (Sure, blame it on the corporations with their custom built software, and the grandmas who don't know to update. MS could have forced the issue at any time. Genuine Advantage, anyone?)

    29. Re:MS hate by athmanb · · Score: 4, Informative

      When Silverlight 1 came out in 2007, there were three competitors for it:
      - ActiveX which was a horrible 90s idea and is unable to function in a world where you can't trust people not to try to build exploits
      - Java which was so bad at doing what it was supposed to do that it went from almost 100% market share to almost 0% with the rise of Flash.
      - Flash which did the job it was supposed to do but had horrible development tools and literally hundreds of security problems since then due to shoddy product quality

      Microsoft created Silverlight to solve these shortcomings and they did a pretty good job at it. Programming web code in Visual Studio is a leaps better than Flash and the Netflix probably saved millions by not wasting their developers' time with the horrible Flash UI and code oddities.

      Only now, four years later, is HTML5 beginning to come to a point where it can be a proper tool to do what you used to use one of the above plugins for.

      And by the way, IT changes fast in general, no developer can honestly expect to code in the same language from college to retirement. HTML5 - and the languages that you actually write code in like JQuery - are in an extreme prototype state right now, going to change radically several times in the next years before people figure out that they completely screwed up some important paradigms and start parts of the standard from scratch for HTML6. Everyone will have to keep relearning their languages if they want to stay current.

    30. Re:MS hate by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2

      It was a smart move to support one company, one standard, one way of doing things and having IT trained in just one company.

      Your own experience shows that this is not so. It seemed like a good decision for all the reasons you mention, but the unixoid world was the one that remained stable and predictable while still experiencing enormous growth. Excluding consumer PCs, unixoid platforms hold by far the lion's share of heavy industrial computing across the board, not Microsoft. You bet wrong because decision makers were duped by fancy ads and wildly optimistic marketing. It is still a foolhardy bet to stake your company's future on the whims and fickleness of Microsoft, which has a vested interest in switching things out on you as frequently as possible in order to maintain their revenue stream.

      I congratulate MS on (apparently) switching to an open standard, but I never touch their products if I can avoid it. I do not have any sort of vocation to reinvent the wheel every time they feel the need to drum up some extra cash.

    31. Re:MS hate by BeanThere · · Score: 2

      Actually this time I would say it's not really "slashdot" whining, just a small but loud minority of developers who backed Silverlight. Most of the rest of us don't care, though I do feel like saying "I told you to so" to some annoying pro-Microsoft developers I worked with who used to try push Silverlight down our throats almost religiously.

    32. Re:MS hate by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      Has this ever happened to Perl, Python, PHP, or Ruby developers?.

      YES!

      Microsoft dropped support for both IronRuby and IronPython.

      oh wait, that's not what you meant is it....

    33. Re:MS hate by SpryGuy · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has been trying to push people off of IE6 for years now. Sure, they're not somehow pulling the plug on them (how exactly would they do that?) but they've been at the forefront of pushind web developers to drop support for IE6 and encourage any IE6 users they detect to upgrade/update their browser. So your comment is sort of out of place and unwarranted.

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    34. Re:MS hate by SpryGuy · · Score: 2

      One would have to ask why you bother going through all that effort? How is it harmful to have Silverlight on your system? It isn't. In fact, it's pretty lightweight, installs very quickly (either via Windows update or via a link that anyone can click), doesn't gum up or muck up a system or use resources when not in use...

      Seriously, your efforts seem rather irrational to me. What exactly is the point?

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    35. Re:MS hate by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Being unafraid to move on when they need to doesn't imply that they always move on when they should.

      Plus one could argue that IE6 was critical to far, far more people than Silverlight currently is. If they wanted to kill Silverlight or relegate it to just mobile development, they could do so and it would only be disruptive to a pretty small segment.

    36. Re:MS hate by QuantumFlux · · Score: 2

      And by the way, IT changes fast in general, no developer can honestly expect to code in the same language from college to retirement.

      You've obviously never worked in the scientific community -- where Fortran 77 is still going strong, some three+ decades later.

    37. Re:MS hate by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      Sometimes we bet on the wrong technology.

      Not even really. Silverlight was (and is) an alternative to its contemporary competitors: Flash and Javascript.

      It offered a superior offering. Now HTML 5, almost five years later is offering something new and advantageous in the form of native support on multiple platforms/form factors.

      5 years is a long time in the tech world.

    38. Re:MS hate by node+3 · · Score: 2

      They had ~$1.5 billion in cash. It's in their SEC filing for the year. They had many billions in revenues, they had healthy margins on their products. They also had a lot of write offs and purchases that year, including buying NeXT for over $300 million.

      Apple did not need Microsoft's purchase of $150 million in stock. Had the purchase never happened, Apple would still be doing fine today.

      That purchase of stock was part of a settlement between Apple and Microsoft, which included ending long-running litigation, cross-licensing of patents, MS committing to continue selling Office for Mac and Apple promising to bundle IE.

      The only "fanboys" related to this story are the MS fanboys of today who fail at both math and history, and think MS was some sort of white knight.

      What saved Apple was buying NeXT. That one purchase essentially solved all of Apple's pressing problems.

    39. Re:MS hate by a-yz · · Score: 2

      It's Religion.

      Don't request reason here, there is no room when it comes to religion. Same as creationists. There is fundamentally no difference when it comes to fundamentalism of this sort.

    40. Re:MS hate by dhavleak · · Score: 2

      They share a board member, if I remember correctly.

      You remember wrong. Reed Hastings is the Netflix CEO (not board member -- big difference) -- and he serves on Microsoft's Board. In short he gets to pull Ballmer's strings, but not vice versa.

      They also did so to the ire of most users. Silverlight was initially not available on all platforms, such as linux. As a linux user myself, that meant the console I built for my TV no longer worked with Netflix. That support has been added, but is still not up to par (in my opinion) to Flash for in browser viewing. It was "pushed" because the it was NOT a user driven feature. In fact, the forums were filled with anger and hate. Whether it was DRM or not, MS pushed itself as a solution.

      Orthogonal issue + rambling. You claimed Microsoft *pushed* Netflix to use Silverlight. How?

      When they stop using it. A better term may have been to say that they stopped eating their own dog food. They don't support it in the sense of lending it credibility, not in terms of "customer support", but more in the sense of moral support. If Google employees stopped using Gmail and instead switched to Exchange, I'd consider that dropping internal support. They would no longer support Gmail as the best option, in that case.

      http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean45 In short, you'll hear about it from Microsoft when they decide to discontinue support. And when you hear about it, you'll have 1 year to act, from that point. And you'll have paid support options past that date if you choose to use it. Suggest you stop spreading disinformation.

  2. Best option by Flyerman · · Score: 2

    Sure, it's stabbing their "Developers! Developers! Developers!" in the back, but isn't it a positive that they moving to more widespread technologies?

    1. Re:Best option by Stewie241 · · Score: 2

      It isn't stabbing anybody in the back until they drop support for the platform.

      Responding to the market and building stuff that will work on the machines of your target market is called flexibility and responsiveness.

      If you can deliver a better experience with HTML5, then it makes sense to do it. Developers might look at this move and get the sense that it may (though in some cases maybe not) be wise for them to follow suit - not because Microsoft is dropping the platform, but because you can get better results in HTML5.

    2. Re:Best option by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2

      It just makes me think they're up to something nefarious with HTML5. You know, embrace, extend, etc.?

    3. Re:Best option by RCGodward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. Sometimes a better technology comes along. Let me toss you guys some top secret info... There will be another version of .NET, another version of Silverlight, and another version of WPF. Rest easy. It's not going anywhere.

    4. Re:Best option by owlstead · · Score: 2

      You call that resting easy? Because of Silverlight, I cannot see any live stream from many sites (e.g. Eurosport). Yes, I'm on Linux. No Linux is not supported, Moonlight for some reason never seems to be able to do streaming video, even though that is so far the only reason I've seen Silverlight being used *ever*. The faster it dies, the better.

  3. Objectivity by AndOne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whatever happened to posting stories that aren't filled with FUD and hate? Maybe HTML5 is more standards compliant and more widely available on other things... like say... Mobile devices... Which are probably one of the places many people would want to access the 'cloud' from. Or perhaps silverlight is too heavy for the task of being a portal UI... Whatever happened to using the right tool for the right job?

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    1. Re:Objectivity by nschubach · · Score: 2

      You are on a site who's name is modeled after a unix convention. This isn't backslashdot.org

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  4. They don't by geoffrobinson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "How can Microsoft expect independent developers to base their future on Silverlight when Microsoft itself is abandoning it like a sinking ship?"

    They don't expect people to base their future on Silverlight. Why would anyone think that at this point?

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    1. Re:They don't by 19061969 · · Score: 2

      Coming from a UX perspective, I've come across more than a handful of gigs where Silverlight experience was specified in the job description. Most of these seemed to be in finance (from what I could gather) and I still cannot for the life of me understand why they would invest resources into critical systems using this technology.

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    2. Re:They don't by geoskd · · Score: 2

      They don't expect people to base their future on Silverlight. Why would anyone think that at this point?

      Because a few years ago, MS was selling Silverlight to anyone they could convince. They told everyone Silverlight was the future, and many developers were dumb enough to believe them.

      What will be Microsoft's next Silverlight, and who will buy?

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  5. Netflix by gatzby3jr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now all we need is Netflix to abandon Silverlight...

    1. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So that I can use it on linux?

  6. Given how few PCs are connected to televisions by tepples · · Score: 2

    How many Netflix subscribers actually use the PC version? Given how few PCs are connected to TV-sized monitors, I'd guess that most Netflix streaming happens on Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, or BD players.

    1. Re:Given how few PCs are connected to televisions by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      true but how many people browse to easily exploitable webpages on their x-box. A succesful attack requires 2 things. 1. a user that can be suckered into going to where your exploit is, and 2. a hole in the system or a user dumb enough to poke one themselves (Ie opening an untrusted application etc...). Having flash on a system that never goes anywhere other then hulu.com is also a system that would almost never be compromised, that dosn't speak for the security of flash itself, just the benefit of a system the users don't feel compelled to explore uncharted territory on.

    2. Re:Given how few PCs are connected to televisions by nschubach · · Score: 2

      According to the Sony E3 conference, the PS3 was the most used Netflix streaming device (According to Netflix, 30% I believe, but more than any other device.)

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  7. Oh noes! by LordStormes · · Score: 2

    Microsoft is embracing a STANDARD that isn't tied to a closed language they invented. Oh, the horror. I know, it's terrible for coders that learned Silverlight. Once upon a time, I learned Pascal. I used it. It did stuff for me. And the industry moved on, and Pascal is useless to me now. It's not even on my resume, because it's pointless. We're sorry that the world's progress risks making the time you spent learning that language/tool obsolete. Please move on.

  8. Re:They had to drop the beast... by TelavianX · · Score: 2

    I do develop in silverlight and like it quite a bit. I think it is much easier to develop in than a web app any day. Sometimes the better technology does not always win the fight. We have to embrace was does win and go with it. Welcome back to the days of this app only works in browser X version Y.

  9. Re:Silverlight on intranets by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Sounds like doomed either way?

    Most corporations don't need Silverlight anyways even with HTML 4 and ASP.NET you were able to make apps that needs to get done on a corporate level.
    AJAX killed ActiveX, To bad those Old guys at IT in those corporations don't know that.

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  10. They didn't drop silverlight by jader3rd · · Score: 2

    Most of the blog posts that I read about this mention how SkyDrive still uses Silverlight, and the posts are torn on how good/bad this is. I've been using SkyDrive for a few years now with a browser that doesn't have Silverlight, and besides uploading through the webclient, I can't much of a difference. Just because SkyDrive starting using one tool (HTML5) doesn't mean they completly stopped using another tool (Silverlight). Sure there's overlap, but SkyDrive will most likely be using both for the foreseable future.

  11. Silverlight is still there - HTML5 is not by LarryWMSN · · Score: 2

    I've used SkyDrive infrequently but I have only ever noticed Silverlight being used for 3 things. 1) Video playback 2) Picture albums/slide show 3) File uploading It looks like they only removed it for the first 2. SilverLight still comes up for the advanced file uploading. Also can someone show me where HTML 5 is used on the site other than CSS 3 opacity (which isn't technically HTML5 but comes along for the ride in every browser that supports HTML5) and the DOCTYPE? Please don't jump all over me if you find some HTML5, it's just not really obvious that any HTML that didn't exist in HTML 4 is there from a quick look at the page source on many of the pages:) This is a nice redesign, but it doesn't seem like anyone should be using this as a HTML 5 showcase.

  12. Big companies always lose the plot eventually by dinther · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft did not realize the significance of TCP/IP when they released windows 95
    Microsoft rolled out their .net fat client platform still thinking fat clients is where it is at.
    Virtual Earth failed to compete with Google Earth
    Failed mobile phones
    Failed MP3 players

    Feel free to add to the long list.

    Siverlight is just a small blip because it did not get the uptake MS had hoped for. They do this all the time. They try to compete on all fronts and never excel anywhere. MS product path is littered with abandoned poorly executed ideas some of which might have made it if they only committed to it. I feel sorry for those software companies that put all their eggs in the MS basket because their .net codebase will in the not too distant future be obsolete too.

    It should be clear to everyone that operating systems are no longer significant. Running fat clients locally is no longer where it is at. PC's and Laptops are no longer the core device on which applications run. So the MS tax (Windows) on every PC will come to an end. MS is already far too late to change their direction with Windows and if MS doesn't get onto the web based bandwagon with MS Office quickly they will lose that profitable market as well.

    It is a pity but unavoidable that successful companies get too big and too slow to respond to changes. Although it is thanks to MS that computing has become so accessible to the masses. They failed to pay attention over the last decade and foolishly thought they could direct their market. Developers trusting anything that MS put out over the last 5 years will wish they had not, no matter the promised potential.

    Google was the new kid on the block with some amazing innovation but look closely at Google today and you can see the same warning signals. It is only a matter of time before the next company will take over from them.

    1. Re:Big companies always lose the plot eventually by dinther · · Score: 2

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_95

      "Windows 95 originally shipped without Internet Explorer, and the default network installation did not install TCP/IP, the network protocol used on the Internet."
      I recall there was a third-party app that made access to the internet easier and many ISP's would ship that on their promotional Diskette.

      You got a point though, MS might do better on the server front. Yet, various multimillion dollar projects that I consult for have steered away from MS server technology such as Sharepoint.

      Currently I am converting a rather old web application based on the ISAPI which acts as a plugin to IIS that obviously depends on IIS to run. My client has come to rely on this application heavily over the years and increasingly feels his business is exposed to risk and MS technology is dropped so easily. The new tools for this app will be based on open source mainstream products with a wide support base and a proven track record.

  13. Re:slightly off topic... by White+Flame · · Score: 2, Funny

    I vote for a flying chair icon.